Hello,
Welcome to another What Is Now?
Experience.
I'm Charles Freely,
And I'm here with my good friend Sakib Rizvi.
If we had to be categorized,
We're both investigators of consciousness,
With training backgrounds and professional experience in the world of psychological and spiritual healing.
Each of these sessions is an adventure of the present moment.
Sakib and I begin each session by sitting in silence for one minute,
And then simply see what arises now.
We have no plan,
No prepared material or concepts to cover,
But are placing our trust in the wisdom of this right now experience.
This is an expression of our shared philosophy of healing.
If we can only let go of our desire for the present moment to be a certain way,
Other than it is,
Then we can find the unexpected answers of what is actually now.
So if you will join us,
We will begin with one minute of silence,
And you can use this minute in whatever way you like,
With your eyes closed,
Sitting,
Eyes open,
Standing,
Or walking or driving in your car.
We only ask that you return to what is actually happening right now in this moment,
To reset the momentum of the day,
And open up to just this.
After this minute,
Sakib and I will explore whatever arises between us.
We identify themes of our exploration as we go,
And then Sakib finishes with a short guided meditation based on the themes that arise in the session.
And now let's enter one minute of silence together as we explore what is now really.
You'll hear a bell to start and end this one minute of your day.
I was hit by a particular thought at the end.
See if I can articulate it about like the maybe sitting still and opening to silence for one minute can be challenging in any context,
But I was just thinking of the added element of pressure here that we're moving into talking with each other and hopefully it's interesting and that there's someone listening and I was noticing the rush of automatically thinking and wondering about,
Oh,
I might say this thing,
Might say this thing,
Might say this thing,
Might say this thing,
And how maybe that's amplified in this particular context because we have this perceived audience member who doesn't exist right now,
But we can maybe feel,
Well,
I guess they do exist right now in a way,
Whoever might be listening in this moment,
But I can feel their presence and their eyes and their ears in some way.
And there's like the pressure that is leading me to have this rush of,
You know,
I'm in the moment paying attention to my experience and that I have an experience.
So I'm like,
Oh,
That could be something to share.
That could be something to share.
It's so ironic that I was,
The similar thoughts were arising inside me.
And initially I was just sitting and as soon as you know,
The bell went off,
I felt that I am coming into the present moment.
There was no thought as such,
But then suddenly a thought arise that we have to speak about something here,
You know?
I have to think about something.
I can't just be in the moment now.
And then,
But then,
You know,
There was this questioning,
Okay,
If I am supposed to be in this moment now,
Why I have this urge to think about something just because we have to discuss something,
You know,
In this podcast together.
And then I was in,
In,
In that dilemma,
You know,
Whether I just be in the moment just not have thoughts or maybe just be an observer and observe my thoughts that what is it that I can talk about it?
Yeah.
So it feels like we're still,
Or just continually sort of wrestling with this,
With the pressure of really opening vulnerably to the now experience in this way.
It's making me think that it's a,
It's a really valuable practice for you and me.
Because like we were talking about before we recorded today,
How,
You know,
We might desire a really quiet location to meditate or to record a guided meditation or anything like that.
But that maybe it's,
It's really valuable to meditate or be recording and then you're interrupted by someone else in your environment and to notice your reaction to that.
And then to open back up to your experience and to just continually do that,
That actually provides a powerful exercise.
So it's feeling to me here,
Like that,
That minute of time is really valuable in a way that maybe no other minute could be,
Because otherwise in any meditation practice,
I'm not considering at all who's going to be paying attention to me right after I'm done.
Right.
Right.
No,
It,
It's absolutely,
Absolutely relates to what we were speaking about,
You know,
That the silence,
The space that we want to have is that something that we,
That is necessary,
Or maybe we need to learn that how we can be with others and still maintain that peace of mind,
That space for ourselves.
And it also made me think of this question that someone was listening to the podcast might have in their mind that this moment,
This two,
These two minutes that we have,
What is now in which we just be in the moment,
Do we really just not think about something or do we actually think about something?
Because it can have these two kinds of experiences,
Maybe for these two minutes,
We,
When we are sitting in these two minutes,
We are just being in the moment.
There is no thought arising as such in our mind,
But how do we carry on with the conversation then?
Do we talk about something?
Don't do we not talk about something?
Do we continue to be in that silencing and not having any thought as such,
Or,
You know,
In that or in those two minutes,
Are we supposed to think about something and discuss it with each other?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wondering what the listener might be wondering about our experience within that time.
And I noticed that,
That you said two minutes,
And so maybe we can pull back the curtain slightly because we have the listener sit for one minute.
And we have recently started expanding that for two minutes for ourselves.
And so maybe,
And it's an interesting question of what would be comfortable for the listener,
Because even one minute of just sitting in silence in a podcast where you're expecting some sort of engagement that might feel like a long time.
Whereas for you and me,
We're just kind of open to,
We would probably sit for 20 minutes and we might even do that someday prior to one of these.
I think that could even be a cool experiment to try.
But just because I'm just,
I'm wondering if the listener might hear two minutes and be like,
Wait a second,
One minute.
Right.
And just to just to share with them,
That's something that you and I have been doing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What do you think?
What is if I ask you that?
What will happen if we don't get a thought in that one minute?
Is there something to discuss then or is there like nothing to discuss and just continue that silence?
Yeah.
What would that be like if we just emerged and then we're continually sitting there and just feeling.
Maybe another thought that can arise in that time is I don't want to talk about anything.
I just want to be,
Continue this one minute and that to 10 minutes maybe.
And you might be beset by the conflicting voices of,
Oh,
Here's something,
But don't force anything.
Well,
Here's something don't force anything.
It just like going back and forth.
It makes me think of like the anxiety that can happen in any social interaction where you might have that fear of,
Well,
Maybe I should fill the silence with something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And this brings me to the very question of our podcast,
What is now?
Maybe there is nothing in the now.
How about that?
Maybe there is just silence.
And as you said,
We usually want to fill that silence when we are having a conversation with someone,
It becomes awkward for many people to not speak in that time.
And we always have this idea to speak and fill those gaps.
But what if there is nothing coming up in a conversation?
We too are having this discussion.
What if we just want to be silent?
How can we explore that?
Maybe today,
Maybe in some other session,
We can explore that as well,
That what are those moments in our conversation?
Maybe when we just don't want to speak,
Maybe when we just want to be and experience this moment in between our conversation,
Rather than carrying on with the podcast and talking about things like,
Throughout those 15 minutes or whatever time we give to this episode.
What do you think about that?
I guess I'm acting it out right now.
I was just noticing my dog taking part in our meeting.
I don't know if you could hear her barking.
I kind of wish you could,
Because she's participating in a very authentic way,
It seems to me,
In maybe the most authentic form of speaking,
Which is just barking.
It's reminding me of,
I don't know if I've told you this before,
But recently I was in a meditation and I journal after my meditation.
It could be a lot or it could be a little,
It could be a thought that I had or drawing or whatever it might be.
I just like to express something after that period is done in the morning.
I noticed while I was in meditation that I burped.
If it was this very natural expression,
My body reached a very organic posture,
Just found its most appropriate nonresistant position.
In that space of nonresistance,
It's like the gas made its way circuitously through my body and then naturally manifested as a burp with no resistance on my end,
Just came out.
I had the experience in that moment and then I captured it afterwards in words that maybe a burp is,
And as weird as this could sound,
Maybe a burp is one of the most pure expressions of truth that we can do verbally because I didn't make it happen.
I quote unquote was a vessel for this thing to make its way to the surface and then it created sound waves that I could hear and that someone else could hear.
It felt like so unadulterated,
Such a real expression in the moment.
No,
I think what usually happens is,
I'm glad you mentioned this because I can now see that how there are a lot of things happening in the body which might be,
Which we might be ignoring because of the conversation that we are having.
Someone who is in a setting where they are having a podcast,
They are having a conversation which other people are listening to as well.
There is this idea to keep talking and not experience what is now in the moment.
What is being experienced there may be,
There is a certain feeling that is arising in your body and we are ignoring that because we have to be in that conversation.
As you said about the burp coming out,
Which was your true expression because it was just there.
It was yearning to come out.
And I just had to leave space for it.
Yeah.
Then it also brings me to the question of the way we have conversations and I think we were discussing this in one of our previous episodes as well that this whole idea of talking to each other rather than experiencing each other,
Which is more powerful.
I'm just wondering,
Is it that if we just be set in the moment and experience what is happening,
Maybe I,
Rather than listening to your words,
I feel your energy.
I feel what is going on.
I feel what is going on in my body.
I feel what is going on.
I feel your vibe,
Your energy.
Maybe I observe you in that sense.
Maybe other than maybe you are saying something,
But you are feeling something.
So for example,
Something happened,
I'm just saying this as an example,
That something happened yesterday with you,
Which is going on in your mind.
And you might be feeling a certain emotion in your body,
But that is not coming out in our conversation because you just want,
We are just talking about something else here,
Related to meditation,
Spirituality.
And now what is happening here is I'm totally focused on your words.
I'm just trying to see what are you saying here,
But I'm not able to have the feeling of what you might be feeling in this moment.
What thoughts might be there in your mind?
What is the energy that is there in your body right now?
What if we mute ourselves in conversations and just experience each other,
Sitting with each other.
And we get to learn so many things out of that.
I would imagine that there's a way that like,
If something had happened yesterday that was weighing on me in some way,
That it is still being communicated,
Even if the thing that I'm talking about conceptually has nothing to do with that experience.
I would imagine that it's still very alive and that you are receiving that in some way.
I mean,
You could think about it in the reverse way in the future,
Like something that is on my mind that might be happening later.
Like I have a client later today,
Not that much longer after we're done.
So maybe in some way I'm feeling that and it is impacting my openness and my interaction with you right now,
Probably in a way that you are receiving and maybe impacts the energy that you're receiving from me.
But I wonder if without having that context of me sharing it with you,
Now I'm interested in how all of these things that are creating my quote unquote energy are impacting your experience of my energy and all the things you may or may not be aware of in my experience,
How it's only being sent to you through this channel of like what we're talking about,
But at the same time you're receiving it all together.
And so it's like maybe you might be feeling,
Oh,
This is interesting to me and see if it makes sense to you that you might be feeling.
So if we could dichotomize energy into like good and negative or energy that pulls you toward and engages you or energy that pushes you away and is aversive,
I could imagine you feeling maybe some aversive or negative or bad energy in this interaction that we're having,
But then you might be confused about it.
Like where is this coming from?
This might just be me.
Am I not paying attention enough?
Am I confused?
Am I lost?
But maybe in reality,
What you're picking up on is something in my experience that is not related to what we're talking about,
But it's still very alive in me and is being sent to you.
And maybe your openness to all of me,
Like attunes you to that thing that you're experiencing.
What do you think about all of that?
I just threw a lot out there.
No,
I think it's wonderful.
I am totally focused on what you are saying and not what you might be feeling or in your body.
I have seen certain people who are able to see beyond and look beyond the words that are spoken.
So for example,
If I'm talking about something,
But maybe I'm feeling something else,
Certain people have this capability of knowing,
Okay,
You have,
You are feeling something else right now,
Your words are,
And your feelings are not emerging.
So tell me what you're feeling.
Just let me experience what you're feeling.
This reminds me of one of the things that I read in a book called the dark side of light chasers,
And it is by Debbie Ford.
And I'm not sure if I've shared this before with you.
She was doing this exercise.
She told that she was doing this exercise with people to tell them about their body language to work on their body language.
So there was this one facilitator,
I think it was a yoga or healing facilitator.
And she recorded her video and she just muted what she was saying.
And then she was observing her body language and she realized that her body language was very sexual.
Although she was doing a workshop,
Which was regarding healing and yoga,
But the message that she was sending across was all about sex.
And later on,
She confessed that there were certain men in that workshop that she wanted to attract in that sense.
And she was,
She was indeed sending out those signals with her body language.
So it just came to my mind,
What if I mute whatever you are saying,
And just observe me in that sense,
Saying that what is the message that you are sending out there?
Yeah.
And,
You know,
Would you be,
Would you be interested in,
Cause I could easily do that here,
Or you could do it on your side.
Like I could take my,
My headphones out and then you talk for a moment and then me just try to take in your experience or we could do it on the flip side.
Would you want to try it right now in the moment?
Yeah,
Sure.
Absolutely.
Which way do you want to do it?
Whatever,
Whatever suits you.
I think I can also encourage the listeners,
You know,
To do this exercise with us.
Maybe they will,
They are not able to see us if it is an audio podcast for them,
But maybe they can just play a video of someone talking,
Mute what they are saying and just observe,
You know,
Their body language,
What they are communicating through their body,
Through their expressions rather than through their words.
Yeah.
They could try it in like a zoom call because people are doing zoom calls all the time.
If you're,
If you're comfortable enough with this other person,
Or even if you're in,
It could be an interesting thing in a boring meeting where you just mute it for 10 seconds and see what it is that you're receiving from this person outside of just the words that they're saying.
Yeah.
I think it's a wonderful exercise,
But I'm just wondering what,
What will we talk about in that time when we are just muting the conversation?
Sure.
Well,
Do you,
Do you want to mute me and I can just talk?
Yeah,
Sure.
Okay.
I'll just observe.
So let's see what I'm able to observe here.
I think this is another kind of what is now practice that we are doing here,
You know,
Just observing the other person.
Yeah.
So tell me,
Maybe give me a,
Like a countdown to whenever you do it and how long do you think you should,
We should do it for?
I think just 30 seconds would be enough.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well,
It's certainly enough.
Or let me just,
Let's,
Let's go for 30 seconds.
See what it's like.
Okay.
Yeah.
Me and the listener will,
We'll talk with each other.
Great.
Let's do that.
So I'm just muting your voice.
How do I do that?
Or do you mute your voice?
Yeah.
You could just do it on controlling the audio on your computer.
Yes,
I can do that.
Great.
So the 30 seconds begin now.
Can you hear me?
No.
Okay.
So this is an interesting experience that we're in.
And I could just maybe share with you the listener,
What I'm observing about Sakib right now.
He's still,
And he seems calm and he seems very observant about my experience and which could be maybe a,
Like an intimidating or intense thing to feel like his eyes are on me as I'm just talking.
But there's a way that I actually feel really relaxed and kind of seen in a gentle,
Open and accepting way,
Which is a really nice part of this experience that I have with Sakib.
I was noticing that today,
How much,
How increasingly comfortable I feel with him and what a nice presence that he has.
Okay.
I think I just didn't notice the time,
But I was just observing you speaking.
So very interesting exercise.
And okay,
So my observation of what you were saying is that you were very much present in this moment versus when I would,
I was just remembering someone else who was doing this.
And I think I did this exercise of muting someone else's conversation.
I think they were more into their awareness was more scattered in that sense when speaking,
But I felt that you were more present in the moment here,
Very present in our conversation.
Because I sensed a certain level of excitement,
A passion and energy of talking about what you were saying.
Then again,
I think I was relating to that other conversation wherein the body language was different in that sense that I think they were not maybe very much interested of what they were talking about.
There was the way you were leaning towards the camera,
The other person was in the opposite direction,
Even leaning back.
And that,
I think maybe that might be a judgment here,
But I could sense more passionate energy here in what you were talking about.
What an interesting experience.
I was,
I felt pulled to share with you what I was talking about.
But then I wondered if maybe it might be cool for you to also try in the reverse direction me to pay attention to you and you have 30 seconds with just you and the listener and I observe you.
And then maybe we could share,
I can share about my experience of it and then we could talk about maybe what we talked about.
What do you think?
Sure.
Sure.
Yeah.
Okay.
Sounds good.
I'll just give you a countdown here and then I'll mute my computer and you can maybe ask me if I can hear you just to make sure.
Okay.
So three,
Two,
One,
Go.
Can you hear me?
Okay.
So I believe that manifestation occurs from a higher level because if we are manifesting just using the law of attraction,
Which is just the basic visualization,
Basic affirmations,
Thoughts,
Positive thinking,
Then we might not be practicing manifestation from a deeper level because we really want to connect to our soul so that the manifestation that we do is from a deep desire is from something which is at a higher level of consciousness,
Which is not something just an egocentric level of manifestation in which we have a very limited thinking,
Very limited capacity of knowing what we want in our life rather than connecting to those higher states,
Deeper levels of consciousness.
I unmuted you.
Okay.
What was the relationship?
What a fun thing.
I was just thinking this feels to me like a cool sort of new elements of,
Which is,
It's not different,
But maybe an extension of kind of fun little games and experiments to engage with,
Really engage with in the moment that we can do.
And something really kind of maybe special about this one is the listener was just in on something that you and I alternatively were not in on.
And like,
You know,
They're sort of in on a secret in a way that neither of us is aware of right now until we will be in the near future.
I think it's kind of a cool thing.
Yeah,
It's really cool.
Yeah.
So what was your observation?
Well,
And it attaches to what I was talking about and maybe that influenced my way that I was perceiving you.
But it felt just kind of nice to me to take in your energy with,
I was noticing how it felt nice to have no pressure on me actually in that moment to provide anything and I'm just sort of in this space of taking in you.
And I was appreciating something that maybe I,
That I am always appreciative of,
But in that more passive stance,
I can really kind of articulate it in my mind.
Understanding something about you,
Which is just like very kind of rock solid and still calm and in a subdued way,
But also like subdued and very intensely present it feels.
So I was like,
I was feeling that from you.
And I also felt like we were still engaged.
I still felt like we were very much interacting and that you were seeing me and being with me.
I didn't really feel left out in that time.
It was more just like a nice time to sort of take in your presence without me having to get in the way of that.
So yeah.
Yeah,
That's wonderful.
I really like that.
And you know,
The point that you mentioned about just being in the energy rather than sharing anything or thinking about it or what's happening.
So what were you really talking about?
What was I exactly talking about?
The listener might remember better than I do right now,
But it was,
I think it was,
I was mostly just talking about my experience of you.
And because I sort of had you as my object of awareness in that moment,
And I kind of shared with the listener something that I've been increasingly aware of in our meetings together,
Which is how I felt comfortable with you from the very beginning.
But you know,
Increasingly,
You know,
We logged on today and it's just kind of like a relaxing,
This is a nice time to be with you feeling and I was just kind of sharing about your presence and maybe the way I think I was saying something about how I feel you're very accepting and open.
And it's just a nice thing to like,
Remind myself of that.
It's something like that.
I was just kind of,
I was basically talking you up to the listener,
I think.
Great.
Thank you so much.
I started,
You know,
Thinking about so I was just thinking about manifestation,
Just before our session,
Just before this podcast.
And this that part came to my mind and I started talking about various levels of manifestation.
So what was,
Did you have a sense of what I might be talking about?
I had,
No,
I didn't.
Yeah,
I think it was just about the energy.
I think it's a wonderful practice for active listening.
I'm just getting this thought in my mind right now that what if before having an actual conversation,
We somehow mute the conversation of what the other person is saying and just observe them in the present moment,
Observe,
Or maybe just they are not speaking,
Just have a practice of being in presence of each other.
For example,
If we are starting with a conversation and let's say there is something that you have to tell me and I need to practice active listening in this moment.
So maybe just in initially just staying quiet and I observing you for some time,
What that will help is to get your energy to feel what you are feeling first rather than,
You know,
Just telling me because when the conversation starts,
Then we just focus on the words rather than what the other person might be feeling in this moment.
It reminds me of what I think you shared before in a previous session about,
I think we were talking about experiences of anger and conflict and the strategy of sort of stopping in the midst of that and really letting go of all of whatever you have and really just attending to the other person almost like I imagine some sort of force field where I guess in my mind they're encased in the force field and they're still kind of like saying things,
But you're just really trying to become aware of their presence and what they're really saying and what they're really feeling and you can let go of the pressure of protecting yourself or defending yourself for a moment and just kind of release that and use all of your energy to just attend to them.
Yeah,
Because a lot of times the other person in that heated argument might be saying a lot of harsh words,
But among those harsh words there is hurt they might be feeling in that moment and we are not aware of that hurt,
But we are aware of the harsh words that they're saying so yeah,
Totally a flex to that.
I was thinking it might be about a good time to shift into just sort of a practice based on this,
But one thing I was wondering was what is it like and maybe this is a topic to bring up at some other time in more detail,
But I was wondering what it's like for you to receive a compliment because I think when describing my experience of the time where I was talking and you're listening sort of all about like,
You know,
How nice it is to be with Sakib and which can be an uncomfortable thing to respond to or to take in sometimes and maybe especially in and I might be just kind of projecting because I feel that way sometimes in this world that we're in like how much of that is is quote unquote ego and how much of that is something to just kind of like let it pass through and how much of that is something to feel and enjoy and like celebrate in a way.
I was just wondering what maybe that was like for you in that moment.
No,
That's a that's a wonderful question because this is something that I still have to wrap my head around.
So I have conflicting thoughts,
Conflicting ideas on one hand it is it feels good to to you know receive a compliment.
However then there is this confusion.
Okay,
If I'm feeling good is there an element of ego that is arising here,
You know,
Or then there is another thought that and I listened to this maybe it was you know in Buddhist teachings or where it was wherein someone said that compliments and you know criticism both should not affect you in any way.
If you're you're they if you maintain an emotional neutrality in that sense,
Then you will be able to be able to be observe what the other person is saying what that actually means does it is it actually true or is it that because usually what happens is sometimes we will not we are not receiving enough for criticism,
But we are very receiving for compliments.
So it made me also think about this idea of whether compliments are also something which have to be dealt with emotional neutrality.
So there's a lot of confusion around that,
You know in terms of but what I what I realize is that yes,
Emotional neutrality is good,
But being a good receiver also is something which is an art.
This is something I'm looking forward to work on.
Yeah,
You talking was just making me think of being able to appreciate and experience a compliment that someone's giving you and take it in and make them know that you've taken it in and then maybe also at the same time allow it to pass through you and not be attached to it or need more of it or have it be like,
Oh,
Yes,
That's the thing that I needed but just be something that happens in that moment and I was like,
Well,
Thank you for that and and then but it doesn't stay with you.
How do you like what is your usual response in that when there's a compliment?
It's a good question because I think I squirm a little bit when when I receive compliments and there's probably some elements of like my own inner criticism and inner like part of what I guess maybe drives me or has I think drives me less increasingly over time but maybe has driven me in the past is to improve myself in some way or to get better or better looking or better whatever it might be and I know I used to resist compliments significantly but I think much less now I think maybe I'm more at least moving into this realm of really expressing appreciation for the other person sharing this thing and then at the same time not being attached to that because you also can't ever know the reality of the compliment because this could be something that the person feels compelled to do based on the situation or it could be something really genuine or it could be whatever but I know that for myself I've come to be very compelled to share any compliment with someone else if it feels genuine like if I have a positive experience of someone like you I feel so inclined to make sure at least that I say something about it or I express it to you that feels like a healthy gesture of me just to make sure that these people know even if it's the most simple thing something about them has positively impacted me and I'm drawn to them.
I think it's a wonderful observation that you made today and in fact I believe that this is something that can be an entire topic for an entire episode but this is something which really I still have to wrap my head around and you know as you said resistance I just noticed some resistance in me as well from compliments and yeah I would love to explore that sounds good oh it seems like anything that we talk about there's a whole potential world to dive into and there's probably hundreds of them within one of these episodes and then one of them takes hold of us and then we dive into it yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah looking forward to uh deconstruct all what we talk about what comes in the now and create entire concepts episodes on those small small things that we discuss because it's always those small things that you know turn out to be really significant well cool do you want to shift into a practice yeah let's shift into a practice let's see what what meditation comes up for us today sounds good great so the listeners we are about to end this session with a short meditation and you can get into your comfortable posture and you can close your eyes if you want and then maybe you can bring your awareness to your body relaxing your body relaxing each and every part of your body starting with the head bring your awareness to your head and then relax your head relax your neck your shoulders relax your arms and your hands relax your back your pelvis your chest your abdomen relax your thighs your knees and then relax your calves and your feet I know your body has come to the present moment being here and now there is nothing else to do nowhere to go giving yourself the freedom to enjoy this moment totally all burden all responsibilities are taken away from your body and your body is coming lighter and lighter coming more and more into this present moment and now in your mind's eye imagine and visualize that you are sitting with a person who is close to you your loved one maybe and you can visualize this person sitting in front of you right now and now instead of having a conversation with this person allow yourself to experience silence with this person maybe you just want to feel the energy of this person maybe you just want to observe this person just sit in silence with this person and notice what's happening so And now you can bring your awareness back to your own body,
To this room that you are sitting in your surroundings.
You can move your hands,
Your feet,
And in your own time you can gradually come out of the meditation.
Thanks for that.
My pleasure.
Was there something new that you observed today about this person?
You know,
It was interesting for me.
It shifted between,
It was like the person was transforming my body,
And I want to re-en Bargain to me pretty much,
Which was getting here on various occasions for people.
Very greetable to know what to do or do forair.
Of vulnerable,
Raw in that moment.
And no matter maybe what negative interactions I might have for them or expectations I might have about what they say in that silence,
They're just a pure child in a way.
And I was feeling a lot of just kind of love for them.
Yeah,
This makes me think of that how,
You know,
We might feel that connection with a lot of people,
But maybe words are destroying those connections.
You know,
Yeah,
I think this is something which I will contemplate on today.
Episode today is something which is really interesting.
Yeah,
Like the double edged sword of words,
How powerful they are to connect us and maybe how powerful they are to disconnect us and keep us apart.
Well,
This has been awesome.
Yeah,
It was a wonderful experience.
Thank you so much.
Yeah,
I'll see you soon.
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