The Great Covid Debate

In this episode. I sit and chat with Steve Martile about whether to get vaccinated or not. Full disclosure; I'm vaccinated and he's against it. We had no idea this conversation would happen. It organically came up. What I appreciate the most is that it stayed respectful even though sometimes it got a little heated. We are so divided rn. It's important to reach accross the table and listen to each other. Please join us.

Transcript

Hey everyone,

Thanks for joining us for another episode of the SoulFed podcast.

Don't forget to check us out at soulfed.

Com.

On today's episode,

I talk with Steve Martili.

Steve and I have an interesting relationship that dates back about a year and a half where I reached out to him to do a podcast,

And ever since then,

We've sort of connected back and forth and we've done a couple of podcasts together.

This time,

We were supposed to do a podcast about something completely different that I don't even remember what it was anymore.

But what it ended up being was a conversation about COVID.

Now full disclosure,

Steve and I are on opposite ends of this.

I'm vaccinated,

He doesn't believe in getting the vaccine.

And we had a respectful debate about what that is.

So in this day and age,

With all the controversy that's going on with Joe Rogan,

With all the misinformation that's out there,

With people at each other's throats,

It was refreshing to be able to sit down with somebody and actually listen to each side of the conversation.

So without further ado,

I give you the great COVID debate.

Just to let you know,

I'm just gonna start recording now.

It seems like it was a century ago that we talked because what I'm aware of now,

What I was aware of then has completely changed.

And because of that,

It's opened up a whole new world for me.

I'll go into this conversation,

Baby steps.

So my understanding is that,

And you're seeing it a lot,

Especially with hospitals and healthcare right now,

And you're not just seeing it in the US,

I'm in Florida right now,

By the way.

My wife and I have been here since June.

Oh,

You guys moved to Florida?

Kind of,

Yeah.

Just to get out of the.

.

.

Yeah,

Like Canada's crazy,

Right?

It's kind of like New York state,

I guess,

Or New York City.

There's restrictions.

We're not getting vaccinated,

We're not doing that.

I just realized,

I'm trying not to use certain words that might get you banned or restricted from certain platforms,

But I'll just say the jab.

So we're not doing that.

And because of that.

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.

You get their food videos on the run.

Yeah,

We kind of lost a lot of options.

So we knew it was coming,

So we left in June.

Actually last November,

We were basically watching different premiers.

We were watching in Canada,

We were watching different governors and we freaking.

.

.

Ron DeSantis has been consistent the whole time,

So it's been a year now,

But we started watching them.

And then last Christmas,

We were like,

You know what?

If we have to get the hell out of here,

I think we're going to go to Florida.

So we decided to go.

So we left in June,

We came here,

We had to take a.

.

.

We basically couldn't drive across the border.

We had to go hire a company,

It was like 2000 bucks.

And what they do is,

We drove our SUV to the border,

We had someone drive all of our crap across the border to the Buffalo airport.

My dog's right here,

Tiny little 20 pounder.

Chloe,

My wife and I,

The three of us got in a helicopter,

Flew 20 minutes over the Buffalo airport.

They drove our SUV over,

We got in there and we drove whatever it was,

1200 miles to here.

And I think we're going to Idaho in January,

But what we had to do is we had to apply for a travel visa extension and you can get up to six months.

It hasn't been approved yet,

But if it gets approved,

Then we can get up to May or June or next year.

We're going to stay till May and then we're going to go back to Canada.

So through that process,

We realized that.

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I'm going to pull up my whiteboard because.

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Let's see if this is relevant.

So through this process,

We've realized that I'm putting people in categories because I don't know the numbers,

But I'm guessing about 20% of what I'm saying are full-time.

I'm fully asleep.

60% of people are like,

Something's not right,

But they don't know what's going on yet.

And then 20% are fully awake.

They know that there's this massive cabal and a bunch of other crazy things happening where the US government,

Canadian government,

All governments are corruptly being controlled.

And it's funny if you follow the money,

It comes very clear,

Very quickly what's happening and which companies are doing this.

And it's so obvious.

Like I was just more and more,

I followed the money.

Just look up stocks,

Shares of companies,

Who are the main holders of the companies which control the company.

And it's like,

It's always these two companies.

It's the same two companies.

What companies?

BlackRock and the Vanguard Group.

And like these companies are massive and you have to really dig for some of this stuff.

For example,

If you want to see who's controlling Fox News or you want to see who's controlling some of the bigger media companies,

CNBC or whatever,

You have to go through layer through layer.

You go through seven companies and you find out who the parent company is that has the major control.

And then you're like,

Oh,

It's those two companies again.

So they control the whole narrative,

This mainstream narrative.

They control the whole thing.

So anyways,

We have a bunch of freedom fighters or truth seekers that are people that just started since the beginning of this quote unquote.

So let me ask you this question.

Sorry to interrupt you,

But this question popped into my head.

So what is their agenda?

Like what are they trying to do?

Oh my goodness.

You're not going to like it.

And whoever's watching this probably won't believe me.

But whenever the timeline is for this,

One,

Two years,

Five years,

I think it's going to,

In the next year,

You're going to see a mat while you're already seeing a massive revolution.

The agenda is okay,

So I'm speculating on agenda,

But I definitely know it's about control and power because they don't want you to have too much money and too much freedom.

Because if you do,

Then they don't get their money.

Okay.

So one of it's money,

But it's really about control.

So how are they restricting that?

You said that they don't want us to have too much money or too much freedom.

So how are they restricting that?

Or how are you projecting that they're going to restrict that in a year?

Okay,

So they've already started doing it.

They've been doing it for years.

So they started by doing the lockdowns,

Right?

And they're socially disconnecting people.

And what that does is psychologically creates an anxiety that people get because you're socially disconnected.

And then what they did is they being,

We'll just call them the cabal.

We'll put them in there under the umbrella of that.

I don't want to go through the whole hierarchy.

Part of it,

I don't really understand,

But a lot of these players are actually not even in media at all.

Most people don't even know who they are.

So these two big companies,

Their big agenda is they want to first,

They created a problem,

Which is there's a pandemic.

But I remember when I first started looking at the statistics,

I'm a mechanical engineer by trade.

Look at the numbers right away.

I was like,

Oh,

If you get pneumonia,

Like the regular pneumonia,

You're 10 times more likely to die than if you get COVID.

And the numbers are even more skewed now.

So it's like,

Whatever,

20 times more likely to die from pneumonia,

Which means the cases of death from getting killed from COVID.

You just got to look at the numbers,

Do your research.

It's right there.

And so I was like- But let me ask you this.

How do you explain things like when we first got into the pandemic,

Like Italy and like Greece- The high death rate- Like villages were like,

I mean,

People were dying on the street of COVID.

You know,

Like they didn't have enough rooms in the cemeteries.

Was that all a lie?

Was that something that- No,

No,

That's not a lie.

So then how do you explain that?

I mean,

Do you think that COVID is really that much of a farce?

It's not that it's a farce.

It's that it's a real disease.

But you don't think it's as deadly as they say that it is.

And that's not just me saying that.

That's just based on the numbers.

Do your research.

Like you are- Okay,

There's more of a chance- Let's look at you statistics.

There is more of a chance of you dying from being in a car accident,

Okay,

In the next year,

Based on the statistics,

You can go back.

I don't know how far back you can go back,

But I just looked up the last five years.

You can get killed in a car accident.

You're way more likely to get significantly way more likely to get killed in a car accident than die from COVID.

But people still drive.

You know what?

I honestly,

I have not looked at the numbers.

And when I hear do your research,

It's always such a funny thing to me because I'm always like,

No,

No,

No,

You're coming at me with these facts.

You give me the research.

I have it all posted on my blog.

But what I do- I did this all a year ago,

Right?

So I can pull it all up for you.

I didn't even know that's what we're going to be talking about today.

But I can- No,

Neither did I.

We just kind of started on this thing and whatever.

And it's cool because we're both on opposite sides of this.

And I would love to have like a normal neutral conversation about it.

Perfect.

Instead of the blow up that seems to be going around,

Because I think it's really good to get both sides of this.

So I just want you to know that when I ask you questions,

It's not facetiously,

It's not in a bad way.

It's me really curious and asking you these things.

And I'm going to say one more thing before you talk.

You were saying before that you're more likely to get in a car accident.

And I will say this on a personal level.

I don't know the research that you've done.

But for me personally,

I know three people who have died of COVID.

And I don't know anyone who's died in a car accident.

And I'm 45 years old.

So that's just me personally.

So I don't know what this research is of like,

You're more likely to die in a car accident,

Because I know in my personal life,

That's not what I've seen.

And when I've looked on the screen,

Like when COVID first started with Italy,

I mean,

People got slaughtered in Italy.

I mean,

I had a friend who was living there.

He said that they were just carrying bodies off the street.

So I don't so how do you balance those two?

How do you there's going to be a lot more deaths,

By the way,

Like 10 times,

Maybe even 100 times?

I mean,

It's already happening.

It's just the mainstream media.

Again,

The mainstream narrative,

These two,

Because they're not covering it.

All you got to do is take out an uncensored channel.

Telegram,

Bid shoot.

The other one is clubhouse.

Any of those three,

Totally uncensored.

You just talk to people,

Different countries around the world.

And you'll get anecdotes of people dying.

And especially the ones that have been were excelled,

Vaccinated at an accelerated rate.

So the US,

Israel,

UK,

US,

US,

Israel is actually at the beginning.

So if you want to really see where everything's going,

Israel's place to start.

So because people got vaccinated,

They were dying faster COVID.

Is that what you're saying?

Yeah.

And there's a there's a great interview with a doctor that explains the rationale for it.

He's actually an mRNA.

I don't I want to say he's a specialist in mRNA.

But he worked with Bill Gates on different,

You know,

Vaccines over the years.

And he's been he's been on several talk shows.

A really good one that he did is with trying to when my wife watches it all the time,

It's hilarious.

It's hilarious because the guy's so aggressive.

What's that?

Dr.

Phil?

Dr.

Phil?

No,

Not mainstream.

No,

You won't see that on mainstream.

Dr.

Phil is going to be he's being he's being bought out by these guys.

So you're not going to see it on there,

Unfortunately.

But there's going to be a lot more deaths because of in short,

The way I understand it,

Again,

I'm not a doctor,

But the way I understand it is that there is the story when I keep saying there is going to be there already are right now,

Except if you go to the main websites that,

You know,

Basically monitor these statistics,

They're not monitoring them.

Why wouldn't you monitor the statistics on the number of people dying from taking the vaccine?

I don't know because it goes against your agenda,

Right?

What percentage of people are dying from getting the vaccine?

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

So these are all important facts.

And for me personally,

When I when when I have these conversations with people,

I think the most upsetting thing for me is because I always hear this whole you're a sheep,

Mainstream media kind of thing,

You know,

Blah,

Blah,

Blah.

But when Trump got COVID,

And he was surrounded by those supposed quote unquote,

Doctors,

When they actually did the research around these doctors,

Like one was like a witch doctor in Texas,

Like none of these doctors were really dogs.

Oh,

Yeah.

Right.

My wife just came home and she was asking to go up to see her.

Sorry,

Go ahead.

Keep going.

That's okay.

No worry.

Um,

You know,

I think that like,

I don't know,

I think that getting the facts right and having those facts and saying,

Okay,

This is the percentage of people or when somebody says,

Hey,

What's the research on it?

And like you here will do the research.

And it's like,

No,

No,

No,

This is your argument.

You got to give me the research.

That's how arguments work.

That's how the debate works.

So if I'm giving you information,

I've got to give you the research on that,

Right?

So it's like,

So that's kind of like,

Sort of the fair thing for me.

And that's why I guess,

And I'm asking you to convince me now,

I guess I have such a hard time with the anti vax movement,

Because every time I ask hard questions,

I don't get solid answers.

So,

Yeah,

We got to interview good experts that actually have,

Like,

There's a lot of good interviews out there.

If you're looking for the kind of information that you're asking me.

So the stuff that's available in terms of number of accident car accidents versus code desk,

I mean,

Those are easy to find,

Like 10 minutes on Google,

And you can find that.

And you'll get different,

You know,

Sources that are telling you the same thing on the data.

So that's good.

How do you know that the data is right?

Like it's the internet.

So how do you know that that data is right?

Like,

Like,

Do you for which one I'm asking,

Like,

For which one?

For for any of them for like,

You just you just told me,

If you go on Google,

And you do a search in 10 minutes,

You can find out the statistics on,

You know,

Accidents versus COVID desk.

So what are these websites?

Because I know that there's a lot of crazy websites out there.

And I know,

For example,

That Facebook is in a lot of hot water right now,

Because they've been posting a lot of fake news,

And it's been tearing people apart.

So I just you're gonna see that a lot more,

By the way,

What's that you're gonna see that a lot more,

By the way,

It's because Facebook after we had that,

I noticed it to actually,

Where a lot of people would post stuff,

Facebook could get taken down,

Because people would share stuff with me,

Right?

Telegram attacks,

And I go and it's like taking down taking down YouTube is doing the same thing.

Yeah.

Then after we had that outage,

You know,

We had that six hour outage,

What about a month ago?

In Florida?

No,

It was a it was actual Facebook outage.

Oh,

Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah.

Oh,

That's,

Yeah,

I thought you meant electricity.

I was like,

Oh,

No,

No,

No,

No.

Just a Facebook outage.

It happened.

And it was funny,

Because I was texting,

I have clients in UK and Europe and also in Canada.

Obviously,

A lot of people in Canada,

It's texting,

Everybody.

I'm like,

You guys seeing this,

Because I'm seeing this,

Usually an hour,

Half an hour,

But six hour outage.

And after that,

I noticed that,

Oh,

People are getting away with posting stuff that is definitely off the mainstream.

So the censoring level has gone down.

And I think that's over the next 6-12 months,

You're going to see that happen again.

There may be another outage or not,

But I think you're going to see it become.

And it's interesting,

Because I'm seeing the uncensored information on the three platforms I mentioned,

Right?

The COVID shoot.

So then when you see it on Facebook,

Like,

Oh,

Now they're not censoring stuff.

YouTube's totally is still I got something taken off this week.

So anyway,

As long story short is,

I'm not here to claim to be an expert,

A medical expert.

That's why I'm not going to give you the data.

I went ahead and found the data myself.

And I was like,

Oh,

I'm like,

There's a ton of information on this.

But because a lot of the main platforms,

Less on Facebook,

But still YouTube and still Google are still censoring it,

It is hard to find,

You got to go off platform,

You got to go off platform.

So I don't know what to tell you.

I think,

Yeah,

I just think that my argument to that is like,

What are we calling information?

You know,

And I know that censoring went around a lot,

But a lot of the things that they were censoring,

And I got censored on Facebook,

Too.

Oh,

Yeah.

Oh,

Yeah.

And I'm like,

On the other side of it.

I mean,

It's funny,

Because everybody thought that they were only censoring on one side,

But I cannot tell you how many times I went to Facebook jail.

I mean,

It was insane.

So it was Yeah,

It was like they were just pulling things out.

But I think the fear was,

And especially in the United States,

We had such a volatile I mean,

January 6,

At the Capitol,

They almost destroyed our democracy over there.

So it's like we had such a volatile happening that it's like we had to,

I think that dangerous misinformation had to be taken out.

And I think that in the process of that,

A lot of things got weeded out.

And some of it sure,

Was probably true and accurate.

And they,

It was a little like,

Like bordering,

Like on the Nazi level,

Like you couldn't say like a certain words,

Because it was like,

They would just catch you and throw you in jail.

Right.

But um,

But I think for the most part,

You know,

I'm like,

Now that we're not censoring,

And now that,

You know,

I used to work for discord,

I don't know if you've known discord,

What's discord,

Discord is a communication app,

It's really big with the kids who play video games,

Like you can get out,

You can play video games,

And you can talk to each other at the same time.

And discord,

And it's basically social media and discord and every social media platform,

And I'm just going to put this out there,

They have something a department that's called trust and safety.

And what trust and safety does,

It's a bunch of brave people who go in there and make sure that bad stuff does not happen on those platforms.

So I mean,

Everything from like,

Child pornography to snuff films,

These people have seen it all.

And if these people weren't there to pull that stuff off,

It would be a cesspool pool of hatred.

So they do have to do they do have to do and they do have to do it.

I will say that.

And so what do I agree with you?

100%?

Yeah.

So when I talk is,

Is,

Is like a censoring platform,

But not to the degree that a Facebook or YouTube or Google is.

So when you're talking about that stuff,

It's like,

Oh,

Yeah,

You need people definitely doing that.

But but same thing with like misinformation and science and health,

You really need people to be looking at stuff too.

And I'm not saying,

Again,

I'm not I'm just saying that,

You know,

Like people really complained about it.

And I was annoyed too.

But my whole thing was like,

I'm just gonna get off of Facebook.

Like,

I really don't care that much.

If Facebook wants to censor me,

I'll just go somewhere else.

You know what I'm saying?

Like,

It wasn't this huge explosion of the anger that sort of surrounded that was a little crazy for me,

Because now that they're not censoring,

What is what's going to happen?

Is that the solution?

Or is that another symptom to the problem?

Yeah,

It's a good question.

Because the big part of this,

I believe spiritual war that's going on is about perception,

Right?

That's how they control,

They and other independent people control the narrative,

Right?

Now,

I would say that the independent people who are publishing content,

Not for any financial gain,

Not to gain followers,

And not to,

To gain anything really,

But focus on we the people and focus on sharing what they believe to be the truth,

Still is a minority in terms of what's seen on social media.

I still think that,

You know,

Mainstream media is definitely controlled by the larger companies,

For sure.

And so that controls perception.

And that perception.

So your question is a good one.

Because,

You know,

You can find probably just as many lawyers,

Doctors,

Teachers backing the left and the right,

Right.

And you can find just as many data points on both sides.

So what do you believe,

Right?

So I mean,

You know,

You've known me for,

I guess,

Over a year now.

And like,

I've been meditating regularly since for about 11 years 2010.

And I can tell you that a lot of things that happen before they happen,

And this is just my experience,

So I have no way to prove it.

But my experience has been that things that I know to be true,

And this happened when I was a kid,

Too.

So I was like,

I remember being eight years old,

And like knowing certain things about like,

What were,

You know,

My path and what I was supposed to be doing,

And then my parents telling me something different.

I remember one point thinking,

I think I'm adopted,

Because I feel like my parents would they believe and think and this is I was eight,

Right?

And what I believe are so like different that and the reason I started to remember those,

You know,

Memories is because I used to think,

Man,

They don't really get it.

And then when we,

My wife and I had left Canada,

We were having these conversations where,

You know,

They were saying,

I need to wear a mask to go in the house.

They said,

Well,

I maybe I won't go in the house anymore.

Right.

So there's this separations being created,

Which is what these,

These cabal love because,

You know,

When IRS was created,

And I actually you can find this on I think it's on the IRS website,

I found it when it was 1870,

Whatever the first thing and they're proudly will gloat and you know,

Publicly declare this right on their website,

That when they were created when the IRS was created,

It actually funded the first thing it funded was a war.

What does a war do it creates separation?

Oh,

Absolutely.

Hey,

Listen,

I'm not I'm not saying that they're not creating wars or whatever.

But my big question to you is why not wear a mask?

What is the problem?

So I worked as a laborer when I was 1819,

I think 20 years old,

I did for three years in the summers at a mining facility.

And we used to have these dust and vapor respirator that we used to put on and you have to have cartridges on them.

They're like a massive mass.

And you needed it to breathe.

And then it was like I said,

Gas filters gas and it filters particulate.

So we're talking about gas,

Right?

Basically we're talking about airborne particles,

Which is gas.

And I was telling my parents,

I'm like,

You know that if you don't want to get any vapor from anyone else,

You have to have one of these full sealed cartridge,

You know what I mean?

The mask isn't about other people infecting you.

It's about you not infecting other people.

Yeah.

And it's funny because like,

We went skiing last winter in Canada was like people were just wearing scarves.

It was like there's no,

There's no criteria around it.

As long as you're wearing a scarf or something.

And I'm like,

Yeah,

Anyways,

I agree with that.

But I just,

But I think like in terms of like an actual mask,

Like I just wonder,

Because if that makes somebody feel safer,

If you have it on,

Like just as etiquette,

It seems like a lot of people are just really passionately against it.

Like,

You know,

You go to a Starbucks and these people are making what $14 an hour busting their butts,

Making you a coffee.

And all they want is for you to come in and just wear a mask.

And people go in there and they scream and yell about their freedoms.

And it's like,

Look,

You're on private property,

You're getting a coffee,

Like just wear the mask,

Just wear the mask.

I don't know.

Does that seem wrong to you?

Tell me.

Yeah,

I won't wear it because so I walked again,

I watched some videos earlier on of some doctors.

One was from Tony Robbins doesn't mean that he's,

But I watched about six or seven of them.

Again,

This is probably January,

February is when I took my mask off,

I stopped wearing it.

And it showed basically a zoom in of the mass that they were giving out the blue medical mask they were using at the hospitals.

And and then there's different ones,

But just this generic one they've been giving out to people for free at whatever restaurants or stores and that sort of thing.

And how the size of the porous is on the mask.

And then they take so you have to say this is like,

It's like a web,

Right?

You know,

There's holes in it.

It's not just it's porous.

And then the size of the actual allergen are,

You know,

Basically the virus and it's like way smaller than the holes.

So just but aren't those the masks that surgeons wear?

Like if you had surgery,

Would you want them to go in without a mask on?

I guess it depends what kind of surgeon surgeon I'm getting.

What do you mean?

I've never had I never had any major surgery.

So yeah.

But yeah,

I want them to wear something that was like I was saying these rubber sealed with the big cartridges,

Then I would be like,

Hey,

Now they're not going to get through that.

Nothing's getting through,

But they're not going to.

And you know what,

Maybe we'll come to that.

I mean,

I haven't seen anyone wear them.

But those are like the masks that I would be like,

Yeah.

And it's funny because I have an engineer friend who was working with his brother who was in the Canadian military is in the Canadian military.

And he started putting these masks together with the cartridges and everything.

And I'm like,

Yeah,

I'm like,

That's what's going to keep people safe.

But I guess people didn't want to wear them.

I'm like,

That's what will really keep you safe.

So let me so let's talk about this,

Because this is important.

So from a,

From a biological standpoint,

A psychological biological standpoint,

Are you familiar with the chakras or energy centers?

Yeah.

Okay,

Cool.

So let's,

I'm going to pull it up on the screen,

Actually,

Because I use this all the time with clients.

Let me just share the screen.

Can I share?

Let me make you host and then you can share.

Hold on.

Okay.

You know,

I wonder if I do this,

Try sharing now.

See if that works.

If it doesn't work.

Oh,

Cool.

Okay,

Can you see this?

Yes.

Okay.

This is what I've been telling my wife for she's tired of hearing it.

But I said,

This is when everything will change.

Literally,

I mean,

Even if the narrative is being controlled by whoever it is,

Let's pretend that we don't even know if it's being who it's being controlled by,

But there is some sort of deception there.

This is one of the game changes for humanity 2.

0.

So let's see,

There's a couple chakras here.

Which one am I looking for?

I'm looking so it's usually these bottom three.

Okay.

Okay.

It's one of these bottom three.

So when I've done is when I go through a session with a client and they come to me because they have fear anxiety,

A fear of anything,

Fear success,

Fear of failure,

Fear of missing out,

Some sort of anxiety,

Some sort of worry,

It always comes back in with myself when I used to worry a lot,

It always came back from one of these.

It was actually in the stomach for me,

Solar plexus,

But it's always these bottom three.

So these bottom three chakras,

They're like little brains,

They're energy centers.

Okay.

And so when I say their brains and you in the heart institute of heart math,

Which has been around for over 20 years,

They're actually based in California.

They've done a lot of research and they measure that.

So for example,

The heart chakra,

It sends more signals to the brain than the brain sends to the heart center.

Okay.

Where we'll say mainstream science has not confirmed or admitted that yet.

Okay.

So again,

It's heartmathinstitute.

Com.

They're fantastic.

They have a lot of information there.

They've been around a long time.

They've done a lot of studies,

Like fact,

Like they've actually taken data and they there's a lot of ways that they measure that.

But at the end of the day what they confirmed was that the number of signals being sent electrical impulse signals or chemicals being which are another form of emotion and signals being sent to the brain was more than the brain sending to the heart.

So if you take that concept that this energy center is a powerful communicator to the body,

Right.

In terms of what you get in your brain and those thoughts you get,

Then you can take it another level and say,

Well,

These other energy centers are brains that are also sending signals to our brain.

Okay.

So if they're doing that,

Okay.

So if you believe me that that's the case and there's,

I've got to pull up the science.

I'm going to be putting a lot of this in my new book that that's actually the case that these electrical signals are being sent from the different energy centers in the body.

What you'll find is that,

And then this is,

This comes back to my practical experience with clients is that if these energy centers,

There's any sort of fear or anxiety where you can like,

You close your eyes and you just sense,

Do I have any fear and anxiety or any sort of negative emotion?

And if the answer is yes,

I would say,

Well,

Where is it?

And they say,

It's here,

It's here,

Wherever it is.

Sometimes it's in the throat is in the throat shock,

Or sometimes it's a headache,

But once we clear it,

I have a clearing process.

It always comes back to those three bottom ones.

And after we clear those three bottom ones and they're completely,

Um,

We'll just say in a neutral state,

Not even positive,

But in a neutral state,

What happens is the perception changes.

So what I'm seeing happening is a lot of people have anxiety and fear in these three energy centers.

So they're distorting their perception and they're doing things that don't make a logical sense,

But make them feel safe because those energy centers,

Is this going back to the whole mask thing?

Is this,

Do you think that people who wear masks are blocked in their lower three chakras?

Okay.

That,

Or there's something else going on that I can't explain from a psychological biological perspective.

Yeah.

Like,

Um,

I'll share another antidote.

And I thought you found this really interesting.

Can I just say from my end,

Like I'm very spiritual and I do chakra clearings and I meditate and I do yoga all the time.

I mean,

I have soul fed,

You know,

So,

Um,

But I wear masks and it's not,

I don't know.

I don't think it's about my,

My chakras being blocked or me and fear.

I think it's from my,

My personal experience with this disease and what I mean,

My cousin who was the same age as me and healthy died of it.

This was before the vaccine in Greece.

So I mean,

And like the village that he's from,

It got death.

I mean,

It was just like COVID everywhere.

It was just,

It was horrible and they didn't have enough medical attention to go around.

So I think for me personally on that,

You know,

Spirits,

Like I'm going to wear a mask because,

You know,

When I go into a store,

It feels like it's not about them not contaminating me because honestly I'm vaccinated and now I don't care.

Like I have just been,

I mean,

I went to a wedding in New York at Greek wedding where it's like everybody was together,

Greek dancing,

Doing all of that stuff.

You know,

Nobody was wearing a mask,

But I was vaccinated.

I was fine with that.

You know,

It's like,

But you know,

For me going into a store or going into a Starbucks where these kids are working all day,

They have to wear this mask too.

It's the least I can do just out of respect for them.

You know,

Just to give them a hard time.

So that's,

That's an interesting point you made.

So but also because I don't want to give it to someone.

Like if there's an old lady sitting in front of me and she's 80 years old and she hasn't been vaccinated and I give her COVID,

I'm going to feel awful about that.

You know what I'm saying?

Like there is like that personal responsibility I feel too.

Have you ever heard of,

Let me just pull them up here.

Doctor Mattias Desmond.

It's M A T T I A S D E S M E E T.

Spell that one more time.

M A T T I A S what?

Doctor M A T T I A S Desmond.

D E S M E T.

Okay.

Go on.

So check him out.

Just watch a couple of his interviews.

He's our excellent.

He's a specialist in mass formation.

Okay.

Uh huh.

So,

Um,

I found some brilliant interviews from him.

What he talks about is that,

And I was talking about this earlier and then we kind of segued in different conversation,

But in the beginning when there were lockdowns,

There was this social disconnection and that creates an anxiety.

Okay.

And that anxiety,

Um,

Created a problem for people because now they wanted to do something about it,

But they couldn't associate.

You couldn't,

You can't see the disease,

Right?

So you can't associate,

You can't do anything with it.

And that creates more anxiety.

But then,

Uh,

Governments came out,

Medical experts came out,

Public medical experts and said,

We have a vaccine.

If you take it,

Then you'd be to protect you yourself and other people and wear the mask.

And if you do that,

And people were like yourself,

We're very proud to do it because now they were able to do something with that anxiety that they had.

I don't know.

And then the second part of it is,

Yeah,

Once you've done something,

Once you've done something with it,

Um,

Now you're proud to tell other people that you're doing it to protect them in order to be part of this new community,

Which gives you the social connection.

First of all,

I'm not part of anyone's community.

Maria is the lone wolf and she does not follow anyone.

Okay.

Second of all,

I think that you're really overgeneralizing here.

And I think like,

I'm sorry,

I'm looking at this doctor and when he's on websites like germ warfare.

Com,

It kind of makes me question the whole thing.

Third of all,

Like a lot of people have done this for prevention.

It's the same reason people get flu shots.

Okay.

It's the,

It's the same reason.

Like my dad has cancer.

He's getting chemotherapy right now.

I'm not going to be around my father and potentially give him COVID.

And I won't be around anyone that is,

Would be a danger to him in that way.

Like I,

I wouldn't invite you over for a family dinner because there could be a possibility that you could have COVID and I'm not going to give that to anyone.

Like,

Because even as I'm vaccinated,

I could still be a carrier for that.

And people who are vaccinated still get COVID.

The only difference is they get it at a much lower level.

Two women went on a cruise,

Right?

One vaccinated,

One not vaccinated.

So that they both got COVID.

The vaccinated one fine after a couple of days,

The other one on a ventilator in the hospital.

And here's my feeling with people who don't get the vaccine.

I'm kind of like,

Okay,

That's fine.

You want to call me a coward?

You want to call me sheep?

That's cool.

But then when you get sick,

Don't go to the hospital because those nurses and doctors are so overworked.

And the fact that you didn't do your part to prevent that for me,

That's the ultimate fuck you to the healthcare system,

To all those doctors and nurses who are working overtime right now,

Because they are working overtime right now,

Because I have friends who are nurses and doctors and they are getting slaughtered in the hospitals.

Not by people who have been vaccinated,

But a lot of people who haven't been vaccinated.

And it's like,

Okay,

Cool.

You don't want to get vaccinated.

You don't want to get,

Wear a mask.

But in my personal opinion,

If you don't do that,

Then you shouldn't be able to go to the hospital if you get it.

Because these people are overworked and you're not doing your part to prevent it.

And that's how people like me feel.

It's not about fear.

It's about prevention.

And it's about respect.

It's about respecting the community.

You're not getting your COVID vaccination.

That means we cannot,

Uh,

Grid the world of COVID.

Like this thing is just going to go round and round and round because people won't get vaccinated.

And that's the number of people that are,

The number of people that are,

Um,

In the hospitals,

Like you said,

There are people like they're overwhelmed and stuff.

I'm hearing the same stories.

Um,

I'm also hearing about a lot of heart attacks,

Um,

Excessive number of heart attacks.

And um,

They're doing,

Uh,

Autopsies and not able to confirm the cause of these excessive number of heart attack.

And I say excessive,

Again,

You got to pull the data,

But again,

This has just started.

So if you're going to pull it on a year to your basis,

It'll be a year from now.

And they'd be like,

Oh,

There was like a lot last year of these heart attacks.

So you gotta,

You're going to have to wait a year to figure out.

And then they're doing autopsies.

They don't even know why they're happening.

Um,

So,

And there's,

There's,

There was this two weeks ago,

There's 53,

000,

Um,

Nurses in the U S alone,

Leaving their jobs because they don't want to be forced to be vaccinated.

Did you hear that?

Or you don't get that information because if you're a nurse,

If you're a healthcare person,

Then you should be vaccinated because you're dealing with a lot of vulnerable people.

Okay.

So that's the whole reason you're in healthcare to help the sick.

If you get sick and you get them sick,

What's the point,

Obviously they should be.

So this is where,

This is where,

This is where,

Um,

So that type of,

Um,

Action where people are leaving these jobs and it's not just happening in that you're seeing in a lot of other jobs,

Right?

Right.

The amount of job postings I see here is amazing.

Like I get reached out for like the craziest things.

Um,

We're looking for a post office worker in your area.

We're looking for it.

And I was like,

Wow,

I'm like,

We're looking for this and that and the other thing.

So I mean,

People aren't just leaving their jobs because of vaccinations,

People are leaving their jobs because they're sick of them.

There is a huge collective unrest that is happening right now.

Agreed.

And people are realizing that the old ways that we did things are no longer relevant.

Thank you.

But the thing that worries me the most is this kind of divide that you and I have here because I see this and it's so prevalent.

And you know,

I think that the problem is,

Is that I'm sorry,

But from my perspective,

You know,

The facts that you're getting,

They don't seem real to me.

Like if you go on some homemade website and you see some doctor on there,

It's called germ warfare.

Com.

Like for me,

That doesn't really make me feel like that's solid evidence.

And it's like,

How far are we digging to make sure that the information maybe on both sides is accurate?

You know,

It's like,

I agree.

Like,

You know,

CNN,

Fox news,

They're all the same and they're all,

All they're trying to do is put the fear of God in everybody.

And that's why I don't watch the news.

And as a matter of fact,

I've gotten off of Facebook too,

Because Facebook is a huge cesspool of rage and depression.

And it got me,

I was so angry on Facebook.

I would see people's posts.

I would see what people were posting.

I would see how people were talking to each other and it got me and I started doing the same thing because I'm a spicy Greek woman and that whole thing happened.

And it's like,

Now I don't even deal with it.

And you're right.

You do have to unplug,

But you really have to be careful about the information that you're taking it.

And you have to use rational thinking too.

It's like,

You don't live,

No man is an Island.

You don't live in this world all by yourself.

And eventually we do have to come together as a community.

So how are we going to do it?

If on this side,

You guys are calling us names like sheeple and all of this stuff.

And on our side,

We just don't believe you because we just don't think that the facts that you guys have are accurate.

So how do we come together?

These two groups.

It's going to be the,

So you,

You already said it.

It's because there's a mass unrest and people are leaving their jobs,

Not just for getting a,

Having the free choice to get vaccinated or not because of other lifestyle reasons and maybe like,

Why am I doing this job?

And why am I doing this?

Yeah.

So money.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So exactly.

So because that's happening,

We're both agree on that.

What I also see is that these companies,

Some are public,

Some are private are losing people.

So there's going to be not,

It's not going to be,

There's not enough beds anymore.

The story is going to be like,

We don't have people.

So that is going to continue to crumble until this entire medical healthcare system.

Again,

My opinion,

Because it's already happening,

You're already seeing it is going to crumble completely where there's going to not going to be a system at all.

And we're going to have to create a brand new one.

It's happening in Canada as well.

Cause then we're going to be like Afghanistan,

Steve.

And it's just going to be like tons of people outside dying from diseases that could easily be cured.

I mean,

Polio is coming back polio because people are refusing to get vaccinated.

It's like,

It's crazy town right now.

And you're right.

It is crumbling in that way,

But it's like,

You know,

I mean,

It's like my parents,

What's that?

My parents,

Um,

I was telling them,

They said,

They said to me that,

And again,

This is the information they're getting.

If you need to go to the hospital,

You have to have like a heart attack or broken leg for them to even take you.

And my mom said that they're not even looking at people over 60.

They're only looking at younger people at this point.

They're like a priority.

I was like,

Wow.

So you can't get into a hospital if you wanted to right now.

So I,

What I see happening is that trend is going to continue.

It's going to get worse.

Eventually there isn't going to be a hospital at some point anymore that we go to,

And we're going to have to take care of ourselves.

Like we used to.

Why does that happen?

Why are this,

Why are the hospitals so overwhelmed right now?

It's completely on purpose.

And from a spiritual standpoint,

It's completely on purpose from an energetic standpoint,

It's completely on purpose.

There's I'm not making it happen.

You're not making it happen.

It's part of what's been designed for us at this time.

By God,

This is what,

This is the design by God so that we can move on to the next chapter of healthcare,

Which is what we're just going to heal ourselves.

Could be a lot of different things.

Could be a lot of different things.

I don't know.

I think that I don't think that this is God's work at all.

Why?

And I am a huge spiritual person and I believe that everything has a purpose,

But I don't think that this is God's hand.

I think that this is people who are being stubborn and they're refusing to get vaccinated and COVID is just going to town.

I mean,

There was a guy in Texas and he was the biggest anti,

I don't know if you read about this in the news,

But he was like one of the biggest opposers of the vaccine.

Wouldn't get his family vaccinated.

He had three kids,

Three young kids.

His wife was pregnant with the fourth.

He got COVID.

He went to some rally.

He got COVID and he died in the hospital.

And he was like,

You should,

Before he died,

He was like,

You should get vaccinated.

This is no joke.

Like that is the problem is that like people are not taking responsibility.

It's not about fear.

People are not taking responsibility for themselves and saying,

You know what?

I don't want to get sick because I don't want to have to go to the hospital and wait in line.

I mean,

Here I am.

I had hip surgery last year because I was born with this birth defect.

Now I'm the other hip is going because of that birth defect and to get an MRI,

It's going to take me two months to get in.

So it's just like,

It's like everything is just at its limit and nobody is saying,

Hey,

You know what?

It's great that I'm taking vitamin C.

It's great that I'm taking iron,

But maybe I should actually look at these vaccines a little bit closer,

Talk to a few doctors who actually work with these vaccines and see what's happening because the problem is it's like not getting vaccinated.

That's not the answer because we're getting slaughtered out there and the hospitals are living proof of that.

So if we're not going to get vaccinated and we're not going to wear a mask,

What is the solution to this?

Yeah,

There's going to be a lot more.

Um,

I,

Hey,

I'm,

I'm,

This is all new territory,

Right?

Like I've never seen this ever as you have it.

And I don't know how many times I reincarnated here.

I've never had this experience.

I don't think I've ever had this experience.

So,

But I'm just looking at what's happening and where things are going,

It's getting,

It's getting worse.

Things are crumbling.

Um,

There's a lot of information out there that is basically like people are leaving their jobs.

Like if people who are a piece of God are leaving their jobs in their own rep outright,

You know,

They're making a choice.

Is it God's hand or not?

I guess we'll find it out.

I don't know.

It's not,

I think again,

It's people realizing,

But you know what,

Here's the thing is that we're all connected,

Right?

We are one,

We are part of a larger organism and what happens to one person happens to all of us collected.

Right.

So you know,

The fact that this unrest is happening in the world,

It's like,

It's been,

It's been sitting with people a long time.

I mean,

How long have people hated their jobs?

Not wanting to go committed suicide.

They got fired all of this pressure,

Things that people are just not willing to deal with anymore.

Yep.

And so,

So I think that,

And that level,

That's great.

Like rise above the abuse of these like jobs that you don't want to do anymore.

Find something that you love to do and do that.

And because of the happier we are as people,

I think the more we're going to get along and maybe,

Maybe we can agree more on these things as we go.

Steve,

I didn't really expect us to go this way,

But thank you so much.

These conversations are always so fun.

I'm sorry if I yelled at your face,

I just get very passionate when I talk.

So I'm totally fine with whatever you said to me.

I don't take it personally.

You know,

The interesting thing is that because this is new territory for you know,

It's not like just like,

It's funny,

Like if you noticed even in the last year,

It's not about the USA anymore.

It's not about Canada.

It's about the world.

It's like,

Cause it's like,

And that's,

What's really fascinating to me.

It's like,

How could even the level of behavior from all humans,

Like even in there's a,

There's this phenomenon happening in China with young Chinese like teenagers where,

And 20 year olds where they're not going into the workforce anymore.

We're talking about the same thing,

Right?

And they're making a choice.

And the unfortunate thing is,

And this is why I believe that all the systems are going to collapse,

Not just healthcare,

Is that if those new younger generation of kids don't get jobs or become entrepreneurs or do something to make money,

Which right now that's not what's happening.

People that are not a credit from,

That was a Euro Bureau,

US Bureau statistics,

And not a credit people are taking out in the last month or two is excelled accelerator rate.

Like you can just look at the graphs.

It's insane.

So people aren't working.

They're relying on credit to live.

The problem is,

Is that you can't do that for very long.

And then the second part of it is if they do,

Are they going to go back to a job that they hate where they're getting taxed out of their ass to just survive?

I don't think that people are opting in for that anymore.

I don't think they're just opting in for survival.

And because of that,

What I see coming is that you're going to see I IRS collapse.

You're going to see CRA,

Which is tax collection in Canada collapse,

As well as healthcare,

As well as government's most politics.

The recent information I have,

No matter how woo or outrelf right you think it is,

Is that it's going to help them with healthcare first in the next three to four months.

And then it's going to lead to the collapse of overall politicians,

Governments,

And the actual tax system.

If you take away and you go to a tax system where every state,

Like for example,

Florida is this way for the most part,

You just collect sales tax.

There's property tax as well.

But let's say it's just sales tax.

There's no state tax and there was no federal tax.

Well,

The government's going to have to shrink to keep all those people employed.

Right.

But that is the whole point of a sovereign.

That's a sovereign community.

That's a sovereign group of people.

It's like it,

You take care of yourself.

You're not relying on government to do things for you and you make your money.

You pay your sales tax,

Which everyone's fine to do.

And the easy transition,

Very business owner,

They just collect their sales tax and that's it.

And they use that money to create the infrastructure they need for the entire country.

That's where I see things going.

And that's where I think is awesome because if you're leaving this job because you're like,

I don't want to just do this for the money anymore.

I would do something I'm passionate about,

But you only make 30,

000 a year,

But you're not paying any income tax.

Well,

Good for you.

Now you can do that and live off it where you couldn't in the past,

Right.

With after taxes or after.

So,

Yeah,

That's the reason I see the opposite of that.

I think that it's going to be like,

We're going to get rid of money.

I think that it's going to be a system where it's just like,

We live as like an organism where we take care of each other.

Money is just out of it.

And then people who want to work,

Because I think people are going to want to work.

Like people are going to want to improve the community,

Make things better.

Those people are going to go out there and they're going to make a difference,

But it's not going to be any longer this,

Oh my God,

I have to wait tables for five.

50 years and,

You know,

Get spit on in life or whatever.

I waited tables for a long time.

I hated it.

If you're a waitress and you love it,

Great,

Good for you.

Awesome.

As long as you love your job,

That's all I'm saying.

But I think that just a lot of this heartbreak and people selling their souls and all of this stuff,

Like I would really like to see that go away.

And I would,

I would love to see us starting to take care of each other more compassionately because because what I always hear from the other side is take care of yourself,

Take care of yourself,

Take care of yourself.

And yes,

That is important,

But let's not forget to take care of each other too.

Cause that's really,

Yeah,

We're all connected.

So anyway,

Steve,

It's always great to have you on the show.

Thank you so much.

Thanks for having this conversation with me.

Yeah.

And and we'll talk soon.

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Wow! This is the kind of conversation I would like to see more of, not to convince anyone, but just to understand the other side. I’ve got a feeling that this pandemic is just a rehearsal for the collective decisions we need to make on global warming. Can we learn to respect each other and extend the same treatment to all beings?