From Car Accident To Awakening: Jennifer Pilates On Healing

Jennifer Pilates and I explore the multifaceted world of Pilates, its holistic benefits, and the personal journey of Jennifer as a wellness expert. They discuss the origins of Pilates, the importance of core strength, and how trauma can lead to spiritual awakening and personal growth. Jennifer shares her insights on healing, identity, and the significance of being authentic in one's journey. The conversation emphasizes the interconnectedness of healing and the impact of personal experiences on collective well-being.

Transcript

Holness,

Welcome.

This is Josh,

Interskilled Integrating Presence,

And today I have Jennifer Pilates with me.

Jennifer,

How's it going today?

It is going fantastic.

I'm so excited that we are finally getting together,

Josh.

I think Jennifer reached out almost a year ago due to this one thing and another,

But here we are.

And so who is Jennifer Pilates and what kind of work does she do?

My goodness,

Jennifer Pilates is what I like to call a multi-passionate entrepreneur.

She can't help but get her hands in everything.

So I definitely am a holistic wellness expert.

I've been a Pilates rehabilitative specialist for over two decades,

A spiritual thought leader,

A Reiki master healer and intuitive medium,

A speaker,

A podcaster,

Just like yourself.

But most importantly,

I am a human energetic being who is here to spread love and light and inspiration and to help people empower themselves from within.

Well,

That's lovely.

The first thing I want to know and get it out of the way,

I think,

Too,

Is your last name Pilates.

So I'm not familiar so much with the exercise.

I know that when I peek in windows,

It looks like a very intense,

Maybe once predominated by feminine,

But maybe not so much anymore.

They seem really involved.

And so for dumb guys like me who don't really know what to say about it,

What is Pilates?

Sorry,

I hope probably people that are listening to this are probably going to laugh at me and that's okay.

I'm okay with that.

But we got to learn one way or another,

Right,

Instead of me looking it up.

And then your last name,

Do you have any relation to any of that or I'm interested in the last name coincidence here?

It's such an interesting,

That's like a podcast in itself about the last name and how it came to be.

So it is my legal last name now.

I will say this,

A very smart,

I believe he was 12 years old,

This little boy walked up to me and he was like,

Miss,

Miss.

And I said,

Hi,

You know,

We were talking and he said,

Can I ask you something?

And I said,

Of course.

And he said,

Is that really your last name or is that branding?

And I looked at him and I thought,

You are so brilliant,

Young man.

So it really came about after being called Jennifer Pilates forever.

It's all I was known for.

And as time went on,

I had another last name and it wasn't working.

And so I thought,

And I'm a very savvy business marketing person,

And I thought,

Well,

I can't trademark this,

But you know what?

I can change this.

And so that's what I did.

And it made my life so much easier personally and professionally,

Legal wise,

The whole nine yards.

And so it meant nothing to anyone else but to me,

Because at that point I had already been known as it.

My clients had brought in marketing signs for my business.

Over the years,

I've had seven plus studios,

Always had these beautiful names.

And I would say to someone,

Well,

What do you,

Where do you tell them that you go to take Pilates?

And they're like,

Well,

Jennifer.

And I'm like,

Fantastic.

Marketing means nothing.

So it became this evolution way before,

Like I would be really frustrated when people would call me Pilates girl or,

You know,

Pilates.

And it took me a long time to realize,

Oh,

I get it.

And so it evolved into something and it wasn't done haphazardly on a professional or personal level.

I sought out Joseph Pilates,

Who is deceased by the way.

So he has always been a presence in my life and there,

I did ask for permission.

I asked all about it and there was a huge conversation about it.

So,

I mean,

It's,

It's a really in-depth story behind it,

But the short story is yes,

It is legal.

Yeah.

Cause I thought it was somebody's last name.

So I was curious if your actual lineage or,

You know,

What's going on there.

So that's cool.

Thanks for clearing that up.

And now I'm rising to the level of that 12 year old.

Yeah.

Right.

So there you go.

So you have it and it's,

It's not,

You know,

It's a,

It's a question I get a lot and I think it's really,

It's a really special question for me and there's so much more to it,

But that's kind of the short story.

Yeah.

Well,

That's lovely.

But tell,

To tell complete newbies,

How would you describe Pilates and then work it into your personal story?

Maybe you get tired of telling your personal story.

Maybe you don't,

But yeah,

I think it's relevant here at the beginning to say something about it maybe.

Yeah.

For sure.

So Pilates in and of itself is all about strengthening and lengthening from your core outward.

So if you were to come to me as a human being and you go,

Oh Jennifer,

My hip,

You know,

My right hip is hurting and I'd say,

Okay,

And I'd,

I'd probably ask you because my background is rehabilitative therapy with Pilates because that is how it found me through a traumatic car accident in 1997.

So I rehabbed with Pilates for over a year before I ever thought to get into it because I was a rising corporate girl in senior living.

So that's a little bit of a backstory with that part.

But when you look at Pilates,

We work from your core outward because of the concept that just because your right hip,

You may be having pain there.

That's not necessarily where the root cause is coming from.

So when we start from the core and we work outward,

We're able to realign the body from head to toe and the spirit and your emotions along the way because we do work with breath work.

It is movement.

We are,

You know,

In essence,

Especially when clients work with me,

Particularly we're working on cleansing and clearing your chakras and aligning everything.

And so it truly is about strengthening and lengthening your body from head to toe.

So it is a full workout in an hour.

And yes,

You're correct.

It very much started with professional dancers.

When Joseph Pilates came to the United States,

He got off a boat literally in New York City,

Went into a building,

Opened up his practice with his wife,

And it happened to be in a building where there were all dancers.

So for decades and decades,

It very much was more of a feminine aspect to things.

There definitely were men back there,

But they didn't talk about it as much.

Now fast forward,

You know,

So many decades later,

It very much is something that professional athletes have been using,

Whether they talk about it or not.

And I've worked with so many professional athletes across the board from football to baseball to hockey to golf to tennis,

Professional skiers,

Like you name it,

There isn't anyone who doesn't understand the value that comes from aligning your body and the strength that you have from that.

So it's great,

As I say,

For everyone from eight years old to 88 years old,

It doesn't matter.

There's equipment,

There's not equipment.

It all depends on where you're at and what's best for your body in that moment.

Well,

That's lovely.

Thank you for that.

And just to further education line here,

When you say core,

I kind of know what that means,

But are you talking about like on the physical level,

Like stomach muscles?

Is that basically what you mean by core?

I mean,

It's a fancy word for that,

But I've been imagining it means more than just your stomach muscles,

Like maybe the kind of an emotional core,

A spiritual core,

Other types of cores too.

Yeah.

What do you mean by that?

And then just I think to wrap maybe or to tie a bow on this or getting to it anyway,

If possible,

Is like,

How did he discover this anyway?

I mean,

He just jumped right in and had it going.

So there must be some kind of backstory to him too,

Because this is a huge thing,

Right?

I mean,

This is,

There's like,

I'm sure it's not as widespread as yoga,

But I mean,

There's like Pilates studios everywhere,

Right?

I mean,

More or less.

There are.

And they're all incredibly different.

The industry,

Much like yoga,

And I have a passion for yoga as well.

You know,

Yoga has faced its fair amount of intricacies over the years with people watering it down and shifting it and so on and so forth.

And Pilates is definitely going through that again.

Pilates is in the top five of modalities as we move into this,

To this decade again,

It was so big two decades ago,

Then it started to peter out and then everyone started to shift it and they would call it,

They have a lot of names for it with a lot of different franchises.

And it doesn't mean you're doing Pilates though.

And I think that,

You know,

There are a lot of yogis out there who understand exactly what I'm saying.

It's kind of,

It's a little frustrating when you come from a classical background.

So for me personally,

We have Joseph Pilates,

Who is the inventor,

The founder.

Then he actually certified two to three people.

My teachers learned from them.

So I'm a true third generation Pilates trainer,

Which is very hard to come by these days because we're dwindling out because of the way in which,

You know,

The world goes and people age and so on and so forth.

When we talk about Pilates,

It originally was called Contrology.

Later on,

Joseph and his real last name is Pilates.

It became the Pilates method.

And that was via him.

So when it was Contrology and how that part began is he was a very sick,

Sick little boy,

Rickets,

Rheumatic fever,

Asthma,

Just a mess.

And so he really spent his childhood learning to get well.

What could he do?

So he studied yoga.

He studied ancient Grecian regimens.

He studied boxing.

I mean,

There are some different stories out there,

But,

You know,

Those are the real things that we truly know that he really worked at and began working with his body to the point that he was the original model for anatomy charts.

I mean,

Pretty impressive.

Like we're talking 18,

You know,

We're talking a long time ago.

Now when you fast forward and you say,

Well,

How did some of this really come to be?

When we look at when he was interned in World War II,

Within his camp,

That's when influenza broke out.

He began helping the people within his camp.

Now,

If you think about a show called MASH,

Definitely aging myself here,

They had a certain bed,

Right,

In the medics.

So they had this bed,

It had springs.

That's what he had to work with.

And that is how he started to make the first pieces of equipment and design them with the springs.

Thus,

We have our spring work.

So during this time and influenza broke out,

The short story is that no one in his camp got sick.

He was giving them all of his contrology method later to become Pilates.

So at that point,

The Hamburg military police found out about him,

Wanted to speak to him,

Wanted him to do work with them.

And again,

The short story is,

Is he really wanted no part of that and hopped a boat from Germany to the United States on the boat,

Met his wife,

Well,

A woman who became his wife,

Who was a nurse and so on and so forth.

And so then he was off the boat in New York City and brought it to the United States and then began,

His brother worked with him to help him design the equipment.

Because there is mat work,

Then there is equipment work.

And his original equipment was all based so that you could have a table in your house that turned into what we call a Pilates chair.

You could have a sofa that turned into your bed.

He really,

And even in all his books,

He quoted himself as being at least 50 years ahead of his time and had in some ways predicted the downfall of our physical world,

Of our physical world and how that would affect our physical bodies.

And has truly believed,

You know,

With his work down to,

He teaches you how to shower and how to breathe and all of the things.

And that's why it weaves so much of yoga and the true Pilates method.

It's very flowy.

And that's why I always say a lot of the classes that I do,

I call them Pilates fusion,

Because it definitely has that fusion to it.

And I think that it's important to have the classical movements while still fusing where he originated them from.

And I,

Because I really feel that that's who he was.

He was an inventor and an inventor.

He always wanted to work with the body and better the body.

And while yes,

I do feel he solely would be doing his original work now,

He would have adapted that as our lives have adapted over the years.

Really well put.

I appreciate that.

You know,

And it's maybe a little bit ironic that the decline of the physicality at the same time we see more and more people there,

They don't have their bereft of spirituality.

It's just all physical,

Physical things.

And you know,

Get as much as I can while I can,

Because that's it.

After I'm dead,

I'm dead and gone,

You know,

Which is really ridiculous in my,

Like we see things being born and dying all around us and continuing on and cycling.

And we have the hubris to think,

Oh,

I'm immune to that.

Like that process isn't going to happen to me.

So anyway,

I thought that was an interesting way to put it.

So what about the core though?

Like how did he discover why that was so important or why is it so important to you?

So the core is so important.

So our main core,

And when I say that our method stems from your core,

That is your true abdominal area.

That is your true core.

So when you think about nine times out of 10,

If you were in a gym,

The exercises that you're doing,

They are working on what you see.

With Pilates,

We work on the innermost muscles.

And when you work on the innermost muscles,

You're automatically working those larger muscles that are on the outside that you do see.

So I would say it's a two for the price of one.

More importantly,

It gets to that root cause.

It gets to the core of the core.

And when you start there,

Because nine out of 10 people have back issues right there,

We can alleviate that pain.

We can alleviate that tension that's going on and help improve the posture without me even saying,

I'm going to work on your gait today.

It sort of comes back to that idea of some people just want to say that they're doing Pilates and I'm okay with that because you're going to come in and you're going to do your Pilates and I'm going to do my magic.

And that's where,

You know,

That beautiful blend happens.

And then you're like,

Oh my God,

I feel so much better and I feel taller and oh my goodness,

My clothes are different.

We do have that true guarantee after 10 sessions,

Like you are feeling better,

More confident in your body.

Your mental state has began to shift.

After 20 sessions,

You truly notice your body changing.

Inches,

The whole nine yards,

Your clothes are fitting differently,

You're walking better.

Life is better.

You're not in so much pain.

And after 30 sessions,

You have your Pilates body.

You have your new body.

Whatever that is,

However you came in,

Whether that was for rehab,

For weight loss,

Whether that was just to be a better human being,

That's what you have.

And so I always say ideally,

Someone wants to be practicing twice a week,

Three times a week is phenomenal if you can do that.

And with Joe,

He believed you could do it every day.

And he did do it every day.

And you know,

It's definitely something that when I'm good,

I'm good.

And when I'm not,

I at least,

You know,

Am getting in my three days a week.

But it is something that you can do every day.

You can't overdo it because you're always working with your body's weight,

Your body's strength.

And that also makes it very special and very different when you look at the true essence of the classical method.

When we jump into some of the other franchises and clubs that are out there,

They're very different because they're coming from more of a gym aspect of working muscle and strength.

And yes,

Pilates is about that.

But first and foremost,

It's about aligning body,

Mind,

And spirit.

And through that,

We strengthen and lengthen and tone the body.

We don't start,

The true classical method does not start with the other thing.

It's not to say that you may not,

Someone may not enjoy the other ones.

And if that's your first opportunity to entertain Pilates,

By all means,

Go for it.

You know,

It's going to give you this essence of wanting to know more.

And that's what I love about all these other different modalities that have jumped up and add the word Pilates to their places.

And you know,

I always look at there is no competition.

There is great marketing and I appreciate everyone's marketing the word because it keeps it in the front line just like it would for a yogi.

Well,

That's cool that you have such an open mind about it.

I know some people can be really upset about copyright infringements and yada,

Yada,

Yada.

And it reminds me kind of this old saying,

Fake it till you make it,

Even though I kind of have problems with that.

And it's not the greatest way to put it,

But like you're saying,

Like a gateway,

What gets you into it,

What gets you interested,

And then you can find out more of the real thing and what is kind of the better fit for wherever you're at,

Whatever you want kind of thing.

So I was going to say,

Please,

Please.

Sorry.

I love that you use the word gateway because that's something that I always say about my clients.

Pilates is the gateway drug to my world.

You think you're coming to me for Pilates and the next thing you know,

The Reiki healing is going on.

You're having your intuitive reading.

We're doing a business energetic imprint for your,

You know,

For your business to help shift things.

And it truly,

You know,

For me,

It came at a time where I felt like the universe said,

If we don't stop her now,

Like this isn't going to bode well for her life because I truly was programmed.

I was truly in the system of go to college,

Get your job,

Get,

You know,

All my friends were having fun in their 20s and I'm climbing the corporate ladder with a 401k and blah,

Blah,

Blah,

Blah.

And that car accident literally changed everything about my world.

And so no matter what I get my hands into as a serial entrepreneur,

Pilates is always my heart and soul.

Everything I do comes through it.

The Reiki energy,

It's coming through now.

It's just there.

Like you just it doesn't not exist with everything that I do.

And that's why I look at it and say it's the true essence of it.

Even for Joseph Pilates,

He was a true healer.

And when you're working,

You know,

And yogis are true healers.

And so it's just so special to be able to bring that to light for so many people around the world,

Regardless,

Again,

Of why they think they're doing it.

It's a it's a good transition point.

I want to ask you a little bit more about the accident.

And I mean,

I think was kind of similar.

I haven't really been open and forthright with my story because I don't feel it's applicable to so many at this time.

But,

You know,

There's these things where it is a classic story in some sense,

Where at least I felt like I was so kind of off course for where I needed to be,

That there had to be something that just stopped me in my tracks.

I had to get off one train before I got on another.

And I don't look down on anybody that has chosen,

You know,

What society has ready for them,

You know,

The house,

The wife or husband,

The car,

The kids,

The vacation,

The retirement plan,

You know,

The eat,

Sleep,

Repeat.

And,

You know,

It's it works for some people.

And I'm happy that it does,

But it doesn't work for everybody.

I found out that I'm glad that I went through what I went through in order to to to to know that there's more to life than just that for some people.

So I'm interested to know your take on this,

Too,

Because it would be nice for one day to get to a point where we don't really need these extremes,

You know,

To have expanding consciousness.

But after they happen,

We look back on them and we can say,

Oh,

Well,

Actually,

This was a great gift,

Right,

That I've been given here and at the same time not use it as an allowance for people who do have really like dark.

I would just say maybe even evil intents to say,

Oh,

Hey,

You know,

I'm just playing this role here.

And the more I can make you suffer and have a hardship on your life,

Then it's for your own good,

Which is ridiculous.

You know,

It's kind of psychopathic,

Sadistic and gives them kind of this false allowance to behave in the way they do because then they could twist it back and say,

Oh,

I was just treating you that way because it's for your own good,

Which is B.

S.

However,

That it's weird because there is something to this.

In retrospect,

It seems to me that we can use it as a gateway,

Again,

The word for for awakening and for for well-being and wellness,

Too.

So,

I mean,

You can relate a little bit of that,

Whatever you'd like.

And then how do you view or how do you kind of respond and see what I just said to this notion that maybe someday we won't need such extremes like this to become awake?

And I see it in some people in some generations,

You know,

And I would just maybe attribute it to past lives that they've they've had strong,

What's it called in Buddhism,

Parami,

The perfections or things they've been working on in past lives have now come to fruition in a different way.

That's it's just such a complex weave of causes and conditions.

It's really hard for a lot of us to know all the intricate details.

In fact,

It can be quite maddening to try to contemplate all the ins and outs of that vast mystery.

But yeah,

Truly.

I mean,

Truly.

And great questions,

Because I think right now it's very pertinent,

You know,

In our world.

And I would say world,

I truly believe that our worlds have split.

And I truly believe that there are people that are in one world where they do see.

Color.

For color,

Decolor,

12D,

Whatever you want to call it,

And I do believe there is another world that is very black and white,

And to me,

Black and white is is accounting,

Doctors,

Lawyers,

It's all that kind of stuff,

And there's nothing wrong with any of those people.

The way the worlds differ are how our hearts are expanding.

You and I had a little tidbit about this,

Like I really don't resonate anymore with social media.

I never really have.

I've always been guiding my clients.

I've been for the last seven years.

Get your businesses off of them.

Here's what you need to do and here's why.

I couldn't always explain it,

But that's what was the channel message coming through.

And now it makes sense.

So I do believe that for some people there doesn't need to be a car accident,

A major health crisis,

Or so on and so forth.

I will say,

Though,

That for 99.

9% of every intuitive empath,

Old soul that I know,

It is that way.

And it's not just a one time thing.

Oh,

By the way,

Everyone,

If you're just like,

Woo,

Got that one out of the way.

No,

By the way,

There's more.

And because you have to think about this,

This is earth and it's called the school of earth.

So it's earth school.

So you're always learning.

You're ever growing.

That's why you're here.

That's why you chose to be here.

And so within that,

There are moments and there are lessons.

And in every lesson,

I do believe there is a blessing in everything when we can take a moment and really say,

Instead of why is this happening to me?

How is this happening for me?

And again,

Those are not easy things.

Those do take moments and sometimes a little bit longer to be able to do that.

But you can do that.

And there is more light in the world with people who are doing that now.

There are more people who are looking and saying,

I want community.

I want to talk to you.

I don't want a smartphone.

I mean,

When you look at,

You know,

I'll give you like my,

I don't know if you want to call it predictions or whatever.

I've said it the last few years.

As we get into 2026,

It is going to be,

It's reversing.

It is back to human and human.

It is back to analog.

It is a lot of people tossing out their smartphone for a dumb phone.

It is people getting out into nature more and understanding,

You know,

That,

Call it an awakening,

You know,

To some extent,

Yes,

It's,

It's been bubbling since 2020.

It's just now hitting a peak where so many people are looking at it and you don't have to look at it as an awakening.

You can just look at it as I'm so done with what's no longer working for me and I'm shifting and that's okay.

You know,

You don't have to put certain words to it.

You don't have to make it wooey.

You don't have to,

You know,

My world is a little wooey,

But you know what?

I don't like that word and I still very much like A plus B to equal C.

You'll hear me say that all the time.

Do I have a life-size unicorn in my home?

I do and I love her.

But at the same time,

I still firmly like to have my feet planted on the ground.

So I am that person who is going to come to you,

Who's going to be very direct and say,

Look,

Yes,

We have these two worlds and you can dabble in them both.

Just know that there are going to be some people who are only going to stay in their world and at that point that comes to that position of needing to meet every person where they are and having grace for every person because everyone is going through something.

Everyone collectively is going through what we're all seeing play out a movie that we're not getting paid to be in.

We try to get out of it and the next thing you know,

You're pulled back in.

You forgot your popcorn.

It just is what it is.

And we just have to be able to smile,

Go with the flow and go,

OK,

Good to know.

You know,

I would say my my guides always,

You know,

They bring me information that I need to know and then it's up to me what I choose to do with that and how I'm guided to work with that.

Other than that,

Yes,

I want to stay in my happy world and let me buff a crystal and,

You know,

Do a reiki distant healing session and just be by the ocean and in nature.

I want to say hi to every person.

And so I probably got off on a tangent in there somewhere.

But that's really where I do believe that.

Yes,

I I have been tossed into some significant spiritual awakenings that I always say.

Clearly,

I was drunk as a skunk when I when I signed that contract.

There is no way,

You know.

And then a very,

Very bright person once said to me,

You know,

At some point you sat there and you looked at the scroll.

It's what I want to believe.

I want to believe it was a scroll.

And I went.

Holy sweet Jesus,

Holy sweet.

There must have been something so flipping amazing towards the end of that scroll that I was like,

Sign a sister up.

I mean,

I don't care about the toxic family.

I don't care about the narcissist abuse.

I don't care about the car accident.

I don't care about the heart surgery.

I don't care about being thrusted into all of these phoenixes where I have nothing and I'm coming up from the ashes again because that looks amazing.

Well,

You know,

There is that I'm very familiar with this notion in certain spiritual circles and I can see it and I'm open to it because I can't prove it otherwise until I can see and know it for myself.

Then I can't I can't write it off for sure.

So I definitely consider that as a possibility.

At the same time,

I'm like,

Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah.

It's I think that our human experience,

We want to have meaning and understanding,

You know,

And it seems like in retrospect,

This is one way we can do it to make have things make sense.

So they're not just like we feel a victim of circumstance or like,

Why is this happening to me and have this,

You know,

Helplessness and stuff like that.

But it's just it's so complex.

And I mean,

There are,

I'm sure,

Some wise people that can see and know,

You know,

I tend to lean more towards the karma side of it,

Karma that skillful actions usually will have skillful results.

But even that is so complex and there's so many conditions that are involved that if the conditions aren't there,

Certain things won't fruit.

But and then it depends who we're associated with and things like this.

So it's a very complex thing,

No matter how it the thing with the contracts,

I'm wondering,

And it can be explained away or not explained away,

But explained in a way conceptually,

It's like,

Why do we choose to forget?

And there's some people who don't.

There's some people that come in having it.

They're rare,

But I've at least heard some people I know,

Whether it's legitimate or not,

That seem to have almost lots of past life recall that they can know more lucid detail what they've done in previous lives and how one thing there is now conditioning and leading to causes here and this and that.

So and people talk about this in regression,

Too.

But that's a whole nother thing where I have a lot of questions with Michael Newton's books,

Too.

But anyway,

That's maybe for another time.

But what was I getting at with this?

It's like the yeah,

Now I completely lost the thread here,

But I'm sure you have something to say on this anyway right now.

Well,

I think that and I agree with you because it's not to say and I want people to it's not to say that,

You know,

During why do we choose to forget?

That's what it was.

Why do so many people forget?

But some people don't choice.

Yeah,

Exactly.

I don't believe I want to be a choice because from what I from what I everything that I've studied and everything that I have learned.

And this is this is a really empowering moment and somebody's going to go,

Oh,

But I want you to hear it.

Earth is like the hardest place to come to.

And we all chose to come here.

Not only did we choose to come here.

We chose to come here during the times that we have experienced.

And I just want to just since 2020,

Y'all,

We we agreed to come and experience all of this.

We're all nuts,

But we're also all bad asses and we also are all empowered and we also all said,

I got this and I can do that.

Now,

It has not always felt that way in my life.

There are moments where I have sat here and cried and kicked and screamed and I have had my moments of why me?

Why now?

Why this?

Whatever.

And I give myself those moments.

And that's what I want people to know.

It's moments.

I don't allow myself to sit there for a day.

I mean,

I'm talking moments and I got this from a Navy SEAL.

They allow themselves 90 moments to be as happy and glorified and whatever,

And they allow themselves 90 seconds of despair,

Anger,

Whatever it is.

Now.

It is a human experience.

I sometimes get go over the 90 seconds.

But I do rein it in.

I want to say,

However,

I do rein it in and I go,

OK,

Did I get that out of my system because I don't want personally to hold crap in my body?

Because then what happens?

It turns into dis-ease,

Which ultimately turns into disease.

And I don't want you to.

And I want you to know that there is nothing that you need to hold on to to sit in.

That's not why you're here.

It's supposed to go through you.

Observe,

Grab the lesson.

Thank you.

Check that off my list.

On to the next one.

That blessing.

I'm not that really nice person.

Oh,

My gosh,

I reconnected with that family member.

I wouldn't have other.

Oh,

My.

You know,

There is something.

There's always something.

And it's up to us to take those moments.

And I feel that now as a collective society in one world,

We absolutely are doing that.

And I think that the other world is,

You know,

They have their moments.

There are people that absolutely are not and they're not going to.

And that's OK.

That's their journey.

And it's hard for for some of us to really understand that,

But we have to go step back and go.

It's not all about me.

Right.

All of us here are lighthouses.

Lighthouses don't get up and chase the boat.

A lighthouse stands here and shines and you attract people in.

And you have to remember that some of those people are going to continue on.

And that's OK.

And then there's going to be some people that you need to show that that river keeps going.

They need to keep going.

But you are the lighthouse and you stand there and you're amazing.

And that's what I feel a lot of people know.

It's not that they've forgotten.

There's so much crap coming at us every moment of every day.

I mean,

I don't know about you,

Josh,

But I've now won.

I don't watch news.

I don't do any of that stuff.

I'm guided to find out what I need to know for whatever reason that may be,

Whether that's weather or geographic,

Because I am that person who is the weather earth kind of girl.

But other than that,

Like I kind of I know this is not terrible,

But I kind of laugh at some things going on right now because it's so fake to me.

It's to me,

It's beyond obvious and fake that I'm like,

They're not even trying to hide it anymore.

No,

No,

No.

And you all know what we're talking about.

But like,

Was there a time where,

You know,

I was firmly situated and I had a pantry that my mom could come grocery shopping in?

Absolutely.

But not out of fear.

It was out of I want to take care of my house and home and also let that be my temple,

My body.

If God guided me to do that again,

I would do it again.

I love watching these people can stuff and do stuff,

But I'm not.

I have been on a journey of journeys these last three years that only now is is some of it even beginning to make sense to me.

And I'm understanding,

Oh.

This this wasn't this wasn't all about me.

I actually,

When I look back now,

Can see why I was from place to place and not having home and showing up in other people's lives where I thought they were showing up in mine.

It was actually the quite reverse.

And,

You know,

Wow.

I really need to sit down and write a book about all that.

It really just the other day,

I was like,

Holy mackerel.

And do now do I see it coming to an end where I'm,

You know,

Being guided to,

You know,

Home in essence of I don't have to,

You know,

Keep flying all around?

Well,

Yeah.

And I'm very much in that stage now because my my girlfriend is Danish and I have to leave every three months.

So then I'm in the UK.

And then then I'm back here in America.

And then I was in South Korea and yada,

Yada,

Yada.

But I want to go back to really emphasizing that point about allowing yourself time to express because it's we don't want to repress or suppress,

But we also don't want to keep perpetuating it.

Then it will create a reinforcing habit pattern where they get some kind of satisfaction for doing that.

Or,

You know,

Or like you're saying,

It gets deep into the body and causes problems.

So that's why I love meditation,

Because you can sit there and feel it completely and allow it to just dissolve and pass through and without causing any harm to myself or others.

So it's a great methodology.

I like what you said about going through.

I'm wondering about this forgetting,

Though,

That I mentioned.

I wonder if it's just trauma of maybe even a human birth or why?

And I want to ask you,

Because this seems so important.

I mean,

You went through a traumatic car accident.

But in general,

I mean,

I think even just being born into this world in some sense is some degree of trauma.

And then it almost just goes up from there.

So and I'm so disheartened by people who claim that it is some part of me just doesn't want to accept that it can't the certain trauma can't be healed from.

So I don't know your so that it's hard for me to accept.

I understand that some of it is so severe and some people say we can just manage it and deal with it.

But I I'm not really trauma informed,

So to speak,

Or whatever.

But I'm very fascinated with this because it's a huge issue that I think ripples through the collective.

And if there is there's extreme abuse and trauma for one,

Then since we're all interconnected,

What kind of effect that has?

At the same time,

There is polarity.

So we have the opposite end of someone you're talking about,

Like in us that are lighthouses.

And I love this notion of just really kind of contemplating and seeing that we don't have to be do or even say anything or even be any particular way to have that light here and anchored and be of benefit.

And so everything else is just it goes up from there.

So,

Yeah,

I guess I want to get your on trauma and then also just how to interact.

I wouldn't want to call muggles because one of the challenges I have is looking down on people who aren't awake.

I mean,

In the past,

It really bothered me.

But now I realize,

No,

My place is like equanimity.

You know,

People are responsible for their own actions.

And even though I care,

I can't make their choices for them.

I can't live their life for them.

But what I need to do is take responsibility for how I behave and speak and act towards them.

And what can I do where I don't either step on their journey,

Interfere with it,

But at the same time know I'm there for support when I can and when I'm available and able to.

Right.

And I feel I'm going to start with that because that's a big thing.

And it is a big struggle.

And I think that not everybody understands that you can be disrupting someone else's journey and now they're not learning what they need to learn.

So the damn pattern is going to happen over and over again.

And I can speak to that very,

Very closely because I early on definitely would like come in like a steamroller and be like,

Here's what we need to do.

Here's how it can be fixed.

Like,

I mean,

That's because of how I grew up in so much trauma.

And so always being the fix it,

Always being that empath that just knew like,

OK,

Like everything needs to have its place.

This is what we do.

And it takes a lot to understand that actually the more you step back and the more you allow space between that allows growth,

The more healing you do on yourself.

Healing,

By the way,

Can be going for walks in the morning.

It does not have to be lying down with a shaman in the middle of,

You know,

India.

It doesn't.

And that's something I want people to know,

Too.

It doesn't have to be that way.

Healing is very different for each and every human being.

Even the way we talk to ourselves,

Right?

I mean,

Very don't write it off as insignificant because it has a cumulative effect.

Every little thing can possibly add up.

Everything can be healing.

Everything that you put into your body,

Every I mean,

There's a podcast in itself.

But,

You know,

The essence of something that you asked about in every I want.

This is what I want to hit on,

Which is I'm going to kind of weave everything together that you were talking about,

Is that every time you do something for yourself and that is a healing essence for yourself.

Honestly,

Every time you practice meditation,

Go to yoga,

Go to Pilates and you truly are getting connected to your body,

Mind and spirit.

That is a healing moment for you.

You then are the ripple effect energetically to all of the people around you within your family,

Your animals,

The people.

Now it gets better.

Not only are you a ripple effect to those people in the here and now,

Every time you are healing and you are releasing,

You are allowing that for,

I believe,

Correct me if I'm wrong,

It's seven generations back of ancestors who aren't even on this earth anymore.

Some even say seven future generations,

Too,

And that's mind boggling.

Ooh,

That gives me,

That gives me goosebumps.

And I would believe that,

Right?

Because I look at it as in every family,

There's always that one.

You're you're the cycle breaker.

It stops there.

I happen to be that person.

The buck has stopped here.

It is not something that,

Well,

I didn't think I asked for it,

But clearly somewhere along the lines,

I did.

And it just I have ridden that wave lots of different ways.

And you will,

Too,

If it is you and you will decide what is best for you along the ways.

But when you realize that,

Gosh,

Every time I work on myself,

Like I can feel my grandmother and my grandfather being like,

We're so proud of you.

We got you.

Thank you for helping us.

Thank you for releasing whatever that was,

You know,

That we the burdens there.

Right.

It's so in depth with all of it.

You know,

You think that you're not a good entrepreneur and that money never comes to you easily.

What if it was something from three generations ago that was a block?

Hello.

Like this is just things you're called to work on.

It doesn't mean if you're doing all of the things,

Then let's look at a broader aspect of it.

And that's something that,

You know,

I do believe that healing is there.

I do believe that there are so many modalities.

I do believe that whatever you have been through,

Whether it is physically,

Whether it is emotionally or mentally,

That yes,

If you want healing,

If you want to move on from it,

You can't.

I'm not saying that it's gone forever.

I mean,

I've been through a lot.

It is there.

I am aware of it.

It does not run my world anymore.

And that's the key.

So I wholeheartedly believe no matter what it is physically,

Mentally,

Emotionally,

That there is healing to be had.

Yeah,

I can't imagine that.

God,

Jesus,

The Dalai Lama,

Whomever you believe in,

I,

You know,

It just we're not meant to be here to be in pain and be unhappy.

We're meant to be happy to live good lives.

Well,

We can and it is possible.

That's right.

And I like your kind of framing of this.

Instead of me going to the absolute of it can never be totally that it's possible to heal.

And that's I like that direction because then I don't have to get into these,

You know,

These extremes or absolutes around that.

And maybe honestly,

You don't want to.

Yeah,

I know people who are afraid to seek out help because they believe that if they get help,

They're going to end up in a loony bin because of the depths of everything they feel that they've been through.

When in fact,

It's quite the opposite.

The moment that you go in and you are able to start this process of healing and you allow yourself to be free of these emotions,

Whatever this is,

The stuff people have said to you,

That's when you're free.

You can be free of all of this.

The disease,

The disease,

The angst,

All of it.

Look,

We're not saying it's easy.

It's not.

This is an everyday thing.

Are you going to be triggered?

Yes.

And here's why.

Triggers aren't bad.

Shadows aren't bad.

They're there to let you know the stuff that you still have to work on,

That I still have to work on.

And then when that doesn't do it anymore,

By the way,

There's going to be something else because you're still here and you're still living and you're still walking on this earth.

Well,

That's that's well put.

And I tell people the same thing.

Usually,

You know,

I'm glad to be triggered because then I can.

It's like finding my blind spots in a way.

Now,

There's another thing that comes in here that I've heard another teacher say that I that I wonder about,

Too,

Is it was really into healing for a long time.

Then then has this kind of notion of,

Well,

If you kind of,

Oh,

You like healing,

Well,

We'll give you something to heal.

You know what I mean?

So like is saying that,

OK,

At a certain time,

Where does the healing?

Like you said,

There is potentially no end to it.

So I can see that's OK.

Then we're just kind of in for long haul.

But what if there's a different view or perspective or what if our view and perspective of that is actually perpetuating even more of it?

And I don't know.

But I wonder about that.

Like if really putting a huge emphasis on healing and a healing journey,

Well,

Then what happens when I don't have anything to heal?

And then maybe I'm over identifying with healing.

And so then maybe I'm either attracting that or having a cognitive bias towards that.

And I wonder about that.

I was like,

Wow,

That's that's really interesting.

I wonder if there's anything to that.

And I don't know how to really go around it or how to address that.

I think I have a I have a story to share about a client who and let's see.

I feel like there's something here.

So this client had always associated being X,

Y and Z cancer patient forever.

Came to me,

Was attracted to me energetically and had heard some things that I was able to help some people and thought,

OK,

Great.

So we start working together.

And there was one day and all of my work,

By the way,

Is generally distant.

It's never in person.

That's how I've been guided to do all my work.

I don't need you here.

You know what?

You probably don't want to be here.

I don't want you here.

I want you to be where you're most comfortable.

So we worked for halfway around the world.

And one day we got off the phone and I just said the cancer's gone.

Holy cow.

Like I felt that it was gone.

And I was like,

Wow,

That was an amazing session.

That was so amazing.

And I continued working with this person and they came back and they said,

I think we need to do like three sessions this week,

Like something really bad is happening.

And I said,

Oh,

My God,

What happened?

All of my scans are clear.

And I went,

What?

My skin,

I don't something's really wrong here.

Like there is nothing my you know,

The numbers aren't there.

This isn't there.

That isn't there.

And I'm doing like you.

I'm over here like Halloween is amazing.

But that scared this human being so much because that's all that they've been told that they are.

That's all they know.

They only know those support groups.

They only know that.

They only know if I.

Holy crap,

They want to take me off the drug.

Oh,

My God,

What do I do?

And that in and of itself became a different healing journey.

Now,

There's two roads that this begins to take.

This begins to take the road where we now are going to align body,

Mind and spirit,

And we're going to be OK,

Because we're now in fight or flight.

The ego is trying to take over and go,

Oh,

My God,

We're not safe.

What has happened?

We can choose to go down that road and work on that and understand that,

Oh,

My gosh,

That really wasn't who I was at all.

Here's what I learned from it.

How amazing.

I have a story to share.

Turn my pain into passion.

All of the things right.

Or there's another road.

One has become so attuned with this identity that you're going to call the identity back.

And I won't share what happened with this person.

However,

It didn't exactly go the way I wanted it to go.

But but but the wisdom that came from that exactly in the wisdom that came from that,

You know,

Of like,

OK,

There's these kind of two different roads that can happen.

And that's helpful for people going through a healing journey for healers to know this fork in the road,

You know,

And to see that ahead of time and be prepared for that.

Yeah.

And that was a hard one.

That was a really hard one for me on an intuitive healer level,

Knowing like,

My gosh,

Like there's there's so much like and I don't look at it as this is something that I've done.

I'm here as your lighthouse,

As your toolbox.

I'm giving you everything.

And this is you.

This is you allowing this to to to transpire within your body,

Within your mind,

Within your spirit.

And so it is very hard.

And I I think that's an extreme scenario.

But I want people to know that if you take that back to your house,

To your home,

To your partner,

To your mother,

Father,

Whomever,

Sometimes you just have to let it be.

Because they are who they are.

It shows really the importance of identity,

Too,

That what we're identifying with is very important and can be very powerful.

You know,

Good and bad.

When can we put it down?

When can we pick it up?

How much are we clinging to what we're identifying with?

And how much is that helpful or not?

And how do we live?

What if we don't know,

You know,

The fear of the unknown?

Who am I without this?

You know,

It scares it,

Frightens people to death,

You know,

Like an ego death or,

You know,

Not knowing what to do.

And I think this is why helping being open,

But also having friends is is so helpful to and associating with the wise is also very incredible,

Too.

And it shows,

I think,

Our expectations as well.

You know,

Here we were expecting,

Oh,

They'd be so happy.

It's great.

You know,

Wow,

What a win,

You know,

Celebrate.

But then all of a sudden,

Wait a second.

It's not what I expected to happen.

Wow.

How about that?

What do I do with that?

This reminds me,

If I can share another one,

It actually kind of just dropped in.

And I thought,

I don't know that I want to share that.

And they were like,

No,

It makes me cry.

They're like,

No,

Share this one.

So there's someone who's very close to me.

And we have spent many lives together.

Including this life and definitely shared a big piece of my heart,

And this person ended up getting very ill.

And we were always very close.

And didn't share it with me.

And it was very,

Very difficult to find out from a third party that this person was so ill and so sick in knowing who I am and knowing what I could do to help.

And so when we were able to connect,

We connected.

And this person had gone through hell and back again with their cancer story and chose to reach out when they were what they thought on the other side.

And then we found out there was something else.

And I said,

It's OK.

You know what?

Like there's all this,

You know,

And God bless this person.

He was so funny.

He would say he's like,

You're such my little gypsy.

I believe in all that,

All that crazy stuff you believe in.

I totally believe in all of it.

I'm like,

Great.

It doesn't have to come from me.

Like,

Here's I'm giving you everything you could ever imagine to work with.

It doesn't have to come from me.

And this person went very quiet and I was very,

Very hurt.

We you know,

We had just suddenly the world had come back around.

We were planning our lives together.

And this person went very quiet.

And I was so angry and I was so hurt.

And I later found out that it was much worse than this person had anticipated,

And they didn't want me to be a part of it.

And I share this part because this is really,

Really,

You know,

Equally is tearing at your heart as a human for someone in your life versus someone just being a client.

I want people to understand both sides of it.

And this was so devastating to me because here I am knowing,

Knowing what I can do,

Knowing what I.

And I had to be OK with this person choosing this path,

And I had to be OK with letting go because that's what they were choosing.

Because at this point,

Life had gotten too hard.

And that was one of one of the harder things.

I've been through quite a few hard things with people close to me.

That was so hard for me to go through and then to be shut out at the end.

Again,

Being told,

I don't want you to go through this with me.

Was very challenging.

And it's so funny because he's here in spirit and he's like,

Oh,

My God,

Will you please stop blubbering and get to the good stuff?

And the good stuff is that when I received the call that he had passed.

I just fell to my knees.

It was,

You know,

To me,

I had lost that person that you always thought was going to be a person in this world.

And this is something that I want people to know.

Some people are told you can't connect with people for months or a certain time after they pass.

And that's not true.

Oh,

My God,

There's not coming out of my nose.

He literally showed up that night for me and said to me,

I had to let my body go.

If I didn't let it go,

I wouldn't be able to come back for you.

And it was so devastating.

But yet calming at the same time,

And I knew what he meant.

I mean,

At first I was like in the 3D world,

Like,

Oh,

My God,

You're coming back.

Like,

Oh,

My God,

Are you going to show up tomorrow?

And it wasn't that it's very different.

It is actually much better than that now.

But I want people to understand that when we have these gifts and when you are gifted,

Yes,

I believe that gifts are here and we should be sharing them.

And we've been given them for a reason.

So find a way that feels comfortable to you to give them.

But I want you to know the other side,

Too,

That it is hard.

And again,

There were lessons and blessings that came out of all of that.

And it isn't easy when you're so gifted.

And I think people think that it is.

And it's not easy.

You still have to play in the 3D world.

And you still are very much affected by things that go on in people's worlds.

And so,

Again,

It comes back to is there ability for any,

I truly believe,

Human being to go through healing to the point of which they choose to?

Yes.

Is there also a point where that person may say no more?

Absolutely.

And that is their journey.

And the other piece,

And this is one that I struggle with,

And I don't know if you believe in this,

Josh.

I really struggle with this one that not only do we all have that contract and all the stuff that we signed up for,

But that we also have already picked how,

When,

Where we exit our life suit.

We exit this physical body.

And I struggle with that one a lot.

That one's hard for me.

Some yogis actually know and can determine and choose when they go.

Some people are at that level.

So,

You know,

There's that at least,

For sure.

Because I've heard countless stories,

Not countless,

But plenty of stories where there's advanced yogis that can choose the time and place of how they go.

You know,

They'll tell their students,

No,

I'm going this,

Then,

You know,

Get ready because I'm going now,

You know.

Yeah.

Which,

I mean,

Don't we all want to be that much at peace with the world and in ourselves at that point?

Like,

I want to be at that peace.

I don't,

I'm not afraid.

I remember when I went in for my heart surgery,

Which is something I don't talk about ever.

I remember,

I don't remember going in and being scared.

I didn't want it.

I did everything I could to avoid it.

But I didn't want it.

I remember cracking jokes with the surgeon in there,

And he was like,

I can't even believe you just said that.

And I'm like,

I can't either.

It's almost like another body.

Who says that kind of craziness before you go into this kind of a surgery?

But,

You know,

There's all these things that are in our worlds and why we experience them.

And I do believe that everything that we experience is something that we can share with someone else later on in our lives that we don't know about now that is going to serve a purpose.

Again,

Turning your pain into a purpose for someone else,

Maybe for yourself.

And it's hard to look at things that way.

It's hard to connect that way.

But I think the more that we can do that and say,

OK,

Everything does happen for a reason.

Yeah,

It definitely doesn't happen randomly in my experience.

There's no such thing as randomness.

That's for sure.

I'm more convinced on that,

Too.

The purpose we can give at least afterwards,

Right?

Or at least how we're going to view it and how we're going to respond to it,

How we'll hold it.

Yeah.

Thanks so much for sharing that moment.

I mean,

That's going to help a lot of people connect to that.

It reminds me of also not just seeing a loved one standing by and not certain ones that know I cannot do anything for them.

I want to do everything I can for them,

But there's nothing I can do.

And how kind of powerless that feels.

Almost helpless in a way,

Too.

But just know that's,

At least I won't go into details,

But just know that that's a fact of life,

Too.

There are instances where we care and love so deeply and there's absolutely nothing I can do.

And it's hard for me to hold that and be with that and accept that.

But,

You know,

That's just the way it is sometimes.

And that devastation you're talking about,

When I had this teaching and I didn't see it at first,

But then contemplating that devastation can reveal deep truths within us,

You know,

And wow,

Like I would never want to go through some of the devastation.

And at the same time,

The silver lining,

If there is anyone,

Is that it can bring out deep truths.

I don't recommend that.

We can get to deep truths other ways,

But that's one thing it can do.

Oh,

No,

For sure.

For sure.

That's a story.

My gosh,

I don't even know like how or why he showed up and asked me to share that.

I have not.

It's time.

It's obviously time.

I have not.

You're ready and everybody's ready to hear it now,

Too.

And he's ready.

The beauty is that he's with me more now than he's flipping ever been.

And,

You know,

It's your it goes to that saying of you're never alone.

Like,

I love my own company.

I love my two fur babies who are my children and they are my babies.

I never feel alone.

I don't need people.

And it's such a powerful place when you meet somebody who can truly say that.

And I know that you're one of those people to Josh,

You know,

When you have in and you have your partner.

So that's wonderful.

You know,

When when you have that container.

Oh,

That means that whatever gets allowed in that container has to be freaking fantastic to to to be another,

You know,

Microbe in that container.

Very well put.

Yeah.

And yes,

I'm reminded of that time and time again,

Too.

So,

Yes,

Another good reminder.

And I like how you put that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Very,

Very good.

So I appreciate that.

And Jennifer,

Thanks so much for coming on here and having your heartbeat tender and vulnerable and open.

It takes a lot of courage to do that.

And wow,

This is as far as deeper and deeper connections.

This is what's needed.

But to be have that that courage to do that,

You know,

It's just really a rare treat for me,

You know,

And I'm sure the listeners as well.

So,

Yeah,

And it's it's a role model,

Like because what we've gone through where now we're able to help people.

I don't like this word hero,

But like if we've gone through it,

We can then shine for everyone else and help them along,

Too.

We don't have to do it alone all the time either.

Yeah,

Right.

So absolutely.

Well,

So tell people how they can get in touch with you,

How they can work with you,

Kind of what offerings you have in general,

Maybe anything you want to announce that you maybe have in the works,

Anything else you want to draw people's attention to.

And then how about leaving with a final message to them?

Absolutely.

A final message.

I would say,

One,

Thank you so much for sharing your energies in your heart,

Josh.

Thank you.

And thank you to the community for allowing us to come into your energy field and in your heart today.

Thank you for letting me blubber.

It's been a long time,

But apparently with today's new moon energies and the solstice that we have coming in,

Here you have it.

So this is who I am and I don't hold back who I am anymore.

I did for many years.

I lived as a facade and I don't do that anymore.

And I want to let you know and to give you permission today that it is solely okay to be 100% authentically,

Perfectly imperfect you.

So super important.

I really appreciate that.

And once people make that turn to authenticity and honesty,

They'll feel and see the benefits of it and how much more advantageous and natural and just nourishing it feels,

You know,

And helpful too.

So I can't echo that enough.

So thanks again.

And may all beings everywhere realize awakening and be free.

Bye,

Everybody.