Getting Out Of Your Own Way With Jenny Schatzle

Sometimes, the biggest barrier to living up to your values is you. In this real play, fitness instructor and CEO of Bond Fitness, Jenny Schatzle, shares her mission to change diet culture and help moms radically accept their bodies. Diana Hill uses ACT and compassion-focused interventions to help uncover and transform the hidden barriers to making Jenny’s mission a reality.

Transcript

Hi,

I'm Dr.

Diana Hill,

And welcome to the Wise Effort Podcast.

This podcast is about helping you take your energy and put it in the places that matter most to you.

And along the way,

You may need some skills.

Things like psychological flexibility,

Self-compassion,

And compassion are foundational skills in being able for you to take wise effort in your life.

Today is a real play episode.

As promised,

These episodes are sort of like a little behind the scenes of what happens in my therapy office,

Which we are in right now.

Welcome to my therapy office.

And the real play is with Jenny Schatzel.

Jenny Schatzel is a fitness instructor,

Founder of Bond Fitness,

Which is a program here in Santa Barbara,

California.

Jenny is also a mom of two,

And her ideas around body,

Body image,

Fitness,

Diet culture have really changed a lot over the years.

And she's ready to make a shift in her life,

In her career,

To spread some of these messages,

Some of these values that she embodies for herself,

But that she wants to help others embody as well around an anti-diet culture,

Body positivity,

And really inspiring moms to change their relationship with their bodies.

You'll find that in this real play,

I don't really follow a script.

I came in with an idea of what I wanted to do with Jenny.

But when you are a therapist,

You're really just tracking your client and tracking the places where you may find psychological inflexibility,

The places where you think some compassion and self-compassion may be helpful.

And I do a couple of things.

I start out our conversation as a highlighter of values.

I'm listening for Jenny to share about what's important to her,

What brings her vitality,

And it's really clear early on that Jenny has clear values.

Then I pivoted to,

Okay,

Then what's getting in the way?

She so clearly knows what she cares about.

And I identify three main things that tend to get in the way of us living out your values.

You'll listen for those three.

And then I guide Jenny on a visualization,

An inner journey to help access her wisest self,

Her most compassionate self,

To help her out with some of those barriers.

So you'll listen to me guiding her through that.

And that is something that you could do on your own with yourself,

That inner journey,

That compassionate guide.

And then finally,

We kind of wrap things up and start to talk about,

Okay,

How are you going to put this into practice?

What does this look like?

What is it going to be like for you in the next few weeks and years to come to live out these values that she has?

Enjoy this episode with Jenny Schatzel,

And please share it with somebody that you think may benefit.

All right,

On to Jenny Schatzel.

Let's do a two-minute grounding.

I like to ground by first just bringing the outside in,

And we have this beautiful sound of water.

So let's listen to the sound of water.

And then feeling our feet touching the ground,

Our body in the seat.

And then a nice,

Long,

Slow breath,

Really focusing on the exhale.

And then the next time you take a long,

Slow breath,

Allow it to wash through any tension or holding in your body on that exhale.

So washing through your face and your shoulders and your hands and your back.

And then I like to contact my heart and just remember what it is that I'm here for,

What is this in the service of?

And letting that be the focus of our conversation today.

And you can come on back.

Okay.

Cozy on the couch.

Cozy on the couch.

The love seat.

Love seats were really in for a while,

Remember that?

I do.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I like them.

Yeah,

Love seat.

So what are you here for?

What's in the service of?

Okay.

What do I need to work on?

I'm feeling stuck in the sense of career.

That's a big,

Like I have a lot of fear moving forward.

Okay.

Good.

So we're going to work.

I sensed that of you when we were at our fire pit.

I was like,

Oh,

I want to work with Jenny because there's a stuck spot.

And this is like my favorite thing to do with people.

So let's start by you describing,

You have to describe a little bit about who you are and what your career is.

And then the places you're stuck.

And then I have a practice that we can do together that's a good getting unstuck practice.

Okay.

And this whole time,

Like just look at you.

You can look at the camera if you want.

You can look at me.

Whatever you want.

I mean,

Wherever you feel most comfortable.

Okay.

I mean,

The camera is less important.

I actually want this to benefit you.

Okay.

I love it.

And then if it benefits you,

Then it might benefit someone else.

Yeah,

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Look at me.

Whatever you want.

Or look away.

Sometimes we have to look up into the corner when we're talking about ourselves.

Okay.

So where are you stuck?

And tell me about who you are.

Okay.

Well,

I'm Jenny.

And so 10,

I will speak career wise.

I feel like that's why I'm here.

I'm feeling very stuck.

Yeah.

10 years ago,

I started a business with my business partner that I absolutely loved.

I still love.

When we built our business,

Which is a gym in Santa Barbara,

It was just so fun.

It was never about the money.

It was always about building a community,

Doing what we loved,

Which was movement and helping people feel good about themselves.

We started a gym and we always said,

We're not starting a gym.

We're starting a community.

So it was a place where everyone could come feel accepted and belonged.

It was nonjudgmental.

It still is.

Excuse me.

I'm talking like it's past tense.

It still is.

Yeah.

Every age level,

Shape,

Size,

It's not about what you do or what you look like.

It's truly about coming together and feeling good about yourself.

And it was amazing.

And it took off and grew faster than we ever expected.

It was on fire.

That's when I first met you.

It was 10 years ago.

You don't remember me,

But I remember you,

Postpartum,

Dragging mood wise.

And it was such a source of inspiration for me with a little baby at home to have a place to come.

It was,

It is a phenomenal experience that you've created for people.

Thank you.

And this was pre,

Before you had twins.

Before I had children.

And it is funny though.

I do remember you because I remember seeing you telling me,

Obviously you haven't had kids because of all like the jumping and the jumping jacks.

I'm like peeing.

So I actually,

After I had kids,

I remembered that.

I was like,

Oh yeah.

Yeah,

Postpartum.

That's true.

Careful with the jumping jacks.

Yes.

So six years ago I had twins.

And then we also,

We rebranded the gym.

So literally the gym was called the Jenny Schatzel Program.

So it was my name.

It was a lot of my identity.

I've done some work around this.

It was,

It was like my first baby,

You know?

It was,

It was my whole life.

And you know,

I was,

We were working really hard,

Long days,

But it was so fun.

Building the business was the most fun.

And again,

It's still fun.

And but then I had children.

We rebranded.

Yeah.

And now things look very different and we're,

We have an incredible staff.

We've brought on one of our coaches who worked for us almost since the beginning.

We gave him a little part of the business and made him a business partner.

So is that Cheeto?

Yeah,

That's Cheeto.

My favorite.

I know.

He's the best.

We have an incredible staff.

I don't teach nearly as much as I used to.

And I'm really on this mission to help women feel good about themselves in the sense of body image.

And I really want to change the conversation around health.

I think a lot of us,

Especially women in our forties and moms,

We grew up with really toxic messaging around health.

We thought or we were taught that health is being thin.

And a lot of us grew up extreme dieting,

Dieting and binging the all or nothing,

Working out not to feel good necessarily,

But to look good.

And now this term has been coined diet culture,

Which really means what you look like is more important than how you feel.

And so I'm trying to really unravel that.

And you can see it.

So on your social media,

On Instagram,

I was watching,

I don't usually watch,

I don't scroll a lot.

Which is good,

Which is so healthy.

So I was watching some yesterday.

I was like,

I better get up on what Jenny's doing.

And my gosh,

You have one post where you're like eating,

I don't know,

Some kind of Fritos and then you're picking up the quinoa and you're like,

Health is both of this.

It's like,

You're drinking the green juice,

But you're eating the Fritos.

And it's not about kind of busting those rules and ideas about what health is.

And then you jumping in the pool with your girls.

You have so many good,

So I'll just say there's a messaging that is evolving and you're showing in different domains that is coming out.

And then you have this business over here,

Which is part of that messaging,

But I could also see how it's potentially consuming a lot of your time and energy that may be preventing you from putting your energy in this space that your mission,

I mean,

You already have a mission around it that you want to promote.

Okay,

Good.

So you have this mission to help women feel good about themselves,

Body image,

Changing our narrative and the diet culture.

Yes.

I mean,

I really believe in health is such,

It's just,

I believe a lot of us,

Especially women grew up with toxic messaging around health that I don't actually agree with and think is correct.

And I've done it all.

I grew up in this lifestyle.

My family very much,

You can listen to podcasts I've done,

I always talk about this.

My family,

We bonded over dieting and binging.

We dieted together and then on Sundays,

It was our cheat day.

And even when I talk about it,

I get warm inside.

Like it was a bonding moment.

We spent all day watching TV,

Eating all the food we shouldn't.

And so I already had grown up in this.

And then I went into the fitness industry and I did all the things.

Like our program,

When we first started,

If you remember,

I used to weigh people in every six weeks.

Yeah,

Yeah.

There was elements of it that weren't sweet for people.

Yes,

Yes.

I never did those.

Yes.

I always gave people the option,

But I weighed people in.

I gave restricted fat diets.

People would journal their food and give it to me and I'd circle it and cross it and say,

Don't eat this,

Don't eat that.

And I've lived this life.

And so I know that,

To be honest,

It's not sustainable.

And so I saw that.

I saw a lot of moms too,

Before I even had kids,

Coming in and saying,

If I just lost this last 10 pounds,

Then I'd be happy.

And the problem is most of the times when you do lose that 10 pounds,

You're still not happy.

Because it's never enough.

When we're basing our life and our happiness on a number on the scale,

It's just never going to be enough.

Right.

Right.

And now you have two girls.

And now,

And the universe,

God,

Whenever we want to,

I have two girls.

And this started right before I got pregnant,

I should say.

This kind of change.

And we actually changed the business.

We stopped weighing people in,

We stopped giving restrictive diets,

And we really changed our messaging to,

Health is consistency.

Health is longevity.

It's like,

What are we doing on a daily basis to make us feel good?

You don't have to go 110% every single time you're in the gym,

But showing up and moving your body in the way that you feel that day,

That's going to help the rest of the day.

And so really changing the conversation around how we move our bodies,

Health.

And then I have two girls.

And I have stopped dieting.

And I will say,

One part of this problem,

And I think I need to reframe the way that I talk about this a lot,

Is,

And it's also the reality,

It's a lot easier to sell weight loss than it is to sell loving your body and accepting who you are.

And that's just the truth.

Right.

So I want to go there,

Because you clearly have your mission and your passion,

And you could talk about that for the next hour,

And we could do a whole podcast.

Yes.

We could do a whole podcast on that.

And I love it.

I love you.

I also have two boys,

And boys are not immune.

Transgender people are not immune.

People are not immune.

No one's immune anymore now that we have social media,

Especially of these,

You know,

It's just sort of like dialed up.

Like we have diet culture,

But now we have all sorts of other types of culture around what is health.

We have orthorexia.

We have,

You know,

All sorts of things.

People drinking protein drinks to gain weight.

All sorts of things.

And I can't tell you how many,

Just a quick sidebar,

How many parents have been reaching out to me lately about their boys,

About there's this whole TikTok about gaining weight and being muscular and taking,

Like no 14-year-old boy should be taking creatine,

Like this is too early to get into this stuff.

So yes,

Thank you for mentioning that.

It's not just girls.

Yeah.

And your sweet spot is around girls.

My sweet spot is around,

Just for me personally,

Is moms,

Because I believe moms,

You know,

And I am very progressive in a very progressive relationship.

Moms are bringing in the energy though.

We are,

You know,

If a mom has bad body image,

The statistics of their children having bad body image is very high.

Right.

Even if they're saying all the right things,

What they're doing,

The kids pick up on it.

The kids sense it.

You can't hide it.

You cannot hide it.

You cannot hide it.

I can't tell you how many also moms say,

Well,

I don't ever say this in front of my kids.

It doesn't matter.

It's just energy.

Right.

How we feel about ourselves is an energy,

And our children pick up on it.

And we have to really be working on that on a daily basis.

Like,

We're not going to wake up every day and love,

Oh,

I look amazing.

I love my body.

We're going to have bad body image days,

But what I'm trying to do is,

What do you do when that happens?

Yeah.

So usually what I do when I start with people is I get a sense of,

Do they know what their values are?

Help them have a conversation about that.

You are so far down the road of knowing what your values are and where you want to point the direction of your energy.

It's ridiculous.

You're so sure in it,

And I see three things that get in the way of us living out our values.

Three things.

And it comes from psychology,

But it also comes from a lot of other places,

Different places that have talked about these three things.

One is avoidance.

I don't want to feel something.

And the direction of my values is also the direction of feeling that thing.

Whether it's something like anxiety or fear or like an imposter or whatever it is that you're not wanting to feel.

So I'm turning away from the very thing that I want because I don't want to feel something.

So I'm going to ask you about each of these.

The second thing that turns us away from our values is I'm holding on to something.

I'm attached to it,

And in order to move in that direction,

I'd have to let go.

I'd have to let go of something.

I think it's really hard for me to let go of attachment.

So we have avoidance.

We have attachment.

And then the third,

Which is pernicious and also plays out in those other two,

Is a story.

I'm believing a story about myself,

A story that's probably not even mine,

A story about money.

I am full-on believing this story,

An act we call it fusion,

When fused to a belief that's preventing me from taking this leap.

So I imagine each one of those,

Maybe something showed up,

But you're kind of tearing up.

So tell me what came up for you when I described those three.

I mean,

Yeah,

I think I have issues in all three.

Okay.

For sure.

Okay.

So let's break them down.

Avoidance.

I would definitely say I'm avoiding failure.

I have a thing around I don't want to fail.

I think this all maybe is all three of them.

I don't want to fail.

I've had,

How do I put this?

I've had really amazing people in my life come and help me.

Like they've just shown up.

Yeah.

And like my business partner,

Steven.

Yeah.

Because you're an amazing person and amazing people attract amazing people.

This is the thing.

I'm on my couch right now,

Jenny.

That is true.

Because we've attracted each other.

That is true.

Like,

Yeah.

People want to be around you.

You've had amazing people show up.

And what's the story?

And like I can't,

So I feel like I've had a lot of people come in,

Like Steven in particular has come in.

He,

I mean,

Without him,

I wouldn't,

The gym wouldn't have,

I mean,

He kind of helped make it all happen.

Yeah.

And I have a lot of reliance on that.

Like I can't do it by myself.

Like people have to come in.

I think a lot of times I wait for somebody to kind of come in and save me,

If that makes sense.

Mm-hmm.

And so,

Or tell me the answer.

I always say I'm really out of alignment when I'm looking for the answer in other things.

But especially I do,

You know,

Even this next phase of my life,

Steven has said like,

You're the one who has to,

You know,

Put your stake in the ground.

And you know,

If you want to go big with this,

You have to be the one to do it.

And I'm like waiting for him to help me do it.

Right.

If that makes sense.

Right.

So I'm avoiding- So that inner authority,

The sense of like,

I can be the author of this,

I'm the first author of this.

I feel like you're,

You don't trust that.

Yeah.

You don't trust that.

So I need someone to tell me the answer.

I can't do it by myself.

I would put those in the category of self-stories.

Okay.

Avoidance of failure,

But there's more there.

What else are you avoiding?

Is there a fear of what other people will think?

Is there a fear of letting people down?

Is there- I think letting people down,

Not doing it right.

I think not doing it right is a big one.

Yeah.

Letting people down.

Yeah.

It comes,

I keep coming back to like not doing it right.

Yeah.

But then I don't do it at all.

Yeah.

But then you don't do it at all.

Yes.

I'm literally paralyzed.

You told the story of the gym that there's actually some things that you didn't do right when you founded Jenny Schatzel.

That's true.

You just sort of told us.

You just sort of exposed.

I am the anti-diet woman who weighed,

Had people come in and I weighed them.

It's true.

I don't know if you did this,

But I have like a memory of it.

Did you take the pinchers?

Oh yeah.

Did you pinch?

We did the measurements.

We did it all.

Yes,

We did.

I think I ran out of there.

Yes.

Good.

Good for you.

You were ahead of the time.

Yes.

I'm just here to slam some balls.

I don't want you pinching my belly.

That's what I was there for.

Yes.

Thinking about it now.

Yes.

So part of that,

Quote,

Not doing it right early on actually helped with,

Like you needed to go there.

You needed to go through that to understand where I am now,

That it doesn't work.

What about attachment?

I would say even with the gym,

I did a lot of this once we rebranded,

Which was the right thing to do.

And then I had children.

It was a lot of ego.

I did have to let that go.

I have a lot of,

I would say,

I mean,

You can tell me better.

It's probably a lot of ego I've still tried to work through,

Like needing to be busy,

People thinking I'm busy,

You know,

Producing,

Doing.

And then in the same sense,

I always feel like I'm doing nothing.

I never feel like I'm doing enough.

That's another story.

That's another story.

I never feel like I'm doing enough.

Okay.

As you say those things,

I'm just going to reflect back to you about,

And actually maybe you can even close your eyes.

And I may then have you talk to me through this.

So I want you to envision there's like a road and it's a twisty windy road in front of you.

And it's moving in the direction of where you want to go with this.

And the things that I heard you say is you have a mission to help women feel good about themselves,

Changing the narrative,

Changing diet culture,

Moms who are just the center and spreading,

You know,

Something different than what they're spreading around their bodies.

You want community and fun.

I heard those earlier on.

Those were also part of it.

So envision yourself 10 years down the road,

Kids are older,

You're in a different spot in relationship to your career,

And it doesn't have to be all fleshed out,

But I just want you to envision like the colors,

The feelings that all those things,

Could you have a picture of it?

Okay.

Describe it a little bit to me of what it looks like 10 years down the road.

I see I'm on stage and I'm talking to a big group of women.

And what are you noticing about the women as you're talking?

The engagement is really high.

Everybody feels like they are sincerely listening.

It's also fun.

The room is warm.

There's an energy and these women just really want to hear what I have to say.

And can you see yourself,

What you're sort of spreading,

Like what your face,

Your energy,

Your voice,

Your presence looks like?

Yeah.

I'm like on the stage,

But then walk down and like in the crowd,

Again,

Very engaged and just like in my element,

I feel so good about talking about exactly this,

Changing the conversation on health and body image and just women are just needing this.

That's what it feels like.

Okay.

So then I want you to kind of like wind back down,

Wind back,

Wind back along that twisty road.

And I want you to see that along that road,

There are like huge obstacles,

Sort of like how you set up in your fitness classes.

They're like huge.

They're bigger than what?

Than the boxes.

Than the boxes.

And these are the obstacles that are in the way for you.

So one is that feeling of,

I'm not going to do it right.

And the experience of failure,

Which will happen for you and you will have moments of not doing it right.

And let's start with that one.

So I want you to kind of go up along the road and meet that obstacle of failure and I'm not going to do it right.

And then I want you to take that,

That Jenny that's 10 years down the road and I want her to come and meet you,

A woman,

A mom,

And I want her to coach you around that obstacle.

So have that Jenny come up to you,

Let her see you,

Let her love you in the same way that she loves all those women in that audience,

She loves you,

Let her inspire you.

And if there's anything that she tells you,

You can take it in,

You can say it out loud,

You don't have to say it out loud,

Okay.

Now she's going to come with you to the next one.

So we're going down the road and you hit another one.

And this one is you feeling really alone,

I can't do this by myself,

I need someone to tell me the answer.

And this Jenny is with you.

And again,

She sees you and she either tells you something or offers you something or has some advice,

But let her respond,

I can't do it by myself,

I need someone to tell me the answer.

And then you go down the road a little bit more and then now it's like a big wall,

Another obstacle and this one's a big one because it's your ego.

And Jenny's there and she gives you some wisdom about your ego.

And then you go down that road a little bit more and then you're getting on that stage And there you are with Jenny.

So come on back along,

Back to your body,

Back to this moment,

I'm going to have you share with me about what she said,

But come back to your body in this moment,

Listening to that water that we heard at the beginning,

Grounding yourself in,

You can just gently open up your eyes and come back.

I opened them because I had to keep wiping my tears.

Yeah.

So what happened for you?

I wasn't planning on that journey,

I was planning on something else,

But it's a good journey.

What happened?

That was amazing.

First,

Randomly,

When you were describing,

You know,

There's big boulders,

It was like a big version of me,

It was like I was all the boulders,

It was like a huge statue of me.

You are your own statue.

I am,

Everyone was,

And then I saw the wall,

But I was still like part of the wall.

It was,

Yeah.

Okay,

The first one.

I can remind you.

Yeah,

Remind me.

That person was failure,

Not doing it right.

When she came,

When 10-year Jenny came back,

She just said,

It clearly heard that the world needs you and that if you don't go for it,

It's a disturbance to women everywhere.

So she was in a very much sort of like this stance of like,

You can't let this get in the way because you have to do it.

Like a firefighter.

It's like,

Oh,

I'm scared of that.

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

Like you have to do this.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

The world needs you.

If you don't go for it,

It's a disservice.

Okay.

Next obstacle that came along,

Which was really sweet to see your face when this one came up because I was like,

I kind of felt for you in this one.

I made you feel lonely.

I can't do it by,

I can't do it by myself.

I need someone to tell me the answer.

It's so crazy how clear each like message was.

This one was so clear that I'm so supported.

Like people are going to help me and they're just waiting for me to take the first step.

Like nobody's often,

You know,

I get,

Especially my business partner and I have been together a long time.

I do always say,

You know,

He made the gym easier for me,

Like just kind of cleared a path.

And so I get real,

I can get very upset that he's not making this next venture as easy.

And I almost get like,

I get angry at him,

But it's,

It's me.

And so,

And then I think like,

Well,

Nobody even wants to help me or believes in what I'm doing,

But that's actually not it.

It's me being angry at myself for not doing it.

The clear message was,

I have so much support and everybody's here to help me.

I just need to take the first step.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Look,

You're already,

I'm here to help you.

You like manifested me to help you with this.

So there's people that are hungry.

So here's the thing.

There's people that are hungry to help you because you've helped a lot of people.

And that is the nature of our interconnection.

So you don't even know that you helped me 10 years ago when I was super,

Like I was postpartum,

Like bad postpartum.

You helped me.

I remembered you.

And then,

You know,

It just,

People want to give to you because you,

You have changed a lot of people's lives in this community already,

Hundreds,

Thousands,

Probably thousands of lives.

They want to come to be at service to you because they know that you're going to take it and you're going to spread it and you're going to move it forward.

We all want to be part of that kind of help.

We want to be part of the ripple effect.

Yeah.

So you are so supported.

People are going to help you.

They're just waiting for you to take the first step.

Wise words.

And it's funny too,

Even just like talking about this right now,

I just,

It came up that like too,

I feel a lot of times like I need to be so busy and I need to be doing this.

Like I need to be the one to do it.

But then I'm angry that I'm not getting,

Maybe somebody's not telling me the answer.

It's funny how it's just like this,

Yeah.

And I always tell people like nobody can do it alone either.

And then I'm trying to do it on my own.

I don't know.

It's this whole circle I think.

Right.

So the first sort of process of getting out of some of those stuck places is to begin with more of a curious mind than I have to have the answer mind,

Right?

Like I'm just,

I am just,

I am just curious,

Deeply curious about how this is going to happen and I'm,

And I'm moving into it and I don't have to have,

Just like when you started Jenny Schatzel 10 years ago,

You had no idea where it was going to go,

How it was going to change or how you were going to change or that you were going to get blessed with twins.

A hundred percent.

Oh my gosh.

Yes.

You know?

And how many moms that were taking your class are like,

Ha,

She had twins.

I knew it.

I think everybody.

Most part of moms were like,

Good luck with that because we were all in there at the time.

Literally everybody.

You had like the like,

The body,

You know?

Yes.

You know?

Yes.

Yeah.

So there you go.

I mean literally all I did was work out for 10 hours a day.

So yes.

Yeah.

No kidding.

I didn't have kids.

I didn't,

Yes.

You got twins.

I thought I got twins.

Yes.

Okay.

Ego,

That was your last obstacle.

Tell me about what Jenny said about ego.

Oh,

This was so good.

This was so clear and so good.

It's not about you.

Yeah.

That was just so clear.

Yeah.

It's not about you.

And I do,

I will say,

I've done,

You know this,

We're always in the work and I just,

I feel like I've done a lot of my ego work but there is still a lot there.

Yeah.

Like I do,

Even,

You know,

Instagram and things like that,

I get so up in my head,

Is that the right message?

Should I do it right?

How do I look?

You know?

All the things we always say we teach what we also need to learn.

Yeah.

And so it's just,

I can feel it too when I'm,

When I'm out of alignment,

I'm very much in my ego.

Yeah.

And I have lately,

I think that's part of me being stuck is I've been making it about me and not about the service I'm here to provide for others.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was very clear.

So that service was really clear when you were on that stage and you were feeling that connection with,

With the women.

Yes.

Like that value of service,

The value of giving,

The value of inspiring and that you have a way of doing that.

Like everyone has their way.

Some people it's on a stage,

Some people it's not on,

It's not on a stage.

But our service is working at the library and,

You know,

Reading to kids and being in a very different way of being of service.

Right?

So your way,

As it always,

I've kind of known about you is it's like,

It's to be big and loud and inspire and be a source of power and empowerment.

And when you put these,

These,

These barriers or these blocks are going to continue to show up for you.

But the,

What's exciting is that the very value that you are going for,

You can use to help you to be in service also to,

To your own self,

To get through and around these obstacles.

They're going to keep on showing up and you have within you already all the wisdom as everyone always does is just accessing it of these three,

Um,

You know,

These are like your,

Like your mantras,

Your messages.

I would put them on post-it notes and put them on your mirror or do,

You know,

Do it however you want to do it.

Put it in your phone,

Read them to yourself,

Remind yourself of it.

And then there's the nitty gritty of how do I actually like,

What is the next step?

Yeah.

And do you feel like you have that?

I'm going to put these on my wall and then,

Okay,

I'm gonna put this on the wall and then,

And that's it.

And that's where I,

I like physically,

I always,

Especially when I'm explaining me being stuck,

I do this.

Like I'm hitting my head,

Like physically I just start to do this,

Like I'm hitting my head against a wall.

Yeah.

When I'm trying to explain to people like,

Oh,

I'm,

I just feel like this all the time and then I physically do this.

So yeah,

I don't know my next step is like,

I guess that's where I get all,

I need to go for it.

I need to plan.

I need to,

You know,

My,

What,

How am I going to do more public speaking?

There you go.

Okay.

So how do we get from being in a gym,

Inspiring people to being on a stage and you have done yes,

Lots of public speech.

I mean,

Yes.

At least I don't know you're,

I see,

I see you're doing public speaking.

Yes.

Right.

So you want to be doing,

You want to be doing more of that,

More public speaking.

Is that the primary like way in which you want to manifest this or are there other ways?

Like,

Do you want to be having like coaching groups that you coach through?

Do you want to be developing courses?

Do you want,

Like,

What is your,

Yeah,

I see it as kind of like all three of those.

I see it as public speaking and then courses.

So kind of,

You know,

After I get off stage,

I can say,

You know,

We can keep this conversation going and helping people to continue it in a coaching manner.

And you already have people that you could give that course to.

You don't have to even have to be on a stage.

You already have an audience of people that would want to take this.

I definitely have an audience,

But then again,

It's like,

This is where,

Have I sat down and written the course?

No.

And again,

This is like where the fear and the block comes every time.

You know,

I've probably in my 20 courses,

I've started to write,

But never finished.

And then these come up,

Like,

Oh,

Even going,

You know,

Like,

Who's,

Again,

When I know the answer,

You know,

Who's going to buy this from me?

Or it's funny how that,

I know if you don't go for it,

It's a disservice.

And that is what I love.

Like I will say,

I love,

I just love connecting.

Like I also believe that's one of my big,

One of the big things I can do is I love connecting with people and connecting other people.

So I love being,

I do love being in person,

Which is,

I like that more than,

You know.

But even groups and just being with,

You know,

We're in a women's group and it's,

It's the best.

Nothing fills me.

I mean,

Obviously my family,

My kids and all that,

But it fills me up so much.

Yeah.

So you,

When you started Bond,

You created initially,

It's not the same now when it was Jenny Schatzel.

It was a program.

Yes.

It was.

Six weeks.

Six weeks.

You kind of cycled through this program.

It kind of built on it,

On itself.

It had,

You have the resources and strengths.

I'm assuming that you created that program.

Yeah.

Yes.

So you have the resources and strengths to create a program.

And then what you're saying is I really like to do those programs in person with people.

Yeah.

Great.

So you have the resources and strengths to create a program and you're really good at being in person with people,

Which a lot of,

I mean,

Not everyone is,

Not everyone has that skillset.

My,

My guess is that you have the material,

You have the content.

Yes.

Okay.

You might need a little bit of structure.

I am not structured.

Really?

I am not structured.

You're not structured.

Okay.

So you need some help with structure.

Yes.

I'm definitely not structured.

I can be all,

I'm all over the place.

Okay.

So we live in a world where you go into Google and you write,

Help me make a course.

Talking about this,

Yeah,

Is even part of my story is like,

I'm only good at fitness.

Yeah.

You know,

I keep telling myself,

Like,

I'm not somebody who can sit down and write this.

I can.

I just keep telling myself like fitness for so long was my like art.

Like I could go into a room and I can be like,

Okay,

Here's what we're going to do.

Right.

We put on an event,

20 people are supposed to show up,

100 show up.

I'm like,

Great.

This is how we're going to pivot.

This is how we're going to,

Like,

I'm really quick on my feet.

I can,

Things like that.

But sitting down and structure,

I've always said,

I'm super unorganized.

I'm not structured.

And me just telling myself these stories,

I can't sit down and write this.

It just,

I can't focus,

Has kept me from doing it.

Right.

Literally that just came up as you were saying that.

Right.

Right.

And so what I encourage you to do is to break out of that box and,

And find the space between strengths and values.

So you do best when you operate on your strengths,

You're good in front of people.

And it may be that your course develops out of,

You invite five people to do a five week in-person course with you.

And you just talk the thing out while one of those people,

The sixth person comes for free.

And their job is to take some notes and turn it into a course.

I love this idea.

Or whatever it is.

But if your strength is quick on your feet,

I mean,

I do a lot of my writing while I'm running.

Yeah.

I'll be on a run and I'll just voice memo or I'll prepare a talk or a podcast,

The podcast that just came out last week or this week I did running.

I was like,

Okay,

I want to have,

And it was like the morning of,

I want to talk about this and we'll talk about this.

I want to talk about that.

And then I came in and that's how I organized it.

So everyone's different.

And we have these stories about what it's supposed to look like.

And then we force ourselves to do it the way everyone does it.

If you're not a sit down and write a course,

Then maybe you teach the course.

And from that,

The structure evolves.

I love that.

Or maybe you get someone to take all of your verbal stuff and turn it in.

I mean,

We live in a world now,

Chat GPT could do it.

Chat GPT could take you talking through this course and then you put the,

Transcribe it,

Put it in a chat GPT and say,

Outline this thing for me.

Yeah.

And it will do it for you.

Yeah.

All of these are stories that are keeping you stuck.

A hundred percent.

And the world needs you.

If you don't go for it,

It's a disservice and you're supported by people.

They're going to help you.

They're just wanting for you to take the first step and it's not about you.

That's so true.

So we're going to,

We're going to do more business coaching after this because this is my jam.

I love to create things and I have lots of ideas of ways that you,

You could do it and we're friends and we're going to help each other out in that way.

I love this.

But it's,

I do think it's these things that are the bigger barrier for you than it actually is that you're not structured or organized because somehow you've been able to take a business from where,

From,

From ground up.

And then right away I'm like,

Yeah,

But I didn't do it on my own.

I had a lot of help.

I have somebody who is structured.

So it's almost like I make excuses for that.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just like you're raising two children and you would say,

Yeah,

I didn't do it on my own.

I hope not.

It's true.

I have someone who's structured and on time.

I hope so.

Yeah.

That we all depend,

We all,

We all are interdependent on each other.

And I don't think you would tell any of these moms that they need to do any of this on their own.

So true.

So.

Okay,

My dear.

Oh,

I was going to make me cry right there.

Oh,

I love that.

So what's your takeaway?

Bring it back down.

Get back.

Yeah.

What do you want to take away from this time together?

I can do this.

I can do this.

And I'm going to do this.

I mean,

Even like all of this and it's so,

You know,

I do,

I do a lot of self-help work.

Yeah.

And all of this is so true.

I'm going to blast this everywhere in my house,

But really to the story that,

Like that I'm,

You know,

Not structured.

I'm not good at writing.

I wrote a book like I can write,

You know,

That I can't sit down and do this.

I'm better in the gym.

Talk about,

Okay,

Right there.

What do I need to let go of?

I need to let go of that.

That,

That I think that's my only talent.

That's what I need to let go of.

Yeah.

Like the gym is very much my safe place because I can go back there and get everything I need and not to like,

I'm not going to let go of it.

I'll always be a part of it,

But I can,

I can do more than that.

Yes.

And that the values that show up in the gym can be put in a lot of different places.

Yes.

So it's not that the gym is some magical thing.

There's going to be a day when you will not be able to teach in the gym the way that you would.

100%.

And probably I can't teach at 44 like I did at 34,

You know,

Already.

Yeah.

Yes.

You've seen it.

But the values that you bring,

The community building,

The fun,

The,

Yeah,

Seeing people,

The welcoming,

The creating belonging.

Those are values that you can do until you're 105 in anybody,

In any form,

In any shape,

In any way you want to manifest it.

Right now,

This is,

This is this part of your life.

When you're 75,

You may be in a different part of your life where you're taking those values and applying them in a different way.

Right now,

This is calling.

It's calling to you.

It's saying,

I need it.

This needs to be birthed from you.

And yeah,

It does.

It doesn't mean you're letting those go.

It just means that you're shifting that energy into a different manifestation of it.

And then we're all going to benefit,

Including you,

From that.

So I'm excited.

I feel that deeply.

Good.

Good.

Okay.

There we go.

Very good.

Talk about gifts.

You are so good at what you do.

Oh,

Wow.

You did it all.

All I had to do was go inside you.

I've done a lot of therapy,

And I think I got more out of this last hour than years of therapy.

I feel so deeply this needs to be birthed.

That was like exactly it.

Yeah.

That was good.

It was awesome.

Yay,

Jenny.

Okay.

Here's your list.

Thank you.

I'm going to put it all over my house.

Thank you so much for listening to this episode of the Wise Effort Podcast.

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