Moving Into Wholeness Talk With Pam Gregory Astrologer

Pam Gregory is a renowned astrologer that has an international following, has written multiple best selling books and has a large youtube following. Pam interprets the language of the stars in a uniquely applicable and relatable way.
It's an ancient and complicated science, we're not talking about the daily horoscope here folks.
She tells us what to expect for the rest of the year and how to best work with the energies.

Transcript

Welcome to Moving Into Wholeness.

I'm Carly Wood.

This is an evolving space for sharing stories to inspire and connect.

Practices to guide and heal in hopes of supporting you as we all journey into wholeness together.

OK,

Welcome everyone to the Moving Into Wholeness podcast.

I'm Carly Wood.

And I'm thrilled today to welcome Pam Gregory,

Astrologer,

Known throughout the world for her insightful work in the field.

The author of two best selling books,

Host of the very popular YouTube channel where she does regular updates on what we can expect.

And as a fan myself,

The thing I'm most grateful for is her beautiful and positive energy.

And she brings it to everything she does.

And she has a way of spreading hope and is without question helping humanity move into a higher consciousness by spreading this hope and knowledge within her massive network.

So welcome,

Pam.

And thank you so much for being here.

Thank you for that beautiful introduction.

Thank you.

Happy to be here with you.

So I'm going to jump right in and I wanted to get your take.

You have this unique ability to translate the language of the universe in a really accessible and applicable way.

Applicable meaning that we who listen can easily bring that into our own lives.

And when you talk about how planets have an archetype,

Can you explain that and how that can be expressed in an individual as a sort of laying of groundwork for those who aren't necessarily as familiar with astrology?

Yeah,

I mean,

This sounds like a very simple question.

It's actually a vast topic.

You know,

I could spend a month going through this really.

So each planet has a kind of core meaning,

If you like.

You know,

If we take Mars,

The core meaning would probably be energy.

And so therefore that every planet is like a multifaceted diamond.

So it isn't just energy.

It could be courage.

It could be bravery.

It could be risk taking.

It can be goal setting.

It can be a strong physicality.

It can be libido.

It can be in a woman's chart,

The kind of man you'd be attracted to.

So it's all of those things kind of coming from the core value of energy.

But it's modified by the sign it's in and by the house area that in your birth chart,

You have kind of 12 slices of a cake,

If you like.

And each of those slices represents a different area of life,

You know,

Money,

Family,

Health,

Career,

Whatever.

So where Mars sits in your chart will be modified firstly by the sign and then by the house.

So say Mars in your chart is in a fire sign,

Will naturally express in a strong physicality.

You might be very sporty and athletic and you've got to be go,

Go,

Go the whole time.

You could be busy on the go.

And even when you're older,

You might have to be on the go,

You know,

Walking,

Cycling,

Housekeeping,

Whatever it is.

Whereas if it's in a water sign that will dampen,

Literally dampen the effect of Mars.

It will be less physical,

Less vigorous.

You'll be putting energy more into your emotions.

If it's in an earth sign,

You'll actually be very productive.

You'll use that energy to produce something tangible if it's in an earth sign,

Gives you very strong endurance.

There are signs like Taurus.

Yeah,

Yeah.

Like Taurus,

Virgo,

Capricorn.

If it's in an air sign,

You'll put a lot of energy into your intellect.

You know,

Perhaps academic studies.

So it will be modified very significantly by the sign it's in and then by the house area it's in.

So are you expressing that energy in your career?

Are you expressing that that energy in your spiritual life?

Are you expressing it in your creativity?

So it starts to become like a kind of multidimensional jigsaw.

And that's just looking at Mars.

I mean,

That's going to be true.

If we look at Saturn,

Which is very different,

The core meaning of Saturn is probably contraction and limitation.

But that multifaceted diamond of Saturn becomes things like a father,

Because your father sets the boundaries when you're young.

It's also to do with the kind of physical structure of the body,

The bones,

The teeth.

It's also about rules and regulations,

Those kind of limitations.

It's also to do with fences and walls and territorial divisions.

So you can see from one central value how the multifaceted diamond actually expresses in lots of different ways that are all connecting back to that core value or that core meaning.

So I'm trying to compress a huge amount.

You know,

I could literally spend a month just talking about archetypes.

So there's an awful lot to it.

So I know it was a very simple question,

But it actually has a very long answer.

But I hope that shed a little bit of light on what we're looking at.

And I should say that you do have birth charts through your website that anyone can download to help interpret all the different videos that you do,

Which are super helpful.

And I mean,

When you do that,

It does make me grateful for these readings that you do that basically spell that out for us.

And you will actually say this is what this can do in ways that I think most people wouldn't even consider.

So I feel like that's really wonderful.

So I want to ask you to get a summary.

I know in January,

I believe you posted a video that talked about this year of 222 being a super intense year.

I think we can agree that that has so far very much proven to be true.

And I wanted to get your take on moving forward just a general what we have to look forward to,

Dare I say,

In the coming year.

Yeah,

It's getting more intense as we go through it.

Sorry about that.

I'm going to be using the word intense quite a lot this year in the videos.

I think it really is a year of extremes,

But I actually see it as probably the most intense year.

If we look at this period of human evolution,

Which you could say began in 2012 and leads into the golden age of 2032,

Has been prophesied by many people.

2022 is the midpoint and it really is the tipping point.

And many astrological aspects really highlight that.

And within that,

There are various more intense peaks as we go through this year.

Astrologically,

But also geomagnetically,

Because the the geomagnetics of the earth,

As you may know,

Are becoming more and more destabilized.

I mean,

If we look back to 2018,

We had 26 coronal mass ejections.

This year,

We're forecast to have up to a thousand.

Plus,

We're in a major,

Major spate of M class,

X class flares and storms.

And they literally take out power grids,

You know,

Radio systems,

GPS systems,

And our little kind of tiny energy bodies are having to kind of assimilate these massive influxes of energy,

Which we've never experienced before,

Which is part of our upgrade.

It's not just spiritually,

It's affecting every cell in our body,

But it's a lot for us to assimilate.

And so people on one level having extreme fatigue and other time,

The same person might be having insomnia or ringing the ears,

But you know,

It's all because we're just trying to keep up with these massive waves and also the waves of photonic energy and light that are coming.

And so we're not really getting the upgrade,

But it's happening so darned quickly.

And this year is kind of,

You know,

We're in the alchemist bowl,

If you like,

You know,

We're in the crucible of change.

And aspects tell me that I mean,

This year,

In fact,

Last year we have this aspect but it's coming to a crescendo at the end of this year.

It's a 90 degree aspect between Saturn and Uranus.

It's linked to the past,

The way we've always done things,

It's linked to the government,

It's linked to rules and regulations,

It's linked to for your own safety,

We have to do it this way.

Whereas Uranus says,

I'm not playing that game.

I want freedom.

I want space,

I represent the future,

Maybe even connected to the Galactics,

It's higher mind,

It's awakening,

It's very much the rebel who's going to break the rules,

Not going to comply.

And so this is what the clash is about.

And you can see that so incredibly clearly through last year and increasingly heating up this year.

Now,

Ultimately,

In those battles Uranus will always win because Uranus is the planet of the future and Saturn is the planet of the past but not without a battle.

And we're in the big battle right now.

And that will come to a crescendo really in the last three months of the year,

When Saturn and Uranus make their final exact square by degree.

And then by next year it's moved on that aspect so that's one of the reasons this feels so intense but one of the other reasons is Uranus is very highlighted as a planet all through this year,

Partly because it's in Taurus and that's the same signs the North node and the North node is our future collect collective destiny where we're headed.

And for instance the solar eclipse at the end of April was conjunct Uranus,

The total lunar eclipse on the eighth of November,

Which I think is your midterm election day.

That's going to be quite a day,

Because Uranus is linked to earthquakes of all kinds political,

Financial,

Literal earthquakes,

Volcanoes,

Destabilized geomagnetics,

It's linked to shock surprises in Taurus it's very linked to,

Excuse me radical changes in the financial,

The banking system shocks with that I think we could well,

You know,

We're going to see massive turbulence in the way banking is done,

Massive.

And,

You know,

Probably by the time this comes out in in June.

And yes,

The move is towards digital currencies for sure because Uranus is digital,

Taurus is money,

Is currencies.

But the key issue then becomes,

Is that going to be centralized centrally controlled which is Saturn government run,

And every government in the world currently has its own digital currency ready to launch,

Or is it going to be decentralized,

Which is the original conception for cryptocurrencies that we have control of our own money.

And so that's going to be another major,

Major clash and there will be great efforts to decentralize everything as we go through this year on the part of the individuals,

The government will do everything,

The government will do everything they can to keep centralized control.

But the way we're moving forwards into this aquarium energy is all about grassroots up.

We're done with top down Pluto moving through the final degrees of Capricorn,

As has is going to reveal every bit of dirty laundry that is to reveal about top down structures governments,

Corporations,

Institutions,

Strong leadership,

It's going to,

It's going to show any dirty laundry that it can find.

So people are going to say eventually,

Do you know what,

I'm just out of this,

This is not a social structure.

I am enjoying or thriving in.

So let us create our own social structures and that's happening right now.

And it's grassroots up its people coming together in communities locally in people's councils people's assemblies,

Maybe online but even better if it's physical coming together,

And we are going to grow our own food,

Our own society,

Our own rules,

And we are going to do it in a loving beautiful way to create a new earth that is nothing to do with this world we've lived in,

In the past,

Nothing.

Yeah,

That is super exciting that's happening right now,

And the green shoots of that will become clearer as we get more into 2023 springtime onwards that will become clearer,

But we're in the kind of the heat of the,

The crucible right now.

So,

Those are the big big big trends are going to be various peaks in the year,

You know the super intense total lunar eclipse 15th 16th of May.

I know this is coming out in June,

That not only is directly aspecting the sun,

Sun of the US president.

It's also hitting a lot of members of the Royal family in the UK.

Could we see a change in the guard of the Royal family.

Knowing this time.

Wow,

That will be very interesting and again the total lunar eclipse on the eighth of November is another incredibly powerful pivot point that is going to change a lot of things in the world I think that crescendo the last three months of this year.

You know,

I think by the time we get to the end of 22 will be living in a very different world we may be standing in a demolition site.

Yes.

But we've cleared a lot you know if you're putting in a new kitchen you can't fit the new units on top of the old ones.

The old units and make a hell of a mess.

Before you can put in the new units,

And that's what this year is about.

And cook up something great.

I love,

I love that comparison and I also think about a lot like the caterpillar going into the chrysalis before it becomes the butterfly and does the caterpillar know that it's going to be able to fly.

Probably not and they're probably like what's going on and I very much feel that in the people that I'm connecting with and in my own life that sense of it's just having to consistently drop into trust because they're just it's so crazy this time and it does and it's very easy to go into that fear space.

But to and I've heard you say many times to just keep coming back to a place of trust and actually I think it was yesterday a video you just put out you did this gorgeous analogy again.

That's one of the things I really enjoy your analogies because you can say and I find that when I'm teaching meditations you'll say a million different words but a particular word will just drop in for someone and they could have heard it spoken a million times but they hear it a certain way and they're like,

Oh,

Now I see.

And so you had said I think it was yesterday in a new video about you were doing karate,

A karate lesson a while back and they had said when you karate chop through these pieces of wood which I've seen people do and I'm always like blown away by that.

But when they teach you to focus on 10 inches below the wood and then it became easy.

That's beautiful and so I think that yeah that's such a great way to pull that in is yeah when we're in this place and it's scary and there's not necessarily a clear path through to hold the clear vision of what you want and I've heard you say many times to live from in starting.

What's the terminology you use?

Yeah,

Live from the inside out,

Not the outside in.

There you go.

I love that.

So true.

And the ground up that Aquarian energy.

I see that I definitely see that already happening in it even with Facebook and online social networks even within actual small physical communities people are buying and selling or giving away things they don't need and there's sort of like growing and sharing vegetables from their garden that is happening so much more than it was before.

And this grassroots that you talk about I see that as part of it and these smaller communities like you know all these communities have groups and stuff but they're being used in a different way.

Much more sharing and kind of what do you do?

What can you contribute?

And so yeah that grassroots that you talk about I really see that happening around me in a really exciting way and I agree with that reading of the stars.

I really see how that is how that can inform this new way of being and especially with when you talk about there being a big time in November makes me a bit nervous because I think people certainly in America for those Americans listening are it's not so much a you know us all them but we're just done with the whole show.

So that could you know when I hear you say that I think about that crumbling of the old systems standing in the rubble like you said you know how's that what is that going to look like it's very interesting to think about it.

It is,

It is,

And you know that's why if you can get together with a like minded group or in a community that will give you so much strength and support,

And it's the joy and simplicity you know we were deprived of human connection for a long time with the lockdowns often people are just locked up in their homes,

Totally on their own.

And now to meet with people and join with them and share that the joy of that simple human contact is so rich and we appreciate it in a way that I think we've never done before because we're into buying stuff before you know it was a yuppie materialism it was stuff,

Nobody cares about the stuff anymore.

They're not buying stuff they're buying seeds.

You know,

We're really going back to the fundamentals and an aquarium energy is very much about the power of the people coming together in simple ways and,

And just in their own sovereignty on autonomy saying,

No,

I'm not buying into this system,

I'm going to create a better world.

And,

And that's the really exciting thing so although it's going to be a heck of a wild ride in a messy year.

It's necessary break down to get to a clean slate where we can start all over again and,

And,

You know,

I also think the darkness has to be revealed in order to wake more people up and very upsetting and uncomfortable though that is not enough people are going to wake up until they see the darkness.

And I mean the total lunar eclipse in Scorpio mid May is an absolute stonker for that.

I mean,

Honestly,

I mean,

There's going to be,

I just have visions of sewage,

Actually,

Because you're linked to elimination and toxicity and pollution and lies and betrayal.

And,

You know,

I just see an awful lot of sewage coming to light but again that's the necessary process to say,

You know,

Just look,

Look at what's been happening and you know,

Do you feel good about that that the kind of society you want to go back to I mean it's interesting with your US leadership because when somebody has a lunar eclipse aspect in their son in his SU and in hard aspect,

There's often a kind of wipeout will take out for a period and it was very interesting because last November,

We had a total lunar eclipse which was exactly on Joe Biden's son.

And that very day,

He had to have a general anesthetic and a colonoscopy.

So he was taken out for the day,

And the total lunar eclipse coming up in mid May is again exactly on his son your son is your,

Your energy your vitality your presence in the world.

So,

You know,

That's going to be,

That's going to be interesting,

Particularly if you're in a leadership position.

So I think we,

You know,

We're gonna see a lot of action,

It is not going to be dull but I just really say to people,

Step one,

Switch off the news,

Just don't listen to it.

Because there's so much drama in that it's like the best movie in town you could you know you can't believe it's like a Hollywood epic every night.

But if you get drawn into that you are creating tomorrow from fear,

You're not creating it from love.

I just got rid of my televisions two years ago,

And my frequency leapt.

When I did that,

And I haven't listened to a minute of mainstream news in that time,

And I just feel joyful.

Not because I know a lot of tough stuff is happening in the world and yes we can send money we can send blankets we can send food we can be practical we can,

You know,

Poor dazzling diamond white light on any area in the world that has darkness,

But stay in love.

Because that's what you're creating your tomorrows with.

Yeah,

Moment you go into fear.

That's what you're creating your,

You know,

There's 10,

The thousand things to be fearful of.

But if you allow yourself to dip into that.

There is a very clear timeline that's all about fear,

Correct clear as day,

Lots of people are on it.

And if you give that your frequency and attention,

Your focus.

That's what you can be following us in our mastery to be strong enough to say,

No,

I'm going to get a grip of my energy and my thoughts and my emotions well enough to say,

I'm going to create from love because this is our chance.

This is our best chance in probably ever because these chances only come up about every tooth at 12,

000 years give or take 500 when the earth moves through the photon belt,

And they've been attempted evolution for humanity before like in Atlantis,

But they've never fully succeeded and this is now our real quantum leap for the evolution of humanity,

But it's down to us.

Every single one of us listening to this,

You know,

However tiny a person you think you are.

We are all feeding the collective field with our thoughts and our emotions.

Yes,

Yes.

We are all masters potentially.

And that photon belt is light,

Right?

Yeah,

You know very high frequency light.

And therefore,

If you can keep in a positive state,

You are able to hold to embody more light in the body the higher consciousness more light you can hold in the body.

Yeah.

So again,

It's down to us.

Nobody's forcing telling instructing it's down to us in our frequency.

Yes.

So be grateful you know be grateful if you have a blue sky if you can look into a flower.

If you can laugh with a friend you can hug a child you can hug a pet hug a tree,

You know,

You know,

Just be grateful for tiny things because if you're grateful you attract more things in your life to be grateful for it really honestly really works.

I played with this for years you know negatively and positively and it's really interesting to observe you know there's a very difficult time in my life.

And I was very,

You know cross about something it was a big big big deal.

And everybody attracted into my life for a period of a few weeks was an angry workman,

You know they mechanic for the car was angry machines broke down in the house every workman that came to fix it was angry,

You know,

And eventually I thought I've got to stop this because I am actually creating this in my world.

And as soon as I got a grip.

Everything changed.

Yeah.

It's a really good lesson for us,

You know,

It is and for those that are really in the,

In the swamp or the sewage as you say,

I know from experience,

Which you do as well,

It can be so hard to get out of that because someone could be listening to this and saying,

Yeah,

But you know they haven't had this experience and I've got this person that's making my life a misery or this is happening to me and I mean there is so much pain and terrible things going on in the world.

But the choice ultimately it's about shifting from that victim mentality into empowering yourself and it's actually an empowered choice to say yeah I see this is happening,

But like you say if you're creating from the inside out.

It's about regularly having that practice of coming back to okay,

What do I want to see have that focus like 10 inches under the wood and have that be your place of creating joy,

The vision of what you want to create and then bringing in like you said,

Looking for the joy in those little moments all the time.

And knowing that it doesn't mean that because there's always going to be people that we can look at and say well they had it so much easier and that's so true and I so empathize with people who have that.

But ultimately it's our own responsibility and we have to step out of that victim place for ourselves and for everyone around us and for humanity to collectively rise and we're not talking about because we know that there's these terrible things going on.

But going into the fear space like you said doesn't help those people and that's on a personal level if you have a child or a loved one that you're worried about that doesn't help them.

So hold a vision of what you want for them and then we and it's the same with the war and all the things that are going on.

What do we want to see right?

Yeah,

And you know anybody ill around you or struggling in it,

See them in their strength.

Yes,

Rather than see them in their weakness because you know as women,

I was talking to somebody about this the other day as women,

You know if somebody's ill around a sweet,

Oh you poor,

Oh you must be feeling terrible.

Gosh,

You know this is really tough for you.

Whereas,

And that doesn't help them energetically necessarily whereas if you see them in their strength you know come on you're a strong person you've naturally got good health,

You know,

You're going to bounce out of this in no time you know I'll go make some soup but you know you'll feel way better tomorrow.

We know the power of the placebo with with words,

And you know it's funny Carly,

People sometimes write to me and say,

You obviously have a blessed perfect life,

You were born with a silver spoon in your life you know you've,

You've had no,

I mean,

Nothing could be further from the truth.

And I won't go into all of that because it's,

It's not relevant to other people but I have learned all these very simple practices,

Because I've had a great,

You know,

Many,

Many challenges in my life that's how I've learned them.

I wasn't born wearing this stuff,

I was born,

You know,

Having to find simple ways of surviving,

Really in sustaining myself in very challenging circumstances so,

So that's,

You know,

We're all here to learn and grow,

That's,

That's a gift at the end of the day.

Yeah,

That's inspiring.

You know,

So,

Just so you know,

I think that's true because I can see how people would think that because you are always so positive and I will say,

I can actually,

You know,

As a,

As a sensitive I can actually watch a video and irrelevant of what you're saying,

I just feel uplifted.

And so I think people do make that assumption that well,

They've got it easy then because they can be positive because there's all these positive things,

But you know,

You just have to make a choice and when,

When we,

When we have these situations that come into our life,

You know,

The choice is always ours.

Well,

How do we want to grow and expand and,

And seize the opportunity,

Even though the opportunities never feel like opportunities,

Or do we want to go into victim?

And,

And I think that idea of choosing to go into victimhood or,

Or to expand and hold a positive light is,

Is both a confronting and an empowering choice.

Absolutely.

And that's what this year is about.

That's good,

You know,

Because stuff is really tough out there,

You know,

1000 problems locally,

Globally,

It's everywhere.

And so it doesn't take much energy to go and find the problems.

But if you get sucked into those,

Which is what certain people who do not have our highest interests at heart would want us to do.

That's a dusty old road to misery.

So we've got to have the spiritual strength to check ourselves and say,

You know,

I could go down there.

I'm going to bring myself back to my breath.

I'm going to go outside and hug a tree.

I'm going to call a friend and laugh,

You know,

I'm going to do anything that will not shut my frequency and constantly through the day,

The one overriding thing for everybody is what's my frequency.

You know,

I used to tell clients to,

To stick post-it notes,

You know,

Those sticky notes all over the house,

Bathroom,

Mirror,

Fridge,

Kitchen,

Cupboard.

What's my frequency?

What's my frequency?

I love that.

Everything in your reality cascades from your frequency,

Everything,

Your whole life,

Your whole reality.

And also,

It was interesting for 20 years I taught management people how to make more persuasive business presentations all over the world.

And Yale and Harvard were doing very big studies at that time with presenters,

Because what they discovered is that it wasn't,

It was not just as you've been saying,

Kylie,

It wasn't the words and the content necessary,

It was the energy of the presenter that convinced the audience,

You know,

Does this guy really believe in it?

Does he think it's a great idea?

Yeah,

He looks confident.

Let's go with him versus someone who's nervy and wobbly and meh,

Not sure he believes it either.

I'm going to turn down the recommendation.

So there's a very infectious quality with energy.

And I'm actually aware as well that if people aren't very astrologically literate,

Which is fine,

Why should they be,

That they are literally picking up my energy in those videos.

And that's okay.

That's enough to maybe notch them up,

You know,

One or two pegs.

Yes,

Yes,

Exactly.

And the more of us that can hold that space,

We're making,

We're lighting the way for others.

So if you want to do good,

Because I know there's so many people that have that,

You know,

There's that archetype of the person that just wants to help.

And as you said,

Women especially,

We hold,

You know,

Our bodies are even built for holding all of the troubles of all our loved ones in our womb.

It's a physical,

You know,

Component of our bodies that,

You know,

I mean,

I could go into that in a big way,

But I won't.

But we have to be really careful about choosing to let go and not hold all of that for everyone and therefore helping everyone,

Like we have said,

I'm going to keep going around in circles there.

So move on,

Because I love that subject and could go there all day,

Especially with embodiment.

So you have made some fascinating videos on the dwarf planets orbiting.

Now,

Correct me if I say this incorrectly,

Kuiper Belt?

Yes,

Yes.

Kuiper.

K-u-i-p-e-r.

Kuiper Belt objects.

Okay.

So I've heard you say that you see them as a sort of instruction,

As a new way for us to be.

And I'm going to ask you a couple of questions in one.

Can you expand on that?

And are new planets being discovered all the time?

Like,

So if we've just sort of moving into this discovery and this now,

How does that happen?

Is it,

Do we still expect we're going to keep expanding out?

And do you see that expansion as going hand in hand with the expansion of our human consciousness of our own never-ending evolution?

Yeah,

Yeah.

To answer the second part first.

Yeah,

Carly,

I absolutely do.

I think we only discover these planets when our consciousness is ready to integrate them.

So that's another big,

Big sign that we're on the upshift in terms of consciousness.

And in terms of when they're discovered,

I mean,

A whole spate of discoveries were made sort of just before 2000 and the early few years,

You know,

To a two to three to four to five.

And so there's a whole spate of them.

And really,

It just depends when astronomers who discover them can find them in the sky.

I mean,

There's thousands of them out there,

But they're so far out,

You know,

Beyond the orbit of Pluto.

And so they have to be detected and their orbits understood,

Etc.

So it's astronomers rather than astrologers that do that.

And certainly there was a big wave of discoveries,

As I say,

In those early years of the 2000s.

And I can't really say when more are going to be discovered,

It just,

You know,

As and when.

But they really do seem to operate on quantum principles.

And what I mean by that,

I think this is quite a helpful example for people.

I have a friend in the US,

And she was in a lot of pain because she needed a hip replacement.

She was in tremendous pain.

But in America,

As you know,

They are very expensive.

They're about $40,

000.

Now,

She could have taken the normal 3D route and said,

I've got to work extra time in the evenings,

Got to work every weekend,

I've got to,

You know,

Run extra workshops in order to earn that extra $40,

000,

Which is a lot of money.

And she'd have to do it for weeks and months to accumulate that sum in order to have the operation.

But she didn't do that.

She did it the quantum way.

She went out to her favorite trees.

And she talked to her trees,

And she set a super clear intention that that amount of money would come to her in the next month.

And within the next month,

One of her clients contacted her and said,

You've been of such immense help to me over the years.

I've just had a big windfall.

And I would like to gift you $40,

000 of that windfall.

Wow.

Now that's quantum.

The exact amount.

Yeah.

So it's,

It's setting a very clear intention that it will absolutely happen.

You know,

It's like when you're pregnant,

You know the baby's coming.

When you put a light switch on,

You know the light will come on,

There's no doubt.

So you set a very clear intention that this is already happening.

You step into that energetic hologram,

Fully trusting in that,

And then you let it go to the universe.

And that's operating the quantum method rather than a slog in an appointment with a bank manager writing a business plan and all of that effort push linear logical 3d way that we've operated I mean this is exemplified by the dwarf planet home a that is linked to the Hawaiian goddess of fertility and in the myths around her mayor,

Because she's an incredible regenerative creative principle she just builds babies from all over her body which is kind of good news for our generation going forwards,

Because you can just turn her age backwards from an old grown to a young maiden.

That'd be nice.

But,

But,

But what she's able to do,

Even if land has been laid waste with toxicity pesticides,

Everything's just barren.

She had a magic stick called a McEloy in this myth,

And she could just summon wild food from the land and the sea so people would never go hungry.

And so,

Again,

It's a kind of almost like an impossible quantum leap.

But these dwarf planets have the promise that that is the way we're going to operate in the future and in fact my good friend does this all the time you know the hip operation,

More and more of us are learning to do this by setting a clear intention,

Every day when,

As I'm waking up I say,

I live in a world of magic and miracles,

And the magic and miracles come in.

Without me,

Efforting to get those,

I just meet the right person who gives me something that I need at that time.

Not material but kind of energetic.

And so if you live in that kind of miracle zone,

Trusting that good things are going to come to you.

That's the wavelength that you're broadcasting that you're going to attract it's just like a radio signal,

You tune your radio to Hard Rock you're going to get Hard Rock coming back to you tune it to classics.

That's what it's just a frequency match that's all it is,

But we are becoming masters of understanding that in order we can that we can operate on a quantum system,

Rather than the hard work 3d system that takes so much time,

And also makes things seem impossible.

I mean my friend who would have had to work night and day for months to earn that amount of money.

That seems insurmountable.

And yet she did it in a trice,

Just by sending off the intention to the universe.

Yes.

And trusting that that piece that it could be even better than,

I like to do that a little addendum at the end,

Or better than I imagined.

Like,

Like don't limit yourself.

That's very important.

Yeah.

And I love you talked about rather than efforting.

So you start today,

But rather than efforting,

It's just like you put out that intention.

And when I hear that effort where I think of the masculine energy versus the feminine energy of softening and allowing and that masculine energy and,

And,

And of course,

Not in any way to those listening,

Am I referring to gender,

But just the energy of the masculine and feminine and the masculine energy being that effort and discipline and the way basically we have in the Western culture lived for a long time with the top down and the,

The control and all of that.

And I think part of this evolution is this raising up of the feminine energy of the softening and the allowing and going back to Mother Earth and growing fertility.

These are all the feminine energy things.

And,

And do you agree,

Pam,

That part of this evolution is about that rebalancing?

Totally.

Yeah,

Totally.

And in fact,

We've just had something incredibly helpful that was really very strong through March and April,

Which was conjunction between Jupiter and Neptune,

Because Jupiter is the ancient ruler of Pisces,

Neptune is the modern ruler,

Pisces is very soft and feminine.

It's yin energy,

It's very receptive,

And it's almost angelic,

It's very fine high frequency energy.

And for many people,

This just opened up this,

This beautiful kind of poetic soft welcoming in of something much more beautiful,

Away from the patriarchy and,

And the tough stuff,

And that really boosted that,

That feminine,

That divine feminine side of,

Of our nature,

I think,

And yes,

For sure there's,

There's going to be a rebalancing.

I mean,

There has to with,

With Capricorn being so hard hit by Pluto right now,

That is really going to give the top down structures a very hard time if they haven't been fully transparent and accountable.

And when you talk about that all being exposed,

If someone can apply that to things in their own life,

That could,

Is it,

Is it fair to say that that could look like,

It could also feel like maybe a negative thing coming up,

But remembering that when that negative experience comes up,

That it's,

It's,

It's showing up to be released.

Released.

Yeah.

Okay.

So it could feel like just something bad happening.

Yeah.

And I think part of that process,

Carly,

Is that we're going to be releasing a lot from the past because if we're able to hold a higher frequency automatically that changes all the dynamics in our relationships.

So we may find that people with whom we've been in relationship in the past for quite a period of time,

It's not that we have arguments we just kind of know on a different trajectory they're on their journey we're on ours.

And so,

People or jobs or circumstances can fall out of your life because you're just,

You're on a higher road,

You're on a higher timeline now and allow that to happen even though it might feel again you're in a center is a bit destabilizing you know where's my foothold was my foundation.

You have to let that go I mean the total lunar eclipse in Scorpio mid May,

And,

And,

And also the next one in November.

Those are big,

Big,

Big times for releasing your old life I think our new life is going to be unrecognizable unrecognizable and our future has never been more invisible,

Because we're stepping into what I want to call the new human in the most natural organic way,

We're going to have new abilities we're going to be more,

We're going to be lighter we're going to be more full of light,

The light body we're going to be more wave and less particle,

We're going to be more able to communicate telepathically heal people simply by gazing at them.

We're going to be able to summon food,

Where we're going to see nature and brighter colors we're going to have amazing new technology that already exists but has never been publicly available,

Going to have free energy we can have healing devices based on light.

Our whole world is going to change out of all recognition we probably won't need money,

Because we will just be able to manifest whatever we want.

And we're kind of just stepping into that but it seems unimaginable.

When are the whole of our life up to this point has been so dense,

And frankly in 2022 it seems more dense than ever before.

But to remember that so it can be,

Let go.

Yeah,

Yeah,

But that mastery not to be engulfed and overwhelmed by it to such an extent that you can't kind of draw back and get the perspective and that's why I always say,

Stay on your Eagles perch just observe so you're aware of what's happening in the world that's very important that we're aware,

But the mastery comes in being aware.

But then,

Despite that,

You can still hold a high frequency.

So it isn't spiritual bypassing and saying,

I'm not gonna be any bit in I'm just going to be in this fluffy world.

It's not that at all it's saying,

Okay,

I know this stuff is happening.

It needs to happen.

I can see it from my Eagles perch,

I will not be negatively drawn in.

I'll stay in this divine neutrality and from here,

I will create something magnificent.

Yeah,

I love that you mentioned that word spiritual bypassing I actually did an episode on that.

And,

Yeah,

I think it's an important thing to to mention because I think people find do do struggle with that like okay so we need to hide,

Hold these high frequencies,

But I've got all this stuff coming up.

So yeah,

If you've got the,

You know,

Some trauma in your own life coming up,

Sit with it,

Be with it to release it in the same way that Pam's talking about these things coming out,

You know,

In the external world to be released,

It's the same internally,

When you're having when you're being triggered.

Or there's a mirror that's triggering you in some way some some person in your life is bringing something up,

Deal with it,

Sit with it,

So you can release it and I think there's that really tricky dance of being with it not completely denying it so you can release it and if you're sitting in something for a really long time,

Then you've got to let it go because you you're you're not going into that releasing phase so it comes up the bad.

Be in it,

Feel it when it's your own stuff,

Let it go so you can go back to holding the higher vibrations and and in terms of the external I think it's probably a little bit more simplistic because it's not necessarily these big events aren't necessarily things stemming from your own healing journey.

But yeah,

I think that's an important point that you mentioned Pam is just with you know with that spiritual bypassing,

Holding the higher emotions and and not getting distracted by the news I think is such wisdom in in that advice and and in the external holding it,

It doesn't mean you're not helping in fact it means you're helping.

But when it's coming up for your own your own trauma is coming up to to see it and acknowledge it in order to release it and then go back to that place.

Do you think that's fair to say?

Absolutely and I ask for help in whoever you talk to your angels,

Your guides,

I'd ask for help.

Please help me in whatever way to transmute this energy.

You really do get help in very surprising ways and the other thing I do if everybody if anybody is being personally very angry or aggressive with you.

A thing you can do is just to energetically imagine you're holding up a mirror.

Oh,

I love that.

It's imagine how quickly that person backs off settles down.

It's such an easy trick.

You just energetically imagine you're holding a mirror so so all of that anger or aggression is just bounce back to them.

I love that.

Such a simple trick to do.

But yes,

Asking for help so you can easily transmute whatever trauma you're going through and release it into the light.

Just let it go into the light and then it can happen more quickly as well.

Yes,

And when you're going out into the world is that you have any tricks you do personally to sort of because I know you're quite sensitive.

I mean,

I think everyone who as we are collectively raising our motivation.

I think that is one of the things even for people who haven't previously been sensitive are probably going to become more sensitive to other energies and everything's got because we're becoming energetic beings.

And so we're going to recognize different energies more.

Do you have any things that you practice regularly before you go out into the world to keep your energy as beautiful and high as it is?

Yeah,

I need to be absolutely honest,

Carly,

I'm so far away from mainstream society.

I haven't been to a supermarket in two years.

I'm,

I've got a beautiful,

Small old Roman town,

A mile away.

I haven't been there for two years.

I just don't,

I don't enter into mainstream society.

I have a wonderful ever growing group of like minded people,

A real tribe that I was super lucky to follow.

I feel really honored to be part of that group and we are doing things like growing food,

Finding land,

All of that.

So they are joyful to be with.

I mean,

Just lift my heart.

But every morning,

And I don't have a particular practice about bubbling myself,

I probably should,

But I'm rubbish at it,

To be honest.

I mean,

What do I do every morning is I love animals and I used to have dogs of my own.

I don't have time now.

So I borrow my elderly neighbors young dog,

Young Labrador and every day we go down through the woods over the stream up to the region.

I throw sticks in the stream for him as if I was a kid of five,

And I can be that joyful and innocent,

As if I was a child again.

And I listened to the birds and I watch all the spring blossom coming out.

And that is,

That's my energetic nurturing,

Really,

And I do that for an hour max an hour and a half every morning,

I get fed,

I get fed by the trees,

The birds,

The fun,

The dog,

I can just laugh with him.

And that really boosts me for that.

And that's sacred,

I have to do wind,

Snow,

Biblical rain,

I have to do that.

I have a vision of you walking through the UK rain.

Oh,

Rubber wear,

Galoshes,

I have to be,

I've got a Mars in Aries so it's,

You know,

Strong doing physicality but I have to do that and then that feeds me enough that I can come and settle with my work,

But I do have this wonderful group of people but for a long time I couldn't find like minded people in the area so I'm super lucky to have stumbled across them about a year ago,

And that's,

That's another hub of light,

Which is contributing to the collective,

The hubs of light,

All over the world people getting together and say,

What can we create to make a better world.

And we're linking together and sharing information,

And it's just joyful.

Everybody's happy because we know about all the tough stuff.

We know about it,

We know about it,

What our energy is focused on is,

What do we create from now,

Together.

10 inches below the wood.

You want to end up,

You want to end up.

Oh my gosh,

Well,

This has been just such a joy,

And I could talk to you forever but I won't because we're at 50 minutes now and I just,

I'm so grateful for your time because I know how busy you are and this has been just a thrill so thank you,

Thank you,

Thank you,

Thank you so much Pam.

It's been a real joy to share with you,

Carly.

Lots of love and good luck for this wild ride,

This white wall rafting this year.

Lots of love to you.

Thank you,

Pam.

Bye bye.