So today's talk is all about the bliss of neutrality and willingness.
And this is part of the series of talks I'm doing about all about David Hawkins levels of consciousness.
And if you're new to these levels,
They come out of his book called Power versus Force,
Where he calibrates the levels of consciousness that we all are living in.
And how different it is to live our lives,
Almost seeing the world through different filters.
And if this is new,
I have uploaded the first talk of the series all about shame and guilt on insight timer,
And I go into a lot more discussion about that.
So I just want to introduce this chart.
If you Google map of consciousness or levels of consciousness by David Hawkins,
You'll see a chart like this.
And you can see at the bottom there,
Shame,
Guilt,
Apathy,
Grief,
Fear,
Desire,
Anger,
Pride.
When we resonated any of these areas,
Our life is hard.
It's almost like we're maybe we're maybe we're reacting to karma.
Maybe we're reacting to old experiences and we're repeating patterns.
Maybe we're trying to sort out our consciousness.
Maybe we're trying to heal.
Maybe we have to repeat a pattern to learn something.
Who knows why?
It's not a judgment.
It's just wherever we're at.
At 200,
We hit courage,
And that's where the tide turns.
That's where there's a watershed like on this side,
Everything's kind of heading towards difficulty.
At courage,
Everything changes and we start to really build in our life.
So today's talk is about the two levels above courage,
Neutrality and willingness.
One of the big reasons I'm really excited about doing this talk is that when we are lost in fear,
Shame,
Guilt,
Pride,
Anger,
When we're it's so easy to live there.
When we are there,
It's hard to imagine anything else.
We tend to believe that this is all that there really is.
This is the juice of life.
This is what it is to feel alive and interact with people,
And it's just normal.
You're always going to have some conflict.
That's just the way it is.
So I find it exciting to talk about what life could be without that.
I remember years ago,
Probably 10 years ago,
I was counseling a couple.
And they were,
You know,
Obviously really nice people,
But they were really struggling.
And we talked about different things and they realized they had done a lot of work.
They had done a lot of personal work to try to figure things out.
But what they found was when they actually started really being nice to each other and they started not responding in anger and not responding in fear and not carrying all their stuff into the relationship.
They found themselves bored.
Like it's like all the fire had gone out of their life and they were just sort of sitting there like.
So we kind of seemed like we just sort of started fighting again because it was like the only way we could connect or something.
And it was so weird.
I remember this.
I can't.
I'll never forget this one time sitting,
Chatting with them and looking at them thinking.
Isn't that odd?
And then this phrase came into my mind and the phrase was,
What is it like living above the line?
And the line in my mind was this line of courage on this chart.
So most of the time on our relationships,
We're living below the line,
We're living in fear,
Desire,
Anger,
Frustration,
All these things.
Do we even know what it's like to have relationships above the line?
Do we know what it's like to interact with people when we are only living in courage,
Acceptance,
Love,
Joy,
Neutrality?
Like how do you have a relationship?
How do you what do you talk about?
Like do we even know what life is like above the line?
Do we even believe it's possible?
And this became a real a real journey for me,
Like a real process of what would a relationship look like if you had no issues?
You know,
What would health look like if you had no issues,
No pain,
No ailments?
You slept well,
You were well hydrated,
You were,
You know,
What if you walk through your days and you were just happy?
You're just a happy person.
Just so what's new?
Oh,
Lots of stuff doing this,
Doing that.
You know,
Like it's almost like people don't even know how to interact with you if you're above the line.
And it's so interesting because when we're living below the line,
We live in this weird drama space where all the juice and realize what drama does,
Drama,
It makes us feel alive.
If we're angry,
We kind of like feeling angry more than we like feeling nothing.
Or we like being afraid more than we feel like more than we like feeling nothing.
We like to feel alive.
And if we've always lived below the line and everyone we know is below the line.
That's that's the juice of life.
So why would I give that up?
So on a conscious level,
We might say,
No,
No,
I don't I don't want to live in fear.
I don't want to live in anger.
I don't want to live in pride.
I don't want to live in desire.
But if we don't know that another reality is possible.
Are we really going to take a step?
Do you know what I mean?
So that's that's probably the number one reason I really am excited to talk about this and talk and really explore some of these conscious levels above courage.
Because we don't talk about it much.
Maybe we don't know anybody who lives up there.
And if we do know somebody.
Well,
Yeah,
But that's my weird uncle that lives in the woods.
You know,
Nothing really seems to bother him.
It's an interesting thing to explore what it would be like to live our lives,
To even right now,
Wherever we are in our life.
To just take a deep breath and imagine because these these levels of consciousness are within all of us.
Every single one of us here is capable of living in neutrality.
Or living in willingness,
Which is what we're going to talk about today.
All of us.
Imagine what life would be like.
Imagine how different relationships would be.
Imagine how different work would be.
How imagine how different chilling in the backyard would be.
So neutrality.
Neutrality is not apathy.
Apathy is below the line.
It's just above guilt,
I think.
Or just above grief.
I can't remember.
But apathy is when you don't care.
Apathy is when you've been hurt a lot.
There's a lot of controlling entities around you.
People,
Society,
Systems,
Whatever.
And you have put up walls to say,
You know what,
I'm not even playing.
I'm not engaging.
I have nothing to do with you.
I don't care.
We do care.
But we're going to say we don't care.
Right?
That's not neutrality.
That's apathy.
Neutrality.
You're fully playing in the world.
But we're not polarizing into a rigid position anymore.
So this is where we can have a perception.
We can have an opinion.
We can see something happen.
And we can have a reaction and go,
Oh,
I don't really like that.
Or we can still honor our truth.
Right?
It's not that if I'm neutral,
I just do whatever everyone else says.
I still have a truth,
But I'm not attached to what you do or what that person does.
Or I'm not going to just hold a rigid position.
It's like the the martial artist that says,
You know,
That which will not bend will likely break.
You know,
Neutrality allows us to kind of watch so we can make observations and we can see this and we can see this.
And that may resonate as truth and this may not.
But we also know that the world is very multidimensional.
It isn't black and white.
And if we hold ourselves rigid in a position,
We might be missing the bigger picture.
You know,
We might be missing the color in the world.
We might be missing the other seven points of view or the other hundred possibilities.
Neutrality.
Neutrality is this incredible state of trust where no matter what happens,
We don't have to hold a position.
We just hold our position for strength.
Right?
That's force.
That's saying no,
Dammit.
This is what I believe.
I am putting my sword in the ground.
And like you feel the force?
His book is called Power vs Force.
My ground and that is all I'm not listening right that that is not what we're talking about.
Neutrality says well that is a point of view and I can see your point of view it's interesting.
But there's no need to it's almost like there's also an awareness that holding a strong point of view doesn't help it doesn't change anything it doesn't change anyone's opinions it doesn't it doesn't do anything it's of no value it only causes problems it only causes division it only causes opposition you know and again neutrality is not doing what else what other people want neutrality is just a percept a way of perceiving the universe or almost of perceiving the whole and understanding that all things exist within that whole all things all dualities all perceptions all point of views all exist within the whole and if we are going to kind of understand that whole then we have to allow ourselves to flow a bit and the neutrality goes deeper even within our own self so if you imagine this kind of living in this trusting state that let's say you want to get a job and you go for the job well you're not really attached to whether you get it or not you trust that if you're meant to get this job you'll get the job and if you're not then you'll get another one like there's nothing um there's no benefit to being attached to getting this job and then being disappointed and angry and frustrated like you can see how now we're below the line again well that's not right and that's not you know when they shouldn't have done that and it's probably about me and how like this whole self-worth thing it's like but it's not about me it just wasn't the right fit and do you ever i mean i guess i can just say in my life of all the things that didn't work out i'm so thankful for because something better did come you know whether it's jobs or relationships or opportunities or whatever it is interesting when we kind of sit back and we observe our life and we go and so it's an interesting thing to allow to even we even allow ourselves to be neutral like this is a very odd way of being years ago i went through a time when i felt really empty and i felt like i was just like year ago i went through a time when i felt really empty i just i think it was shortly after i divorced my kids were gone like my kids had moved away and stuff and i was just feeling really lonely i was feeling really i don't know and i but i felt really complete as well like it was sort of like i didn't want anything i didn't need anything i didn't need to prove anything I didn't need to accomplish anything.
I didn't just wasn't in need of anything.
I Wasn't mad about anything.
I was just sort of content in my life And I actually Seriously wondered whether or not I was meant to die and and this may sound really weird But I I actually felt well maybe maybe I'm complete You know,
It's almost like if there's no desires driving me if there's no big things for me to accomplish maybe Maybe I'm just finished here So,
Of course,
I must have told a friend who said you should talk to my friend the psychic So I I called this really interesting psychic woman in the States and She had this way of what she did is she?
Would tap into your inner self your inner Consciousness so that was like an inner Katrina and an outer Katrina So she was able to kind of tune in with my inner Katrina and have a conversation with her instead of this external Katrina Who couldn't figure out what was going on in her life?
So anyway she taps in and I and I'm telling her this and like I just I don't know whether I've just realized it's time to move on and you know pass from this world and begin my new assignment or I just have nothing attached to Anything it feels so weird She says so she tapped.
She said a lot of interesting things now that I've opened up this kettle of fish I'm sure more of the stories for of that will come out over the next few weeks But anyway,
She said no Katrina you're just in neutrality You're just floating in neutral and I I said oh What do I do there Like it's like I'm just floating in a pond,
But there's no wind there's nothing and again sure I can do it for a little while and I'm on vacation,
But eventually it's like but Shouldn't I want something?
Like shouldn't I have a desire shouldn't I have a drive shouldn't I have something that?
You know and She says no This is a beautiful level of consciousness that you need to explore And she says this is why we meditate we meditate to achieve neutrality We meditate we we try to heal our karma.
We try to heal our our shadow We try to do this is what we do so that we can come to a neutral position and I was like And it was so weird and it was it was really interesting but later my question to the universe became Well,
Then how do you navigate neutrality so imagine you're in a relationship?
And you're completely neutral You're not attached to whether you're with this person or not you're not attached to how they feel You're truly neutral If they love you and they want to be with you they're not attached to how they feel If they love you and they want to be with you,
That's great If they no longer love you and it's time to separate paths,
Then that's also good Like imagine like for I love passion and romance and stuff like I wasn't ready to step into neutrality It's like no I want I want to care I want to feel that I want it,
You know So it's really really really interesting It's it's a very interesting place to navigate because we have so much attached to all that attachment Like we have it's almost like we just don't know any different.
It's almost every Hollywood movie every Disney movie it's all about the passions and the issues That are all below the line So,
How do we feel alive above the line The interesting thing about neutrality is you start to feel Your own power like you start to feel this beautiful sense of self Because you're no longer living Like in the pinball machine of other people's lives You are now feeling you You are now feeling you You are in the center of your reality You aren't swayed by other people's guilt or shame or anger or control Like you you cannot be controlled by other people anymore so all of a sudden someone comes along and they they try to drop a guilt trip on you and And you just look at them like you just sort of go What?
Someone asks you to do something you go.
Yeah,
That doesn't work.
Yeah Well,
What about what how am I you know when they go into some guilt trip and you just look at them and you go?
It just doesn't work it's not personal it doesn't work and it's so weird because none nothing works anymore People can't impose their own guilt on you People can't impose some kind of pride thing on you.
What will people think you're like,
I don't know what people would think Like why why would it matter what people think like the big neutrality is it's like this whole new playground of Life,
It's almost like the foundation of a whole new way of being where you drive your boat It's like you cannot be intimidated Next week,
I think we're talking about desire well If someone if you are driven by desire if you're doing we'll talk a lot about desire,
But if you are driven by that Then someone can intimidate you or control you by taking away that which you desire well,
If you don't do this and you're not gonna get Whatever.
Well if you live in neutrality,
You're like Okay Like it's like it's like trying to sort water or something,
You know,
It's the push hands of tai chi You can't you can't control someone who's truly neutral?
Right,
So it's kind of like a It's like imagine living your life And you have no karmas in the back seat driving you No old stories no past lives no past relationships Not your childhood not anything Nothing is driving from the back seat You have a wide open road and you get to go anywhere you want That's the way it is That's neutrality Like imagine I used to uh I don't know one of the courses I used to teach I used to have this picture of this guy.
It's a real picture of a guy and he's got like 45 backpacks on his back And he's walking carrying these 45 backpacks on his back That's like living below the line It's like just all the junk all the stuff and again,
It's not like today We're just gonna drop all the backpacks and live in pure freedom and neutrality.
It's not like that But just knowing that this is a worthy goal Just knowing that if I drop some of my backpacks That if I drop some of this stuff I could live with that open road ahead of me That's a possibility.
So sometimes it's just a case of knowing it's possible and saying Okay,
I'm putting that out to the universe Yeah today may not be that day But I I like the direction I dig it,
Right So I'm gonna take a moment to just close our eyes This is neutrality So even just for a moment like let's just take a moment and just close our eyes And just breathe that in imagine a neutral space That is held on to you gets released they just get released.
It's not a fight.
It's just a release Just for now and you get to float in this neutral Clear space And you really feel your soul just you It's very very interesting space to play with when we meditate to really Really live in that space like so imagine when we meditate and we allow thoughts to come in and we allow them to float through What are we doing?
We're practicing neutrality We are developing a visceral experience of this neutral space We don't have to force it this is not a force this is an inner power this is an inner sense of self That's why in meditation there's no forcing it's almost like we're getting out of the habit of forcing No matter what we're just gonna sit here.
It's okay.
Just come back to the breath That's okay.
We'll just come back to the breath.
It's like training a puppy You know if a puppy scampers over there You know you just go over you just grab the puppy and you just bring it back over here and then it scampers over there and you just bring the puppy back.
It's not force It's just it's okay or children or whoever it's just like just we'll just come back here Easy-peasy no worries.
Maybe it happens today.
Maybe it happens tomorrow,
But we just practice neutrality Maybe we practice neutrality in little aspects of our life You know I remember even as a mom Looking at my kids and knowing That the more neutral I am The more I can help them The clearer space I can give for them to grow The more rigid I am I'm just imposing my stuff on them.
I'm just imposing my karmas on them I'm you know,
You know that what do they call it the Seven generations or the sins of the forefathers or whatever you want to call it That's my rigidity as a parent If I can release all that and truly trust that they will grow into whoever they're going to be Then I just get to enjoy it So there's all kinds of little aspects of my life that I can give to them I just get to enjoy it.
So there's all kinds of little aspects of our life.
Maybe there's little topics That we actually can practice neutrality not apathy but neutrality that we truly Just back up a little and we take a bigger picture and we go Well,
I can definitely Imagine your point of view or if I can't imagine your point of view That's okay,
Too It's all good.
There's room for all of us You know Willingness willingness is the next level In the chart there's numbers courage is 200 Neutrality is 250 And these numbers this is a logarithmic scale,
Which means that it's Exponential it's not just 250 isn't 50 more than 200 it's take um 10 to the 250 zeros so 1 and 250 zeros As opposed to 10 to 200 zeros.
This is considerably more even than courage Willingness is 310 Is 310 310 this is 110 more Decimal places than courage so willingness if you imagine neutrality is the new playing field Willingness is the gateway into an entirely different way of existing This is where You're open to whatever is next on your journey I am willing Is that the call we talk a lot about satya?
Hearing intuition How do we walk our life?
How do we walk our life in truth?
Now imagine you really trust that right you trust this inner guidance And the guidance comes and you go Okay And you just say yes So when we are in a state of willingness our growth is rapid Because We are listening right first of all we're neutral so we're not getting pulled by all the world around us So by neutral I mean centered and listening And now a call comes and we say oh that's the call Really and we don't even have to like the call we could just go That's that's really the call Okay And this call isn't coming from outside of us it's not calling coming from people or bosses or partners or kids or friends It's inner inner inner inner right so all of a sudden it's like Okay,
I'll try that And this is where we make quantum leaps in our life This is where our life changes and we don't even remember the old life Because we followed that little voice inside And really crazy things happened maybe we I remember uh I moved to Toronto I lived in Toronto for a couple years like in 2016 Then I moved to a little town in Ontario called Stratford and and I Just knew I wanted to live by the water.
I found a lovely place to live But I had no community.
I didn't know anybody there really I had you know a couple friends,
But Not really community and I was kind of used to having You know people I like having community and friends and students and colleagues and I like that and So I would kind of sit Pondering I might say I was sitting in prayer meditation,
But really I was just sitting staring at the river Asking questions of the universe Asking questions of the universe and it was like so how do I find community here?
You know How do I find my people and the answer that came was maybe you should volunteer for the symphony And i'm like What I mean,
I would listen to classical music I love to listen to classical music while i'm working because it has no work to do I love to listen to classical music while i'm working because it has no words right so it's it doesn't distract my thought It's sort of like lovely background company,
Right?
I thought but I wasn't like a classical music enthusiast by a long shot I thought volunteer for the symphony That's weird Okay Let's let's do it,
Right?
And so I volunteer for the symphony thinking i'm gonna get to like attend Events and you know tell people where the bathrooms are and stuff like that Well instead they found out that I had been a computer programmer and I was quite computer savvy.
So next thing,
You know,
They have me Completely fixing their website and doing their market research and doing all this stuff other and I was like,
I don't want to I don't want to do your computer stuff And yet that seemed to be what was happening and I was like Okay,
I'll do that So then I end up meeting this I did make all kinds of great friends and specifically this one woman who had been called in to the symphony To she loved the symphony,
But she was a marketing person like extraordinary Like,
You know those people who who talk marketing And you don't even know what they're talking about like that was us like so she she and I became good friends And I would go over to her house.
I go over to her house one day and we're having dinner and she's like hardcore marketing Jargon that I don't even know what she's talking about and she's like we've got to increase our bench strength And then we've got to circle back and do this and she's got all this really fun jargon that I don't i'm literally Trying to interpret what she's saying because I know what she's saying is english But I have no idea what she's actually saying and i'm so i'm really busy trying to like sort out what she's saying And all of a sudden out of nowhere She looks at me and she says Do you know what your karmic question is katrina?
I said No And she says Whether you're a gypsy or a settler you need to decide And I went What and then she went right back into we need to increase the bench strength on the thing and the symphonic thing and i'm like What just happened?
Then of course I go home and my daughter was I think she was in finland then and uh or no,
She was in ireland and I I I called her and I Facetimed her i'm like taylor You wouldn't believe what this woman said to me like what is she talking about?
My daughter being my daughter looks at me and she's like Mom,
I think you know what the answer is And I was like and that became the beginning of the call when I realized That I needed to give everything away and begin traveling the world There's something magical about living in willingness It's like it begins with that trust of neutrality And then you go really?
This is what's being placed in my lap interesting.
I don't understand it But let's see where this road goes And the next thing you know,
You're giving all your stuff away and you find yourself on a plane to ireland like This is really exciting and fun like what does life feel like?
And I think all of us will have moments where we have felt this It's not static.
It's not like we're always above the line or below the line or whatever,
You know,
It moves and shifts But imagine just always living in this willingness like imagine an employment People who live in willingness Are never worried about money or employment because they're willing to take any job They don't have pride attached to the job they have they don't have anything attached to it and so if for whatever reason they need to change jobs or get a lower paying job or a entry level job Right,
Well if that's what I need to put roof over my head or well then that's that's what I have to do It's not a there's nothing to it again.
It begins with that neutrality And then the pure willingness to do whatever comes There's nothing attached to it and then we just see where the world takes us from there or even in relationships And then we just see where the world takes us from there Or even in relationships you imagine,
You know,
Something goes amok and And you go well I guess we'll explore this new path You know,
And it's just it's just easy peasy and and it's also an adventure Right,
It's it's it's one of the things like I love about tantra because the when we bring tantra into relationships And this could be any relationship it can be friendships.
It can be relationships with children parents,
Whatever But and it can definitely be an intimacy That as soon as we have kind of a neutrality in the relationship that we say I don't need you in my life like a codependent thing But I sure do like you and I sure do appreciate you And i'm really intrigued to see what would happen if the two of us were together What would happen if the two of us were together?
You know And it's not an attachment.
It's just a I mean if one day this go this happens well,
Then that happens But in the meantime,
Wow,
I'd sure love to spend some time with you And then all of a sudden willingness comes so now imagine say you're making love Right.
So and again you have neutrality It's not like you're like going for the orgasm or going to get off or all this kind of thing.
You're just like Hey,
Look at us all hanging out naked Like it's just fun.
There's no nothing loaded.
There's no fear.
There's no guilt.
There's no shame.
There's no pride.
There's no nothing You're just like floating in neutrality And all of a sudden this little this little thing inside of you says Well,
We we could do this.
Oh Well,
That'd be fun.
Okay,
And you play You just play in willingness Imagine feeling how how relaxed your body is How open your heart is It's just like you're just children playing like,
Okay.
Yeah,
That'd be a fun game.
Let's try that There's no attachment to success.
There's no attachment to how it turns out.
It doesn't it doesn't matter It's just willingness.
It's just fun So people who live in willingness Tend to have very high self-esteem why like what does that mean?
Because they know that no matter what comes they'll just respond Oh,
I've lost my job well,
Then i'll get another one there's always there's always work Oh That one didn't work out.
Well There's more people in the world.
There's another opportunity Like it sounds it like in our world.
This sounds very pollyanna Right.
This sounds very rose-colored glasses.
Nothing's really like that.
Nobody thinks like that But what if it's very possible What if that's the goal what if that's the thing that says wow would I ever love to be in that state But you can imagine the importance of first fully embracing new trials Right,
Once we're playing in this beautiful neutral space and we're comfortable there then we can say Okay So what's the next step what do you want to do?
It doesn't matter what it is.
Let's just go do something fun So you can imagine in that state there's sort of this eternal optimism almost that Well,
We'll just see how it's gonna turn out people who live in willingness are there's that self-correcting thing where If the if the boat gets off path,
It's like let's just bring it back this way.
Oh it went over here Oh,
We'll just come back over here When we talk about truth when we talk about satya when we talk about our guiding our guiding force whatever that is for you It's almost like we get to explore that reality I did a talk a while ago long time ago.
It was one of the first talks I ever did on insight time were called Tantra is not hedonism because one of the Confusion pieces in the tantra world in some tantra communities is there's a teacher who says You have to be willing to do anything you have to be open to anything So that gets misinterpreted as you need to do you need to be able to do anything and so it turns into You need to be open to kink.
You need to be open to polyamory.
You need to be open to the again You need to be open to Bondage you need to be open to like this whole thing and again nothing against anything But that's not what the teaching is the teaching is that on your journey because tantra is a spiritual journey On your spiritual journey as your truth rises as your guidance rises To be willing to say yes to it It's always from inside You know,
We really are living our own Our own existence here.
It's has very Little to do with what other people want of us,
You know So i'm gonna put my glasses on i'd be happy to see your questions or comments I'm talking like a hippie I know i'm so happy I know i'm so in denial of my hippie nature How can I feel neutral when I see my dad suffering and he has too much pain from cancer I would appreciate if you can share your experience with your mom Neutral isn't not caring You can be so loving You can be so loving and compassionate for your dad So So much love Oh the opposite of neutrality is they have to live no matter what or even I hope he's out of his suffering soon.
Like both thoughts do come to us whether we like it or not Neutrality says I trust that when it's time it'll be time And so within that trust I'm going to spend whatever time I can with him And there's something about releasing all requirement for it to go a certain way That lets us have better conversations,
You know better conversations with them Can you hold more than one level of consciousness at a time?
The way David Hawkins would answer this question I believe Is he would test muscle test you and find what your general level is And what happens is no matter like let's say even Let's say you're at courage Then it's almost like how we resonate is like a sine wave Going above and below that line because we're always moving So maybe you might come up into willingness or come up into neutrality and then down into pride and anger You know and to realize that All of the emotions are healthy Sometimes anger is very important and it has nothing to do with living in that state It's when we get stuck,
Right?
So we sort of like we oscillate around a certain level and as we heal it seems that that consciousness seems to rise And we then start,
You know,
Like let's say you start oscillating in neutrality.
You're going to start going up between Willingness you're going to start playing in that Neutrality comes from acceptance I find personally Neutrality is the most important thing in our life Neutrality really comes from trust Like trust in the universe,
You know I think it was Einstein that I said the most important question you need to ask yourself Is whether you believe the world is a safe place or not?
And if you believe the world is safe Then you will trust whatever happens And if you don't believe so Then it's like you always have to have your hands on the wheel.
You always have to be pedaling you have to hold a position So for me neutrality really when I know I'm not being neutral because it happens all the time I like self-righteous indignation I really have to meditate and ask what I'm not trusting If you have been living below the line in long-term relationships How do you move to neutrality without developing apathy for those relationships and leaving those you have loved?
Here on insight timer I uploaded the first few chapters of my book tantric intimacy and they're all about love And the first one's all about agape About truly loving others You know through god's eyes or through that big picture and I believe that's where We can start to heal long-term relationships that are below the line That we really start exercising love and kindness and acceptance for each other I don't know and then we start to change and then we maybe Maybe we make different choices,
Right?
Can you talk a little bit about neutrality and social justice and spiritual bypassing That's a really really really big question And I wrestle between the idea of neutrality and social justice a lot that's a real conflict So I can only tell you my sense of it and what brings me peace I believe that for many people their soul is called to something And if their soul is called to rise in any time in anywhere in the world for a million reasons Then it is more it actually is more important About their soul to be able to be in the world important about their soul's journey Than the outward effects There's something about that person's soul that needs to rise They need to find this strength The fact that it may affect the world is one thing but it's actually about that soul's journey even gondi Gandhi was really if you ever read his autobiography He wasn't actually he was moved by social justice But his journey through it was very personal A real dance with his own satya his own truth his own connection to god his own Calling walking forward And so in all revolutions in all difficult times the question we each have to ask ourselves is What is my role in this time?
For some it might be Marching on the front line for others it may be caring for others for others.
It may be Something completely different that also has to exist in this time So it really is about Neutrality still trusts that all is right,
But it doesn't mean we do nothing It doesn't mean we float it means we take like look at willingness What if martin luther king said?
He he was like,
Okay,
I trust it's like and then He got the call And he went out in the world,
But in the end he trusted god You know,
And I don't want to get all religious and weird about it But just that would be what I would assume not that I know his inner thoughts But I would assume that it in his foundation He lived in trust and he was called so he said yes So It's a really really good question Can you address how to be neutral yet also be present and engaged and to fully show up in the relationship And to fully show up in the relationship Totally because it how I think it helps us Clarify our intention for even being in the relationship To love someone completely And for them to know that they are free to be themselves and again this it's not about Oh,
So I should just be with other people that's like we have so many hang-ups about relationships.
We have so much Fear around relationships that if I don't hold tight they're gonna go they're gonna disappear they're gonna leave It's like no As soon as I am holding neutral space for each other I trust that if we are meant to be together than we are together I don't have to hold on to you so tight.
I can just I can just enjoy your company.
So then when i'm with you,
I am fully present And i'm happy to be here and I want to do stuff with you and I want to I want to the reason i'm here Is because I like being with you So let's go do stuff Let's have fun together.
Let's listen to each other.
Let's support each other.
Let's do fun stuff I think we're actually more present when we're neutral because we're not resting on our laurels and just Living in expectation We're really really really present I am very neutral in my life.
My husband is not Is there a way for him to understand the neutral position?
It's been a constant issue in our marriage Who knows who knows maybe he's there as contrast for you to really understand yourself I'm really intrigued with how contrast helps us find who we are Because there's nothing we can do about someone else's path that's their journey that's their Soul's path and we make our choices When do we begin with bliss See the thing is for the bliss the bliss the neutrality is the beginning of that Because as soon as we really accept neutrality as soon as we embrace it It's like your whole backbone releases All that stuff all the hooks in you are gone It's like you start to breathe deeply You start to feel the sunshine you start to feel the fact that you woke up this morning How cool is that that we all woke up this morning?
Then all of a sudden we enjoy neutrality in the day We're not attached to how today works out.
Maybe we have some great plans And we set out,
You know,
We can set out our to-do list and then we just start to play But life becomes much more flowing and playful than oh if this does it because as soon as we say this must get done today It's like I'm gritting my teeth and I'm my backbone is solid and you know and bliss is no longer But you could have a million things you wanted to accomplish today And when we play in neutrality and we truly know that well this is my goal if it doesn't happen it wasn't meant to happen There's always tomorrow We're very very attached to time like so So attached to accomplishments and time and we really think that it's really important Thank you guys so much for being here I hope you have a wonderful day Or a wonderful evening or a wonderful sleep wherever you are in the world And we'll see you guys soon
