Healing Division - Dissecting The Wisdom Of Shaltazar

And welcome back to another episode of dissecting the wisdom of shelters are with my good friend collaborator Mark Lane,

Welcome back mark.

Hi Jeffrey.

How are you today?

I'm good.

I'm really good lots of interesting things happening in the in the world of energy,

I'm I can't really describe what I'm feeling and what some of my clients are feeling but I think we're Mmm,

We're into some interesting shift.

I keep seeing some some numbers on my clock 555 I'm seeing on a regular basis and I'm a big fan of numerology And and that's telling me that there are major changes and shifts happening in my life.

So I am looking forward to the Coming weeks and months.

How about you?

Yeah The same I kind of feel like we know we talked a little bit about that that seasonal transition on the last episode.

I Feel like we're kind of crawling out of that or climbing out of that And I also I would be remiss if I didn't mention that that you just coined a great t-shirt phrase shift shifts happen Yeah,

There you go shifts happen,

Yeah,

Mm-hmm It's it seems like the you know,

And maybe you know,

Maybe it's the lunar energy that's changed a little bit because you know,

There was it was a rare full moon on Halloween and I know that the Dogs and the many females I live with That it impacts them certainly.

So maybe that that kind of that anxious energy is kind of calmed down a bit Yeah,

No,

I noticed that as well also,

You know as well as that that full moon Mercury went out of retrograde it it mercury went direct we also in in our part of the world we had the time change we moved from daylight saving and and you know,

I'm finding myself getting up early and and there's definitely an energy shift afoot and You know That's one thing to keep in mind is often what we're feeling is not just us that there I firmly believe that the the higher power is always sort of playing with the energy dials and the recalibration dials and And sometimes we think it's like,

You know,

Is it because I didn't sleep well,

Is it because I didn't eat well I you know,

What is it that caused me to be you know off or out of sorts and I'm I'm a firm believer That it's not always us and the the power that we have is how we choose to respond To those energy shifts as as you know on that new teacher that you and I are gonna get the shift happens And I really had to watch how I said that by the way,

Thank you for You noticed I slowed down a little bit that that one's a bit of a tongue twister,

Right?

You set me up on that one.

But but as this shift happens,

It's important to realize that You know,

It's it's nothing that we did necessarily.

We shouldn't necessarily take it personal.

We should Mmm be a little bit objective and say well,

What can I do?

Because of this this energy shift Right,

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah,

I guess I always Think about you know,

How do I respond do I?

You know,

Does it does it bother me or do I just kind of you know?

Float along in the inner tube and and see where it leads you know,

It's interesting you say that because I was working with a client this morning and it reminded me of something I learned from one of my coaches and she taught me that there is a a different energy between reacting and responding and Reacting is very much an automatic Conditioned thing where you you just react and it's coming from,

You know,

The ingrained neural pathways That that you've developed where is responding she used to call it response able in other words.

We are Responsible for how we respond.

It's a much more proactive response is is proactive whereas reaction is reactive and and so if you can respond and and we've talked about this before The message mining the mind talks about becoming more self-aware and consciously choosing how you respond You will find that you can get through life.

I believe a little bit easier than always reacting right right It's a more a more measured approach to that reaction then It makes you get conscious there's that another one of my coaches said that there's a two and a half second delay from from when something happens to how you React or respond and in that two and a half seconds You kind of have to decide am I going to react and do it in a mindless way or am I going to be?

Mindful and respond and I think that's what what I hear you talking about and that's because you continue to You know move up the circles in consciousness and and good for you So I hope so.

Yeah.

Yeah,

So have you got a topic that we're gonna chat about today.

I do We're gonna we're gonna get a little controversial.

So buckle up the the last our last episode our last week's conversation we talked about the unseen world and as You know,

You know and all the listeners know there's this little election thing going on here in the United States Oh,

I hadn't heard about it.

Oh,

I guess cuz yeah,

Yes,

We're in Canada and we don't really care.

Haha,

Right,

Right Well,

Yeah,

We have this we have a democracy down here it's It's an interesting it's an interesting topic of conversation We're recording this on Thursday,

Which is two days after the election and there's still no no decided victor in the election so in a lot of you know a lot of controversy and a lot of a lot of Polarized opinions I think in terms of who thinks what's right what direction they feel the country you know this country should go and All this kind of got me to thinking about the about the the shelters our message.

It just doesn't matter and So let me kind of connect last week's conversation to that shelters our message the Idea of the unseen world we kind of talked about you know different modalities in different ways of making that connection and and actually having a more proactive relationship with the unseen world But there's another piece to it.

I think that And and as anybody who reads a lot of spiritual literature as I do and I know you do There's there's that idea of you know as above so below right and It stands to reason and it's and it's a logical assumption to make or it's a logical step to take that our cultural organization our social organization on this planet in many ways mirrors the social organization or the hierarchies in constructions of the unseen world right so we have a you know a democracy a democratic form of government of governance It's logical to assume that that that seems some sort of similar structure exists on the other side And I think that all this anxiety and all this fear that people have over You know,

You know which side of the fence this you know,

The who becomes president of the United States I don't know that it really matters because I am a firm believer in the idea that this Activity is going on beyond the veil and you kind of briefly talked about those when we were chatting at the beginning here I think there's there's a very active and proactive management of the affairs of mankind that's going on kind of behind the scenes and whereas they aren't logic,

I guess It stands the reason that they that they would not interfere and because you know,

We are you know We are humans do have free choice There's the same way we and get individuals get little nudges as to you know It's to know which direction to turn or which you know,

Which way to think or feel about something I think that's kind of going on behind the scenes and and I really don't think that that it's That they're gonna let us destroy ourselves or that they're or any one person one you know one man can you know be the the salvation or the destruction of mankind And I'm just gonna tag on to this a little bit You know,

I think what it's asking us to do is is kind of have faith and trust and this shelters our message It just doesn't matter.

There's a section paragraph here that says What would life be like for you?

If you surrendered your need to be in control If you simply believe to the deepest part of you that all would evolve as it was meant to It would require absolute faith and divine guidance That is very difficult for you because by incarnating in human form you were separated from that which we ask you to trust It is very difficult to trust that which the mind does not know in the mind does not know us For we are beyond comprehension of your mind We exist only in that part of you that feels that that senses we exist in the nothingness And so unless you are willing to trust that what you cannot see and cannot totally understand.

He will not truly know us And to me that kind of spoke to this whole Election situation.

I don't know what?

Yeah,

Well,

I got a whole bunch of thoughts buzzing around in my head and and and the the one Mmm a premise that you stated as above so below as below so above I Certainly agree with that with that premise and that belief but I think How it would be interpreted from above looking below and how it's interpreted from below looking above is two different perspectives one of the things that Mmm limit our ability to maybe understand this in a larger scale is that we come from a four-dimensional world And the higher power is a multi-dimensional world and I don't even want to think about how many dimensions there are I mean the big one that always brings me home is that Above there is no time and space and it's like I cannot imagine being here without time and space so there again we are in the midst of a time situation a in the United States a four-year presidential term and and you know the United States has just come off of four years with Donald Trump and now they're you know the Question is will there be another four years of Donald Trump or four years of Joe Biden and in the big scheme of things?

From above where there is no time that doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter and so It really depends on your perspective.

I know a lot of people and yes I was I was you know being silly when I said we don't you know we don't care Here in Canada of course we do every place in the world cares because the United States is a major Superpower and so how their politics plays out does affect the whole world not only a political superpower But an economic superpower,

But from the perspective is that it just doesn't matter I think you have to sort of erase the timeline and it it reminds me back when I was in business and a Left-leaning political party in in Canada There's something called the NDP the New Democratic Party and in our province We had elected a New Democratic premier and being in business I was petrified and of course you know there were there were legislations that that Gave more power to unions etc etc and as I look back at my 33 year History of business that was a blip it was very painful rather was very painful at the time But as I look back things continue to change and so one of the things we have to look at is I believe that the political situation in the United States is just the the energy of great potential for change as shelters are calls it playing out and What a better way to have that energy of potential than to have the divisiveness that we're facing I think the bigger issue In in from a political perspective is not who is going to win But the fact that your country is so just about evenly divided on To opposing forces and I think that's what we need to work on.

I think that's the message I think that's what matters if we choose to make it matter I Wanna I just sorry if I just want to go one step further I do believe and it was you that crafted that that that came up with the phrase a loosely crafted plan I also agree that that there is An interest for the higher power to make sure that we do not implode But all it is doing is creating the loosely crafted plan It is our decisions individually and as the collective consciousness that will determine that so It's really going to be important to see how this all plays out I am a big fan of trust and faith But not to the point where I say it doesn't matter what I do I can go and blow up a bomb and don't worry,

You know,

I could detonate a nuclear bomb But don't worry.

God will save the planet.

I'm not sure that I agree with that We still have to have a sense of personal responsibility within that loosely crafted plan we had World War two millions of people got killed We didn't obliterate the planet,

But we certainly reduced it and and and caused a Shrinking of humanity,

So that's not to say that we will not have events that we humans cause that affect our humanity,

But I do agree in the in the larger scheme of things I Think the source does want this Experiment called planet Earth to continue right?

I agree.

Yeah,

I think there's a there the source has a vested interest in you know and we've talked about this before kind of the idea that were that were were the the forefront of creation right the ragged edge of of creation where our experiences are No the building blocks of sources understanding of his creation,

Right?

So You know without us source doesn't grow source doesn't expand the universe stops expanding.

So I mean it's some level And it's some way shape or form,

You know,

We must continue this work that we're doing,

You know,

Like you said,

You know,

I Have a strong sense that it's not gonna look the way it has in the past is it's gonna be a vastly different Civilization that you know,

We'll see no not in our lifetime,

But you know in future generations and and it's going to continue But in a much different Framework right and and if you sort of look at what we're going through How else are we going to get that different framework in in in one of the other?

In in one of the recent messages from shelters are a new you a new world They talk about tearing down the old now,

You know not being an American I'm not sure that it's it's appropriate for me to comment on your political system,

But I think it is Racked with problems and the whole electoral college.

I mean there's there's got to be a better way of Electing a democracy and and you know and and then I'm starting to hear you know That that Donald Trump wants to take things to court and it's like well Isn't this the same guy that stacked the court with with people that you know that that are sympathetic to his To his way of thinking and it's like well,

I think back in civics class I learned that the judiciary was supposed to be very objective So what's happening with that?

That's not making any sense And I think it's important for people like you and I people who have been on this journey people who are working on their consciousness to look at it from a sense of objectivity and not look at simply the results of Who's going to win and who's gonna lose but is there something wrong with the system?

And I really believe that that's what this is all about.

I mean Unpleasant for those going through it But if you were the source what a great way to stir things up so that we could begin to rebuild shelters are I Interpreted as shelters are keeps calling it a new world order Well in order for us to have a new world order we have to sort of dismantle the old World order and I think what's going on in politics not only in the United States But in other countries in the world is this stirring up so that we can rethink what is important and and I think that that's that's I think it's really important to move beyond the results of winning and losing and Looking at the divisiveness.

I have never I'm 68 years old.

I have never seen such divisiveness and infighting and and it's not you know that and I think that's why the pollsters keep getting it wrong because It doesn't go by education.

It doesn't go necessarily by race.

There's there is a dissatisfaction that is coming out and manifesting itself in this divisiveness in this infighting between you know Democrats and Republicans and and and You know again as an observer.

I mean you open this up,

And yes,

This is more controversial Maybe less spiritual so you're gonna have to calm me down One of the things that that was very interesting again as from an outsider's perspective is I always Thought that Americans were Americans first and in something else second they were their religion They were their race they were whatever they were political affiliation second.

They were Americans first I Am not seeing that I am seeing that people are either Republican or Democrat first and You know maybe American second or third and and that is That is I think we're going in the wrong way,

And I think that's the way we can fix it I really believe that you know if the source was rooting for anything in that loosely crafted plan It's that we wake up and begin to realize that we are a single humanity That we were all brothers and sisters no matter what our race Religion creed you name it and unless we start working together We will be doing damage.

I'm not sure we will obliterate this planet as you said and I would agree I don't think that serves the source's higher interest I I think too much energy was put into building this experiment called planet Earth But it's up to us as to how much damage we do in this period of great potential for change I agree I agree,

And I have a solution all right President Mark Lane Is it too late for me to vote for you?

Oh darn That means I have to wait four years I'm gonna be so old in order to vote you in so that you can put your solution in but kidding aside I think any solution,

And I'm anxious to hear your solution can be implemented now It doesn't have to work within the constraints in the institutions and the paradigms We currently have shelters are says that not to look at the at the enormity of the situation But realize that as you change the whole changes right right?

Yeah Yeah,

We seem to be primed in a place where the time constraints have been lessened and and Change can be more immediate and and impactful so your solution my friend.

I'm waiting with bated breath well So and I have to I have to give my wife credit for the solution because she she she came up with it And we kind of talked about it this morning,

And it's it's it's it's really a good.

It's really a good idea You know you mentioned that the that the country's kind of divided almost evenly in half So instead of having one winner and one president.

Why don't we have two?

You know we lock them both in a room like toddlers Let them throw their toys and and break things and make a mess,

But you know Force them to work together and to incorporate their you know They're they're they're half of the agenda into one cohesive plan That would then unite these two sides these two you know polarized factions of people and Find some sort of compromise in the middle you know it's kind of what you know what presidents have to do with with opposing You know opposing Congress's,

But you know we're just taking it right to the right to the to the head guys and force them to Reconcile and and cooperate I love it I love it,

And I'm gonna you know in order to sort of bring it back to a more spiritual perspective I I think that is the answer I hear what you're saying in the very specific issue of politics But whether it's politics or life.

I think the answer is Moving the separation to unity and and I got to tell you that shelters are you know I?

Can hear them clapping as I say that because you and I have talked about this a lot from a spiritual perspective The planet Earth is that experiment in the duality Where I think the the the ultimate purpose of human life other than our individual purposes I do believe that we do have you know individual purposes But that ultimate purpose I think is to move beyond the duality and bring it back to the unity in the oneness And so what you in a microcosm have talked about is the greatest Spiritual teaching that I have learned from shelters are and that is moving away from the divisiveness moving away from the separation and Looking at it from a place of unity and oneness you know I'm Democrats Republicans Canadians Americans Europeans we're all human beings what if we are forced to sit down and Work out our differences for the good of the whole right Well,

And in let's let's kind of take a step back from all this and I mean you you you know You're you're looking at it as an outsider right from you know from the Canadian point of view Politics in the United States has become you know patently ridiculous.

You know it's it's almost comical you know the media has it's all kind of a gigantic farce and You have to wonder if if that's also on purpose.

I mean I Not wondering.

I actually believe it is on purpose to Kind of make people step back and say you know this is juvenile and ridiculous.

You know instead of following You know these political leaders.

Maybe it's time for us just to follow our own hearts and do what we feel is right and not be You know so beholden to to the party line and to kind of develop our own party line And and I think that that once you start getting into that Frame of mind or frame of heart will call it.

You know you start getting along with people right you know you don't you don't You stop seeing Other people as one of them,

And you start seeing them as one of us all right And and so let me ask you a question right because here We are we brought this up a few times in today's episode you're American.

I'm Canadian right,

But what's more important To you the fact that we are brethren Spiritual seekers or that you're an American.

I'm in a Canadian oh Oh exactly I couldn't care.

I mean you could be from Mars.

I don't care where you're from you know we're we're of like spirit and and we have a connection and and we You know we are trying to understand this for ourselves And then to try to also help other people understand all of this stuff so Again,

It just doesn't matter right right by the way.

I'm not from Mars.

I'm from Calcitron And I laugh because when I was channeling shelters are before the name shelters are came Calcitron came and and and I thought oh is that who I'm channeling but I've Later come to realize that Calcitron is a place,

And I have nowhere I have no idea where it is,

But every once in a while I I kid my wife that you know might be time for me to go back to Calcitron But but you're absolutely right you see I think the answer is to start focusing on What is similar about us as human beings not what separates us and and?

We all know the law of attraction that you get what you focus on and what we are focusing on in the world right now Is the divisiveness right the right the wrong who's handling COVID the right way who's handling it the wrong way?

What about the politics we need to focus on?

The unity on what what binds us what makes us the same.

There's that old Cherokee wisdom,

And I'm not sure whether you heard it But it goes something like the grandson asked the old Cherokee grandfather You know so for advice and the grandfather says that there are two wolves wolves fighting inside of him and inside of everyone else and he goes on to say that one wolf is and describes all of the things that are fear and anger and ego and Materialism and on and on and on and that the other wolf the good wolf that one's the bad wolf the good wolf is the one that is all Harmony and love and and and all of those what we would call good Characteristics or features and the young grandson looks at the grandfather and says which wolf wins and the Grandfather simply says the wolf that you feed and so what are we going to feed unity or separation?

What are we going to feed divisiveness or?

Cooperation and collaboration and so you know we're just about out of time so I want to bring this back to You know more in the spirit of what these episodes are all about and that is forget about the politics what can you do what can you which wolf are you going to feed and You and I love to feed that wolf of not American versus Canadian But feed that wolf of spiritual seekers that are trying to make ourselves in humanity better,

Right,

Right?

Yeah,

It's it's definitely It's going to be a grassroots effort right it's it's gonna the the change is not going to happen from a government or from Political leadership they had the change is going to happen you know between you and me and the guy next door and our friends and kids that that's where it's going to start and it's going to rise up and eventually overtake the government and force them to change versus it being the Traditional you know top-down management that we've been that we've you know grown accustomed to over the past you know a few centuries.

Yeah,

I agree.

I agree Ah what a topic a little bit of a diversion and and I'm glad we had this because it's top of mind for a lot of people in the world and I think it's important to realize That as spiritual seekers we need to talk about the reality of humanity And that is what we're facing today and so I believe that that that both the political situation and Our spiritual beliefs can be united I encourage everybody to be the change you want to see in the world Amen yeah any final words mark No,

Sir.

I think I think that does it excellent.

Thank you so much.

It was an interesting topic And I hope our listeners enjoyed it