Podcast - Your Realignment In 2020 Live From The Red Earth In Uluru

On a journey to Uluru, Johnson Chong, the Founder of Exodus Retreats and the author of Sage Sapien: From Karma to Dharma, and Kira Saundra, the Founder of the Panther Process discuss the Saturn-Pluto conjunction of Jan 12/13th, 2020 and how this affects what is to unfold in the new decade. The two of them demystify the mystical and relate their recent travel to this sacred aboriginal site, and share their insights and revelations from water fasting to being in stillness with the land.

Transcript

Hi everyone,

How's it going?

This is Johnson Chong the founder of Exodus Retreats and the author of Sage Sapien from karma to Dharma And I'm here with a really cool awesome lady my friend and the founder of the Panther process Kira Sandra and Today is and leading up to tomorrow depends on which side of the world you're in is the 2020 conjunction Oh,

Baby.

We've heard a lot about this haven't we Johnson we have and we're actually in the midst of feeling things coming up to it and so Astrological mamatone.

That's what's going on with this conjunction.

What does that mean?

I feel like it,

You know any probably most people that are listening to this maybe not Maybe some have already heard so much about this whole buzz around 2020 2020 and all the astrology around it So I'll keep it keep it brief and for those that are have more questions that are more interested We can definitely address that a later time it basically what's happening is the two Titans The two of the biggest Titans in the in the cosmos Pluto the Kundalini the soul the shadow transformation sex death rebirth Is meeting in the sky with Saturn and Saturn is?

Crystallization mastery control and as they meet in the sky in Capricorn It's basically this initiation of the whole year and as the other planets Also come into this conjunction and what we call a stellium.

So right now we've got mark Mercury Mars,

We will have Jupiter joining them later in the game and it's basically just setting the tone for this restructuring 2019 Easy year.

Oh,

Yeah.

Yeah,

He was very full and that was full indeed and that's basically setting the tone for 2020 so what does that mean in English?

What it means is that we are laying the groundwork in the foundation for the new paradigms of our lives And it's very special time and time Using that word and that phrase is really interesting because it's Saturn rules time father time,

Right?

We think of that that old father time that's Kronos.

That's what Saturn does.

It's this patriarchal figure that makes structure out of energy and Time doesn't exist.

It's a three-dimensional concept and as we move into these energies We're all noticing that things are moving in and out of linear time We make contracts or we start things and then they they finish right away or don't execute and they take really unexpected turns Things are completing a lot faster.

They're completing with perhaps an interesting twist or a sense of aggression or violence And to add to that and how that kind of played out for ourselves this morning So our friend who were staying with last night We were having a nice good old time Just making some brownies and what we did is we forgot to lock the front door and what?

What we awoke to was a stranger in the house who clearly was Intoxicated or on some sort of substance we in this little community where there's a few different apartments in this enclosure They have to restructure their safety and so that Popped up out of the blue in such a way that it seemed like we were very threatened.

Our safety was under and so It can seem like it's a very turbulent time Things that may come out of the blue or unexpected if we look at them as opportunities to grow as opposed to oh gosh Why is this happening to me?

Then we'll be able to move through it and make it a breakthrough Versus a breakdown.

Yeah with any change that those are really what it's about You know,

It's the breakthrough the breakdown and they're one in the same the interesting note about this morning is our friend lives in a very Beautiful posh area and something like this is very unexpected and For me,

It's so I mean it's comical to even think about For me to wake up In her guest room upstairs and see a strange man.

I literally look over and I have first have to check myself Am I in 3d right now?

Who is ancestor am I seeing what be am I being am I talking to still dreaming?

What's happening?

What's going on and being the fact that you know,

We do what we do in this world and I do what I do Especially with all the shadow work that I do.

I really had to check myself and see am I in the time construct?

Am I in the body or you know,

Am I sort of shifting through planes and other dimensions?

And the thing is is that yes,

It's it's definitely can be alarming But it was more annoying than alarming and this guy was like,

Oh my god I'm gonna be in the moment because I'm not gonna be in the moment But it was just a big symbol of how things are playing out on a bigger level.

Yeah,

For sure So let's backtrack a little so where were we last week?

Yeah last week or earlier this week It all feels like it was a very long time ago We were in Uluru in Central Australia in the Northern Territory,

Which is considered the spiritual heartland of Australia and On a last-minute impromptu solar chakra of the planet.

Yes the solar plexus if you follow chakras and the birthplace debatably of all humanity according to the aboriginals Yeah the cave of life the place where the unborn souls are waiting to emerge and so we decided to have this impromptu trip to create new space in our lives is you know,

We personally are moving into new spaces in our lives and also to offer some prayers and prayers and also to offer some prayers and meditations to the land is as you might know that Australia is moving through a very difficult time with the fires that are you know that have destroyed lots of homes and almost half a million animals Australia's reconstructing and Yes,

And it's a big crisis and it's hitting close to home for many people People are in a place of grief and of loss and so we wanted to do something on a larger consciousness scale to help with change and to those people who are not familiar with quantum science and with the new studies of consciousness there are lots of studies that show how Just focusing and witnessing and putting our intention on an object on Physical matter it shifts and changes energetically and there is many many different studies and tests that we don't have to go into We're just gonna really hit on just the bullet points of what we experienced in Uluru and in Uluru there were some tales that we were following some research from older mystics that have been laying the groundwork of What we call the ley lines of the earth and these are these are like the passageways through which energy travels throughout the planet And so we were following the different points and sites to sit with the land to make offerings to Sometimes we drum sometimes we intuitively sang and made sounds Sometimes we just got naked and rolled around in the red earth my personal faith.

Yeah That was very liberating and very free What we were in fact doing was just listening and being there There was a sense of just dropping in and listening to what it is that needed to shift in our own personal hearts in our bodies in our minds in our psychology so that we could create a ripple in the entire fabric of collective consciousness And this is really what is being called of every single person in this planet right now to step up and to make those shifts Internally so that it can reflect externally because as you know,

If you're already on a spiritual path Everything around us is not a coincidence The people that come into your lives the random strangers that break into your house in the morning They are all a reflection of something that needs to be looked at in our lives whether it's big or small I mean,

It's it's a very classic and beautiful truth you know our inner world is our outer world and this is also part of the reason why The term shadow work has had such an amazing rise in 2019 You know Panther is an experiential company based in the shadow and watching this year and so many people Come out in the importance of shadow You know,

This is what it's about you know all the things that we can't see then become our physical reality when they're not dealt with and There's definitely a million tangents Johnson and I can go from here I think that what we really would like to share with you in the space and time is is Our reflections being on the ground in in Uluru and and doing the work that we do,

You know Johnson and I both work in You know mystical realms and the outer realms and we're also very much grounded in what the three-dimensional work For both of us is you know Johnson does amazing work in in in simply understanding Pilates and yoga and making sure that his clients and his students have full awareness of their body and how things connect in Order to even move forward in their studies,

You know my work in somatics You know in the different levels of embodiment and expression and so what does that mean for all of us in the 3d?

When all the mystical teachings and all the Isoterics and all the hippies on your social media page start talking about Uluru 2020 ley lines grids,

You know,

How does it really affect you?

And what is this really about and it's it's seriously a reset button.

This is what this time is and And let's just share I think we should can just share a little bit about how we experienced this time in in Uluru There's a saying in Aboriginal culture,

Of course,

There's many many tribes in in Australia There is no word for time in the Aboriginal languages across the board.

There's no past there's no future there is only the ever-present now and And it's interesting as a culture on this continent before white men came There was no concept of getting stuck in the past and being stuck in the future and we think about the past in the future They're really one and the same when we are worried about an outcome,

Right?

It's normally something from our past a story that we've been telling ourselves We're not good enough or someone told us that we needed to do X Y & Z in order to achieve that so then we believe it and then if we don't work on that then we might not get that thing we want in the future and vice versa And so if we can clear ourselves of these imprints or stories that we've told ourselves or other people told us in the past we can then really connect to what it is we want to bring forth into action and Through our bodies,

Which is the vehicle through how energy transmits into this present reality That's that's how things are gonna manifest very quickly,

You know Just as an example one of our friends who is staying here.

She she has lots of dreams.

She's she's on her journey,

Right?

Now she doesn't necessarily know and connect all the dots of how and what and where and how these things mean but she had a dream about being evicted out of her house the the night before and She's on this,

You know personal journey of growing and moving to something that she wants to expand and become and and that that thing that happened to us this morning with the stranger is a representation of how we are moving into a place and a an Experience of how things are happening much faster through our intention if you will something and you intend for it to happen It's gonna show up.

It could be through a dream It could be through the types of people that show up in your life because we happen to be here It just kind of amplified that and it was just literally a representation of what was happening in her subconscious and that yes It's time to move on and to move into a new area in her life and to grow in that way,

Right?

So I invite you to consider Where in your life are you holding back and when you are?

Looking to achieve something that is supposed to be in the quote unquote future timeline Notice if you're trying to achieve that thing with a story of the past It could be something from mother from father from you know an old family lineage story that that somehow is imprinted in your psyche and notice if that is part of the Decision making process for you achieving what it is that you want and I think a lot of the times in spiritual work People are trying to avoid Feeling their bodies.

They're trying to avoid negative emotions It's an avoidance pattern and just like spiritual bypass,

Right?

And another term for that spiritual bypass if we are avoiding or denying a 3d example of that is More coffee more sugar more food more booze more sex,

You know There's definitely a way that we we escape in and out of the esoteric realms one way or the other.

Yeah Yeah,

Exactly.

You can use physical substances or you can sit there and Practice blocking out all the things that have ever happened Yeah,

All those different things one way Johnson and I navigated and Were truly devotional in our experience on the land and in luru and words Words sincerely cannot express the beauty and the depth of the red earth in this place It's it's truly remarkable on so many different levels and and sitting here and tuning into that space.

I I'm digesting still,

You know the energy and the breadth of all of that and what that feels and inside my own body and the way that Johnson and I really connected to that space is we water fasted for three days and We definitely do not recommend this for people that have never fasted before or have certain health conditions for us we decided to go in and prepare for this fast and We did water fast for three days and definitely a lot of ups and downs my body for sure was highly sensitive to the fast I had some things that I was really looking forward to clearing out upon coming to Australia from New York and Wow,

I asked for it didn't that Johnson I asked for it and and I received that I definitely received that purging exhaustion and again Fasting in a hundred and five degree Fahrenheit He on the red earth is not for the faint of heart and not only physical toxins and heavy metals and all of these chemicals that were Exposed to on a daily basis that which is sworn around a hundred years ago Not only those physical things get stuck in The fat tissues and the physical body but emotions emotions are chemical reactions that happen in the body Right and it's expressed through our body and it gets held there I like to think of the body as a tree,

You know You learned this probably in biology class if you were to cut a tree and look at the rings of the tree You can see when there were droughts some of the rings will tell you that and you can see when there are lush periods of Rain the same happens in our cellular structure All right,

We have we have recorded memories and when we don't deal with these emotions We kind of pack them down our bodies get heavy.

We become we become more dense and the ancients talked a lot about illusion and Reality what is real and what is not real and this was a theme that really came up in Uluru I'm sure everyone most people have seen you know,

The matrix right a lot of these new sci-fi movies that are coming out It's it's really much hitting this theme of Reality,

What is reality?

What forms reality?

Is it our thoughts is our intention is it consciousness?

There's something greater than us that is driving us to behave the way that we're behaving and as we and as we Go through an experience like a water fast We're merging the lines between the physical and the energetic when there isn't food in your body when your body stops asking for foods or go through periods of disassociation with the body,

You know,

The spirit really has an opportunity to be between these worlds and that's That's the place where we wanted to be to really experience the the kind of energy that and the power of Uluru and I know the the humbling presence of Uluru and its sister mount Kata Juta,

Mount Olga.

Yeah,

You really are lost and Out of time is no construct And it's one thing just to sit here and for us to be able to teach and to speak and share that It's another to really feel that experience the way That for example,

We felt it here and the way that you experience this in your life and the more that you fight it More that you fight it at this time more than ever the more resistance and the more shock and The more sudden things will come into your life and boom it creates this sort of chaos because it's it's Well times not moving very linearly right now So what's happening?

Is that if you think about 10 20 years ago things were moving much slower even even think back to you know When you had modems for Internet,

But now things are moving at 5g is rolling out here in Australia Things are moving lightning fast what that means on an internal consciousness level.

Is that anything you think it's probably gonna come to you So if you're thinking a lot of shitty thoughts Like those things are come true in some way in some form And and that happens not simply because of your conscious desire It comes from your subconscious mind which debatably according to different levels of research anywhere from 70 to 95 percent Of every decision that you make and that all most of our conscious decisions our conscious mind were operating at 5% of our capacity So if you're not inside your subconscious,

Ie if you're not inside your shadow what you don't know you don't know you are Creating from this place and that right now energetically is like a motherfucking blender You are creating a reality that you have You know you will get lost in that blender you will get lost in that tornado and it will eat you it will eat you In many ways and you will you will feel overwhelmed and what is the way that we can I mean I use can the word control So lightly,

You know,

What is control really?

It doesn't really exist But I'm gonna use it here in this in this linear fashion is the way to really control What it is that you're projecting out there and that really is to dig in and do the work and have a better Deeper and further level of understanding and how to move in between those worlds and this is why this work is so important So important at this time and I think like some of the simple things that you can practically do in Life is continue meditating.

However,

Don't just meditate with your mind meditate with your entire being make sure you're feeling Into if you're listening to guided meditations or if you use music listen to the words From your heart from your body from your womb from your genitals listen to it from everything your bones if you're listening to music Same idea,

It's no longer a place where we can be fractured in the way that we're experiencing life so if meditation is something that you do great do that if you're dancing dance more fully through your body if You are someone who does yoga,

You know,

We know that yoga has become this worldwide phenomena over the past 20 30 years Right,

But also it has very much become diluted in its essence And so if you are practicing yoga move more fully into the other aspects of the yoga That's beyond the physical because this is what's being called for our species to survive at this time It's either breakthrough or breakdown and these are the choices and and with this comes the territory of confusion We're going to feel confused and to me Confusion really is the inability to make a choice,

Right?

We know the choices we need to make we all know on some level In there if we go in and we just look and we stop we pause and we listen Then we have to make action or take action,

Right?

That's part of the embodiment practice,

Right?

Well,

You have to feel it tight to pause feel it listen and now you are at a choice point What are you gonna do with all of this new information?

Are you gonna stay the same or are you gonna change things and the change is gonna be quite radical?

And if it's not then it's gonna happen to you and when it does it's gonna hurt a lot more So might as well consciously make the decision to go there Yeah There's no wrong choice one's just a little more karmic than the other and the karmic usually hurts a little more and by hurt,

I mean there's resistance and Really?

What's happening now is that?

That acceptance of what no longer is really letting go of that That should be that construct that what you think the reality is It's this morning's incident is just a reminder of you've got to go with what's what ending right now If something steps into your reality look at it from a five-dimensional perspective Going into the state of victimhood and victimization It's just a road that's leading you back someplace.

You've already been and it's really just a waste of time We don't have time for that So if you find and you catch yourself,

You know thinking about things that are happening in your life like oh well I was abused as a child and I'm okay.

I'm using this,

You know not to make light of abuse You know,

I was I went through a childhood that was physically emotionally verbally abusive,

Right?

But if I go around,

You know my life and I start using that as an excuse I'm not gonna get anything done I'm not gonna go anywhere and beyond the and beyond the excuse and beyond it It's like enough with the enough with the story enough talking about it.

Okay,

Great heal trauma and then what yes You know,

Where is the elevation from here?

And we actually were at a conference I spoke yesterday at a conference here up in the Gold Coast and It was run by awakened HQ me and a panel of several others of Victoria red-barred marina Perry Jeff Slater Dane Thomas and Jared Grantham we Really dropped in I highly suggest you watch our panel on that It was really really epic about just predictions and where everything's going in terms of our personal growth our development our collaborations In 2020 and beyond for the next 10 years,

You know,

These are conversations that we're having it's like enough healing now What you know,

What does that even mean anymore?

What I loved about that conference?

I was attending as a spectator and as a witness and Victoria I believe said something about what really hit home to me was enough with the workshops.

We've done so much Work shopping on our trauma now what let's celebrate an honor where we want to move towards marina marina said that yeah Or okay great.

I think across the board.

They all said something to that I don't know who to credit but the essence of what people were saying.

Well,

Let's move on We can't be dealing with our mommy and daddy issues for the rest of our lives There's other aspects of life to enjoy and to discover I think that part of the trauma work that you know that the fear of moving beyond trauma work in the spiritual space Is that well if I finish with this then then what's the next level and I'm afraid of that so I don't want to go there It's very very easy,

You know,

It's very easy in these transformational communities these quote-unquote conscious communities of people that are just stuck in their story all the time or They think you know,

I've healed everything and I've moved on and I'm this elevated being,

You know we had a big discussion yesterday about what being an elevated being means and all the different levels of hierarchy and is there a Hierarchy and and who's awake and who isn't in all this malarkey really that goes on and in the true essence It's like we're here to be fully human.

We're here to be fully human and if anything that Reminded us of that was Starving water fasting in the middle of the desert The way that you can really experience humanity is to deny yourself the very comforts that help you avoid it Right,

And that's exactly what we did in Uluru And there are so many different mystical things that we could speak of in our energetic experience there but for me and for me We'll say that that was really my biggest takeaway is the essence of the humanity and the different emotions that I allowed myself space to heal because frankly I I don't know about you,

But I am not taking the past with me anymore Yeah,

Me neither.

I'm done.

I'm done with that and and I hope that you're done with it and Really being able to move forward and by the way being done doesn't mean denying or repressing it it means that you are done denying yourself of any of the wisdom Inside of it so you can move forward and also deny and being done with denying the wisdom that is innately in your intelligence and your body's intelligence and your mind's intelligence and your soul's intelligence I Have let go of a lot.

I moved to a new country three months ago I let go of my practice in Singapore where I was for the last six years because I knew that it was time to move on and there was a level of resistance from my clients and from that community that I was a part of and there is a level of codependency of people needing to hold on to mentors and leaders who have helped and guided them along the way and I say you're your own leader.

You are your own guru You are you know,

You know and if you just listen and trust yourself enough and stop making the excuses that you don't know because of whatever story it is that you keep telling yourself and Choose that you do know things will start to unfold in a very very different way And that's what I'm really excited about for 2020 and beyond I would really love to know from the listeners what it is that they're letting go of moving forward in this new decade I would love to know that too.

I would love to know what you are letting go of I would love to know what's done for you and I would love to know What part of yourself that you're newly discovering now with all these juicy amazing interesting pieces of Information that's really firing rapidly at all of us in the collective in our individual lives So please share connect we would love to hear and most importantly Help you free yourself in new ways possible and speak out.

Let us know what you need from us What kind of services or workshops experiences you would like to see and then we'll make it happen Let's co-create the future y'all and sending so much so much love For the gods in Australia are absolutely fucking brilliant I'm having the best time and I can't wait to share more with you about that You can follow the Panther Instagram at at the Panther process calm connect with the Panther page on Facebook again my name is Kira Sandra,

And I'm super grateful to be sitting here with my dear friend colleague and Wonderful mystical human.

Mr.

Chung.

So thank you for having me.

Yeah,

And if you want to follow me on Instagram on Facebook It's just Johnson Chong underscore sage sapien.

Yeah,

And I'm happy to hear from everyone as well And let's keep this conversation going.

Thank you all so much for listening.

Have an awesome awesome 2020 yeah,

Why good we are