Dissecting The Wisdom - Oneness

In today’s discussion, Mark and Jeffrey delve into the concept of Oneness – the whole enchilada as it were with respect to manifestation and the search for meaning in one’s life. They explore the ideas of seeking and searching and how being out of unity with Oneness holds us apart from finding what we are truly searching for which ironically already exists within each of us while going on to explain the difference between Oneness and Separateness.

Transcript

And welcome back to Dissecting the Wisdom of Shaltazar.

My name is Jeffrey Eisen,

The channeler of Shaltazar,

And I am with my good friend and collaborator Mark Lane.

Welcome back,

Mark,

And thank you for doing this series with me.

Thanks Jeffrey.

As always,

It's great to be here.

Yeah,

Wonderful.

Really excited about this series.

We did the intro last week,

And just to remind the listeners,

We will be taking one of the messages of Shaltazar each week and dissecting the wisdom,

Talking about our perspective on what we got from this message.

And hopefully in that way,

It will help the listeners be able to integrate and embody this wisdom that I think is extremely useful,

I know is extremely useful at this difficult and challenging time in human history.

Right,

Absolutely.

Right.

And this week,

Mark,

The message you chose for us to discuss is?

Oneness.

Yeah.

Oneness.

Oneness.

Yeah.

To me,

This is like the penultimate Shaltazar message that I think contains the secrets to the universe and the secrets to human existence,

If I could only figure out what it is.

It's interesting you say that.

I just want to give you some context,

Because this message was virtually one of the first messages that caught my attention as I started to channel Shaltazar.

And I'm not quite sure why or how,

But it really,

It was so mystical that I really can explain it.

And I have listened to it over and over again.

And like you say,

It's like this treasure that's wrapped up,

And you sort of open it up,

And you get a bit of it,

But you know that there's so much more to it.

And I just,

You know,

It's still one of my favorite,

Not because,

I mean,

There's over 90 of them now,

Not because it's just the first,

But because,

And maybe it was their way of tantalizing me,

Of teasing me and giving me something that I could possibly get,

But not fully get.

Sure.

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

It's almost,

I mean,

Now obviously,

I'm not the world's leading expert on the messages of Shaltazar.

I haven't listened to all of them,

But I've listened to quite a few.

And it's almost like this one kind of sits at the top of the pyramid,

And all the other ones are a fragment of it,

A piece of it.

Because I re-listened to it this morning when I got up,

And I re-read it.

I highlighted a few things that I've got,

It's all green.

I could have just painted the page green,

Because there were so many things that jumped out at me.

But then when I go back and look at some of the other messages,

The tidbits of wisdom that I pull out of this one,

Some of the other messages seem to be wholly based on just that one tidbit.

So that's kind of why I sort of see this as like the pinnacle from which all other messages flow.

Right.

Right.

It's interesting because I also re-listened to it and re-read it and realized that I was just highlighting it all,

So why am I bothered doing that?

Right.

Exactly.

Right.

And there's so many lines in it that,

And this is a number of years ago,

Probably 15 years ago,

And as I say,

It's still familiar as if it was yesterday,

Because some of those lines,

They just light me up,

So to speak.

They just seem to be so profound,

And the layers of it are really kind of neat.

I think,

As you say,

It's the pinnacle.

The name that came to me was oneness,

And it talks a lot about oneness and unity.

And I believe that is the source,

That is God,

That is Yahuwah,

That is the I Am,

Whatever it is you wish to call it.

The ancient Hermetic masters called it the All.

That oneness,

It's as if that oneness is speaking to us in a little bit of a code that if we can decipher it,

It will help.

And it starts off with that line that says,

It is in the searching that you will never find.

To let go and to surrender is to give up all control and allow and accept what comes your way.

Well,

That is,

You know,

That theme has been there so much throughout the message of Shaltazar,

But also through a lot of other spiritual teachers.

Right,

Right.

Yeah,

I mean,

It's,

I mean,

How many messages on Insight Timer are about letting go,

A surrender?

I mean,

It's all,

It points back to that.

The very first sentence of the message,

You know,

It is in the searching that you will never find.

Right there,

You're stopping,

You go,

Whoa,

Well,

You know,

That's pretty heavy right there.

What does that mean?

And it never occurred to me until you just said that,

That,

You know,

Oneness is the source,

Is God.

That really explains why this one is so hard to nail down perhaps,

Because,

You know,

How long,

How many millennia has,

You know,

Mankind been trying to put God in a box or put a source in a box and truly understand what that energy is.

That's probably why this is so,

You know,

Like you said,

Like you're scratching the surface,

But there's so much more,

You know,

Under the surface that you just can't quite comprehend or put your arms around.

Mm-hmm.

What were some of your favorite parts of that?

Let's maybe bring them up and we'll discuss,

We'll go back and forth and banter a little bit about that.

Sure.

Well,

Let's see.

So,

Obviously it is in the searching that you will never find is kind of like the crux of the entire piece.

And then I started to get down to,

You know,

The idea that,

You know,

They're saying that there is no need to search,

No need to seek struggle to simply know it is so and will manifest into your reality.

And the one to the third paragraph,

It says creation does not occur out there for as long as you look out there,

You will not find what you search for because what you are searching for is not out there,

It's in here.

And that really made me stop and go,

Okay,

So,

You know,

Now we're kind of talking about the,

You know,

The subjective nature of reality and the personal nature of reality and how we do each create our own reality and the reality that we're living isn't necessarily the same reality.

The reality I'm living isn't necessarily the same reality that you're living and vice versa.

So,

I thought that was kind of a big step in understanding this.

Yeah,

Yeah.

It's interesting.

Just this morning,

I was coaching someone and we were talking a bit about manifestation because I really believe that this message at its heart is helping us understand in a very broad perspective,

Manifestation and creation.

And,

You know,

He was saying,

Well,

You know,

There are things that I want in life,

But then there are the circumstances of life that will either,

You know,

Help me get that or prevent me from getting that.

And I said,

Well,

You know,

That's kind of interesting,

But don't you think it's possible that we create those circumstances,

That it is what we are thinking and what we are doing in our consciousness that brings those circumstances your way.

And he thought,

Wow,

That's kind of interesting.

That's kind of amazing.

There are a lot of people that believe in the chaos theory in life and everything is just around,

You know,

Randomness and coincidences.

This message is leading us to believe that that's not the case,

That in a certain way,

Although they cannot reveal the formula,

We create those circumstances,

Which is really kind of interesting.

And I'm sure there are a lot of people on the planet that believe that,

And I'm sure there's even more people on the planet that don't.

Now,

You and I subscribe to that.

And I think you and I would agree that when you do subscribe to it,

It makes you feel a little better that you have the power to create circumstances for your manifestations.

Right,

Right.

Yeah.

It's,

You know,

We talked a lot about energy and I think that the next section in here that always intrigued me,

That really kind of was,

Again,

A big step is the idea of this divine paradox,

Right?

That the idea of looking for what you want or trying to get what you want is exactly what's keeping you from getting what you want,

Right?

So,

That really takes,

You really have to sit in and ponder that a bit to make sense of that.

Because I think that,

You know,

As humans,

Mankind as a whole,

I think we're control freaks,

Okay?

I think that we are so conditioned to live in our left thinking brain that every problem or situation or conflict that presents itself,

Our automatic instinct is to try to figure it out over here.

This is my left side.

And what this message is saying is that that's not going to work because as soon as you toggle to that modality,

What you want is always going to be something that you can't quite grasp and understand.

They're saying that the way to manifest is basically,

And this is again counterintuitive,

To do nothing,

Right?

Not take action,

You know,

Not try to make something happen,

But just to let it,

You know,

To feel the essence of the things you want to create and then just be with that essence and wait for it to show up.

Kind of like,

You know,

Like,

You know,

In this time of pandemic,

We're ordering everything online,

Right?

We're relying on Amazon to bring us everything that we need.

So,

It's kind of like having the thought,

Having the idea is that creation is like placing the order with Amazon and you place it and then you just sit back and you wait because you know it's coming.

You know,

At some point,

Someone's going to knock on your door,

Leave something on your doorstep and the thing that you ordered is going to be.

And I think this idea of manifestation that they're trying to explain here is sort of like that.

It's,

You know,

We're not calling,

You know,

We're not going online ordering a product from Amazon and then getting in the car and driving to the Amazon warehouse and looking through a shelf and finding it and then put it in our car and bring it home.

We're trusting that Amazon knows what it's doing and it's going to bring it home.

So,

I don't know if it's an analogy or not.

No,

No.

And I like that,

But it's interesting.

That's where,

You know,

You talked about this message sort of being the pinnacle of it and through the other messages,

They've explained a little bit more in detail,

You know,

That concept because there are a lot of people out there that say,

Well,

How can you believe something's going to come and just sit there and nothing comes?

And they,

In further messages,

And they allude to it a little bit,

We need to take action in order to get what you got from Amazon,

You have to get online and buy it.

And I don't want to give the wrong impression that Shaltazar is saying,

Just think it and appears there are two components to manifestation,

The yin and the yang,

The masculine and the feminine,

The dreaming and imagining,

And then the actual doing.

I think the subtlety of this is what they're saying is that the doing needs to be consistent with oneness.

The doing needs to be easy and flowing,

Right?

And often when we buy from online,

We just sit down and Google gives us a few options and next thing you know,

We're on a site and we buy it,

We put in our credit card.

So that action is doing,

It's easy,

It's flowing action.

And what they have led me to believe is that God,

The source,

Creates the same way.

It's just that when the oneness is there,

The yin and the yang are all together,

The masculine and the feminine are all together.

When God dreams and imagines,

God creates and it's all instantaneous,

But there is an action required.

It's just that the action comes from the oneness.

And that's the subtlety of this,

Which is really kind of fascinating because most of our action comes from having to,

Need to,

Pushing it,

Wanting it to happen.

And so I think what they're saying in this is if you can get your action to be easy and flowing and not onerous and difficult,

Then it will show up.

In other words,

The dreaming and imagining and the doing needs to all feel like one.

It's not like,

Oh,

Okay,

I have this idea.

And it felt really great creating this idea.

You and I decided to do this series.

But the doing of this series is just as easy as the planning that we had when we decided to do it.

We got to get online every week and we have to have a conversation.

And that conversation is easy and it's flowing.

It's not like,

Oh,

Mark,

Have you got the outline of what we're going to talk about today?

No,

We just allow it to happen.

And so that's the subtlety in this.

And they say it in such a simplistic way,

But again,

That there's a deeper depth.

And I love the paragraph.

It's one of my favorite.

And I remember actually,

Although it was 15 years ago,

I remember channeling it.

They say,

What those in the physical have difficulty comprehending is that your physical world is all an illusion.

It does not really exist except in your reality.

And your reality has been conditioned in such a way that you assume if you perceive it with your five senses,

It is real.

Okay,

This is interesting.

We do not comprehend anything that you perceive as real in our dimension as so.

For us,

Our reality determines what we comprehend to be.

Even the struggle to understand what we are saying moves you beyond understanding.

You cannot seek understanding for once again,

The seeking of it puts it outside of you,

Separate from you.

And I remember when I channeled that line,

That when they say we,

It says for us,

Our reality determines what we comprehend to be.

And it's like,

And I reread that probably a thousand times.

And there's a fraction of the time I read it,

I get it.

And the rest,

It sounds like,

What the hell are they talking about?

And that's what they're talking about.

In that moment where I got it,

I didn't need to seek the understanding.

It made sense that we think of something and then try to create it in our reality.

They do it the other way around.

Their reality makes it happen.

And there was that great movie with Robin Williams about heaven or something.

And it was kind of an interesting take on he wanted to golf and next thing you know,

He was golfing.

And so I think that's what they're talking about.

But it's so interesting because there are many times I've read it and I didn't get it.

And there are a few times I read it and I got it.

And that line of you cannot seek understanding.

In other words,

The more you try to figure it out,

You're using your mind's consciousness and it's separate from you.

When you get it,

It's just that Satori,

That aha moment.

Right.

I'm sure you've had those and they're really quite amazing,

Aren't they?

They're remarkable.

And we talked a little bit about this in the introduction session,

But I've noticed that I like,

With the Shelton-Saw messages,

I like to listen to them first and then I like to print out the PDF and read them and then go back to listen to them again.

While I'm reading along with the PDF.

And I found that those three different,

There are three very different experiences,

Right?

I think the initial listening,

It's at a very subconscious level.

There's a,

Whatever you want to call it,

A cosmic or a psychic connection to the material,

Into the learning,

Into the wisdom there that you almost have a physical experience with.

I feel it.

Then I go back and I read it and the rereading reminds me of that experience I've had.

And then doing both at the same time kind of brings the two parts together.

And then when I've gone back and just pulled out a message like this one and not listened to it and just read it,

There is kind of a disconnection from the energy I feel.

And so when I first heard and I first read that line about,

For us,

Our reality determines what we comprehend to be,

There was this inkling of resonance,

Of understanding somewhere,

Not here,

But somewhere in my heart that kind of skimmed the surface of understanding and made me think,

Yeah,

I kind of get this.

I would get it all the way,

But I kind of,

This is resonating with me.

And then when you go back and read it,

You're like,

What does that mean?

Right?

I don't,

Now that the meaning has been,

It's disappeared for me.

And so that's why this whole thing is,

This is a very interesting message to me because lots of pieces of this message in particular are like that for me.

No,

I love that.

I love that you're onto something big.

You talked about how you do it.

You listen,

You read,

You read and listen,

And there are three different experiences.

You're absolutely right.

And it is the totality of those experiences.

The oneness of those experiences that really allows the wisdom to be integrated.

And I believe that's the case with most spiritual wisdom.

You need to experience it and not just listen to it or read it.

The idea is for it to be more of a whole body experience,

Not just a mind experience.

And often when we're reading this stuff,

Self-health books,

That's why I think self-empowerment,

Self-help industry is so large because often it feeds into one part of that totality and that's just the brain and the intellect.

And I've had so many people come to me in coaching and they have read all of the books and they're frustrated because their life hasn't changed.

And I'm saying,

Well,

That's because you are only looking at it from the thinking consciousness.

And so what you described so eloquently was the full body experience of integrating and embodying spiritual wisdom.

In essence,

All of the different ways that you experience these messages is creating your oneness.

And if you separate them and you look at just reading or just listening or just this,

Then they are separate from you.

Whereas the oneness of doing them all.

And that is so,

So important as spiritual seekers,

I highly recommend you try to experience the stuff that you are learning and that you are hearing.

It's so,

So very important to have all of the experiences and then you'll get that aha moment because it'll all just make sense.

Then you will move to that oneness.

Before we go,

There's two lines in here where they help us understand a little bit about the difference between oneness and separation that has always resonated with me.

Where they say,

What is,

Is oneness.

Accepting is oneness.

Faith is oneness.

Allowing is oneness.

Knowing is oneness.

And then they go into the separate and they say desiring is separate.

Anticipation is separate.

Worrying is separate.

Hoping is separate.

And doubt is separate.

And they go on to continue,

You know,

Later on telling me that,

That feelings are truth.

And so when you desire something,

It's out there,

It's separate from you when you anticipate it.

But when you know it,

When you accept it,

You're allowing it in.

And so,

And I remember early on giving this to someone I was coaching and it was like,

It changed his whole business experience because he finally got it.

He got what he was not doing and how he got what he was doing was separate.

And he started to integrate some of his business into this oneness and it made a big difference.

So that,

Those are two really powerful lines and you can use whatever words you want.

Oneness,

I believe is telling you that the vibration is in sync.

It says one,

You've accepted it and separateness is that lower and slower vibration.

So I think that's a powerful part of this message.

I highlighted those two lines also.

You know,

You've talked a lot about flow,

Meaning flow.

And I kind of equate those two modalities or those two polarities to being in flow or not in flow.

Like if you've ever been to a water park where they have one of those lazy rivers and they've got,

You can float around on an inner tube.

Being in flow is like staying on the inner tube and letting the river take you where it wants to go.

Being out of flow is climbing out of the inner tube and standing on the side of the pool and watching the river flow past you and watch.

And I think that the uncertainty,

You know,

Maybe a swimming pool is a bad example,

Maybe a river ride would be a better example.

The uncertainty of knowing where the river is going and where you're going to end up,

I think causes a lot of people to want to climb out of the river and stand on the side and stand on the bank and wait for some sort of clarity or some sort of proof that what they're,

You know,

Where they're going is where they should be going.

Which gets back to that idea of,

You know,

Faith is oneness,

Allowing is oneness,

Knowing is oneness,

Accepting is oneness.

You can,

If you have those qualities,

You can climb in the inner tube and not really care where it goes,

You know,

Maybe until you get hungry.

But if you don't believe that you are part of that river,

If you are,

You know,

An integral component of that river,

Then you separate yourself from it and you don't,

You know,

You don't follow that flow and you don't allow life to bring you in your,

You know,

Into your most beneficial experience perhaps.

Right,

Right.

Yeah.

And Esther Hicks channeling Abraham talks about the river analogy a lot and flow from that river perspective and how when the river comes up against big rocks,

It moves around the rocks,

It doesn't try to bust through the rocks.

And so that river flow is a wonderful analogy of part of what they're trying to tell us in this message.

We could go on forever.

Thanks Mark,

This has been really interesting.

I really appreciate it and certainly it has helped me more fully integrate and embody this and I highly recommend to listeners that keep trying to have that full body experience,

That totality of experience with spiritual wisdom.

Talk about it,

Listen to it,

Read it,

Discuss it with friends.

The more you do so,

The more you will be able to really understand it without seeking to understand it.

So thanks so much for this Mark,

I greatly appreciate it.

I look forward to next week and the message that you will pick for us to dissect.

Once again,

My name is Jeffrey Eisen,

I'm with my guest,

Collaborator and good friend Mark Lane,

And this series is called Dissecting the Wisdom of Shaltazar.

Join in next time.

Thank you everyone.

Thanks everybody.

Thanks Jeffrey.