Surrendering To Multi-Dimensionality - Dissecting The Wisdom Of Shaltazar

And welcome back to another episode of Dissecting the Wisdom of Shaltazar with my collaborator and good friend Mark Lane.

Welcome back,

Mark.

Hi Jeffrey,

Good to be here.

It is good to be here,

It is good to be here.

This week we began our other series,

Unraveling Shaltazar,

And I hope the listeners enjoy that.

And so here we are hopefully doing a couple of these a week.

We'll be doing the new series,

Unraveling Shaltazar,

And we'll also be doing,

We'll continue with Dissecting the Wisdom of Shaltazar,

Because I know the listeners enjoy it and enjoy this format as well.

So thank you so much for doing this with me.

We kidded I think the other day that our wives are a bit concerned that we keep meeting this way,

But we're enjoying it and hopefully the listeners are getting something from it.

So it is certainly our pleasure to spend this time so that we can do our small part to help humanity.

Amen,

Right.

Yeah,

I hope this is helpful to people.

And we've talked before about how the benefits that others are getting probably are in direct proportion to the benefits that you and I get,

Because we seem to,

You know,

As we have these conversations we kind of dig to a deeper level of our own understanding of some of these concepts and some of this wisdom.

So it's beneficial for us as well.

Yeah,

And that's an excellent point you raised.

You know,

I often kid in my coaching practice with my clients that I get as much out of the coaching session as they do because I'm constantly learning.

I always sort of add a little bit of a disclaimer and a little bit of humor saying,

I'm sorry you still have to keep paying me,

But I want you to know,

And it is true,

It is really,

Really true.

I had a coaching,

A couple of coaching sessions this morning where it just really cemented some insights and principles.

I got an opportunity to practice another layer of surrender.

And so us doing these podcasts are a way of us more fully integrating these spiritual teachings and learning.

So I encourage listeners to do the same.

As you share what you've learned with other people,

You are not only helping those other people,

But you are also helping yourself integrate and embody that teaching.

So I think there's a constant recycling of teacher-student,

Teacher-student.

And as you think you're the teacher,

You find that your student becomes the teacher and you're the student.

And so I think that's an excellent,

Excellent point you raised that this is,

These are,

Eshel Tzare talks about layers of learning.

And in order to keep working on those layers,

You kind of have to keep listening and learning and then also teaching and sharing because that helps as well.

And I know that's helped you.

I know this series gives you an opportunity to enhance your teaching and learning cycle.

Right,

Right.

Yeah,

It has dramatically.

My parents were both teachers and in one of their credos was,

If you want to really learn something,

Teach it to somebody else.

So,

You know,

That whole concept of tutoring being as beneficial to the tutor as the tutoree is very valid,

I think.

Yeah,

Absolutely,

Absolutely.

So,

Mark,

Do we have a topic or are we just gonna keep talking or let's pick a topic,

Okay?

Well,

So you mentioned,

You mentioned a couple things that are,

Have kind of been on my list of things to talk about.

One of them is surrender and the other one is kind of this,

I mean,

So we're recording this on November 12th,

So the day after 11-11.

And,

You know,

This was kind of a,

I know you're into numerology and so 11-11 was supposed to be a powerful day.

I was kind of expecting something dramatic to happen and kind of nothing did,

So I'm a little disappointed.

If you could talk to Shelte Dazar and see if you could,

You know,

Get some action going,

That would be,

I'm just kidding.

But I know you are.

Kind of,

I guess,

Sort of those two things are the things that are sort of on top of mind for me.

Mm-hmm.

Well,

You know,

And maybe they are connected.

You know,

As you mentioned 11-11,

I couldn't help but think of 2012 when the end of the Mayan calendar and everything was supposed to happen and here we are in 2020 with a world pandemic and maybe what they were talking about in 2012 is 2020.

One of the things that I think is important to understand is that in the higher realms there is no time,

There is no space and maybe it's us that determines whether what we were supposed to experience in 2012 is happening in 2020.

Maybe that powerful experience you were looking for on 11-11,

November 11th,

Was,

Is really going to happen in a few days,

In a few months,

Maybe next year.

And I think that then ties in that other topic of surrender.

We don't realize how we try to control things.

I had a conversation this morning with a client about the dimensions being in the four-dimensional world and I've set the intention and asked Shaltazar if I could get a glimpse of more multi-dimensionality while being you know in human form,

In my human physicality and in the conversation with my client what came to me is that we all can experience a higher dimensional being,

A higher dimensional experience,

If we let go of the constraints of the dimensions we're in.

And the four dimensions are length,

Width,

Depth and time.

And if you think about all of those,

You know,

That length needs to be,

Can it be,

And I'm going to show my age because in Canada we've moved to metric but I'm still imperial so you can resonate with that,

Is that length one foot,

One and a half feet,

Two feet,

Three feet,

Is the depth.

So the number that measures the height,

That measures the width,

That measures the depth,

The time,

Are we going to be talking today for two minutes or 20 minutes,

Those are all limiting factors.

And so if we want to move to a higher dimension,

I truly believe we have to surrender to the limitations of the dimensions we're in.

Sure,

Yeah.

Makes sense?

Yeah,

Yeah.

And so here's my left brain working,

I guess.

The concepts of length and width and depth are all very,

They resonate with me.

That concept of time,

I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around.

A book I was reading of a channeling,

The channeled entity was saying,

Well we don't have clocks here.

And I was like,

Okay,

So what is that like?

What would that be like to surrender to timelessness?

And I just,

It's hard.

I mean,

You know,

Maybe the closest you get to it is maybe if you go on vacation and you've got,

You know,

You don't have,

You know,

You leave your phone in the room or whatever and you go sit on the beach or you go for a walk in nature and you,

You know,

It doesn't matter what time you get up,

Doesn't matter what time you go to bed.

You get up when you're ready to wake up,

You are when the sun comes up or and you go to bed when you're tired and you don't have that constraint boxing you in to that linearity of time.

It sounds very appealing to me.

I don't know that I've ever had the opportunity to experience it though.

Well,

But you have,

You just talked about the vacation and what's interesting in one of the messages from Shaltazar,

They talk about a timeless moment.

And so,

You know,

I asked you to think and reflect in your life.

Have you ever been somewhere,

A sunset,

A walk in nature where you just for a brief period forgot about time.

As a matter of fact,

I remember a podcast and you telling me that you were in the studio because there were no windows.

Do you remember that story?

You were in the studio and you were creating,

Doing some video editing and before you knew it,

Your wife called you and it was midnight.

So,

In that moment,

You see,

We are so ingrained with time that we forget that we do have timeless moments.

But then we are so hard on ourselves that we bring ourselves back to the time.

The other night,

I got up at three o'clock.

I was really in a dither.

I was going through something.

I had this emotion that woke me up that wouldn't let me go back to sleep.

It turns out I was really upset with my and disappointed with my son.

But it turned out I was really disappointed with me and my response to him.

And I had to get up and come here to my sanctuary and listen to some music and hold some crystals.

And it was really beautiful until I looked and said,

Oh,

You know,

It's 3.

30.

I better get back to bed.

And so,

For that time I was here,

It was a timeless moment.

So,

We have those moments where we will let go of the limitation of time.

But because most of what we do in this human world is based on time,

We allow it to limit us the same as we do the height,

Width,

And depth.

Right?

And it's so interesting because those three dimensions form a box.

Right?

And so often,

You know,

Metaphorically,

We put ourselves in the box.

And so,

When we meditate,

When you do your writing,

You are experiencing timeless moments,

But they're so brief.

And that is because we get out of the human limitations that we put upon ourselves.

And it's interesting,

I was talking to another client this morning who's,

You know,

In between relationships and he's looking to form a new relationship,

But he's concerned because his sleep habits lately are go to bed at eight o'clock and wake up at three in the morning.

And it's like,

Oh,

How can I wind up with a girlfriend if I'm going to be getting up at three?

So,

You see where that time,

Right?

Okay,

He's very content with that routine and that practice of going to bed early and getting up at three o'clock.

And often the way the late Wayne Dyer used to say that three o'clock or four o'clock was the God hour.

And so,

Here he's got this wonderful practice,

And yet he's concerned from a time perspective how that will affect another human being.

So,

We have the opportunity to let go of those constraints.

I believe that multi-dimensionality is available to us.

And it was so interesting because just asking Shaltazar to experience that multi-dimensionality,

They came back fairly quickly to say,

You are,

What the hell are you complaining about when you are channeling us?

You are in a multi-dimensional moment,

Right?

And so,

You know,

I encourage listeners to reflect and realize that there are moments in your day,

There are moments in your experiences where you are moving to multi-dimensionality.

You just don't know it because you've let go of the limitations of four dimensions.

Four dimensions is a very limited and limiting dimensionality,

Whereas the higher dimensions are not.

People that have had near-death experiences are definitely experiencing multi-dimensional experiences.

Right,

Right.

Yeah,

It's almost like,

I had two thoughts.

The one thought,

It's when you're experiencing that absence,

Let's call it an absence of time,

When you snap back out of it,

It's almost like it's a lost segment on the tape,

Right?

You know,

If you're recording a tape,

An audio tape,

And you erase part of it,

There's like a blank spot.

And it's almost like that those experiences of no time are sort of blank spots in your continuum because it happens so quickly,

Almost like a dream,

Right?

It happens so quickly and so unconsciously.

And without all that sensory input that we're used to getting,

That it's almost as if it never happened.

Does that make sense?

It does.

And I think you've helped surface another layer of this insight because we are so addicted to the constraints and limitations and how the four-dimensional world works.

We're not comfortable with that.

And that's why it's interesting.

You describe it as if you've missed something,

But in essence,

You haven't missed something.

You've just experienced something that's different than the four-dimensional world.

And so we are looking through the lenses of our fourth-dimensional reality.

And I think that's the problem.

Another thing that just came to mind is when you sleep at night,

Are you totally aware every minute of sleeping of time?

Or at night,

Okay,

During the day we tend to,

Right?

It's like I got a sense of what time we started.

I got a sense of what time we got on the call,

What time we're going to get off the call.

I have a sense of what my next appointment is.

When I go to bed at night,

I just sort of say,

Okay,

I'd love seven to eight hours of uninterrupted sleep where I don't care what happens in between.

Right?

And that is,

By the way,

Times that they say the soul goes off and does its thing.

And we have these dreams.

Some people are fortunate enough to have lucid dreams and all kinds of wonderful things.

And so to that extent,

Now,

I guess we feel this obligation to be back in the waking consciousness,

In paying attention.

And that's what you were saying before,

Is that if more of our waking hours were that blank tape,

Which is what's happening at night,

Because I think no matter what happens at night,

We would all agree that there are some blanks,

Right?

No matter,

You know,

People that will dream,

They'll remember a little bit of the dream.

But if you put together everything you remember about your dreams,

It doesn't add up to the amount of time you were asleep.

Right,

Right.

So I think sleep is a perfect example of where we are multi-dimensional,

And yet we discount it.

We think it's sort of wasted.

It's like,

Oh,

Yeah,

Maybe it helps me heal,

It helps me rest.

But what if it was more valuable than the wake time?

And I think that's part of our problem is our judgment that wake time is productivity time,

Is getting things done time.

And I think you raise a phenomenal point.

It's sort of like,

Well,

Yeah,

How can I justify this blank spot on the tape?

Well,

What if that blank spot on the tape brought you an insight,

Brought you an intuition,

Brought you a sixth sense that changed your life?

Yeah.

And so what you've explained,

And thank you for doing so on behalf of the listeners,

Is this conditioning we have that if we're not being productive,

Then we're not living.

And that's why we're sentenced to this four-dimensional reality,

Because we have this belief that productivity,

Getting things done,

Accounting for our time,

Okay,

I went from here to here,

I started in kindergarten and I went to grade whatever,

Right?

So we're always measuring and measuring and measuring.

And I think part of the problem is we have to stop measuring the way we're measuring.

I think COVID-19 is giving us an opportunity to measure things in a different way.

Yeah.

Yeah,

It's almost like it's forced us to let go or surrender to this outside force that kind of doesn't play by the time rules,

Right?

Yeah.

Well,

And that was,

I guess that was another thing I was going to mention.

You know,

We had talked about this a couple of weeks ago when we made the transition from daylight savings to regular time,

Standard time,

And how unsettling that is to everybody,

Because now you're,

You know,

Whatever your body is telling you,

You're looking at the clock saying,

Oh,

You shouldn't feel that way.

You know,

You shouldn't be tired yet.

You know,

You shouldn't be ready to get up yet.

You know,

So it's kind of a,

You know,

A red flag as to how beholden we are to times and schedules and into this external structure and this box that we want,

You know,

That we want to put ourselves in versus,

You know,

I used to read a lot about,

You know,

Native Americans and how they just,

They were so connected to the earth that all of that,

For them,

Time really didn't exist.

The seasons existed,

But what they did during their days was they woke when they were ready to wake and they would go to sleep when they're ready to go to sleep,

And they just kind of followed the,

You know,

The cycles of the sun and the moon and let that be their guide rather than,

You know,

A ticking clock or a digit counter on a wall somewhere.

Right.

Right.

So there you are explaining how prior civilizations weren't as beholding to one of those dimensions as we are now,

Which is really,

Which is really interesting.

And by the way,

You know,

It brings to mind that this clock change for so long I was used to seven o'clock being dark,

And here we are a few weeks into the time change,

And I'm still amazed at seven o'clock it's light,

And it's like,

What the hell is going on,

Right?

It's like,

It's supposed to still be dark.

So even our body chemistry is used to these limitations,

And that's why some people say in order to move to those higher dimensions we have to get,

We have to have an out-of-body experience.

We have to get out of that body,

Right?

And that's why meditation is so powerful because it gives you an opportunity to let go of those limitations.

Shaltas I would say those limitations exist in the mind,

In the conditioned mind.

So it's the mind and that creates that limitation.

And we're just about out of time,

But it's kind of interesting how you talked about,

You know,

Multi-dimensionality and surrender,

And we brought them all together because I really believe that the way to move,

And so thank you for that,

Because again that's the universe answering my question,

How can I move to being more multi-dimensional,

Have more multi-dimensional experiences?

And of course the answer again is surrender,

And the more we surrender to the limitations that we've imposed upon ourselves,

The more we can experience that limitless or higher dimensional experience.

Does that make sense?

Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah it does.

It's,

You know,

The kind of that getting on the raft and getting in the river and letting it take you where it's going to go rather than,

You know,

Constantly paddling in the direction you think you should be going,

Right?

Right,

Right.

And to a certain extent those dimensions are paddling against,

Right?

Because we're paddling against those limitations.

So that surrender,

So really again,

Once again I thank you for helping me understand this insight.

Surrender is a key component in allowing ourselves to experience more of a multi-dimensional experience.

Yeah,

Yeah,

Fabulous.

Thank you for that.

Any final words?

No,

That was another interesting organic conversation.

I enjoyed it.

Yeah,

Yeah.

We sort of,

Other than starting and now having to finish with a certain time constraint,

I think everything in between was kind of multi-dimensional.

It was,

Like you say,

Organic and very flowing just like the river.

And so hopefully listeners will listen to this and feel the energy of this and it will allow them to maybe have a multi-dimensional experience.

Great.

Thanks again,

Mark.

I always love our conversations.

Once again,

They are beneficial for me as a teacher and a student and I thank you for being my teacher.

Oh,

Well,

Thank you.

I enjoy them.

I enjoy them as well.

Good.

And we'll see you again next time.

Take care.