Divine Union | Why The Feminine Leads Spiritually

Divine Union | Why the Feminine Leads Spiritually (& The Masculine Must Hold It All) - Redefining Polarity in a Spirit-Led Marriage

In this raw, real, and deeply activating episode, Athina and Daryl open up about their journey navigating 3D vs 5D polarity, sharing the sacred dynamics that have allowed their relationship, love, and business to flourish.

We cover: Learn the difference between 3D polarity (traditional roles) and 5D polarity (soul-led co-creation). Understand why the feminine is not holding the emotional, but also deeply spiritual and intuitive. Discover how Athina channels and leads spiritually while Daryl anchors the vision into the 3D realm. See how true masculine energy protects the feminine’s nervous system and holds energetic space for her gifts. Hear how their sacred union thrives by honoring each other’s soul paths, vision, and divine assignments.

Please note: This track may include some explicit language.

Transcript

Hello and welcome to this session where I,

Daryl Crowell,

And my beautiful wife,

Athena Crowell,

Talk about 5D polarity.

And I think this is something that Daryl and I have both been delving deep into masculine,

Feminine energetics.

Like I remember,

It was a couple of years into us dating,

You studied with Alison Armstrong and you did her whole,

Like,

Understanding woman.

You did Alison Armstrong,

She's got amazing stuff,

But she's got some amazing teachings and she teaches the masculine,

Feminine energetics more from a biological,

Evolutionary biological perspective.

It's been very interesting for us and I'm very grateful for all the teachers,

Even though some of them I don't agree with,

But I'm still very grateful for them because I feel like we have learned so much.

Especially for me,

I think what I've most been able to take away from it is a masculine,

Feminine communication.

I think that has been most potent.

It's been very helpful in our relationship too.

Yeah,

Absolutely.

And understanding really how different men and women are.

And Daryl really,

Like,

I just remember you sitting in some trainings being like,

Oh wow,

Women need,

Like,

All of that?

Okay,

Great.

And me sometimes sitting in a training be like,

Oh wow,

I didn't realize that that's how men took it.

Okay,

Great.

And then I,

And then we'd practice and I'd be like,

Daryl,

How does that feel to you?

And I'd be like,

That feels like,

This feels cringy.

And Daryl would be like,

I love that,

Please continue doing that.

And then you do the same for me.

And we'd be like,

Wow,

Okay.

So this,

This stuff does,

Does really work.

And we'll,

We'll talk about the polarity-based conversations because I think that's what we got the most out of the courses,

Which has been so helpful.

I think where we struggled the most,

So with this polarity work,

And we've had a lot of conversations about it,

Is in the roles,

Right?

So part of this we've been in,

There's a discussion,

It's like,

There's these levels,

There's polarity around the roles of the masculine and feminine,

And then polarity when it comes to communication.

Well,

That's the three do.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And what I mean is like,

When polarity as a whole,

You've got like,

Polarized communication,

Polarized roles,

Like different kind of things,

Aspects of your life and relationship in terms of polarity.

And the polarized communication has been amazing for us.

But one of the places that I'm really struggled was the polarized roles,

Because it was really taught that,

You know,

The masculine role is,

He is a protector,

He is the provider,

He fixes everything,

He solves everything.

That's the role of the masculine.

And then when the role of the feminine is,

You hold the emotional aspect of the relationship.

So you hold the emotions,

Which absolutely,

A hundred percent,

I agree with that.

And though,

We also hold the spiritual.

And this was something that I really struggled with,

Because I could never kind of a hundred percent get all in with the polarity role,

Because a lot of our relationship,

It's actually me receiving spiritually and handing it to Daryl.

That was not allowed.

And what we kind of realized in the journey is that there is 5D polarity and 3D polarity.

And the 5D polarity is recognizing that the feminine is the spiritual and the emotional,

Not just the emotional.

Well,

The oracle as well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Especially you.

Yeah.

But I think all women naturally,

They just,

They feel,

Receive intuitively through their being,

Through their womb.

It's part of being the feminine.

Naturally,

Women are closer to spirit and they receive because a woman feminine receives.

Yeah,

Exactly.

And so in the,

We had to really,

We did for a while,

I think for almost a year,

We were all in and we were like,

Right,

Okay,

If that is like how we're meant to be in polarity,

We're going to like go into that.

And we just kept hitting up against all these blocks.

And when we just realized that,

Hold on,

Maybe the spiritual aspect also has to come in like everything,

Everything else in our lives.

And so what I really like to go into is talking about the roles of the masculine and feminine.

Could you tell them a little bit about the role of the masculine,

What the masculine is meant to carry in your opinion?

So the differences in polarity for the 3D were the typical thing is the provision,

Protection,

Emotional,

Guarding.

For us,

We had to adapt to a different version,

Which was,

Again,

Protection,

Provision in a different sense,

Because I have to hold your energy,

So to speak.

So I'm basically,

I don't know if I've told you this,

But I do a process every morning where I honor your nervous system and your state.

I haven't told you that,

Have I?

No.

Okay,

So that's part of it,

Because that,

Especially for you being a channel and you're highly sensitive,

That is my main,

Well,

Not my main priority,

But one of my main priorities.

Yeah.

And that's,

That's part of it.

Big time.

Yeah,

And I think that one of the,

You know,

Obviously in the past,

We learned about the emotional provision,

Like you taking care of my emotional state and seeing when I'm like,

Not in a good emotional state or like,

You know,

I'm feeling an emotion,

Bring me back into it to feel it,

To be present in it.

But there's an energetic provision that you provide as well.

Like you set up the parameter,

Like you built this beautiful backyard for us.

You built me a blue lotus pond.

You set up this energetic space and you were like,

Here,

You can go channel there now.

You built these altars for us.

And you were like,

Great,

This space is energetically.

The pyramid.

Yeah,

You built me the copper pyramid.

So you like energetically provide for me as well,

Energetically protect me,

But then you also protect me from anything that would disrupt my energy.

Because you know that when I'm going day to day and I need to be like channeling and focusing on bringing through what I'm bringing through with like my mission,

My work,

You're like,

Okay,

Well,

Everything else I'm going to hold and manage and not bring to you to solve.

Like,

I'm just going to take care of it.

So you don't have to,

Like,

It doesn't have to shift your energy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's like,

So you'll hold all the stuff.

So I don't have to.

Yeah.

Well,

Like taxes.

Yeah,

That's the thing about that.

The annoying tax stuff that has to be sorted,

You deal with now,

So I don't have to.

Yeah.

And that stuff can really disrupt your nervous system.

Yeah.

And I get that.

Yeah.

And I think masculine,

A man just has the higher tolerance for that sort of stuff.

I have a horrible tolerance for that.

Like,

I'm so,

But that's the thing,

Like,

As a channeler,

As a priest,

As a spiritual woman,

I have,

I'm so energetically sensitive and I have an incredibly low tolerance for these things.

So to be with a man who prioritizes and protects that and honors that and recognize me as a deeply spiritually enshrined being where the smallest thing can throw me off is so very important for me.

So I think that's one of the really powerful ways that you provide for me that's not anchored into 3D monetary provision.

Yeah,

Exactly.

And I think you hold all the things and especially in the company now,

It's like you hold the team,

You like sort out the finances,

You run the tax stuff,

Like you just,

You hold everything.

So every day I'm just going,

What needs to channel through?

What do I need to create?

How can I serve the clients?

What does Spirit have to go through me?

And it's like,

You've got everything else.

And it's almost like energetically,

It feels like there's just this barrier.

It's like me and Spirit and then Daryl and the business.

It's like,

You're going business,

Everybody,

Like there's this wall that you've got.

So I can just go and be with Spirit and clients and my programs and you're holding everything else.

Well,

That's how,

When I think of it,

Because the way I think is kind of interesting.

I visualize as I think,

And I see like you behind me and I'm putting this shield around you or around us.

Yes,

That's how it feels.

And that's it.

Yeah.

I think what's really interesting to me about 3D versus 5D polarity,

Which I've seen a lot with really successful spiritual women,

Is in 3D polarity,

There's this teaching that the man has to provide financially.

And it was over and over.

And it was one of the reasons why I struggled with this.

We were in,

Because it was like literally constantly was being told the woman's role is to be like a stay at home wife.

And if she has a job,

It should just be,

You know,

Apart.

Like it was just constant.

And I'm like,

What about the woman who literally are so in love with their sole purpose?

It is their greatest,

Highest joy.

And we're just happen to be so good at it and love it so much that we attract abundance like the majority of successful spiritual women.

And so I really did struggle with that.

And it made me really sit down and go,

Where is this rhetoric that money is inherently masculine coming in?

Because my experience with money has always been that money is a masculine energy.

So when I am on my feminine,

It flows to me.

And the more I went into my feminine journey and my feminine work and working with goddess Isis and my womb,

The more I opened up into my feminine receptivity and I stepped out of the masculine energy,

The more money came in.

And it was just natural.

And it was like,

I created this relationship with money where I just receive.

And I was like,

But hold on,

The feminine is receptive.

The feminine is here to receive.

And especially the priestess feminine is this vehicle for receiving.

So why would she not receive from the masculine?

And a lot of these 3D polarity programs they teach,

Well,

The man has to receive the money.

It has to come through the man.

And I don't think that comes the same way that abundance comes through the way that we receive abundance.

What do you mean?

Well,

If I'd have stuck with building and e-commerce and all the other things that I was doing,

It was like a bulldozer moving through things and collecting on the way.

It wasn't like alignment and attraction.

Yeah,

A hundred percent.

How do I explain this?

It's masculine force.

It was force.

It wasn't alignment with abundance.

It wasn't,

It was pure work.

It was,

I had to fucking work.

I had to build a house.

I had to sell shit online.

And that was not our soul mission,

First of all.

And that was not alignment and feminine receptivity of abundance.

That's right.

And so it's like,

Well,

What happens when,

Like,

Great,

You've got the masculine that can work hard to provide,

Which is typical 3D.

But what happens when you've got a feminine who is highly spiritually attuned,

Activated in her priestess pathway,

So much so that money is literally flowing to her,

Like what now she's men.

And so I literally,

I remember like bringing it to them and being like,

So if the more I receive,

The more abundance flows to me,

Like,

How does the,

How does that work?

Right.

And I,

Like,

I didn't get an answer,

But that was when it clicked for me.

I'm like,

There's a spiritual energetic aspect to this that I feel like,

And you know,

Nothing,

Like nothing against this.

Highly recommended.

I've like,

I don't mean to speak negatively at all about it.

Highly,

Highly recommended.

It's amazing.

And it's helped us so much.

And though for,

It was challenging for me at times because I said,

Well,

Where do I belong in this polarity as a spiritual woman?

Because all the most successful spiritual women I know who are actually like really in their feminine,

They don't struggle financially.

It literally just flows to them because they're so activated.

The divine feminine is abundance.

Divine feminine is I just be,

And I receive.

And I have this relationship with money now where it's like,

It doesn't matter what I do is completely irrelevant because who I am is abundance.

My womb,

My state,

My heart is just who I am.

So when we take that into consideration of the divine feminine,

We can't have this,

Well,

The feminine doesn't receive,

Or even just that feminine receives through the masculine financially.

It's like,

There is this,

Through our unified field,

There's this flow of abundance that flows into us.

And yeah.

And I think,

You know,

We spoke about your role as a masculine in the relationship.

And I think my role in the feminine,

Obviously I hold the emotion.

And sometimes I'll be like,

Daryl,

I can feel there's an emotion there.

And you're like,

Nope.

And I'm like,

Yeah.

And so I definitely hold,

I definitely hold the emotional aspect of it.

But more than that,

You know,

There is a conversation here,

Which I think a lot of women who channel,

A lot of women who are priestesses will resonate with is that the woman initiate spiritually,

Which is why a spiritual woman also needs a man who is so willing to do the work.

Because when we first met,

I remember very early on,

Very quickly,

I was shown Daryl and I teaching together.

I've still like have visions in my mind of where we're still not at,

Like I'm talking 10 years in time.

I saw what we were doing together,

How we were working,

What we were teaching and how,

How we were doing this together.

And so in my mind,

I'm like,

Great,

Thank you,

Spirit.

You know,

I saw really early on our lives,

What was coming,

All of it.

And I just knew.

And so the,

That's the thing with a spiritual woman,

Though,

For most women who are listening,

Who are spiritual women,

You have had that experience and you know,

So then we hold the challenge of,

I love you for who you are today.

And I also intuitively energetically see your soul's mission,

Your soul purpose,

The man you are evolving into future self.

Yeah.

And I think this is where we offer this initiation.

So how many times have I said to you,

Come and said to you,

Even with like this dragon,

Sorry,

I'll give the example of where,

You know,

I came home and I said,

Okay,

Daryl,

Like spirit has told me,

Like,

We're here to run this company together.

And it's time for you to like,

Stop doing things separately with your men's work and all the spiritual stuff separately.

And for us to actually combine it and do it together.

And it was a vision that we'd had for a long time,

But we're still kind of doing it separately.

It's like we were doing the same thing in parallel.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I came and looking at,

Looking back now,

It's like,

Why the fuck were we doing that?

And so I came to you and I was like,

Okay,

Spirit says it's time.

And you had to go through an initiation.

You had to like,

And you had to let go of a lot.

You had to let go of an identity.

You had to let go of a role,

But,

And you did it really well.

And you did it really quickly.

You know,

You just went all in.

You were like,

Yep,

This is a line.

But when I say a spiritual woman initiates the man,

This is what I mean.

It's like,

She gets the vision,

She gets the insight.

And so in the 3D polarity,

We were taught was that it's the man decides,

But what about when the woman receives like the guidance from the spirit?

Like we spoke before about when I said,

It's like the King and the Oracle.

So it's like the feminine is the Oracle delivers the message from spirit.

This is for your highest good.

The King's like,

Yep,

Let's do that.

Yeah.

And for example,

Like a huge decision when we moved.

So do you remember when I gave that to you?

Yeah.

So with the move,

Yeah,

We got message through you from spirit that you had to go away for a month to the Northern rivers.

You had a body of work you had to complete.

I kind of,

There was a few things that were going on at that time.

Then you,

We obviously spoke and you said,

Okay,

I've been shown by spirit and told that this is where we're going to live.

So I flew up.

We drove around,

We looked at places,

We got a feel for the energy and it was a complete,

Yes,

And then,

Yeah.

So what was it a year later?

It felt like a few months,

But yeah,

It was,

No,

It was a year.

It's a while because we had to get through a few things first and then it all really fell into place very quickly.

Yeah.

But again,

With the timing of it,

It was from spirit after all of our travels,

Because we did a lot of travel that year and woke up and I said,

Okay,

Spirits,

It's time for us to move now.

And then we pretty much found the house immediately.

And within two weeks we were up here when it was divine timing.

It was so easy,

But the decision for the timing,

The decision from the location was from spirit.

It wasn't the masculine,

Like getting the inspiration for the decision.

It's like,

I received it and then I gave it to you.

And then you were like,

Yes,

We're doing that.

Well,

Yeah,

I came up,

Found the house.

It was crazy how quickly it happened.

Signed everything then.

Within two weeks we were up here.

And so I think this is what I mean by,

In a sense,

Like the feminine leads spiritually and the masculine leads in this realm.

Because the feminine is like,

Even though you channel,

I'm always receiving this from spirit first and spirit comes to me because I'm in such daily communion with the spiritual realms.

And so they come through to me around these big decisions and big timings.

And I think part of that as well,

It's like being shown,

Okay,

This is what's next for Daryl.

This is on Daryl's path.

And I think part of our journey is you constantly being able to say yes and evolve.

Like for example,

When the dragons came through and it was like,

All right,

Now you're going to teach this together.

And that was something that came through me through spirit for you.

Your next initiation came from spirit through me,

Handed that over to you.

And you were like,

Okay,

Yeah.

And you did all the actions.

You did like quite a big initiation.

You did big energy work in preparation.

So you devoted yourself,

You showed up,

But it was the spirit led decision that came for me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Your channel is much more potent than mine.

Yeah,

Well,

It's the feminine too,

Right?

The feminine receiving.

And so these big identity shifts,

They require you to be willing and able to say yes and go all in.

And I think that's a reason why we've been able to just stay in the energy we have where we're,

You know,

Almost eight years in and we're very happy,

Very in love and like everything's amazing.

And part of it is because you are willing to,

You do the work.

And I honestly,

I think you do the work more than me.

Like you're always working on something,

Seeing some healer,

Like shifting something.

As soon as you notice a pattern,

You're like,

I've got to go work on this.

And as soon as spirit gives me something to give to you,

You're like,

Right,

Got it.

Going to go work on it.

Like you'll re-listen to the channeling so many times.

I don't think I listened to any of them ever again,

Unless I'm referring to something,

But you'll be like,

Yep,

Listen to that one five times.

I'd listen to them multiple times.

And I think that was it because your channel was so clear,

They would take spirit's message seriously and then act on it.

Because I think that is the,

Again,

The masculine part is action.

And you,

Like I said,

You're like the oracle and the oracles would give messages to the kings and kings would rule their kingdoms accordingly.

But the king has to recognize the oracle and you would recognize what I,

Because I've channeled for people and said like incredible things.

I'm like,

You have to understand how powerful this is.

And then they would literally go,

Okay.

And they wouldn't act on it.

They wouldn't do anything with it.

And I'm like,

I literally just gave you gold.

And I would channel something through you and you'd be like,

This is gold.

And you'd build on that.

You'd re-listen to it.

You'd sit with it.

You'd like,

You'd take action on it,

Which is what I think is like,

It's the other half of this.

And one thing for me to receive something,

It's another for you to live your life from that and through that.

Well,

I was going to say what other way is there,

But you just said that people don't act on it.

I don't believe in that.

If I'm gifted a message from spirit,

Then I'm going to take advantage of that and put it into action.

And I think that,

So when it comes to like the 5D feminine role,

I think it is to hold the spiritual,

To be the bridge between this realm and to receive the guidance,

The steps from spirit and also to be the emotional aspect.

So for me,

It's like,

I see myself as the emotional and the spiritual aspect in the relationship.

And speaking on that,

We got some questions about this.

So we had a question about,

How do you manage who leads when it comes to building vision and legacy?

How do we manage who leads when it comes to building vision and legacy?

It's the same sort of thing.

It is.

And I see it from our business right now.

It's like,

I receive the vision,

I give it to you,

You're building the team,

The structure,

Holding everything.

And I'm just focused on receiving the channelings and teachings and what needs to come through for us.

And then you hold everything.

It's like we both have these roles and we bring them into everything.

Life,

Company.

Yeah.

It's not one or the other,

It's a team effort.

Yeah.

And literally like with this,

That we're building now,

Like to me,

It's akin to birthing.

I literally have been in the portal with the dragons,

Preparing myself to hold them,

Birthing out the channelings.

And you've been doing everything to make sure that I'm supported,

I'm doing well,

To be able to birth this through.

Well,

I'm also doing the scientific side of it.

Yeah.

But I mean,

Energetically,

I'm channeling the teachings through.

You've got the science,

But it's like you've been holding me to be able to birth this through.

Yeah,

Absolutely.

Yeah.

And so I think that's how we manage and hold everything together.

Yeah.

So I guess answering that question would be,

It's a joint effort.

Yeah.

It's a masculine,

Feminine roles.

Yeah.

It's not one over the other.

No.

And when I start to step into your role,

Like what happened with my foot the other day.

So I had a situation two days ago where I was walking down the stairs and I fell down and I hurt my foot and immediately we start to look it up.

Like,

What does that symbolize?

Left foot,

Feminine.

And it was like,

Oh,

I'm getting into Daryl's role.

He's meant to be holding this,

Not me.

So like they let us know.

And also the body will let us know when we're not holding our unique feminine masculine role.

Yeah.

How do you not fall into roommate energy?

I wanted to say something then,

But I won't.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

How do we not fall into roommate energy?

Well,

After seven and a half years,

Pretty much,

We keep getting closer.

Yeah.

We don't drift further apart and we do our,

I guess the 3D things,

Which is date nights,

Make sure that we debrief a lot.

All the time.

We don't stop talking.

There's times we're busy where it's like one or two days,

Like we haven't really caught up and then bang,

We're just like back together.

We miss each other like crazy,

Which is,

As we both say,

It's kind of creepy,

But at the same time,

It's not.

Yeah.

Obviously intimacy is a big part of it,

Which is what I wanted to say.

And then it's,

We're just both so on our soul paths that we are consistently growing.

Yeah.

And there's like a new version of you and me and us all the time.

Yeah.

And that's,

Oh gosh,

It does really keep things interesting because it's like- Who are you today?

What version of Daryl are you today?

And there's also that deep soul connection,

Which is,

I know I want to be with you for the rest of my life,

Therefore I'm going to do what it takes to make that happen.

Which means also looking after my own health,

My own state of mind,

My own wellbeing,

That I can look after your emotional nervous system and your nervous system.

Keeping you loved,

Knowing that you feel loved and desired and all of the requirements that the feminine needs from the masculine.

Yeah.

Well,

I think the roommate energy is stagnancy,

Right?

Like that's what happens,

You get stagnant.

So we can get stagnant when we're constantly evolving,

Constantly doing the work,

Constantly growing,

Constantly shifting.

And I also think that there's got to be a deeper knowing of what as a feminine being is my highest needs and what as a masculine being is your highest needs.

If I understand that your number one need is to be respected and your know that my number one need is to be desired,

Acknowledged,

Loved,

Held and complimented.

Well,

That's part of it,

Right?

Like the seen,

Acknowledged,

Held,

All of it,

Tied into my love language as well.

But it's like,

If we can hold that and know that and keep coming back to,

Oh,

This is Daryl's needs.

And if there's ever an issue,

It's like,

Oh,

Are they getting their needs met?

Then it makes it really hard to fall into that roommate energy.

And I feel like there's almost this collective belief or program that it's inevitable,

That it just happens after a certain period of time that you've been with someone.

But it's coming from the belief system where people aren't evolving and constantly working on themselves and growing into higher versions of ourselves,

Which my belief system is that the longer you're in a relationship,

The better it gets.

And I know it's amazing now.

It's so much better than when we first got together.

And it's in 10 years time,

It's going to be even better.

Like,

It's only going to be a fraction of how good it is right now,

Because there's a constant evolution and choosing ourselves.

Yeah.

And it's also just one thing came to mind when you were talking there was,

Obviously,

When we talk about this,

How we're going to gross our kids out with our PDA displays of affection.

Yeah.

Yet we don't let resentment fester.

We don't get complacent.

I guess it is complacent,

Because,

You know,

I don't want to lose you.

So I know that I want you to be happy.

Yeah.

And the resentment part,

If there's something that needs to be spoken about,

We speak about it,

No matter how hard it is,

No matter how shitty we feel,

Or whatever it is,

You have the hard conversations.

Yeah.

And then there's no resentment.

So you don't create that wedge,

So to speak.

The soul connection helps a lot.

And acknowledging and recognizing when you need to connect and bond,

Because that is also knowing each other's love languages.

And again,

The feminine masculine thing,

What men need,

What women need.

The reality is we've done so much study.

Well,

We have studied the shit out of relationships,

Polarity,

All of this stuff.

It's like any area in your life.

We both have relationship coaches work on ourselves.

If you want excellence in any area,

You have to go all in.

And I think it's an absolute lie that the longer the relationship is,

The worse it gets.

It's only going to get better the longer you're in a relationship.

Why wouldn't it?

You grow closer,

You have more love,

More intimacy.

Yeah,

If you're meant for each other.

There are people that do have karmic relationships for a year or two or three or four or whatever it is.

And then it's complete.

Then you complete.

But to have a real long-term relationship,

Then I think,

Yeah,

It's acknowledging.

Because I think even a karmic relationship,

You could probably get it over within six months if you did the work.

You just learn the lessons,

You don't be complacent.

You're like,

Okay,

No,

Fuck it.

I don't need to be with this person.

Yeah,

It's true.

We had another question about fighting all the things,

Making up.

So,

I mean,

We are like any normal couple,

Right?

We fight.

But one of the things that I think is really important is we have learned how to fight.

When we first got together,

We were fighting from our wounds and our trauma.

And I had an anxious attachment,

You had a bit of an avoidant attachment,

Which we've fully healed that in the relationship.

We didn't come to this,

We came with all of our stuff.

And we healed it together,

Which I think is like,

There's almost this narrative of like,

You can't manifest your soulmate until you've worked on all of your stuff.

And I'm like,

I think that when there's a divine time,

It's one of the things that we say to ourselves to make it better.

But it's like,

You get to do that work with your soulmate partner,

Right?

Which is we got to do that work together.

The mirror.

Even though we got so much work done together,

There's some stuff that you need the other person to mirror to show you,

Which is what we did together.

And we really like through all the programs we did,

The investments,

We learned how to fight properly,

Right?

And that comes into the feminine masculine polarity communication,

Which I think was the best part for us,

Which is,

For example,

Me knowing that if we,

If I'm like,

We're approaching a fight,

I have to recognize firstly,

What emotion am I feeling?

Because I'm feeling an emotion.

And that's for me to then say,

Daryl,

May I please share my feelings or I'm feeling something or him to encourage me to come into my feelings.

And secondly,

If.

.

.

And me to drop into my heart and not get triggered with my shit.

And however,

My phrasing of my emotions will result in Daryl either going into protective,

I have to solve this for her and protect her instinct,

Or I'm being attacked,

Criticized,

And project disrespected on.

And so for me,

My responsibility is to never say you acted like this.

So now I feel this,

You did this.

And so I feel this,

Or even,

Which I know a lot of therapists say you should do this one is when you do this,

I feel duh,

Duh,

Duh,

That it like,

And that's encouraged.

I'm like,

I remember learning that and like counseling,

Like you're supposed to sell that to people,

But that's a blaming energy.

I'm saying,

If you do this,

I feel like this.

And even saying,

I feel irritated.

It's implying that you have made me feel a certain way.

So I,

We really noticed pretty quickly.

Um,

And this came through that we learned,

Which is I have to own my feelings.

I feel sadness.

I feel anger right now.

I feel irritation.

I feel frustration.

I feel confusion.

And when I say that,

When you're like,

Okay,

What are you feeling?

And I go,

I feel frustration.

You don't go,

Oh,

She's criticizing me.

Oh,

She's going off at me.

I've done something.

You're like,

Why am I love?

I don't want you to feel that way.

Tell me what,

Tell me what that's about.

What's happening with you.

And then my job is again,

When I explain that feeling is to not blame,

Not project,

Not say you did this.

And now I feel this because that's when the masculine goes into,

You know,

And that's people fight.

So my job is to go,

I feel frustration because I'm feeling this and this is my need.

And this is what I'm feeling right now.

And this is actually what I need right now.

And then you drop into your heart and you go,

Okay,

Let me give that to you.

And it's not always perfect like that.

Sometimes we'll have to go,

Okay,

Darrell,

We'll have to be like Athena,

Go into your feelings.

You're projecting,

You're blaming,

You're judging.

I'm like,

Okay,

Yes,

Thank you.

Or sometimes vice versa,

You know,

So it's,

It's a journey and we're still getting there,

But you actually have to learn to fight.

I think that conflict is not something you can avoid in relationships as a natural part of it.

It's unavoidable.

Yeah,

A hundred percent.

To think it's not,

It's lunacy.

Yeah.

I think couples that say,

We never fight.

I'm like,

Are you guys okay?

Really?

Do you have sex with me?

Was there anything there?

So I think it's unavoidable,

But you learn to do it in a way that I see conflict as a way for us to get closer.

And every time we have a significant conflict in our relationship,

On the other side of that,

We are so much closer.

So for me,

I see it as if we can go like overcome a conflict together and we study how to communicate in a way that actually eases that.

Because if I kept crying and just saying,

I don't feel hurt.

I don't feel loved.

And you did this,

So now I don't feel loved.

You just go into frustration,

Confusion.

And so me actually having to drop into my emotions and say my needs,

That shifts it.

Oh,

And that doesn't give,

The first one doesn't give me anything to go with.

No,

It's just,

Oh,

You don't feel loved.

Okay,

Great.

Thanks.

Cool.

What do I do with that?

Yeah.

And so I think there is a real space for people to learn how to argue,

How to have conflict and how to communicate.

And honestly,

I'm going to say the majority of what's out there with the relationship therapists and stuff they're saying,

It doesn't actually truly acknowledge the feminine or the masculine.

And there are just little things,

Little things to learn out there from people who know this stuff and study it.

That significantly improved.

And you take it with a grain of salt,

Right?

You take what works for you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like amazing.

I like the conflict,

The communication.

Great.

Am I ever going to be 100% happy if all I do is just stay at home and cook you meals?

No.

I don't want that.

I don't want that.

We have a mission to do.

We're in it together.

And the irony of it,

It's like when I'm the most in my mission,

I'm the most in my feminine.

When I spend all day channeling and doing my work,

I'm the deepest in my feminine,

Which is the irony of it.

So yeah,

I think that's it.

Is there anything you want to add about this topic?

I think also we have like a debrief after it.

Yeah.

Where we pull it apart and look at what we did.

Definitely.

I won't say wrong,

What we could have done better.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And wrong.

There obviously were times that we did things very wrongly,

But pulling them apart and just looking at,

Okay,

This could have been better.

And then,

You know,

For next time.

I think there's a real bridging of worlds here where it's,

And the feminine woman,

The more feminine she is,

The more she is in her priestess energy.

She needs a man who embodies the masculine,

But also recognizes her as the spiritual divine feminine.

And I think that's there are a lot of spiritual men out there,

But they are not in their masculine and women don't feel fully safe.

Their nervous systems don't feel fully safe,

Fully held.

And then there's the other side of it where they might then be with very masculine men who don't fully see their spiritual potential and power.

And so when a man can be the bridge of that and offer both of those worlds,

I think that's where the feminine thrives the most.

Well,

I think that was also part of that where there was one particular post where it was something about not having an integrated feminine or men don't have a feminine or something like that.

And I think,

No,

It's,

You've got to have that compassionate part because that is the feminine.

It's not,

You know,

Like you look at Tony Robbins,

For example,

And we've spoken about the way he's obviously a very masculine figure and he's assertive and he can plan and he executes and da da da.

But then you look at him with someone having an issue when he does his interventions and he is so well balanced.

Like he connects to that feminine side,

That compassion.

Yeah.

Because I don't know,

You know,

Men are men.

Yeah.

But the feminine integrated part.

Yeah.

That's just where it has to be.

And also,

I want to say to the woman listening who might be feeling like,

Oh,

But where do I find a man like that?

Like you became that man with me,

Right?

Like we,

Through a lot of spiritual initiations,

Like you were a little bit disconnected from that.

Well,

I had deep feminine wounding.

You did.

My mother shit was deep.

And I mean,

So did I.

And it was actually like spirit that was like,

Athena,

This is your soulmate.

This is your man.

This is who he's becoming.

And part of your journey is for you to both help each other become who you're here to be.

So that's where I say it's like,

It's actually the feminine responsibility to initiate.

And I brought you that vision and you could have said,

Nah,

Can't be fucked.

But you went,

Yeah,

Okay,

I'll do the work that's required to get there.

And I think that's the difference.

So it's like,

We've helped each other become who we are today.

Yeah.

I mean,

Without the work,

You're not going to get there.

It's as simple as it gets.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I mean,

You know,

I'm just grateful because Daryl and I,

If it's not obvious,

We have a large age gap.

We're 21 years apart and.

.

.

20 or 21?

21.

21 years apart.

It's 20 in a few months.

20 in a few months.

Okay.

20 in a few months.

Age gap.

And so I'm very grateful because you came into my life when like,

I got to spend most of my twenties with you.

You came to my channeling event,

Learn how to channel with me.

And,

You know,

Sometimes I'm like,

I'm sorry,

You actually didn't go to real life so long because it's been so good for me to have you here for most of my life.

Well,

Most of my life.

It's all right.

I had adventures and I learned a lot.

And part of that,

We actually channeled on that.

And Spirit was like,

You were meant to figure out earth terrain to make it easier for Athena when she came in.

So that's as according to Alice and Armstrong,

I was in my night phase.

That's right.

You were.

So I was going on adventures,

Going to combat zones and all of it.

Thank God I didn't have to deal with the night phase.

I'm very happy.

I don't think I'm made for that.

I'm very happy with the King phase.

Thank you.

Build the kingdom with me.

That's what I want.

Well,

I think that pretty much sums up that session.

5D polarity versus 3D polarity.

If you have questions,

Because I think this is I actually don't know any other couple that went as deep into the polarity work of us that holds a spiritual element of it.

So it's something we're navigating for ourselves with Spirit.

So if you have questions for us about it,

Please feel free to message us.

And we're happy to record more podcasts about it,

Answer questions,

Because I know it would have been so valuable for us a couple of years ago to see to see us in the way we are.

So we're more than happy to go deeper into this topic with any questions.

There's a lot to learn.

It's not straightforward at all.

No.

And this was just the tip of the iceberg,

Really.

It is.

It was.

Well,

Thank you so much,

Beautiful souls,

For being here and joining us today.

Bye-bye.