Live With Don McAvinchey And Dayana Pereira - 9/23/23

Recorded Live on Insight Timer on Sept. 23, 2023: Going with the Spirit: A Flowing Conversation -Dayana Pereira and Don McAvinchey come together to have a conversation on what it's like to flow with their sense of Spirit. Called by many names, these two Insight Timer teachers will share with you their inspiration and hearts around their experience and call on you to share as well.

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Transcript

Welcome,

Welcome.

Who's here with us?

Thank you,

Violet,

So much for making this possible.

Yes,

We have our good friend,

Violet,

Who's also a wonderful teacher here on Insight Timer,

To thank for this.

She's in beyond grad school with tech stuff,

And Diana and I are probably more like nursery school.

So,

Really dammed it out and accomplished a lot for us.

So,

Thank you,

Violet.

Yes,

And so happy to be here.

I imagine some people that are attendees to our usual live events are here.

So,

I want to welcome you all.

You'll see us look down sometimes.

We have phones to see your comments.

So,

If you see at least me looking down,

That's what I'm doing.

I'm reading the comments and coming back to you.

And Don,

You are in New Mexico right now.

You're on a trip.

Yes,

Indeed.

I'm living a nomadic life.

I've been living out of two suitcases since last July.

So,

A year,

Over a year now.

That's amazing.

And you're about to go to Sri Lanka for two weeks.

I am.

I'm invited to come and bring my portrayals of Mr.

Gandhi,

Mahatma Gandhi,

To Sri Lanka.

Yeah,

Pretty exciting.

That's wonderful.

Susan says I'm not hearing anything.

Susan,

Sometimes when that happens,

If you,

I mean,

Obviously try your volume first,

But sometimes when that happens,

People go back out,

Like close it out and come back in again.

And sometimes that'll correct it.

And usually,

I think when you go back out,

You can come back in,

I think.

I hope that doesn't bounce you out by my giving you the video.

Pamela,

Yeah,

We're fixing the volume.

Okay,

Violet's trying to fix that.

It worked for the first minute,

Ronnie says.

Ronnie was on your call the other day.

It's on now,

Yes.

Welcome,

Hear us now.

Welcome.

Good morning,

Afternoon.

Good,

But faint.

Well,

We have our tech wizard and facilitator,

Violet,

Working the controls.

So bear with us.

And thank you so much,

Violet,

For the hard work putting this together and helping us go live together.

Violet is going to make it louder,

As loud as we can.

How are you feeling today,

Don?

I'm good.

I'm just about ready to launch on that trip.

So I'm getting excited and nervous.

I was packing and stuff today.

I met a new friend who stayed here at the Airbnb last night,

A young guy,

And he's a helicopter pilot,

Was up in Alaska,

Bush,

Bush piloting.

So that was pretty cool.

How are you feeling?

I feel really good.

Yeah,

It's one of those days where I'm very grateful to be answering my own call to spirit and my own call to myself.

A lot is happening that I can be thankful for.

And some days,

I don't know about you,

But some days for me,

I'm not so certain.

I have to remind myself of my commitment.

And some days seem so easy and flowing and everything seems to be working out.

And it's easy to,

It's almost palpable.

And today's one of those days,

And I don't take them for granted anymore.

So when I have the clarity and commitment alive in me,

I'm very present and grateful to it.

So yes,

Thank you for timing this so appropriately,

Because it's perfect.

Our future selves knew to time it today.

Yes.

And you know,

I follow the Mayan calendar.

Maybe you've seen this in my,

Some of my life sessions.

And today is day,

Is a tone 12 of a Skywalker.

Tone 12 is,

I'm not going to go into it in detail,

But just to give you a sense,

It's 13 moon tones in a wave spell.

And 12 is the day of circle.

The day where the rhythms of the calendar are facilitating community,

Gathering,

Getting together,

Collaboration.

And then the Skywalker,

Well,

You can imagine,

Right?

Traveler through space and time.

Yeah,

Yeah.

Wow.

Okay.

The sound is not happening,

Or Fleur says it's back.

So is sound back?

Violet's asking.

So it's a little tricky.

There's like,

I don't know,

Seven or eight different apps that we have to put into.

Melinda says,

You're in New Mexico,

But see you now in New Zealand.

No.

Yeah.

I personally,

Melinda,

I'm in New Mexico.

Diana's in Pennsylvania.

Violet is in New York,

Working the commands.

So now you can hear us.

Thank you.

Says it's a lot of hard to hear you,

Don.

So maybe,

Is there any setting that you can change in your own computer by any chance,

Don?

I have a,

Ooh,

Wow.

We lost Don.

Come back,

Don.

There you are.

That was a little scary.

Wow.

Okay.

I guess we roll with this.

It's the first time we do it,

Guys.

So thank you for the love and support and your patience as we figure this out.

Great.

We hear and see each other good now.

Awesome.

So we'll,

We're not going to repeat what we just said.

It was only a few minutes.

We were welcoming each other and asking how we are and where are we in the world.

And we want to thank you for your participation today.

We're recording this session.

So those of you that are watching the recording,

Thank you for giving us your time and your attention,

Your presence.

How did this start,

Don?

Can we fill in the blanks for people that have seen your lives and my lives?

And they're wondering how did these two people come to now be here?

Lost Don again.

Oh my goodness.

This is,

This is riding the technological wave.

I'm going to hold space for all of us coming together.

Zoom help us on the other software because we lost,

We lost Don from the Zoom all together.

And I was sharing with you or asking Don to share a little more about how this came together,

How this,

This idea to do a live event.

And I think if I am to share from my own experience,

Life,

Life has not in vain,

It's called life force.

Life has a force of its own.

And you can imagine the earth is magnetic.

Life has that magnetic force pulls us together,

Pulls us into coexistence.

And I think that if I am to trace what happened when we first came together,

The very first call that Don and I had came out of this magnetic life force pulling us together to be in the same live event.

He was attending mine,

I think.

And we begun chatting.

And then soon after had a Zoom call that was supposed to be a few minutes long to touch base and connect.

Don recognized that we were talking about a similar theme.

That Zoom call ended up being an hour long.

And we realized we were having a very rich conversation that we figured one day we'd like to share with the people that we work with.

Where did you say it was?

It's right there.

Oh,

Right there.

Right here.

Sit here and I'll turn the TV on.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I think I'm back.

Diana?

Hi,

Diana.

I'm here.

Can you hear me?

Oh,

Geez.

Maybe there's something with the internet at Don's because he keeps coming in and out.

So as I continue the story,

Don obviously is trying to hook his internet to the Zoom.

There he is trying again.

Yes,

For persistence.

We just put it out into the ether.

We said,

Hey,

Nice to have a live event and share this.

And the conversation was so good.

And so rich.

It was one of those conversations where there was a lot of space.

We were really taking in what the other person was saying.

And and I realized,

Wow,

I'm learning so much from this person.

And wouldn't it be nice to share with more people?

So we said it would be great to do a joint live event,

Having no idea that around the same time,

Violet was also being pulled by this magnetic life force that I'm talking about and being being called to support us.

And this is how we got all here today.

So thank you for being the first dancers to this,

To this intent to share from our hearts what we thought it was a very rich connection and deep conversation.

We that we intend to continue with all of you,

Provided the technology is on our side.

So thank you,

Guys,

For your patience.

Hey,

Don.

Am I back?

You are.

You are.

You are.

Is it an internet issue?

I don't know if it was a Wi-Fi interview or issue on my end or if it's with that OBS software stuff.

But maybe it's going to work.

Yes,

You are coming out of the zoom.

So I'm gonna guess that it was the internet.

Let me see the chat.

Yeah,

I have good internet,

Too.

And people are saying that the sound is better.

So maybe the the Wi-Fi or something was weak on your end.

It's OK.

We have we have a lot of time.

So I was sharing while you were zooming out and in that with people that are listening,

How did this get started and about our conversation?

And I was proposing that there's an electromagnetic quality to life,

Right?

Life force that pulls us together.

What do you think about that?

I think that I'm doing two things at once.

So that's fun.

I'm also trying to access my host's computer here to see if it might be better to use his computer.

Oh,

So you're still solving the tech.

It's OK.

Yeah,

It's OK.

Yeah.

But I think there's a field and you and I have talked about this.

I think there's a field in the universe.

And I think I mean,

Just from what I've read over the years,

I think from the physics side of it,

Physicists have proven enough scientifically that this field exists.

So that's calming and reassuring to my scientific side of my mind.

And then there's the other part,

The visceral,

Physical presence and stillness that I feel in meditation that feels like a connection with things that are larger and with a larger sense of the universe.

And I think that presence,

That experience of presence itself is the actual field that we're experiencing.

And we're all connected.

And one of the things I loved about coming on to your your live events,

Diana,

The very first time,

It just felt like you have an immense heart that was enveloping all of us who were on that call.

And you're an example to me of what I experience in my own way,

That we're all connected and that this thing that we in English,

We use the word love to say what that connection is.

And you actually I know you know this about yourself,

But you actually call people my loves when they come on to your calls.

And I went,

Wow,

She has really got it going.

She's connected through and through.

And I was really inspired by that.

And that's why this idea came forward to do a live event because you're very inspiring in that way of loving so big.

So I appreciate it.

Thank you so much.

Did you start doing that too now calling your people loves?

I started calling them my friends.

Okay.

Oh,

Gosh.

Well,

Thank you for pointing that out in public now because you didn't say that in the call.

And I kind of said I'm blessed right now easily.

It comes so natural for me to call people loves,

Honey,

Dear.

I've been calling it before by by a client of mine that is,

I guess,

Late 60s.

And he says,

People don't do that anymore.

You sound like an old lady.

People don't call each other dear.

You may write here so and so on a letter,

But you don't call each other dear.

And I I didn't even hear that.

I mean,

I heard it enough that I'm repeating it,

But it came through here.

It went out there.

I don't care.

And why is that?

Well,

I think it's because I feel it's because we we recognize in each other something I recognize in me and in others something that is lovable,

No matter what.

I can tell you from pure truth that I feel this way about everyone in the planet.

It's hard to for myself.

I saw this in everyone,

People that right now you may say it's,

You know,

Misbehaving or acting in a way that even looks inhuman.

And I can still recognize something in each of them that is lovable.

So I can't really explain it.

I feel it.

I feel it to be true.

I might not agree with what that person's life like or what they're doing or saying.

And still,

I can see the little boy inside the man,

The child inside the person and and love something about that person and no judge,

Avoid judgment in some extent to some extent.

So imagine then coming to a community like ours.

What's not to love?

I mean,

It's like overflowing because it's obviously so much easier.

You know what I mean?

From this perspective that I'm noticing,

Wow,

I can love my neighbor and she's doing these things.

And I feel I feel hurt and still can love that.

So how can I not love people that are coming with so much support and openness and and the kind of attention that we feel we receive here,

Which is people are truly listening.

That's hard to find.

So,

Yes,

Big love,

Big love is present.

I've had similar experiences.

I was I'm a clinical social worker.

I worked in prisons and in juvenile detention centers for 20 years,

You know,

Working with people who had killed people and convicted of rape,

Stealing and assault and,

You know,

All sorts of things like the worst stories you can think of,

You know.

And I found ways to like those people and really to love them.

I started realizing that I was doing that.

I kind of consciously took it on as a discipline to find something lovable about those people who had been convicted of crimes,

Sometimes horrific crimes,

And still see the best in them.

I think that led to becoming a meditation teacher and maybe led to the Gandhi portrayals that I do that and certainly the therapy that I do.

There was there was an opening in my heart for people in that kind of way that just kept expanding.

Yeah,

In some sort of way that also,

I think,

Enables the possibility that they can access more of that in themselves,

Right?

Imagine if you are a child's parent and you're only pointing out what's not great or where they need to do better.

Well,

You're not holding the greater light that is possible for them to grow into.

So in a way,

When I hold space,

I call it for somebody to grow into the goodness that I can see in them.

I'm giving them my best chance of supporting what's good in them,

What's lovable in them,

What's to be cherished.

And we all have some of that.

It's just maybe the balance is a little off,

Right?

Maybe we've forgotten a little bit of our divine nature,

But we do all have it,

I believe.

And we have to all have it,

Like you're saying,

I think,

Because if we take this experience that we have of spirit,

Like what we're talking about today,

Going with spirit,

And we say,

Like the Native people here in North America would say,

The spirit that moves through all things,

Like that's what they named it,

Right?

Or great spirit.

But I love the kind of way of thinking about it as the spirit that moves through all things.

All things includes humans.

And it doesn't matter if that human has done bad things in their life,

It's still flowing through them.

So I started,

I literally,

About 20 years ago,

I started experiencing spirit in therapy sessions with families.

And the air would get heavy,

And I would feel this just beautiful flow that was happening,

And people's hearts were opening up,

And they were crying.

We were finding ways to get through these extremely difficult situations,

And really painful situation,

And painful for me to sit in the presence of it.

Like that was really,

Really hard to sit in the presence of that kind of pain,

And still is a challenge.

And there was a sense that really grew that when people talk about spirit as being infinite,

Like to experience the infinite,

That's what I started experiencing,

In my view,

In my therapy sessions,

That I actually experienced the infinite.

And it opened up a lot.

It just really opened up a lot for me to experience that in my work.

So to see the best in people,

Like you're saying.

Yeah,

Yeah,

It came to you.

Do you think you were also calling it in when you said,

I suddenly could feel spirit?

Would you say you were calling it in?

You were intending to connect?

You know,

Once I started thinking about it this way,

Kind of realizing that this is what was happening,

I did start to go in a kind of a quiet way at the beginning of sessions,

And I would just kind of half close my eyes,

And I would just say,

Okay,

I'm opening up to however this is going to go.

And I could,

You know,

It would,

And it would happen a lot.

People would say,

Wow,

Something is happening in this room,

And I can't explain it.

And I said,

Yeah,

It's interesting,

Isn't it?

I feel it too.

So like,

I wonder in your life,

With your work that you do,

How have you felt that sense of spirit?

Yeah,

That's a great question,

Because it invites me to go back to the origin,

To say,

When did I experience this for the first time?

And I think I was always very interested in consciousness.

I started meditating when I was quite young for,

I think,

Conventional standards,

Like around 17,

18 years old,

I was really sitting and wanting to access something other than my waking consciousness and looking for something bigger,

Both in my dreams and in my waking life.

But then when I was in acting school,

And I started performing,

That's when I remember for the first time intentionally calling in,

Calling in air quotes,

Right?

Like,

Invoking or inviting to connect to something that I,

At that time,

I already was calling love.

And now I say it's spirit,

It's God,

It's source,

It's the field,

Many names for the same,

For the same source.

And the way I did it was,

You're going to maybe remember this from our call,

Not that different.

You are putting yourself and Gandhi in this frequency,

Right?

What's the word you use that is such a unique word?

You portray him,

You portray,

So it's a portrait,

It's an embodiment,

Right?

That's my word for it.

So back in my 20s,

In 20 years old,

I was,

When I started doing this,

I would paint myself in white completely,

Wear a white turban,

Put on a white robe and white gloves and a white turtleneck,

And I was completely white and I would stand on the street as a statue.

And after a little bit,

I realized I'm just here to send people love.

So I was intending to connect to love,

To connect to that force of oneness and magical things happen.

And I did that for seven years.

So that's the earliest I can realize I began connecting,

Intending to connect the spirit.

It's just,

I didn't call it that.

I didn't know that,

That I was even doing that.

It felt like,

Yeah,

This is a job.

I'm,

You know,

Making people happy,

Sparking,

Sparkling them with love in,

On their way to work.

At some point I realized I was waking them up from some sort of dozing off,

Sleepwalking.

Some of them felt like this is before cell phones,

Right?

Before even people were on their screens all the time.

People were lost in thought or busy going somewhere.

And there I was very still,

Completely white,

Look like an,

Like a real statue.

And then when I saw the interaction,

I would,

I would,

I would move and blow them a kiss.

Eventually began to hug people,

Hum a little song in their ear,

Things that a statue is not supposed to do.

But I still did it because I felt deeper and deeper connection as the years went through,

Turning to what I'm doing today.

But that was the seed.

That's when I realized,

Oh,

I can do this.

We can all do this.

We can intentionally call in more love,

More spirit,

More connection.

I noticed in,

I'm a narrative therapist and narrative,

Narrative therapy is based in one key idea that rather than people live according to,

You know,

A structure inside that has an ego and an id and all those kinds of things,

Or,

Or that people live according to developmental stages.

Narrative therapy says people live according to the stories that they tell about their lives.

That's actually what we live by.

And our stories are not just telling,

But they are an expression of our life and our identity.

That's,

That's where that exists is within the stories.

So part of that experience of the infinite in my work was I started realizing that stories are made up of paragraphs and sentences and then words.

And it dawned on me that if you took 20 words of a sentence,

Maybe,

Or 15 words of a sentence,

And you started combining them with other words,

It was infinite,

What you could come up with.

Which means that we're,

We can be infinite in the kind of stories that we tell.

And that's when like things opened up.

I had that feeling of calling in like you,

Like you were describing,

Asking me about.

And then I put it together with these people are saying,

Like seven people in a family,

They're all saying the same exact story.

What if I can insert a word into the conversation that goes like we do with our screens and opens up like a bit of space,

Just some space.

So like a teenager would say,

I really get pissed off at my dad when he,

When he yells at my mom.

And I say,

Oh,

That really makes you angry,

Huh?

You must really get frustrated.

And five minutes later,

He goes,

I really get frustrated.

So now he's using frustrated instead of pissed off,

Right?

So now he's got choice,

Pissed off,

Frustrated,

And he can make those choices.

That opens up space to tell a different kind of story.

And that started happening more and more where the words,

Like the infinite choices of words that we have to tell stories started to really come to the surface for me.

And we can tell empowering stories,

We don't have to tell the same kind of disempowering stories all the time.

And I think part of what dawned on me when I came to your live events at first,

You were telling a story in the way that you approach people that had so much of an expression of what you were saying that you can feel love for everybody in the world.

And that really touched my heart.

And I just thought,

I need to learn,

I need to learn how to do that.

Wow,

I don't know if I can say how that is done.

I can say that the deeper the love we can have for ourselves,

It seems to make it easier to see that if I can have self-compassion and self-love to a degree,

I will see in that microscopic amount of self-love to begin with,

Right?

Like into love,

Accept into love that there's really a lot there that I'm ugly by standards,

Right?

By common standards.

It's not perfect.

It's not great.

Look at this shortcoming.

Look at when I lost my temper.

Look at when I couldn't say what I really meant.

Look at when I didn't fulfill my own promise to myself,

Right?

So that's,

I think,

How it starts,

Right?

That you are the petri dish that then you will see in others,

Right?

So can we look within and aim to accept,

Like,

Love everything that we find?

Yeah,

That time when I wasn't kind,

That time when I,

You know,

When I was afraid,

That time when I failed to this and that,

Right?

And then if that's possible,

Then,

And you do it enough,

What's different?

Then you look out of yourself,

Right?

Instead of the mirror,

You now look at the window and you said,

Oh,

Look at what my neighbor is doing.

You hear a politician,

You hear,

Of course,

There's degrees to this that I'm talking about,

But if you can say this with the same kind of compassion or temperance about others than you're doing for yourself,

It becomes possible.

And I come from Feldenkrais,

Right?

That's my training.

And Feldenkrais himself was a genius of his time.

But he said,

Among the many brilliant things he taught us is that we are training ourselves to make the impossible possible,

The impossible easy,

The impossible possible,

Right?

Amazing.

Something that feels like no way there's no way I can find anything lovable about me or the situation or this person or,

Or this hurt that I'm experiencing into possible possibilities,

The field.

So we're impossibility,

We're disconnected from the field and then possible easy by repetition,

By practice,

By understanding becomes easier to do.

And then he said the easy elegant,

Once you make the impossible possible,

Possible,

Easy,

Easy,

Elegant,

He said elegant and pleasing to yourself,

Not to others,

To yourself,

To your own sense of beauty,

Justice,

Truth,

Love.

So it comes back to self,

Right?

What makes it possible all of a sudden is that you turn the light in,

You look in the mirror instead of the window for a while,

And then you come back to self.

Wow.

You like that?

I like that a lot.

Yeah,

That's really sweet.

A Feldenkrais approach.

Impossible becomes possible,

The possible becomes easy,

The easy becomes elegant and pleasing to yourself.

That's really beautiful.

No wonder you're drawn to that.

It's almost like a two,

Like one of those revolving doors,

Right?

You can come in at any end and find the same truth because you can also ask yourself,

Is this pleasing to myself?

Am I pleased with this?

How does this make me feel?

And if you're finding,

Let's put,

Let's put the example,

Since we're talking about this now in depth,

It's hard to,

It's hard to love my neighbor.

I can only judge my neighbor,

Right?

We lost Don again.

I'm going to wait for him to come back because he's coming back.

There he is.

Thank you for working straight for 20 minutes zoom and internet in New Mexico.

We're back.

Yes.

We appreciate your stable and sustained presence soon.

I was going to say like,

Imagine Don,

Are you back?

Are you fully back?

Yeah,

I'm back.

Okay.

Imagine that you find yourself on caught on judgment,

Right?

Or judgment like of the worst kind,

Not discernment,

Not ability to see clearly,

But that's like,

Oh,

I'm blaming,

I'm complaining.

I can't love anything about this situation.

This person's,

Well,

How does that make you feel?

Is that pleasing to yourself?

It's like drinking poison,

Right?

Right off the bottle.

So in the end,

It's not helping you either.

So if it's not pleasing,

Go ahead.

The thoughts,

Yeah,

The thoughts.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that can give you a clue that something in there is really not life giving,

Not nurturing.

There's no love in there for you either.

Even though you might feel like a nice release to complain about it,

Or see on the negative of it.

Yeah.

I've been talking with clients late and with myself and ask asking myself,

I have a little bit of a new discipline with this because I've been asking myself,

Does the story that I'm telling about this situation make me feel good?

Like pleasing to my,

Is it pleasing to myself?

And now I'm going to bring in the word elegant from now on.

Is it elegant?

And does the story feel empowering or disempowering to me?

So I've been asking myself that the stories that I tell,

The stories I think in my own mind,

And it's making a difference.

I can notice the difference where it opens back up into a sense of this idea of going with spirit,

That it opens all the way back up into that.

If I can take that disempowering story and move it to a more empowering story.

So that's been a beautiful process to begin.

I've been doing that for a couple of years now.

There's something about this idea of going with spirit I wanted to ask you about too,

Because I wonder in your practice,

How does that sense that we're talking about,

That sense of the flow with spirit,

Opening to spirit,

How does that show up in your like day-to-day life with your kids?

You just recently moved,

You know,

With day-to-day life,

How do you see it and notice it?

That's a great question too.

Do you remember being on a hike or a walk and you come to a place where the path is not marked anymore,

But there's more than one way where you could go and you have to choose,

You have to say I'm going to take this right path,

I'm going to take this left path,

I'm going to stay in the middle.

There's more than two paths.

Path is not marked.

And how do you choose in the moment?

Which has the prettier trees and the prettier flowers.

That's one way I think about it.

So you follow beauty,

Right?

You follow a sense of beauty.

Again,

We're looking for elegance,

Grace,

Even you could call this.

There's a moment,

An instant there that you trust.

You trust that because you've been guided before to follow your beauty,

Your sense of joy and excitement,

Whatever it is,

It's the right decision.

And even if you get lost,

Even if you say,

Oh,

I went that way.

It was not the way you have to backstep and take the other path.

You'd enjoyed it because it was beautiful.

Okay.

So the more that I can recognize that in myself and look,

I've taken the wrong path many,

Many times,

Right?

I've screamed to my kids.

I've been disappointed because my move took seven hours and I thought it was going to be six,

Whatever.

The more I get to recognize what,

Where am I choosing from?

Like what is guiding me?

Can I allow myself to be guided?

The less times I have to backstep and backstep sometimes means like I'm telling sorry to my kids because I lost my patience or asking for forgiveness,

You know,

For myself or others,

Whatever it is.

So I recognize how do I do that is by becoming keenly aware,

Keenly aware,

Paying attention to where am I choosing from the next step?

Like where am I running away from something?

And I'm moving out of fear.

Am I moving out of habit?

Am I in a rush?

Right.

Am I driven by anxiety?

Am I driven by worry?

Can I just fully sit in trust that I'm being guided?

And sometimes that means making the uncomfortable decision and doing something or not doing something that otherwise I would do out of desperation or fear or habit or trying to look good or whatever it is.

Right.

So,

So sitting more in trust that guidance is real.

Guidance is a combination in my case of experience,

Prior experience,

My emotional response to the situation,

Gut feeling,

Intuition.

Yeah.

Prior lessons,

Right?

Logic,

All that kind of made into a nice smoothie,

Right?

A nice balance.

But also in something that I wanted us to consider today is that do we feel carried by something larger than ourselves that is guiding from behind or from all around that we can feel,

Right?

Or God,

Some people call it.

So that's there too.

And if you don't,

If you ignore that,

Then most likely I will have to backstab or say,

Oh gosh,

I got lost again.

How do you do it in your daily life?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well,

In my work,

I often have an idea come into my mind.

That's kind of challenging.

Kind of like three or four or five people right now who have been considering suicide or they've had like a death in their family.

That was really,

Really tragic.

So a lot of people going through some pretty heavy grief and fear and the suicide brings up that fear.

And I realized that I'm talking not just to that person,

But to that,

I think of it as kind of a dynamic.

Like there's a dynamic in our culture of what leads to suicide,

For instance,

What leads to depression,

What leads to anxiety.

There's these dynamics in the culture that filter their way into people's minds and their hearts.

And I know that if I talk too boldly to that person,

That dynamic is going to take over and come in and they're going to look like what we say,

We call it being defensive,

Right?

But really it's the dynamic is getting challenged too much,

Which means I'm not being smart enough.

I'm not being subtle enough in how I ask questions or say something.

So when an idea comes to me about to say something that might be a little bit bold,

I often go,

No,

No,

No,

Wait,

Wait.

I just say,

Wait,

Wait.

And it comes to me again.

I go,

Wait.

And then it comes to me again.

And if it comes three times and it comes into my mind three times,

I trust it.

That's my little rule that I do.

And that's how I feel like that when you were combining all those things,

You know,

The smoothie of all those things that you were talking about.

Some people call intuition super logic because of all of our life experiences,

Just like crystallizes.

Right.

And I have learned to really trust that.

And now in my life,

I'd say a little more subtly because I've been living like a nomad here for over a year and just sitting and thinking,

Where do I want to go next?

I was in Spain.

I went on the Camino de Compostela in Spain on a coach tour in May with this wonderful spiritual teacher and his wife and a group of people all from England,

A couple of people from the U.

S.

Besides me.

And every,

They had gone,

They had gone out ahead of time and they had mapped out the seven chakras of the Camino,

Of that 250 mile,

The seven chakra points.

So that's kind of what Peter Dawkins,

The leader of this group,

Does is he sees the,

He sees the energetic of landscape temples,

He called.

So I'm saying a bit too much about this maybe,

But every time we came into the new city and there's always a cathedral on that chakra point all across Europe,

But on this Camino specifically,

I started feeling things.

And at first I thought it was just,

You know,

My normal ramblings in my mind,

But every chakra point was a new kind of set of feelings.

And it would come out as me sitting on that bus and starting to sing Amazing Grace,

Just sing it.

Or we were in one of the cathedrals and the giant altar was painted with gold,

Just solid gold.

And I sat there and I knew that solid gold had come from your part of the world through murder and enslavement of the people who used to live there.

And I got really,

Really angry.

And I thought later,

I think I'm feeling the anger of this place,

Of how that gold came to Spain.

That's where it came from.

And I've been,

Since that Camino in May,

I've been trying to tune in more and more to like,

What's happening?

What's going on in my body?

What am I feeling in this moment to either speak or to get up and walk or to write a poem?

I've been writing poetry a lot this past year.

Do I want to talk to somebody?

Do I want to call my kids or a friend or do I want to meditate?

I've really been trying to roll with that kind of inner calling that I started noticing on that Camino journey.

I never really gave it enough respect before,

That very,

Very subtle inner sense.

And it feels like I've kind of moved into a new level of experiencing that and honoring it and listening to it.

So it's a very long answer to your question,

But there we are.

So that's what's going on.

Great.

I can totally relate to what you're sharing.

And it's a felt sense of the body and the heart.

And the question to that,

As I was listening,

First,

How beautiful,

Right?

That we can become the combination of tuning forks and antennas,

Right?

Like we can tune into that,

We can receive it.

And the more that we learn to decode that as a language,

Then you can say,

Oh yeah.

And it's not as easy as you would think,

Because I work with that myself.

It's like,

How does it feel?

Can you feel the difference between now and an hour ago when we started,

Especially when I do body with somebody?

Zoom stretch,

Come back,

Done.

You guys,

If you're enjoying this conversation,

Which I'm sure you are as much as I am and feel like sharing,

Asking a question,

Please know that the chat is open for questions and we are reading them and we will answer.

Okay.

So please feel free to chime in.

Welcome back.

It's okay.

We're not used to it.

You just pop in and out.

It's okay.

Yeah.

It's like what happens in the field.

Yeah.

Tell us the truth.

Where else are you going?

Which other conversation are you having?

Right.

I was telling you that felt sense of the body,

Mind,

Body,

Heart is it needs to be cultivated.

It's not so easy to have.

And there's always infinite levels of awareness there,

But a lot of people can't feel because we have so much conditioning around feeling and trusting.

We feel,

Can I trust what I feel?

If other times has felt me wrong information.

So yeah,

It's very complex.

It's very nuanced.

Yeah.

Asking people for comments and questions,

If they had any shares or questions.

So I'm going to take a look.

Yeah.

I'm looking too on my phone.

Patrice says,

Oh,

Don,

Too much at all.

Okay.

Thank you,

Patrice.

I had a question if no one else has a question about what you just said.

So what happens when you are in that position where you're feeling,

Right?

Let's say if I am going to very practically think about that when I do it or when I'm by myself and all the external triggers or inputs are removed.

So I'm in my house and I'm going through the day.

And I've been thinking about this prior to the conversation today,

I go on what I call into a flow state.

And I go from one thing to the next,

To the next.

And things seem to magically align themselves around my house.

So I go from one activity to the other.

And I happen to remember that I have to do this thing and I'm right there and it feels like,

Oh,

Wow,

I'm in sync.

But that's not always the case because sometimes,

And this is a question,

What happens when you are in that state and yet the mind is telling you,

Oh,

But you have to pay that bill or you have to do that thing.

Or there's the long list of to-dos that don't necessarily merge with this idea that I can feel my way into the world.

So how do we do that?

How do we find that balance?

Yeah,

That's a great question.

For me,

What I notice,

I'm getting better at noticing,

I haven't been really great at noticing this throughout my whole life,

But I think I'm getting better at it,

Is to notice a tension that's happening that doesn't feel good.

Whether that tension's like here,

Or it's here,

Or it's like up in here.

If I just kind of take a breath,

If I can just remember,

This is one of the things I say to myself a lot and what I say to my clients,

Is that the hardest thing out of all this journey is simply to remember,

Like to remember that we have a choice in those moments when that kind of,

Like for me,

When that kind of tension sets in,

Right?

I don't have to keep like plowing through it and struggling through it and I can just stop and go,

And this is what I've been doing lately.

And I find this spot right here,

Which is now kind of a power spot,

A long story,

But a power spot for me.

And I find this spot,

And it feels like they go like that,

Like literally it feels like that.

And then there's something clear to do.

It feels like there's something clear to do,

To slow down or to speak the truth better,

Or to be more compassionate,

To ask instead of telling.

So for me,

A lot of it is remembering,

And I mentioned this when you and I talked,

I've talked about it a lot lately in my live events,

That in Deepak Chopra's book,

The book Metahuman,

He talks about the three aspects of our functioning that are going on all the time,

Two of which we focus on a lot,

The other one we let go,

We don't pay much attention to it.

And the two are conscious mind,

Subconscious mind,

And the third one is consciousness,

That we actually,

Every second,

Every microsecond,

We're tuned in and receiving at the consciousness level,

At literally the quantum level of the universe,

Every single moment of our life,

Just as much as we are with the conscious and subconscious.

And what this meditation thing maybe you could look at,

Is for me,

Is all about,

Is becoming more and more aware of that consciousness level,

Rather than letting the conscious subconscious be running the show all the time.

So to bring that consciousness level up to the surface and be relying on it more and more,

That's what I'm trying to remember,

To do that,

To wake up just a little bit.

How about for you?

So that is this infinite and continuous stream of information that we are exchanging with the field.

Is that consciousness?

Yeah.

Yeah.

We're in it.

We're part of it.

It's flowing through us.

Like he,

In his book,

Dr.

Chopra talks about that our eyeball,

For instance,

Can detect if you're in a totally black room,

And they take a little emitter and they emit one photon,

Which is one super,

Super tiny particle of light,

Okay?

Our eye can see that.

That's a quantum level particle of light,

And our eye can see it.

And the same goes for all of our other senses,

Taste,

Smell,

Touch,

All of them.

And people have done experiments on this to show that it's true,

That we are constantly experiencing the quantum level of reality.

We just don't know it.

Or it comes in as feelings,

Like we're talking about,

Like when I was on the Camino,

And you're talking about slowing yourself down and accessing that love that you feel,

You know?

It's always here.

There's no way to be disconnected from it ever.

You couldn't if you tried.

So how do we bring it?

How do we go with the flow of spirit?

And I think what we're talking about today are some of the ways,

At least that you and I have had,

Of figuring out,

Experimenting,

Learning,

Growing with it,

How to do it more and more.

Is it always new?

What's coming through?

Can it be old information?

Old input,

You mean?

Can it be old information?

Because I think part of the key there might be that the moment you are,

How to identify if we are connected to that,

Or projecting something from the past or into the future.

So perhaps one of the qualities that we can recognize it has,

That input,

That dance of information,

Is that it's new,

That it's fresh,

That it's somehow a combination of ideas that you didn't have before or something new to you,

But not an old thought.

So how to do more of it?

Well,

If you realize you're thinking old thoughts,

You're not it,

You're not there.

If those old thoughts are thoughts that you know aren't empowering,

What do you mean?

Well,

How to recognize that you're going about your day,

You're doing your dishes,

You're putting things away in the house,

You're packing your bag for Sri Lanka.

And how do you recognize,

Am I tuning,

You're saying you're practicing this more and more,

You're reminding yourself of how do you recognize am I doing what I want to do,

Which in this case would be allowing this consciousness field and me to merge.

So I'm tuning into that.

Or how do you recognize that you're in consciousness or subconscious,

Right?

Conscious or subconscious.

What's the difference?

Yeah,

I'm going to be curious what your answer is going to be to that question.

You're sharing from that book.

So I wonder if he gives you some sort of guidelines as to how to do recognize.

Yeah,

I highly recommend it.

I think it's one of the best books I've ever read.

And I've read a lot.

Which reminds me,

You have a reading that we want to do.

So can we come to the reading in just a minute?

Yes,

We will.

And there's also a question here from Jim.

Jim says,

This question came to me three times.

So checks your rule.

Right,

Right.

Before we answer the question,

Patrice,

The name of the book is Metahuman,

Right?

By Chopra?

Yeah,

By Deepak Chopra.

It's a really great book.

Great book.

Yeah.

I didn't read all of it,

But I remember that book.

And the question from Jim is how,

Thank you,

Violet,

So much for all the support.

How do we be with the spirit with two feet firmly on the ground,

A.

K.

A.

Physical world where things are waiting to be done?

That's it.

That's a big question.

But that is also the why we want to be with spirit,

Right?

What do you have to say,

Don?

I know what I would say,

But please go ahead.

I'm curious.

Yeah,

Things are picking up here.

Tiny added to Jim's question,

Too,

So we'll come to that.

Two feet on the ground.

Yeah.

Did you know that if you have two feet on the ground,

If you go with Dr.

Chopra's teaching,

That not just your feet are feeling the ground,

But your sense organs in your skin are picking up the energy from the earth,

Like they have to be,

Because there's energy in the earth.

So one way to think about it,

I don't mean to be too woo-woo about that,

But can we move through our days with our feet on the ground with honor and love and respect,

Courage and compassion?

And like you said earlier,

Diana,

Loving ourselves and accepting ourselves.

Can we constantly be moving our feet,

Literally moving our feet through our day and reminding ourselves,

Like coming back over and over and over to remember that we are connected with the field all the time or with spirit,

However you want to think about it,

And that every step is an affirmation about that.

Like every,

I just did the dishes here this morning in my friend Jim's Airbnb,

Because there was a bucket of dishes there.

And I said,

I'm going to do the dishes.

And there was a little voice that said,

You paid to be here.

I said,

So what?

These dishes need to be done.

I'm eating.

He's making me food.

I'm going to do the dishes.

And like that,

Jim was an example to me of feeling the honor and the love and the respect that I have for this place,

For my new friend Jim,

That I wanted to contribute.

I wanted to add to the beauty of his life and this place.

And that felt like an easy thing to do.

I took,

You know,

Eight minutes or something and did the dishes.

So that's how I would think about remembering that it's an honorable,

Like at the deepest sense of what that means.

We're honoring our life itself when we have two feet on the ground and moving forward.

That's so beautiful.

And it reminds me of this concept of service.

The times that I have lived in situations where the to-dos were removed by the nature of my life in the moment.

So I lived in a van for 10 months and I was just traveling through Australia.

So I didn't have the list that I have right now that I have two daughters and a business and a career and a practice.

Right.

So that's a very simple way.

Again,

I like to take these life experiences to see through the microscope and say,

Okay,

What can I learn from this experience to be an example and answer to this question?

The question was how,

Right?

How do we do this?

Okay.

When was the time when I didn't have all the to-dos and I had the least amount of demands?

How did I maintain my connection to spirit and my feet on the ground when there was less variables involved,

Right?

Less demands.

Well,

What do I choose to do with all that free time since I didn't have the to-dos?

Acts of service.

That's what I would do.

I would see that wherever I was honored to walk,

To be part of whatever experience,

Whatever situation,

I would aim to leave it better than I found it.

I would aim to do something for my fellow human,

To give something,

Even if it was attention,

A smile,

Kindness.

I remember visiting a monastery in that trip and seeing how could I contribute?

Could I clean something up?

Could I put something back together that was untidy?

I mean,

Just because I could,

Right?

So maybe that helps us to see that during the day-to-day as we have to check all these lists,

They are no different.

They are service in a way,

Except that who are they for is different.

Maybe service to our family,

To our kids,

To our coworkers,

To our community,

To our clients,

To the greatest good and so on.

That's what I went with that for sure.

Yeah.

Service to ourselves.

And help us too,

To get through something that doesn't feel so nice,

Right?

Because that's when we,

At least,

We could be tempted to escape,

To say,

Oh no,

Now I'm going to just go into,

You know,

Leave the ground because this feels like,

Oh,

It's heavy.

I don't want to deal with this.

There's these great stories of Gandhi going to leopard colonies where people's limbs were like,

You know,

All that was left was like a bone sticking out.

Their hand and arm and stuff had decayed right off.

And he would go to these places and take his,

You know,

His group of people and give those people baths.

And they were shunned from society and kicked out,

You know,

And seen as pariahs.

And Gandhi would say,

No,

No,

No,

These are people.

Let's go provide service.

And so they would.

That's pretty wonderful to me,

To go to that kind of level,

Right?

Like,

Extend yourself like that.

I'm loving this conversation,

Diane.

Thank you so much.

Starting to see the clock in the corner of my eye.

So I'm wondering about two things.

I wondered about your reading.

Yes.

And I wondered about something I used to do that I remembered recently.

I developed this thing when I used to run this group in Michigan.

I called it the One Minute Support Group.

And the way it worked was we would acknowledge that we're all connected.

So right now there are 96 people on this call.

So with you,

You,

Me and Violet,

There's 96 total.

So to really like take this idea that we're all in this field and we're all connected and literally entangled,

Like the particles that make up our bodies,

We're entangled together,

That we could maybe after your reading,

If we're open to it,

We could do the One Minute Support Group.

And all we do is you hold something in your mind that you need support about.

And then you do that for just a second.

And then you give over to the rest of the group support from your heart,

From your spirit,

For that thing that they want.

And it's all done silently.

And to me,

It's an acknowledgement of the field that connects all of us.

So I just had that thought.

I love that.

Yes,

We will do that for sure.

To my own clarity,

Are we going to 2.

30 or did we say an hour and we're late or hour and a half?

That's what I thought.

We said an hour and a half.

So we're eight minutes out.

Okay,

Great.

We're not late.

It took us 15 minutes to get the tech together.

But no,

No,

No.

We're going to end on time.

Don't worry,

Guys.

I love that idea.

And I love that in one minute,

We can get so much done talking about to-do lists,

Right?

And chores and tasks,

Because sometimes a minute is like nothing.

But we can give support to everyone present and everyone listening to this being present for one minute together.

I love that.

Let's do that.

Do you want to see if there's any more questions or should I go into this?

It's not really a long reading,

Which it could be simply one paragraph,

That tiny paragraph here that I opened for from trusting the gold.

So it's going to be very short and sweet.

Well,

Tiny added to Jim's question.

And they said,

When I get too busy,

Too much momentum builds with the to-do's of life.

It pulls me along and I completely forget any external perspective until I'm overwhelmed.

Yeah.

So maybe just kind of how we're talking about this between the two of us here.

It seems really valuable to remember.

And I get it that and you even said tiny,

That you completely forget.

And I totally get that.

So maybe the task is to remember and to kind of train ourselves to remember that,

Like Diana is saying here,

Maybe I'm referring to it some,

That we can bring ourselves into that state of flow.

We can bring ourselves back into acknowledging the love that we have for life or into service.

That the remembering is in some ways,

I've been thinking lately,

Like remembering is the greatest mindfulness practice.

Like in some ways,

Maybe the most important mindfulness practice to remember.

So how do you practice remembering?

You know,

Sticky notes everywhere,

I don't know,

Or like timers,

You know,

You set a timer on your phone for every 15 minutes of the whole day that goes,

Hey,

Remember,

You flow in spirit,

Like remember that,

You know,

Or whatever,

Like how can we set up reminders until it becomes a discipline?

Because you don't have to do that forever.

Just like in my work world,

People want to go on medication for anxiety or depression or whatever.

Yeah,

Sure.

But you don't have to do it forever.

You just do it until you can get on top of things.

And then.

I like that.

It's temporary.

It's a temporary reminder.

It's a temporary support system.

I like to do temporary drawings on my skin.

I actually have a pen.

I don't know if I have it with me right now.

It's upstairs on my altar.

It's a white temporary tattoo type pen.

So it's felted and nice and it's different.

It's not black or blue,

Like I might write a reminder of things on my palm.

It's a drawing or a dot or a symbol.

And when I see it,

I remember and I will use it not only to remind myself that I'm connected to spirit at all times,

But also that I'm loved.

Love that I wish I received from others.

I remember that I am it and that love is always loving me,

Like we were saying in the live event this week.

Yeah.

Look,

Don,

At this point,

I'm so used to you popping in and out that I don't even,

Like I didn't even flinch.

I just kept going.

So to talk about adaptation and our lovely quality as humans to just integrate.

Why don't you do the read?

Let's do that.

Okay.

I am.

So this is a reading from those of you that are not familiar with my live sessions.

I read often from this book.

It's called Trusting the Gold by our beloved meditation teacher Tara Brach that is also in this app.

And I opened the book as I always do.

I'm asking for it to be open in what is for the greatest service of all present.

And this is what it says.

It's a person.

Actually,

If you can see the drawing,

There's beautiful watercolor drawings and this person is in the woods and what you can see coming out of this person's body,

It's like a pinkish gloom or something.

It feels like that connection,

But materialized when we feel held by a caring presence,

By something larger than our small frightened self,

We begin to find room in our own heart for the fragments of our life and for the lives of others.

When we feel held by a caring presence by something larger than our small frightened self,

We begin to find room in our own heart for the fragments of our life and for the lives of others.

The suffering that might have seemed too much can awaken us to the sweetness of compassion.

The suffering that might have seemed too much can awaken us to the sweetness of compassion.

Wow.

Very timely,

Right?

For what we're talking about.

Very timely.

It's beautiful.

Thank you.

Thank you.

How does that rest with you?

How does it sit with you?

I think since we didn't plan much about what we're going to talk about today,

None of this is scripted and yet we set ourselves the intention of talking about going with the spirit and having a flowing conversation about it.

That's exactly what it feels like.

It's being held by that presence,

But that sweet presence that allows us,

Because we feel held by it,

Allows us to go in to the heart and into the hearts of others.

I mean,

It's exactly what we're talking about.

Very precise words.

And then transforming or transmuting what otherwise would have been a heavy load that I might feel like I'm carrying by myself into the sweetness of compassion.

We could all do with more compassion,

Right?

And it's hard to teach.

It's hard to practice.

Well,

How about a practice that allows us to transmute suffering into compassion?

Sign me up for that.

So what is the practice?

Oh,

Let myself be held by a caring presence that has more space in my heart and more connection to the hearts of others.

Wow.

Okay,

Let's do it.

So basically saying yes to what we've been doing this whole hour and more of it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's what I read into that.

What did you read into that?

I accept the invitation to that party.

All right.

Thank you.

Yes,

And more,

Please.

Yes.

Oh,

Gosh.

I love it.

Yeah.

When that sense of being held comes from within us,

Too.

I mean,

Here's where the spirit thing comes in,

I think.

Whether it's God or spirit or the field,

Whatever you want to say,

That if we can literally viscerally experience,

Feel it in our bodies,

Right?

Feel it in our hearts and feel kind of enveloped like it's all around us.

Sometimes I'll play with it and I'll kind of go like this where I can sort of feel the field or I'll tune in my body to it and feel the field.

And sometimes I've sent like energy from my heart to somebody else's heart or from my belly to somebody else's belly across the country or across the world.

And people have said to me,

What did you just do?

You just did something to me,

You know?

Yeah.

You know,

Kind of.

Because we're all connected and it's all the field.

So why can't we do that?

That seems reasonable.

So to me,

Part of that being held,

And I loved what this part of the reading that said the suffering that we think is too much to bear suddenly becomes a vehicle for compassion.

That's how I heard it.

And compassion for ourselves and compassion for other people.

And that's a whole different experience,

You know,

Than suffering.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Have you ever done this thing where you look at other people and imagine that they are you or that you are they?

Like just wonder.

Like put yourself into them,

That kind of thing?

Yeah.

To to to really take that idea of the merging,

Right?

Because when you do this,

I feel like,

Yeah,

I can I can relate to that.

I've done that.

I felt that merging with the field.

And again,

I'm always going to bring us back to but it's easy to do on the meditation chair.

Sure.

For some people,

It's impossible to they don't even know how.

So I assume wrong to assume,

But I assume that because we're here in this app,

Giving our attention to this event,

And that's something else that we are interested in,

In meditating,

We are interested in self inquiry,

We're interested in going within.

So,

So it's not new to us,

The practice of sitting of contemplation.

Okay,

So it's easy there.

It's easy.

But what if I'm having a challenging conversation with somebody that I care about?

Can I in that moment,

Do that thing and merge?

So how do I do that?

I was thinking to myself,

How do I merge with the field when I'm in the presence of something that is challenging,

And not private safe space.

And I do it sometimes by by imagining we are one,

Like by considering that we are one.

And if we're one,

You are me,

And I am you,

And you are God,

And I am God,

And we are everything.

So,

So that separation that I feel by,

I don't know if I understand what you're saying,

Or I agree with what you're saying,

Or I see it differently,

Or whatever else dissolves,

Dissolves by nature,

Because it's,

I tend to see in that moment to realize that it's different,

Since in tax fix,

Different word choice,

Different context,

Different,

Choosing what to share from the whole pie of the experience.

Like,

I'm going to share with you this little bit,

Because I cannot transfer my whole self into you right now.

But we are,

We are one,

And we're talking on this thing in the end.

And that helps me find that merging in a practical way more and more.

Yeah,

I was taught in my first meditation class I went to back in 1976.

It's a long time ago.

If you want to really experience the other person,

You could go into meditation,

And with your imagination,

Reach out,

Pick up their head like a paper bag,

Turn it,

Put it down over your head.

Yes,

Yes.

Sometimes I'll do it with hearts,

You know,

I'll reach out and grab the person's heart with my imagination and bring it in here.

So yeah,

Yeah.

I'm loving this conversation,

Don,

And I'm aware that we are wrapping up soon too.

So two things I want to invite people before we,

Let's do that practice,

The one minute support group before we go.

I want to invite everybody,

Well first thanking you for being here,

Inviting you to share in the chat if you like this conversation,

So we can have it again,

Because we're planning another live session.

Don is traveling to Sri Lanka in a few days,

Couple days,

And we're planning with the loving support of Violet here to have another live session.

He will be in Sri Lanka,

And I will be in Pennsylvania,

And Violet is in New York,

So we're going to make this triangle again,

And if you liked it,

We will do it.

We'll find the time in October,

And also if you're interested in going further into this topic or something else,

So we'll decide,

But I want to open it to suggestions from the group.

If you like this,

If there's more here that you're curious about,

Or just leave it open to whatever we feel guided to.

Maybe we could do a quick little survey.

Yeah,

That's what I'm wondering.

There are 116 people,

And Patrice says yes,

Christine says yes,

Michelle's loved it,

So how about if we can get 20 people to say yes,

We'll do another live one.

How about that?

So bored talking to you,

Don,

That I want it's got to be at least 20 people,

Because otherwise why would I do this?

I'm just kidding.

It's so fun to me to just chat.

Imagine if we could do this often,

Right?

Yeah.

And keep peeling the layers.

So how many do we have?

There's a whole bunch popping up.

Yes,

Yes,

Yes,

Yes,

With lots of exclamation,

Absolutely,

Would love another live.

Thank you,

Violet,

And your profile.

Yes,

Yes,

Yes,

Yes,

Jim says.

Amazing.

Here's when you just said that,

Diana,

Here's my thought was,

What if,

Oh,

It's scary to say it.

So this is one of those moments,

Right?

Yes,

Yes,

Therese says,

Marcy says yes.

I think we're approaching 20.

We need five more,

I think.

Ronnie says live in same topic.

That's a good answer.

I was looking for,

Like,

What do you want us to talk about?

Together,

You're on fire with incredible conversation.

So I wonder,

Okay,

Here's the idea that made me scared to say it out loud.

What if we started our own podcast channel,

You and me?

Oh,

Okay.

Yes,

I like it.

I like it.

I also want to bring some challenges too.

Yeah.

You know me,

Right?

Like,

I'm not going to just go with the flow.

I just feel,

I want to bring the edge to the conversation.

So yes,

I would be super happy to consider that.

Probably has to be like a recording event.

So yeah,

Put it out as a recording to Diana and Don.

It's two Ds,

Right?

So the D works.

Yeah,

D squared.

Oh,

Wonderful.

Okay.

What are some topics that you guys are interested in?

Can you just all the crowd here,

The audience,

And then we'll make notes on this?

Because we can always come up with our own.

I'm always downloading things that I talk about in the live sessions that I run daily.

But what are things that you guys are interested that you feel that they're not enough covered anywhere,

Or that you would like to listen to from our perspectives?

Grief.

Oh,

That's a good one.

Fulfillment of life.

Yeah,

That's interesting.

Meaning living a life with fulfillment.

Is that what you mean,

Michelle?

Diana,

It was meant to be a podcast.

Thank you,

Violet,

For that.

I think it would be better Diana and Don,

Trust or the spirit.

Okay,

Michelle,

Thank you.

Trust.

Hmm.

Bipolar too.

How do we support?

Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah.

Passion.

All right,

We're going to make notes on this.

We have already five episodes.

Okay,

So Don,

What is your thought?

We'll talk about this later,

Like how to do this.

Okay.

Do we get to keep,

Violet,

Maybe,

You know,

Do we get to keep the comment section?

Can we access a comment section?

Or maybe,

I don't know,

How to be a joyful Jedi,

Jim says.

I love that.

That's great.

Maybe that's the title of the podcast.

Yeah,

Joyful Jedi.

D&D,

The joyful Jedis.

Yeah,

There you go.

May the force be with you,

Jim.

Dealing with aging parents.

I like that.

And emotions.

Yes.

In my experience,

Guys,

When I replay my live sessions,

I see the comments.

Oh,

Really?

You see them?

Yeah.

Okay.

Also,

Since we've been reading them,

We could listen to the recording and just make notes,

But I think we can replay the live events and see the comments.

Okay.

Thank you so much,

Guys,

For the vote of confidence,

For the support,

And for the ideas.

Yeah,

Yeah.

I'm open.

We got enough to say yes,

We'll do another one,

Right?

We got enough yeses?

Oh,

Yes,

We will.

We'll choose one topic,

The one probably the most mentioned topic.

Tiny's also talking about people coming in and out of our lives,

Our homes,

Relationships,

Changing different people,

Different boundaries.

Yeah,

I love it.

What else I was going to say to this is,

Oh,

Yeah,

That because you felt the fear,

I thought this is good.

Yeah.

Fear is not something to dismiss as a sign that there's energy building and momentum and excitement and something that wants to break through.

How do you say that?

Break through that when the fear comes,

Like,

Yeah,

Tell me more,

Tell me more.

Yeah.

For it to come through,

For it to become a thing that,

You know,

Inspires people and helps to evolve people and helps to evolve us.

To think of it not as something where we're just,

You know,

Blabbing at folks,

Because I certainly didn't feel like that today.

But that evolves us and expands us.

Yeah,

I can also appreciate that.

I mean,

It's funny,

We don't want to go too long and it's already time.

But I wanted to say I wanted to add to this topic that I have so much respect for you,

For your experience,

For what you bring,

For what you've done.

I find myself sometimes sharing,

You ask me a question,

I answer it.

And at the same time,

I'm not an expert,

Right?

And I have so much respect for what you do,

For what you share.

And I hear the same humble wisdom in you.

You're talking from what you know,

But yet you're not claiming an expertise,

You know,

Final word in the matter.

And I really appreciate that tone,

That exchange,

That energy in our conversation.

It's not you're trying to convince me,

I'm not trying to convince you,

You're not telling me what's the latest study on this,

Like,

Approval.

Yeah,

It's like,

No.

And that is authentic.

And from there,

I feel so many of us can find their own voices,

Right?

Perhaps one step sideways is a different perspective,

But we don't know that we can forget.

Well,

And I'll just send you back a similar kind of support that,

As I said earlier,

I find your expansive love and all the ways that you express it through your work and through your words,

The way you call people honey and dear and my loves.

It's very freeing.

I have had to kind of break out of a prison of constraint through my life.

And that constraint is no longer much fun.

It's taken a lot of work to do that.

And you know,

My parents,

The church I grew up in all that stuff had had Catholic schools that had a place in all of that.

But maybe a person like you comes along and has this,

You know,

Like effervescent love pouring out.

And it's really a wonderful experience.

So I'm honored to be able to be in your presence and for you to even consider doing another one,

Like lifts me up.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

When we look at the gift on the side of all this,

The work,

Because it does look like work sometimes to pay attention,

To remember,

To connect intentionally,

Overcome the fear,

Everything,

Everything,

Everything.

I recognize that as the most precious gift that I have received as a consequence of staying true to myself and doing this work,

Which is freedom.

It's unbelievably,

I mean,

Unconceivably levels of freedom,

Because there's nothing more freeing actually than realizing that you're connected to that oneness we're talking about,

Because then we are infinite.

We are limitless.

We are metahuman.

So,

So wow.

And yes,

I am enthusiastic.

I know.

And at the same time,

How could I not,

How could I keep this unto myself?

Why would I?

So,

So you can,

It's also because I'm Latina,

Right?

So Latina's present in the house,

Raise your hands.

We are loud,

We are vivacious,

Right?

We have this,

This group,

But it's,

It helps us too,

Because otherwise spirituality can become this very serious task.

And it's not,

It's not necessarily that.

Yes.

Yeah.

With a lot of love and respect for a serious devoted spiritual practice,

If it's not joyous and it's not filling you with happiness and excitement,

There's more.

If there isn't dancing in the revolution,

I don't want any part of it.

Right.

Yeah.

Like you said,

I went into this party,

Right?

It's a party.

It is.

Yeah.

Too loud about it.

Oh my God.

Thank you,

Dan,

So much.

Can you,

Can you guide us through that one minute support practice?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So let's just,

Let's just get quiet here.

And we've had this wonderful conversation and so many people have shared in such a beautiful way,

The connection between all of us,

All 132 of us.

It's a very,

Very beautiful connection.

Maybe we can all feel honored by each other's presence stretching all the way around the world.

And the one minute support group idea would just get quiet like this.

And you just think about literally a word or a phrase that you want some support around in your life that you might be struggling with or challenged by,

Or maybe just want to evolve to the next level.

So let's,

Let's all of us just think about that for just one moment,

Just one word or a phrase.

Okay.

Everybody have it.

Then feel that connection,

Knowing that we are all entangled.

The physicists have proven this.

The Nobel prize for physics was won this year by entanglement experts showing that the universe is so entangled.

We're all connected and we can experience that connection right this moment for each other,

With each other.

So let's just,

In our circle,

Feel the love for each other,

Gratitude for coming together,

And the support for each other,

Or that word or phrase that each of us said to ourselves.

So just emanate support from your heart all the way around this circle so that we can feel this intense support and love for each other.

There it is.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So beautiful.

Thank you,

Don.

What a beautiful practice.

Yes.

We'll do that again.

We'll do that again.

So sweet.

Thank you.

Wow.

What a beautiful way also to close this session and say once again,

Thank you.

Thank you to you,

Don,

For your presence,

Your wisdom,

Your heart.

Thank you to you,

Violet,

For making it possible.

Yay,

Violet.

Zoom and all the other platforms that participated in this event and an insight for bringing us together.

Wow.

It's a beautiful thing.

28 million people around the world.

Wow.

That's amazing.

For a whole country.

Oh yeah,

For sure.

I wanted to say if any of you guys want to donate to Violet and if you can do it for her time,

For support,

That would be amazing.

There's a red button on the top of the screen and I'm sure that it's welcomed and appreciated.

Violet kindly muted herself,

But I know she would say thank you guys.

Follow her page.

Take a look at Don's page.

Take a look at mine.

We do weekly live events.

Don,

You do weekly live events.

I do daily weekday events and we will do another one.

So you stay tuned to Violet.

You'll see when our next live session is and how this seed of the podcast will sprout and grow and what it's going to turn into.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Who knows?

I love it.

It's the beauty.

It's the mystery.

Amazing.

Thank you,

Jim.

I see your donation there.

Sometimes they don't come in real time,

But thank you.

Thank you guys.

You're welcome,

Pat.

Yeah.

So many great comments in the chat of gratitude.

Thank you,

Christine.

Appreciate that.

For making note of all the topics,

We'll make a list and cover them slowly.

Other than this,

Love you,

Love you,

Love you.

Wow.

So much gratitude.

And this is proof that dreams come true.

I wanted to do a live,

Call live,

Do a whatever this is called for so long and yay,

Two dreams coming true.

All right.

So we'll send information and invitations to our next party.

Maybe we should call it that,

The party.

Diana and Don's party.

Something about that that I really,

Really like.

We'll have to see what we'll talk about.

Okay.

Maybe we come up with some titles and we poll them too,

Because now that,

You know,

The universe is emergent,

Right?

And this came out of all of us here together.

So we're all participants,

We're creators.

So you don't get to name it alone.

No,

No.

We don't want any mansplaining here either.

We don't want any of that.

So I'm trying,

Trying hard not to go in that direction.

No,

That's okay.

I won't let you,

Don't worry.

Okay,

Good.

Guys,

Also,

This is our very first live conversation together.

So I think,

Thank you because it's flowed beautifully.

Thank you,

Don.

Yeah.

Complementary energies,

I can feel.

Blessings to everyone.

Much love to everyone.

You too.

Yes.

All right,

Guys.

Thank you so much,

Violet.

You can end the live session whenever.

And much love to you all.

See you next time.

Bye now.

Bye-bye.