Ask Your Guides! Sound Healing - Live - 11/10/24

Ask Your Guides! Presents: Sound Healing with Wakes, James Anthony Walker, Fátima Teixeira, Cory Davis, and Susie Sands -- and hosts Melanie Underwood and Violet 108. Please follow them on Insight Timer!

Unleash the Healing Power of Sound: Join us as our esteemed teachers share their personal journeys and profound insights into the healing properties of sound. Discover how specific frequencies and vibrations can positively influence your mind, body, and spirit. Understand the science behind sound therapy and how it can help reduce stress, improve sleep, enhance creativity, and promote emotional balance. Discover simple yet effective ways to incorporate sound healing into your daily routine. Create a soothing soundscape from the many tracks available here on Insight Timer, from these amazing sound healers!

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Transcript

I am very excited today because we have some amazing sound healers with us and I know you're going to have lots of questions for them. I'm excited for them to tell you a little bit more about them and I know that you know a lot of them. Some of them need no introduction but I am going to get started and I am going to start from the bottom and have everyone introduce themselves. So Fatima, I am going to start with you. Hello everyone, Thank you so much for this beautiful moment. My name is Fatima, I'm from Portugal and I have been on Inside Timer since 2019. I'm very happy to be here. I'm not sure if I should share something else but maybe just in a nutshell my background. I am a professional musician for more than 20 years and I started to have personal development more than 10 years ago and now I'm a sound healer, Handpan player, I'm a professional pianist, Composer and producer. So it's really beautiful to be here with these amazing and inspiring people. Some of them I already saw their lives and it's very very warming. Thank you for being with us. Wow, That's an impressive background too. Suzy, I am going to move over to you. Sure, Tough to follow. I'm Suzy Sands, It's so great for And I want to point out that Suzy is a neighbor, She's also in New York and I actually got to meet her for the first time last month. We went to a sound healing event for Gerilyn Glass, Who I know Suzy you learned from and she's amazing. And it was my first time seeing her in person and I was speechless. All right, Ada and Nathan Wakes. Hello. Hi, Yes, I'm Ada, This is Nathan and we go by Wakes and we're married. A couple that got into, Well really our relationship started with music at the heart. We met singing, We met Christmas caroling and our first date we shared music, Shared songs that we had written and I think insofar as sound healing and our journey with it, I would say like for both of us going way back, We were young people that processed our lives and our emotions and our physical experience through music. I was definitely someone that sang to myself a lot and just had this relationship with music that was so cathartic and so powerful and so healing. And then, You know, We both did our own like musical things, Being in bands and so forth. But I feel like in our coming together, Our journeys, Our journeys with yoga, Exposure to different influences and teachers kind of, I feel like our togetherness helped us jump into this work and maybe a lot of encouragement from life. And we've kind of developed our own style of sound baths and immersive kind of musical experiences that we hope are a part of a healing process for the people that experience them. Yeah, We use a lot of our voices and lyrics from songs that we write. And I think we're really interested in music's special power to light up so much of our inner world. So we get to discover so much more about who we are. Yeah. And our name is Awakes and that's kind of hearkening to this opportunity for awakening that we really feel is so possible through music, The power of music. So grateful to be here. Thank you. Oh gosh, I'm thrilled to have you here. I remember, You know, Being on Insight Timer and seeing you for the first time and was like, Who are these amazing people? You know, You always had four or 500 people in attendance and your your music was just amazing. Like I was mesmerized. So I'm thrilled to have you. Thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. And James, Moving on to you. Good morning from sunny Santa Barbara, California. My name is James. I'm a classically trained composer. I spent many years I started on Insight Timer in 2016. Prior to that, I spent many years writing what I would call academic, Very complex music. And because that was that was that was part of the journey in the circle I was running at that time. And one day I woke up and said, I really don't want to do this anymore, Frankly, Because the music was just ugly and too complex for most listeners to appreciate or derive really much benefit from. So I really made a quantum shift at some point years ago to try and determine from what I knew how to do, How could I make that if something of benefit to others and to arrive here after a number of years. So it's been a fun ride along the way. I was marketing communications director for several companies, One of which was in the music industry by the name of Gibson. So here I am. Thanks so much for being here and having me. Absolutely. And I always love to mention this when I'm around James, That his floating track has 18 million hits. And I am definitely a million of those. So thank you for being here. And Corey, I am Corey from North Plains, Oregon. Not so sunny here at the time. But my journey with Inside Timer started when I lived at an inn and spa down in Detroit, Oregon. It's actually a hot hot springs called Brighton Bush. I've walked the path of chronic illness most of my life and always looking for different ways of healing myself. I was really inspired by the river that runs through there, Brighton Bush River. So I did a recording of that and then just got really interested in isochronic tones and binaural beats and how they can act as frequency medicine and ability to kind of shift one's state into a more healing state. And so I was inspired to find music that complemented the sounds of the water, Embedded these frequencies, Had such an amazing experience with it and shared the album with others that were part of the Brighton Bush. And they experienced really profound shifts as well. So I found Inside Timer, I guess, Two years later in 20 and started my own Inside Timer to just help share what we can experience, Heal through sounds and grateful and great to be here. Awesome to have you here. I don't think I ever told you this, Corey. But the first time I heard one of your tracks, I was going through some serious sciatic pain and happened. And that's how I found you. And I was hooked. Amazing stuff. So thank you. Thank you all of you for being here with us. And I am going to go over to Melanie, Who is going to direct questions at this amazing panel. And I'm going to sit back and be quiet and enjoy. Thank you guys for joining. And I just want to say that I think it's amazing that you guys are here and wakes. I actually I think I started listening to you when you had 300 followers. And yes, It was pretty amazing. And I think it's a small world because Ada and I have a friend in common that we never knew. And Susie is my neighbor, Literally. And I met Susie because I started listening to her on Insight Timer, And then realized she lives very close to me and is a very good friend of mine today. So the power of so many things, But definitely music and community. So actually, Nobody's written in the chat yet their questions. But I was thinking about this when you guys were speaking about the power of music. And then Corey, You kind of answered this a little bit when we're speaking about your journey with pain. And then I was thinking about James's track having 18 million listens. And many of you guys do. I mean, Last night, We have family visiting, I played the tallest tree, And I from wakes. And I said, This is and this might sound morbid. But if you know me, You know, It isn't I want that played at my funeral. And it's a song that my husband doesn't understand, Because it's so deep and powerful in its message. And so how did how did that come to be for all of you? You know, Music is so powerful words, Not words. You know, Corey, You spoke about your chronic illness, But what was really your driving factor to get where you are today? Susie? I'll go first question. And for me, It wasn't a driving factor, But the flow of life. I mean, That genuinely, I feel like every little tiny is a part of me since childhood since been since has been a part of this path, You know, That it's continue to expand. Also an invitation for everyone to step in to say yes to that you so uncomfortable, Because we're constantly building circuit, We're constantly, In a sense, Electrifying our body for something. And that truly has been my path towards sound healing and can my path to participate. Yeah, I would say that it found me I am grateful to the universe for and so so well, Susie, Can I prod a little bit more? Sure. But what was the lead? Where Where were you? How did you say I'm gonna play crystal balls? Yeah, So that moment in time was after and she had given me this one of Susie is time I had done some work as a student. She said it's time to R and I said to the universe, Okay, I know, But what and I found and in that moment, Wow, What is this? And how can I just step to that was anybody else wakes? Well, I'll go ahead. Yeah, I just was gonna share that. For me, I grew up playing music in my church. And I think that, While I'm not that's not a context that I continue to engage in, On a regular basis, It still has a heart. It taught me something about connecting to something larger than myself connecting to sharing music in a community, First and foremost, Is a really powerful thing. Singing with other people, I think is is really an incredible experience. And I both grew up singing in choirs and got to travel with our with our the choir that we both happen to be in in our hometown, Like to Europe and singing cathedrals and things. So I think there's something really profound in music's ability to kind of crack us open to, To have shared experiences, As well as to kind of create some fluidity between these capacities for different levels of consciousness that that we can tune into something that's uniquely personal to us, We can have a shared experience in a group listening to music, Dancing, Or we can we can connect to something beyond ourselves with open that kind of cosmic conscious space. And so for me, That's just been a really transformative place for me a place of self discovery. And yeah, It's been with me for since the very beginning, I don't remember it ever not being such an important part of my life. So I love the opportunity feel so blessed to get to spend so much time doing James, To pick up on something I was saying before a little bit. I did have a habit as a as a composer and having gone through many, Many years of education on that topic, I found that I had a practice being extremely detail oriented. And as I approached creating something, I would feel compelled to have an outline a fairly detailed out where I wanted to start where things went from there, How I wanted to end and develop. And I was in that pattern. And one day I said, You know, I have so much of this as a as a result of going through that process. I really don't like any of it. I had dozens and dozens scores, And I threw them all away. So I don't want to do this anymore. I don't like and came to the point where I said, You know, What if I just sit down and get get being a good Buddhist get the get the monkey mind chatter stop as best as I can and just see what happens. And what do I what am I going to receive in that moment? And since then, It's developed into this practice, If you want to call it where if I sit down and I'm writing something and I go, I don't write real quickly. If I go a couple of three hours and I'm tied to something else and stop for the day and then pick it up the next day, I really have no idea what I'm doing next. And that sounds self deprecating, But it's not. Just pick up on listening to what I had done before and see what strikes me. It could be a totally different direction than what I thought I would do the day prior, But that's OK. And I found that that's for me a more authentic, More genuine. So that's that's how I've come to. It's really the other part of where I found myself these days is that I quickly picked up on the fact that, Wow, This really is doing something for someone else and people are using it for a variety of purposes. In large part, A lot of my listeners are sleep deprived chronically. Many others use it in support of a variety of somatic practice. So it's become something that it's just been so much more joyful rather than, I would say, Tedious. So that and the companionship and developing relationships within the community on it, It's been a wonderful two way street. That's beautiful. Corrie or Fatima, Would you like to add to that? Yes, I come from a background similar to James, A classical background, And I always felt that what I was doing was not my personality or I could not put myself. I thought, How can I be? Someone can listen to me and knows that it's me. How can I create my personality in music? And then just like Susie was saying, Things started to unfold. I was trying unknown styles, Rock, Pop, Covers, Auditionals, All the kind of bands and different, Many different things. And I got to this point in 2016 when I started doing meditation music and I really felt how the music background could empower the guided voice. And I started feeling that some guided meditations that had a little noise on the microphone and a little thing, They kind of were strange for me. I'm very auditive. The breaking point for me was when I started, For some time already, I was sharing these things to people in a channeled way. And I started thinking, This can be together, Music, What I do in music is healing that is happening, These messages that are happening. And when I started studying sounding and I could see that, For example, Through the tuning forks, I was not only check, Aligning chakras, But I was also bringing messages. And when they say, It's that, And everybody says it's that, There is something here and I want to dive into that. So it's like someone calling you all the time. And if you don't do it, You are losing a purpose or you are losing a peace inside yourself. So I feel it's a mix between something you love, In this case music, We all here have, We are very auditive. And at the same time, The purpose of I'm here to do something else to the community. And I feel also, Especially in the last years, Maybe since COVID, I feel that we have more need to step out and do more soundbites, Do more healing, Be more for people, Share more. And the words just came out easily. The notes just come. When I was saying wakes live a few days ago, I could feel this is just, You know, They are just channeling. So when this channeling happens, You should not stop it. So let it be. That will be. I'll just continue just a bit of, I guess, That story to round this one out, Which is, Even though my chronic illness is not pain, When I was at Brighton Bush, I had a friend who did suffer from chronic pain. And as I was getting into understanding how frequencies can be medicine, I designed a track for her out of a sense of compassion, Right? Like, This is so interesting to go to James's idea of Buddhism, Right? That even though Buddha was about ending suffering, He was also about compassion, Which means to suffer with. So that's an interesting paradox. And it shows the nature of our hearts that we may achieve enlightenment, But we can't leave everyone behind. That doesn't, It doesn't work, You know, For us on the path. So all the sound healers come from that place of we can't not share what we believe will help or heal. And so I designed that track to activate the endocannabinoid system, Which I was also learning about, Which is a fascinating thing that spirituality also points to this idea of satchitananda, Right? Being consciousness bliss. Oh, We can actually activate our bliss body through music, Through sounds, Through states of our brain being more passive than active. And suddenly, A seeming magic from what comes in a sense of energy can take us over and has a profound chance to change our physiology. As we know, Through research done with cannabis, That these cannabinoids can really have a profound effects on cancer and our cellular health. And what's interesting about cannabinoids is we make them ourselves. Our body makes something called anandamide, Right? Which is bliss molecule. So if we use sound as a method of healing, We can access things that go beyond the mind and thoughts realm and activate a difference is what drove me into wanting to share that. I just want to jump in there and say that is the best explanation I have ever heard. Thank you for that. And also, I just want to throw out there to everybody, What you know, Fatima said about it's a calling and you were doing what you were called to do. And sort of you were saying if I didn't do this, I'm not being true to myself. That applies to no matter what you do. You know, That's something that I bring to my lives every day, Because I do that through food. And I really always encourage people to do the same thing for themselves, Because that's when you'll be living in such a beautiful space. Okay, We have some. Oh, Yes. Wakes. Late, You're on mute. Okay. I just wanted to jump in on that as well, Just as far as like this journey to get here. And I don't know, For someone that's like really loved singing and wanting, Wanted to be in music, Like since I was, You know, In my fifth grade school play as the lead, Whatever, I feel like the like professionalization of music creates so many limiting beliefs for so many of us that have this desire to, To express ourselves in this way, Or to use our voice or to use the instruments that we might like to explore to kind of process our lives. And I think for me, Like the journey with sound healing that maps from before, But there's something like more intuitive for me with it, With this sense of like flow of expression and not needing to be perfect and, And kind of creating that space of allowing an emergence for others. And I think too, There's something for me around like the shift of the type of listening that we can have with music. You know, There's one way we interact with music where it's around us, It's like in the elevator, It's in the coffee shop, And it's so great, It's impacting us. But then there's something else when we really tune in, Like when we really listen, When we go into the headphones and we're like noticing all the textures and noticing how it resonates in us and noticing this like beautiful interaction and how powerfully it shifts our physiology. So for me, I think like knowing from little me that so intuitively used music as the language of emotion to help myself express my emotions and feel them and process them and move them. Like it's so, So cool to be able to share that with others so that others can self-regulate and feel like that physiological somatic power that music has, But with so much intention that I think comes with all the spaces that everyone here is trying to create with this deep listening, This dual listening of listening to what we're hearing, But then as much listening, Like deep inside our hearts and our bodies and listening, Like what's really like here for me to hear. And so I think that's been like a powerful motivator as like our path in sound healings unfolded and just this music as the language of emotion and how amazing that is to interact with and share. Thank you. That ties actually very closely into a question that Bethany asked, Which is when, How did your passion for music merge with spirituality? You can unmute yourself if you want to answer that. Corey? Yeah, I think, You know, Just starting to listening to meditative music, Which could be found on Inside Time, Know that music could be used in such a way, Which I think is a lot of what I've been hearing about our shared stories is we let go of a compositional mind about things, A mind that wants to structure and measure reality and make it into an exacting math and science versus the art of simply being and intuiting and using that mode of our being that suddenly when we connect to that space, Which is not of the nature of what we can measure, Right? We can't, What is the weight of a thought? What is the depth and breadth of how much we love one another, Right? Those things can't be measured. They can't be put onto a sense of how we compose music in a traditional way. Oftentimes there has to be a poetry involved. So I think when I sat down, The idea that music had to be commercial, Right, Or needed to have a certain form or structure, Suddenly then a whole different way of interacting with sound. I was hearing the Rent song, 525, 600 minutes. You know, They're like, How do you measure a year? How do you measure all these things that make life meaningful? Shout out to the Rent composers. I saw Susie's hand up. Oh, Okay. Yeah. I was just going to say that for me, The second that I received first a Crystal Alchemy Bowl, Able to really just step into the sound and music had always been an expression for say that I have described their history. It's always a part of my life through singing, Playing, But it became an expression. I work. It was important to me to step in part to have this modalities, But I know we all are healers of our own. That's part of their own. I did see a question about CMI. Something about that? Yeah. I mean, I was going to ask that to everybody, But I'm just going to throw that out there because I don't know if everybody saw it. It was from Cindy who said, I'm interested in your opinion on chronic fatigue syndrome. This is a disease where any and all stimulation can worsen symptoms. I have been unable to listen to music I love since contracting this illness. If no experience with this disorder, I understand. Yeah. So I think my invitation to try it out is to begin and allow your expressions to start to go. One tool that we all have and it's, And we don't need a bowl. We really are the healers. And so I would invite you to just into those spaces that are alive for you. And, But it's really taking any sound, Be almost that childlike joy and wonder, And just having your voice come out. Any sounds good, But tuning and just spending and is slowly building. And that's part of the heat. And then maybe other a bit. Does anybody else want to have any feelings on Cindy's question? And it's okay if you don't. I mean, There's a lot of questions related to healing that came from people. Karen also asked, Is there a difference in the healing derived from listening to making listening to music compared to making music? Corey? Oh, Go ahead. Sorry. James, Go ahead. No, No, No. I just, I, Could you repeat that? Yes. One second. Is there a difference in the healing derived from listening to music compared to making? Well, For me, In my personal experience of listening and creating, To me, It's really two sides of the same coin. Listening to music is transformative. And so it's creating it and they're transformative in their approach. Listening for me is kind of a two-way street because music can make you feel different, But how you feel to begin with can also make how you listen if you get mad. So they're very much commingled. The creative aspect, To jump back a little bit on your question of spirituality and music, That was years ago and it was very, Very almost imperceptibly increment. And I started very early on just observing, You know, Whether it was at a rock orchestral event, Something as nuts as a barbershop quartet. But what was the commonality in all those experiences? Really, The commonality for me, Wow, Just observing, Something is changing all these people around I'm sitting here. And what is it? Well, I've come over the years to believe that it is the dimension of spirit that is somehow interlocked, Divisible. And I found in recent, More recent years, Say in the last 10, 15 years, That spirit as a dimension, An essential, Critical dimension of health is very real. Matter of fact, It's how my partner constantly came to author a course in spiritual health on that. So that's how it came. And again, From observation of her classes, She would have students from 1890 and we would play some music. And the transformation is astounding across such a broad spectrum. I mean, That's how those things. I thought Corey was going to say something before. Yeah. No, I think it's good to move to the next question. I love what Susie said that kind of captured what's going after. Okay. I was just about to share that when you were speaking, I was feeling the example of a mentor that is also a mentor. And I kind of feel that music. I have these moments in which I want to give, I'm enjoying, You know, You are channeling, You are even in any areas of your life, There are these moments in which you are in the zone. And it's, It's so powerful, Even for yourself, You get to the end of a session, And you feel, You can also feel released in some way, Because you feel you did your part, You are also receiving and giving. And just the same way, A mentor is a giver, He also receives mentoring, And he also has the moment to receive. So we can have those both moments. And I feel a lot that when we are givers, We, We just surrender, We just, It's, It's a light that, That I don't know, But I feel the example allows to imagine for who is not a musician, Although as musicians or sound healers, We even when we are singing, We are being in some way musicians, You know, There are so many musicians out there that never had academic school, And they are wonderful. So, You know, Anyone here can be a beautiful musician and singer. The thing is, We can, We can give and receive and enjoy both paths. If we know what we are feeling right now, We are needing right now, What is our intention. So I welcome everyone, Give and receive, It can be music, It can be a message, It can be sharing, It can be something that comes out of the blue, A dance. Sometimes we just do something, You know, Funny, And we make something laugh, And we already made it person. So I will bring giving and receiving in this, In this question of listening. Thank you. Wix. I just wanted to add, I love that, That you're talking about, About that flow state. And I think music is such a beautiful opportunity, A beautiful invitation to either the musician who is, Who is kind of like tuning, Attuning themselves to what they want to play next, And to the audience, Who is just attuning themselves to the, To what is coming next. And it opens up something in us where we can let go of that preference mind that wants to control or predict or hang on. And, And just invites us to an easy flow. That's what I was thinking about when you're talking Fatima. So thank you. That really ties in to something that Carrie said. She said the whole idea of sound and frequency is so interesting. I love it. How do you all feel how much that helps your music heal others? I don't know. This is, This is kind of funny to me. But so Nathan and I, I guess we never said that we've, We, We've been doing this for about eight years and got on Insight Timer and at the very end of 2020 pandemic was that real shift into the online space. But before that, You know, We were touring and playing in yoga studios and different spaces. And it's, It, For me, Maybe I hope I'm understanding the question correctly, But there's this suspension you have to do between some outcome that you hope or some idea that you're trying to perceive in someone else, Especially with a sound bath. We have people laying there, Their eyes are closed and Nathan and I would, You know, We're moving around the room, We're singing, We're doing all these things. And you kind of come close to someone, Your, Your rational mind, Your fear mind can come in and be like, I hate this. They think this is so weird. You know, It just, You could be just projecting onto them, Your own discomfort, Your own fear, Your uncertainty, Because nobody's clapping because normally when you, When you sing or perform, You get some feedback, Like they're nodding their heads or they're smiling at you or something that makes you feel like, Okay, Yeah, They're, They're liking it. And in this, You're not saying you're not offering it there just to be liked, Or just so that they relax, Like you're welcoming them into this journey. So for me, This experience of, Of coming to, To understand that I don't always know what's going on for someone, Someone might come up to us afterwards with some incredibly powerful experience or reflection or realization, Awakening. And I could have looked at them and thought, Wow, They're just, You know, Trying to get through this or something. And I think that really showed me that everyone's on their own internal journey. Even when we play folk songs, Sometimes like we'll be sharing these vulnerable songs and people's faces are like, Like torture. Yeah. You're just like, Oh gosh, What's, But then, But the really they're, They're just in some relationship with their own emotions. And, You know, Sometimes when we're really in the moment, We're not being aware of how we look and how we're projecting out to someone else. So I guess that's been a learning for me to, To release that and to know that, Like, We say this a lot, But we're all like our own instrument in the world. We all carry our life experiences, Our stories, And the way that this sound, This tone, This frequency, This mantra we sing, This song that we play resonates in you is going to be different. Like the tallest tree is a song that meets people in just this multiplicity of ways with their memories, With their life experiences, With what that evokes in them from one moment to the other. And so I think there's something really, Really beautiful about that. And the, The releasing of, Of kind of knowing how it's, How it's meeting someone. And it's also kind of comical in the sound bath space sometimes where, You know, You're still a human doing it and just making that shift from performance where you get feedback to no feedback. It was an adjustment. No, That's a, I agree completely. Like Nathan was saying, I think, You know, It's part of it is our expectations for the number of years that we've been doing that, You know, In the old world for me, You go to a concert, The song is over, The symphony is over and everybody claps, Right? Which is great. And that's our expectation based on that experience. I can't, I wish I could tell you, I don't have enough, I don't know enough people with enough fingers and toes to describe the number of folks who listen to something like, And they make a comment and they say, You know what? I think that was probably really good, But I can't tell you for sure because I didn't fell asleep before it was over. And, You know, Years and years past, I would, I would relate that to old friends that I'm still in touch with, Classical or academic world. And they'd say, Are you kidding me? How insulting? And I said, Man, You don't, You don't get it. And it's not, I'm, I'm there for them. They received a benefit from something I've done and that's enough. So it is expectation. And the funny thing is that in the sound bath, You not only have people not reacting, You have people falling asleep sometimes even before they started playing the crystal balls, Because you are doing some kind of relaxation at the beginning and you can feel them. So it's deeper than, Right Aida, It's deeper than, Than just not having a reaction. They are sleeping and now we need to trust that they are believing in everything that they are receiving, All the vibration they are receiving, And also the state in which they feel when they wake up, Because sometimes they don't want to wake up after the sound bath. We need to kind of force the moment in a subtle way. So it's very interesting. Corey? Well, I wanted to kind of distinguish these, These two, There's kind of two modes, Maybe that, That we're all sharing and can differentiate of kind of this healing offering. Right. And so one is, And I'm seeing some of the comments about like what frequencies are good for this or that, Like a migraine, Sound therapy and light therapy. And that's really what got me into the creative mode is seeing that there's actual science that shows that, For example, Like 40 Hertz gamma can help one with Alzheimer's or some of the, You know, More problematic tendencies of brain inflammation, Things like that. And so we can apply kind of this mono-frequency method to address our state and to help induce physiological state change that may provide some healing benefit. But there's also like James is talking and wakes and Ada said so beautifully, Like there's also a journey aspect, Right? That a whole piece, A whole composition composed of many different frequencies. I mean, Anybody who's been to a sound bath and as soon as they get the gong out, Right. And suddenly it hits a different part of yourself that just isn't touched by anything else that music can offer because it's just so wild and sometimes dissonant and just reaches deep down within beyond our typical conscious mind to touch something that needed to be touched or seen. So I think there's these two different modes and they both have very different means of healing, But also incredibly both valid. I just want to jump in response to that, Corey. I think I was hoping to kind of have this conversation with the different teachers here, But there's such an interesting tension in the sound healing space around this very like prescriptive approach to sound healing and a more organic, Artistic, Intuitive approach. And I don't know, Sometimes we'll have people like, Like once someone reached out to us and they were like, How are your instruments tuned? Like, Are they, Are they tuned in this way versus that way? And like, I heard it was bad to, To, You know, Listen to music in this tuning. And for me, I have a little bit of a like prickliness around the like over-prescription that people want to apply, Like this tone for this exact thing, Or like this note for this exact chakra. I don't know if it, It feels like it taps into that desire, Like of, Yeah, If I could just, You know, Have the magic pill, Then I could be fixed when I feel like it's a much more holistic thing, This conversation with ourselves of noticing what resonates with us. And I, I, I'm sure I know that there's, You know, Real science out there around different things, And there's so much more to be explored. But I find that sometimes in this space, People want to really go to like one plus one equals two. And that's, If I know that, Then I can cure that or fix that. And at least for us in our style of sound healing, We're like super not in that space, One, Because we don't have all of that information. But two, I just feel like my, My instinct is that it's just so much more complex. So I'd love to open up that conversation about these two modes and what's possible and kind of this desire for a science that isn't totally there. It hasn't been done fully, But there are some things that lead us in and this desire of the human mind to want solutions. So chime in, Let's, Let's go there. Well, I'm going to chime in because I love science and I love music. And my dad was a music teacher. And I think for me, I like it because other people do need it because I'm very intuitive, But people will say, But how do you know? And I'm like, I can't tell you how I know, But I know, Right. And I think that music brings a lot of that forth, But I do think that people want to see that. And I also think, Has anybody ever been to a bad sound bath? Susie has, Melanie has, Right? So I don't know if it's the science of it or what, But I think sometimes people who are giving sound baths aren't aware that they're giving a bad sound bath because the tension they're creating is not so great for the receiver. And they're not even sure, I think that how they're creating that tension. And so I don't know if that's the science part of it, Or just, It's more than intuition. Some, For a lot of people, I've been noticing it happening a lot more. And I think it's because a lot more people are coming into the sound bath space. And so that's for me where I'm like, Where is this weaving, Right? Does this person need a little training or a little more intuition? And you guys are all shaking your heads. Yes. Both. And I can honestly say this because sound is my go-to for meditating, For healing, For everything. I'm not really listening to other types of things other than sound baths. Yeah. It's really interesting to me. It has been in doing what I've been doing lately. The prescriptive dimension, I can appreciate it immensely. I just, Like I said, I don't have enough information. I feel like some days I want to know more and some days I don't. But from my personal approach, I really have found that what seems to accomplish what I want to accomplish ultimately is supportive of the listener and an additional presence. I found myself developing this technique where, Again, It's about expectations. In classical music, You developed a melody or a theme, If you will. And it goes somewhere. It develops. It evolves. What I'm doing more often than not, I'll have these little snippets, Proto-melodies. And they don't go anywhere. But they do interweave with other little snippets. And as a listener, You're drawn to this. Then you're drawn to the sound. And you want to follow them all, But you can't. And what ultimately happens is you get tired. And that helps clear out the monkey mind. You're present. And you're listening to this thing, Which is sort of like a watercolor wash, Where you're just washing over what you've done again and again, Each time in a different way. And each time these little proto-things relate to each other. And it's too much to consume. And I found that over time, A listener will, After, Say, 15 minutes, Be focused. After an hour, Likely they'll be asleep. But to me, I'm reluctant to say that's a more organic approach. That just seems to work for me. And I don't want to sound like I'm magic frequency. I want to believe in it. I just don't. I just want to make a distinction, Too. And I said, Prescriptive. It wasn't around whether someone's trained or kind of has the self-awareness about how to use their tools or hold the space, But more about what James was saying there at the end. This note has this effect or this hurts has this effect. That's kind of what I mean by prescriptive. If we could break music down into pill form or something. And I'm also not saying that there isn't anything to that. It's just that it does feel like these different tracks. And sometimes the way people want to latch onto that is really strong because it feels like, Oh, I can make sense of it. And because I think there's so many different ways that we use sound healing, Like we sing a lot. Some people are like really annoyed that we sing and we use words and they're expecting the sound healing music to be like, I don't want to hear words or I don't. But for us, We're using mantra where we have this one other people want ambient. And so I think that maybe it's just a conversation with so many layers about these different approaches. But I wanted to make that distinction on prescriptive as in not about whether someone's trained or not, Or is able to hold that space. And that's not what I meant. I'm sorry, Susie. I'm going to do one second. I don't feel like actually people have to be trained in anything because sometimes people just come to it and they know it. And then someone did ask in the chat, Like, Is it bad because of some association that you've had? But no, Because I love me. It's bad because for me, Somebody else might be loving it. You know what I mean? Like we all, I don't love certain types of music because to me, It's to whatever Susie. Yeah. I think that's a great conversation. It always leaves me curious too. So I'm happy you brought it up. I actually think we're, We're kind of in this like parallel universe in a sense where we have sign know what do not know what is taking. There are a few studies that exist that say a certain sound can kill a cure cell. But when people come to my space, That a whole day I have to say, And I've said in the chat already, No one side totally, You know, So what frequency she was going to be so different. You're at. I also saw someone, They were listening to names. Sorry. At this time mentioned that they're listening to track that we had certain go back to, Then they went back to it and it was fine. So it's this constant flow. So to answer it bluntly, No, I don't think one size fits all what's going to, That's when we do our heart. What's tuning for us today. How is it? And I always like to invite people to not take it so serious and just find the fun with it. I think that's following what Susie is saying. If we go back to the fact that music is emotion and it's in each emotion has a frequency. So if we are vibrating in a certain motion, We might relate specific music frequency, For example, Or even song. It'd be a song. It doesn't happen. I've believed bringing awareness to our, Uh, Our emotions, Especially, And understanding what is the music I need at this point, Because for example, Even for Alzheimer, Even for specific things, Bringing specific musics, Specific songs, They can really support on healing on recovery. So many, Um, On creating good memories from specific things, Especially when we associate a song to a specific moment, Um, That can be really deep. So I will bring the emotional part from music. If we feel music, We are being emotional in some way, Empathic emotions, Vibration, Frequency, Anybody else for each I'm in. Okay. Since I've been invoked, I'll invoke the Buddha, Which is, Yeah, We, We should never cling right. To a, To a conceptual framework that says this and not that or whatever, Right. That I agree with everyone that they're just two different modes of medicine. Sometimes an acute pill or surgery is the right intervention. Sometimes it's the preventative sense of cleansing our energy fields and cleansing our emotions by processing them and seeing them. And, Um, So I think clinging to one of the others is not the right approach. It is a, It is a both hand I'm on the prescriptive side, Just because I enjoy what science brings to the equation that we know, You know, That a certain frequency will help somebody with Alzheimer's is helpful, Right? Because if they actually have that disease, We have, You know, For the forties, 40 Hertz gamma frequency, There's like 10 studies, You know, A large one going on in MIT that shows it prevents the, The buildup of the tau protein and the beta amyloid plaques. Like, Wow, That's amazing that like sound can do that or frequency can do that. That's great. And you can also get some great benefits from an entire sound bath that doesn't hold any architecture that says we have to hit certain tones or frequencies. And I especially agree with the chakra idea that, That, That is a specific tone that activates a chakra. No, No, There's so much about the emotions moving through that, That work with the chakra so much more, I think than just a simple tone. So, So I just encourage everyone to play on both sides and to not stick to one or the other as a, This is the right way to do it. Do you know, Corey, How in that study with the Alzheimer's, Like, How are they delivering that frequency? Like how is someone in the study experiencing that? Yeah, There's two different modes. They do, Well, Three, Actually. There's one study just using direct impulse to brain using electrical impulses. There's also one that uses light, So flashing light at 40 Hertz and then repeating sound that is, It is one of the most agitating sounds you'll ever hear. You'll hear it. And it's like, It's agitating to your system. You don't want to listen to it, But you can feel your brain changing into a completely different state or mode of functioning that allegedly cleanses the brain. So there's a lot we don't understand about that because it can be music that is completely irritating to our systems and yet acts as medicine. So, So I won't pretend to, To know why, You know, These things work. I just know that, That they do. And if they're proven out, Then let's, Let's, Let's try it. I think that's true. And I think Corey, What you said really resonated with people about playing on both sides, But also I think if you're going to listen to something just like everything, You should enjoy it. And if you're not enjoying it, Stop listening to it. That's how I feel. Anyway. I cannot believe it's been an hour that has gone by so fast, And this has been amazing. So I would love it if everybody could just share a little bit about what's the best way that we can all support each other. And you can just feel free to unmute. You don't have to raise your hand. I guess I'll start and just say, Thank you so much again, Melanie and Violet and everybody who joined us today to walk a little bit further into what healing means. And I think we had some amazing things got to reckon with today. I'm found on Inside Timer. I do a lot of prescriptive state changes. So if you're in pain or have a headache or whatever, Then I have something that, That might benefit. And I'm doing a sound bath actually tonight at seven o'clock for those who are. Nobody else wants to tell how they can be supported. All right. I'll jump in. Thank you everyone just for hosting and for being here with us. It's really in this community. For me, You can check out Insight in whatever way. Feel free to reach out. And not to pressure Susie. I don't like to pressure people. That's a good one. Well, As for me, I mean, I know, And I'm incredibly grateful to have known the success, That floating track. I don't say this other than just being good and trying not to be ego-based. I think I have a lot of stuff, Which is better. It just doesn't get listened to. There are various reasons, The publisher base. And so the number of works on the platform. So I don't know how to phrase it as a real request. I know that we all have a lot of other works than our most popular that we're very happy with and very proud of and receive this from those as though, I don't know how we would love to have people. I think maybe if they go to your profile and just every day, Listen to one and come back the next day and listen to another. And, You know, Wow. That way they can hear everything that you have to offer, Which is a lot and all amazing. And you're right. You have a lot there. I mean, I think it's all great, But it helps me a lot. We have our page here as well with lots of great music. And we have a sound bath tomorrow. We do. It's going to be very much in line, A nervous system regulating. We're not going to go into the super tense realm that sometimes we journey into, To explore certain realms of emotion. We're going to really try to keep it very soothing after this week and just peaceful. So we hope you'll join us where we're based in Washington state. Normally we're in Krakow, Poland right now. So our times are a bit different. So we, If you're in North America, That's 10, 11, 12, You know, It starts 10 Pacific and in Europe, It's starts seven. We have some premium, I would say for us too, Like we have some premium tracks and, You know, The premium and the new stuff don't get as many plays and that would be cool. And we have longer sound baths that are there. If you want to explore our style of sound baths using singing and mantra and hope we get to do more of this together. And what time zone are you on? Someone just asked what your time zone is. We're in Central European time right now. And I just want to clarify, Because a lot of people ask Corey, Your sound bath is 10 PM Eastern time tonight and wakes yours is tomorrow at what time? Tomorrow at 10 AM Pacific or 7 PM Central European time. So depending where you are. Well, I also have lives tomorrow. I usually have every two weeks on Monday, I do a tuning for a group session where people can experience the vibration. And I also have a sound bath, Usually every new moon or full moon. I also have those two lives. I have on my InsideTimer page, Get to know more. And I also have my full album, Relaxing Penetrations available free here on InsideTimer. So I have both instrumental songs, Piano songs and guided meditations in Portuguese, English language. So you can find candle glare or no music from that album, A conversation with different environments. So I welcome everyone to listen and also just share that it's so lovely. We have so wonderful energy. I was expecting us to jam in some way through our words and through our vibration. So it's really amazing, Melanie and Violety, The opportunity that you provide us and also to connect with people. For example, Susie that I know, It's a friend from great friends of mine. And they were telling me this week, You know, You need to see the page from Susie. And I was like, I'm going to be in the live with her. So, So beautiful how we connect and we create this mastermind. Thank you so much. Thank you for being here. Catherine wants to know how long you guys are going to be in Poland. We're here into the new year. So where we will be back home in mid-January. Okay, Thanks. Pammy Sue asked if James is the creator of floating? Yes. Your infamy. And someone else asked, James, If you have a playlist? Yeah, I have several. One of them is purely long play, Extended play, Meditative things. Another one is prayers. And also Violet has, You have the playlist floating that many. Yes, That's it. Hello. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah. I'm sorry. I was, I was setting my house on fire and I got distracted, But yes, I created a playlist with tracks that were made with floating in the background. And you can find that in my teacher's profile. We, We did a collaboration. He shared his music. We're doing that with weight, With wakes as well. And who else did we do it with? I know a blossom violet. We're going to do one with her. Yeah. I mentioned wakes. I'm still waiting for my track to be approved because inside timer has gotten really slow. We want that track. We have a playlist as well with those collaborations with the dream space track. So that's so cool to see the collaborations and co-creation. I love that. I love that. Yeah. Well, This has been amazing. Thank you everyone for spending the afternoon with us. Was that my cue? Melanie, My eyes are still burning. So I'm having trouble seeing you to the 250 minutes. I think you broke up a little, But I was saying that, I'm sorry. That was my, That was my cue that we're, We're done and my eyes are still burning. So thank you all of you for joining us. This was awesome today. What a great conversation too. I feel like I learned so much from everything that everybody had to offer. And thank you to the teachers. Thank you to the community and make sure you follow all of them. If you're not, Thank you everybody. Bye-bye.