The Transcendent Body Approach

Out of deep meditation, Premasudha has come up with The Transcendent Body Approach.
Understanding it helps us as we transform out of our ego.

One seeker experienced very deep pain around his ribs. This can be alarming. But if we understand that the seeker is feeling how much his conditioning restricts his heart's love or makes it hard to trust enough to take a deep breath, then he can witness the pain with equaminity, seeing it as the complex LEAVING.

When complexes are coming up to be released, we will also find this material in our thoughts.

But happily as the pain leaves,
we will witness our storylines being dissolved.

Does it sound too simple? Try it. This is exactly how Premasudha found her freedom, by noticing the aches in her body, and seeing the storylines that went with them.

This material is so simple that it often gets underestimated and dismissed. Understanding the Transcendent Body Approach makes spiritual growth much easier.

Speakers: Laura, Bhavani, Saskia

Transcript

First of all, Just calling for calling for grace. Amma's grace. The grace in your hearts, You guys, It's in your heart. The source of the grace is in your heart. It's not separate from you. It's coming through your heart right now. Right. And the most perfect we can ever be is just being on the journey, Willing to receive grace, Willing to do our best. That is 100% perfection. Please. Okay, So it is. And I was asking you about, Yeah, The opportunities to apply increased ethics, How you how you've done with it, You know? Okay. Okay, So yes, I have noticed some opportunities. They seem small, But I think they're like, For example, The paying the bus tickets, I have a tendency to, Like, Maybe pick the lower one or like, You know, The kid one or something like this. And I noticed myself, I was doing that. And then, You know, But when I pay with my card, I, It's easy, Right? You just tap and it does the proper thing. But then I lost my car. And then it was like, Okay, Well, And I still have that thing of, Oh, It's not a big deal. But I think maybe now it is a big deal for me. And so it feels like a struggle as well. And what else have I noticed? I've noticed kind of a lot of a lot of opportunities to, Like, Kind of go lower, Like with my, Don't know if this is the ethics, But it's like, Kind of like, With family or stuff to go a little bit lower, Like to kind of go with them, Versus stepping back a bit and then trying to, Or not trying to, But just kind of seeing the situation, Rather than jumping in and being very, Like, Maybe angry, Because it feels like when I do that, I just kind of, There's no winning. And then I feel really bad. And then I, Things don't get solved. Okay, Hold on. So we're talking about bus tickets. No, No, No, No, No, No, No. It's all good. This is what we do when stuff's close to the bone. So did you manage to pay more the full price on the bus tickets? Yes, But it was kind of like with support, Like, Because my friend was like, Oh, You made a mistake. And then I and it really hit me that, Like, And I was like, Oh, Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. So you can see how entrenched the trickiness is. Right? Yeah. It's okay. It's okay. Just seeing it, You guys, This is witnessing, Just seeing it. If you could just see it, That will reduce the trickiness. If you go out guilty about it, That it, It will actually increase the trickiness. Yeah, I know this is hard for you, Corinne. I know. I know this whole thing around ethics is just, I mean, I know you didn't get taught it as a kid. Yeah. Yeah. But you can't get anywhere spiritually without ethics. Yeah. Yes. It's okay. Sweet, Sweet. Okay. We've all got blind spots. You know, You know, You've got a good heart in there. This is just your blind spots. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I've been trying to tell myself that because I noticed that I get very, Like, If I make a decision or do something, And that's not like, What I feel is like, Maybe what I would do, What you would do, I get very, Like, I beat myself up. And so I've tried to, Or well, Like, What I don't think is maybe the, What I would like to do. I get a little bit like, Oh, You're bad. You're very, Very bad. You're, You're staying in injured child. And you see, I'm wanting you to, You know, Because you're 40. I'm wanting you to be an adult. Yes. It's more like, If you really get, I mean, It's nothing to do in a way with Pramasutra. It's, It's just, It's, It's, You know, Do you want to, To wake up this life? Or do you want to get the same crap next life? Heavier. Karin, I really want you to realize this. What we don't do, What we don't face and clear, Will get heavier next life. Yeah. It's kind of like you make an executive decision about your own life. You look like you're going to be like shot, You know, Like the firing squad, You know? I know I'm not going to be shot. I know it's safe. Just, You know, Just be with it, Sweetie. It's your modus operandi is to beat yourself up, Right? Yeah. Yeah. But all this is like your ego's trick to keep you not taking responsibility for your life, You know? Yes. Yeah. It's okay. Okay, Sweet, Sweet. Okay. Okay, Well, Look, Try again. Just have another try at dealing with all this. Okay. You guys, Can all of you guys, All of you guys get scared, Or a lot of you get scared of me. And I'm wanting you to see, And Karin, You see how much it doesn't work? Like, It doesn't, There's no point. There's no point being scared of premisuda. It's just to remember that, You know, It's whether you want to wake up or not. And if you don't want to wake up, You will get the same homework, But you'll get increased homework next life. You know, Premisuda had a very arid life, The life before this one. I was a spinster, And it was very dry kind of life. And I could feel this life, How much I didn't want a life like that. It was visceral. And it's part of why I've been so adventurous, Because I had such a bad taste about this very dry, Safe life. I was rich again. I was the daughter, I was the heiress of this, You know, Kind of a rich guy in England. We lived in a house on the hill. Actually, I met my maid here at the ashram. I'm not kidding you. My lady's maid. And she wanted to work with me, And we were working. And all of a sudden, I was getting this, You were my maid, You were my, And she said, Was this the brick house on the hill? Yes. That's how real it all is, You guys. Yeah. So Corinne, Just have another go. I mean, Just, Just even, You know, Even one small step, One little victory, You know, Hold on to that. Okay. These little victories, You hold on and you fan the flame of them. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay, Blessing. Yeah. There's a couple of things I wanted to talk about. You guys, The reason I, I so want you to understand yourselves, Because if you don't understand yourself, It means that you don't know how to sort of grab the, The ring, Grab hold to be able to climb the mountain. You understand? Like, You really can't climb the mountain if you don't understand yourself. There is one dear one who has trouble with, Who tends to run away from teachers and tends to get uncomfortable in the ashram. And so, You know, He leaves. But the thing, The reason he does this is because when he was growing up, He was not validated. He was not valued for who he was at all. So, You know, When he comes to the ashram, His mind starts going, Ooh, Not allowed, Not allowed, Not allowed. And lots of times he'll find an excuse not to, You know, I might have to nag him to come for a session. You see? Because his ego will try to, It's the ego, Well, I'm a big spiritual student, But I sure avoid premasuda. Because this is what we're like. And that, You see, It's really important to understand yourself so that you just don't flow along with what your ego is saying, With what your mind is saying. Because at the ashram, There will always be a lot of reasons to leave it. Like Big Swami was talking about, You know, Actually Amma has said that people at the ashram either hide or run. Or once in a while, Somebody faces the battle that will occur at the ashram. Like your, Your big ego battle, If you live here, Will, Will manifest here. And it will be your worst nightmare. And, You know, So people hide in the room, Or they, They leave the ashram. Or the other thing, The hero, Hero's journey, You let it all get to a fever pitch. And then it reverses. It reverses, You guys. And it will all go away. It will just dissipate. The whole battleground. And, You know, This is what premasuda experienced. I had people going after me, Seriously. In fact, I was at an ashram, I think I told you I was at a retreat in the US. And this woman decided that I was doing therapy when I was doing massage. You know, I had my massage ticket, That I was doing therapy. She got really upset. And she got the ashram lawyer out to speak to me about it. It was just off the wall. And all I was saying to people was, Think about Amma. Listen to Amma. This was my therapy that I was doing. The odd words. Remember, Remember what Amma says? It was no therapy at all. And it got to an absolute fever pitch with this lawyer. But there are also stuff that happened here. So this is what I want you to understand. The journey can be uncomfortable, But it's very simple. And if you know the structure of the journey, If you know the structure of it, You don't have to take it so seriously. So one of the things, You know, With premasuda was, You know, My parents, I wasn't wanted at birth. Now this has happened. This is something I have faced over and over and over again. But it's like, Premasuda is very conscious of it. I'm losing you guys. You're all starting to move. It's like, Yeah, I mean, I know. We don't want to have to do this journey. We just want to be spiritual. We want to be in peace, And we want miraculous healing talents, But we want to keep our egos. And this is where the spiritual journey has gone off through all the centuries. It's where religiosity has come from, Spiritual corruption from this. You know, It's very freeing what I'm telling you, Because if you understand this, Then if, You know, You start going through these difficulties, You can see it, And you won't take it so seriously. Yeah. You know, You guys, Most of you have ama. So, You know, A little, You can stand a little bit of being shaken up by premasuda, Because, You know, You get to go for hugs from mama and everything. It's like you're not unsupported here. I mean, You're, You know, It's a wonderful situation. You get a little bit of, You know, Being catalyzed by premasuda. And because, You know, Really, There's still a lot of people who are walking around, You know, Maybe the master, I'm not fully understanding the journey. I think, You know, The number of people who actually do the journey in a way that I understand is about 10% of all spiritual thinkers. But then those 10% don't have to, You know, Can cycle off this life or have a much easier time next time. Does anybody have any questions at all? Comments? This is Scott. I just want to say for all beings that have anything to do with me getting out of the old people's home. Thank you. Sorry, I couldn't hear that. What was that? Can you repeat that? It's one of the report that my friends moved me out of the old people's home into a a small house. Oh, Good. Do you feel better there? $164 a day less taken out of my assets better. Yes. Good. Good. Does anybody got any questions? Hi, Bram. This is Laura. Hi, I'm grateful that Scott just spoke and what you just said about things getting to a fever pitch. I got a very strong feeling and I took it. Well, I got a very strong feeling that won't go away. That I need to move back in with my mom. And to move back into that situation would be my worst nightmare. Like you said, But maybe that's where I'm supposed to transcend. I don't know. That's why I need to ask you. Why would you move back? Because my family, My sisters want me to because I'm operating at a deficit here, A financial deficit. But I have enough to stay here for a year. And I don't want to avoid opportunities to grow. And that would be a big one. Well, So if you live more than a year, You're going to run out of money. Is that is that what you're saying? Yeah. Well, I guess the universe is steering you back to your mom's then. It's kind of like, You know, You can't really argue with that, Laura. No. I keep thinking of what you said. Stop telling the universe what to do. I don't want to be here another year. That's the truth. Yeah, But you might be, Sweetie. Yeah. Well, Again, I mean, I think that's kind of just something that's obvious maybe to do. Sweetie, I mean, I know it's really difficult. You've got this brain disturbance. So it's just tough, Sweetie. It's tough. What it does is I don't trust anything I think or feel. And I check something out with you, And I was way out. Sorry, And you check something out with me and what? Something I felt very strongly, And I turned out I was way off. I was totally wrong. Oh, Like about Amma? Yeah. Laura felt like Amma was going to leave the planet. I don't feel that, But, You know, Maybe it's true, You know? But sometimes we just have fears, Sweetie. It's just fear. Yeah. It's just fear. A lot of people have told me at different times they felt Amma was going to leave the planet very soon. I have heard this a hundred times from people. I think it's just anxiety. I think she's here for a while. Okay. Yeah. I'm not that crazy. Well, Let me know what you decide to do. I feel like the satsang's a little lost. I feel like you guys, The heart of it, We're getting a little lost. It's like it's as if you got scared with what I was talking about with the ashram. Like, This is part of working with you guys. You get scared. It's like, Ew, You guys. I have to watch, Like, What I say. Because it's sort of like you go, Oh no, Oh no. And it's like, Because the spiritual journey is like the law of the jungle. It is. Come on. I mean, You're all tough, You guys. You're all tough. Like, You're all, Like, Strong people, You know, Who want to make a difference. So what's this, Oh, Oh, Oh, Don't scare me, Pramasutra. And I'm like, Go find another teacher. What's the matter with you? This is the hardest training possible. Come on. And some of the stuff, I mean, I'm just, This stuff gets talked about at the ashram as well. It's not like, I'm not saying, I mean, Big Swami was talking about this yesterday. But what happens in the ashram? Yeah. I want you guys to be braver, Please. Yeah, Really, If you're going to come, You know, This is, You can't have it both ways. I mean, Some of you, You know, The egos will go like, Oh, I'm doing self-realizing training. This is the hardest training possible. I'm so great. And it's like, Oh, But don't scare me, Pramasutra. And it's like, Hello, You guys. I'm wanting to help you. Yeah. You're smiling. You can see how crazy it is. Like, What is this? Yeah. I mean, This is a very friendly, Supportive, Self-realizing training already. And you guys have Amma. What are you worried about? Pramasutra did it before I knew Amma. I mean, You know, I didn't, I don't know how far I got before I met Amma, But I was on track for it. Is there anything that you guys want Pramasutra to talk about? I still, I can't really find your heart today. And, You know, We've had a bit of a break. Hi, Pramasutra. Saskia here. Saskia, Yes. Before you were talking about that you weren't wanted as a child and that you were very conscious of that. And I was very interested in that. And then you stopped. And I was wondering if you could continue there. Okay. So, You guys, When a person wakes up, They step back from their conditioning, And they really see in stark relief what happened to them. And they feel it very, Very deeply. It's not like a theoretical story. They feel the cost of their conditioning. They feel how far from truth they are. Okay. And then, Then you start to unwind it. So, One of the things that was the hardest for me was this, That when I got down to it, My parents hadn't wanted me, I could feel it in my body. And it would replay over and over and over, Wherever I went. It is actually, I think it is one of the cruelest things we could do to a kid, Is not want them. Because it imprints them, It imprints. You guys, If you get down to how your conditioning is operating, You see, Most of us stay numb to it. But as you awaken, You feel the subtleties of what happened to you. And it's more than subtleties there. It's, It's your weave of your lived reality. So, You know, Pramasutra would work really hard at being accepted. That was my modus operandi all through high school. And, You know, It was, I mean, It worked in high school, But beyond high school, It didn't work so well. Because Pramasutra was just herself. I couldn't really be anything other than myself. Even, You know, It even surfaced in Germany, When I came to Germany for last visit, That feeling of not being wanted. Yeah. And always, I would witness it. And, You know, I would focus on compassion for myself. And when I say focus on compassion, You guys, I would be, That would be a lived life thing. I would be holding on to that for dear life, Compassion for myself, Not holding on to anything else, Just this self-compassion. And then what happened was, Instead of being, Well, First of all, Wisdom appeared. You're doing this, This is how you get wisdom. Wisdom built. And then as more of me became more in truth, I started getting treated very differently. Right. So, It changed completely. So, It was like a whole other life. I'm really glad you asked this question. And I know that you're countering your conditioning at a very deep level. Like, I know that you're really working very deeply, Saskia. Yeah. You know, Saskia, There is a wonderful thing that happened to her. And again, It's part of where I want you guys to look at your experience. Saskia was feeling some grief with remembering some other lives and stuff going on in this life. Anyway, A hummingbird flew in to her house and, You know, It wouldn't leave. And she put, She looked them up and found that they can lose their strength very quickly. So, She made some sugar water and was trying to direct it to the window, You know, To the door, Open window. And she got nowhere. And the hummingbird finally, And she prayed, Right? Prayed to Amma. And the hummingbird flew into a cupboard and sat on the edge of a pot. And Saskia was praying really hard through all of that. And she felt that the hummingbird wanted her to carry it to the outside. So, She did. She picked up this pot and the hummingbird just sat there and was brought to the outside. Hummingbirds are a symbol of joy, You guys. See, This is the importance of looking at our experience. And when I told Saskia that, You were like, You were lifted, Right? It was like, It gave value to your experience. Like, It helped you value your experience. You guys, This is what I'm wanting you to do. Value your experience. Look at it. And, You know, You can look up the spiritual meanings, You know, With AI. You just go Google the symbolic meanings of things. And it can enrich your experience. But this whole thing with the hummingbird, I mean, When you phoned for help and they all said, Oh, It's going to die, Probably. I mean, You got all this downer information. Oh, It's going to die. They die. Or, You know, You have to hire people, $500 for them to remove this hummingbird, You know. And you just kept praying and following. And you removed the hummingbird. I mean, The hummingbird let you help it. Like, That was so in alignment, Saskia. And you see, Saskia needed my witnessing to point this out. Because it, I don't know what, How you've been processing it, What you've been saying to yourself about it. But it wasn't, What, What had you thought about it? About the hummingbird? I well, When I googled it, I was reading the symbol of joy. So I knew that. And I was really, Really happy. I, It flew out there. It just made me happy. However, Getting that information from you made it, It was deeper than it hit me deeper on a deeper level. Yeah. You know, Saskia, You, You stayed with it. And you freed the hummingbird. Like you guys, This stuff is really important on the journey. It's like, These are big events. You trust, You trust yourself, You pray about something and you take action. Yeah. I want you to realize your, Your lives are, Are, Are just so, It's like gold. All the events of your lives, You guys, It's just gold. It's so precious. Right. And we get these challenges woven right into our days. And Saskia is very open to receiving love from me at this point. Unconditional love. It's good. It's so funny. We had a, We, You know, For the first little bit, We had some real trouble, But then there's big breakthrough and Saskia really receives it. You see, I'm wanting you guys to, To get that you're, That you're the God, You're the agent, You're the key, You're the key to your life. You are the key to your life. You know, You will find the key in yourself. Somebody can point to it. But it will be you finding the key inside and maybe through some, An unhappy day or two where you're brought down. This is, Saskia is willing to go through unhappy days. And I'm not promoting unhappiness, But you guys, When we're clearing our ego, We are not happy. Okay. It's just like when we're clearing our ego, Amma will not be our friend. She says this. She cannot be the friend when we're clearing, When, You know, When she's clearing our ego. So, You know, So if you're unhappy, If you go like, Okay, Please show me, Amma, The creator, Please show me what I need to learn. Or, You know, Like go with it, Flow with it. Don't argue, Don't get scared. Flow with it. Let the unhappiness take you to your step forward. That's the whole point, You guys. I've said this a million times. The soul communicates by pain. Okay. Well, You know, It also communicates through joy. But before we can learn through joy, We have to clear our pain enough that we can learn through joy. So, First of all, We will be brought into pain. So, Get that. Your soul is wanting you to understand something, A shift. You know, I remember once lying down on my bed, Like walking around for like two days, Just in this feeling really crummy. And I finally laid down on my bed and I realized that I had no idea how to go forward. And just realizing that I had no idea how to go forward was my step forward. Yeah. It's paying attention to these feelings and subtleties that most times we want to run from. You're, You know, All of you are getting a lot better. You're getting a lot better than when I first, When we first started. You're getting a lot braver. And I'm not promoting pain, You guys, But I just see so much of people wanting the journey without wanting to deal. And it's a very, You know, Being on the journey is, It's vulnerable. It's vulnerable and you're, You're just, You, It's like you're back to being a little child. In fact, To be on the journey, Really, You will feel feelings that, Exactly what you felt as a child. As the ego clears, As you come out of the ego, You will feel the same kind of crap, The same pain, As you're leaving it behind. It's easy to talk, You know, Pretty words in the journey and, And speak about it intellectually, But that doesn't really help people learn how to open up. Evolve. But some of you really need to look at yourselves and decide what you want. Right. Okay, Good. It's just very gentle. You guys, It's very gentle. What do you want? Because if you make the decision that you really want to grow, If you make it like in a deep place, Then it's done. And then you just grow. You don't keep going through this ambivalence over and over again. That's what some of you, You know, I think, You know, Think about praying to over, To be brought through your ambivalence about spiritual growth. I think that would be a very powerful prayer for you guys. You see, Lots of times we skip over the spot that we need to pray from. So, You know, If one is ambivalent, Lots of times we just ignore that and just try to keep doing the journey. Whereas, You know, Just admit the ambivalence, Embrace it, Think about it, Pray about it. It's very human to be ambivalent. But you see, Lots of students will hold on to the teacher and want the teacher to love them. But the thing is that you guys, If you're not loving yourselves or you're not wanting to love yourselves, It doesn't matter whether your teacher loves you or not. It doesn't. Because you won't really receive it. You see, You can only receive the love of your teacher if you're willing to love yourselves. Okay, Good. This is coming to the heart. This is coming to the heart of the satsang. This has been a hard satsang. We're coming to the heart. It's around the being willing to love yourselves and just be with the truth of yourselves. Yeah, And if you're ambivalent, Pray about it. But don't ignore it and then try to be a good spiritual student. It's not a smart thing to do. I had, As you said, Pain. It's like the soul is communicating through your body. That's what I understood. I had a quite painful, Mostly physically painful situation this week. I got some really painful pain in my ribs and I couldn't walk. I was not able to move. And it was so painful that when I went to somewhere, Sometimes I felt like something struck me down and I need to kneel on the earth because there was this lightning pain coming through. Your ribs? Yeah, It was my ribs. Sorry, What did you say the last bit? It started in the back of my ribs, On the back side, And then came also the next day into the front, The left side. And it was one of the most painful, Physically most painful situations I can remember. I felt so immobile. And sometimes I thought like, Okay, What is it? What is the meaning of it? Does it matter or is it just an experience? No, No, No, No. I think it matters because I think if you know what it is, It can reduce fear and it gives you a handle on staying present with it and allowing it to clear. And you know what? I'm not surprised that you've got this excruciating pain. It makes total sense to me. So, The ribs. You know, That's where we, Our lungs, Right? And lungs, We take a deep breath and our ribs expand, Right? Take a deep breath of trust in life and our lungs expand. But in your case, You're bumping up against the conditioning of the amount of trust that you were allowed in your family, You know, In the emotional climate. Trust in my family. No, No, No. Trust in life. The issue is trust in life, Trusting. I mean, It's so, And it's around the heart too, You know? Yeah, The left side. Yeah, And the feminine side. The feminine side. So, It's like you opening to allow more feeling, More trust on your feminine. You've just come back to see Maxi, Right? Yes, It was like one day after. Of course, Of course. So, It's all coming up to be cleared so that you can sink into allowing more love of yourself and more love of Maxi and more just trust in life, Robert. And the, You know, It's such a great question. Thank you. Because this is the heart of what I teach, Make the journey easier for you all. Okay, So this kind of, And I can feel the rigidity of it. It's, It'll be in your thoughts too. This, Like the distrust and the rigidity, Because I can feel the rigidity. It will be coming up in your thoughts. So, If you can notice that and keep making more, You know, For more trust to develop, Or remember the snake and the rope story, You guys, I've told you, Right? It's a rope. It's not a snake. We get taught that it's a snake. So, We, Life is dangerous. Love is dangerous. Yeah. But it's a rope. You can relax. Right. And this is the heart of what you're wanting in your journey, Robert, Is to relax into more trust of life, More trust of yourself. Right. So, How do you feel as I'm speaking? And be very, Very honest, Okay? There's no right or wrong answer. I haven't thought about the trust in life yet. Mostly it was more like, Okay, So something I cannot carry or something, My, It felt like more of my wings are like, Kind of like broken. So, It was more about that. So, The trust. Your wings are broken? Wings are broken? Yeah. I mean, It felt like, Yeah. And, And trust. That's the same thing. This is, This is the thing that breaks your wings, Is the, You know, Not wanting to expand into more trust. So, I can feel this disconnect between us as we're talking. It's like, Yeah, I can feel it. Yeah. It's sort of like, You know, Robert, All this came through me going through excruciating pain and seeing the connections between things. So, You know, Coming to this speech from like 20 year experience of my body screaming. And what it meant. But part of you is really scared to let down your guard. I mean, This, This whole pain, I mean, Your ego is like, Don't do it, Man. Don't do it, Robert. Do it. You're going to get, You know, Lapsed. You're going to get like, Stop. Don't do it. You see, It's already coming up to be cleared. Like, It's already in process. If you've got the pain like this, It's clearing. Do you understand this? Yeah, I understand. It's still in the process. I mean, On the other hand, I'm really, Really happy today because it's the first day I can move almost freely again. And on the other hand, It was like, I mean, It was like a new experience because so much pain in short amount of time. Oh, It can be horrifying. Yeah. Yeah. So definitely. Yeah. That's the thing. I mean, I don't wish myself again to be, So that should happen. Like, Not should happen. I don't want it to happen again. But on the other hand, I know that it's, It can be any time. And I think you're starting to battle it. I mean, Just, You know, I don't see it happening again. I mean, If you, If that excruciating pain has diminished, It's because the whole complex is loosening. I don't see it coming back. Robert. Notice how you're going. Notice this. Oh, It's going to come back. This is exactly what keeps your ribs rigid. You understand that is your thought process that I was talking about. The rigidity of this, Of trying to arm yourself against life is there in your thought process of even thinking, Oh, What if it comes back? Yeah. That's like where my God is up. Yes. Okay. Good. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for seeing it. When you see it, You become freer. Just seeing that you guys, This is taking responsibility. You see the connection between your thought process and the part of your body that's hurting. You know, This, We may be actually bumping up you guys to this more of this training, Because this is the heart of what I teach. It's sort of, It's silly that the body stuff isn't really brought up more in, In the satsangs, Because it is, It is your ticket to freedom. Yeah. You know, Robert, My dad had such rigid ribs that the physiotherapist thought that he had broken them and that they'd healed up in, You know, In a more rigid form, But he'd never broken his ribs. It was just this tight control. So it's fantastic that at 30 years old, You're unlocking this door. J Ma, Truly, Congratulations. J Ma, Really? No, Really. Because when you make these changes in your body, They're permanent. You can never go back. You will never go back to the way you were. You can't, Because you've changed cellularly. Your molecules or atoms have changed. You've let unconditional love in, And at the ashram, And so this old conditioning can no longer stay the way it is, And it's, The ego is screaming as it leaves, You know. I mean, The deep pain is part of the ego saying, Don't, Don't, Don't do this. Yeah. You see, It's, It's, You guys, It's a rope, Not a snake. And your body will get more and more relaxed, And your thought processes will get bigger and bigger. Yeah. So how are you feeling? I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. Something processed. Yeah. I know you really want spiritual knowledge. You really do. And you're, You're really, This is, You know, When our body get, When we get these deep pain things, And it's, It's, It can be quite shocking, But it's always good news. I, I've told you guys that every joint in my body seized up for three months, And I knew it wasn't, I could hardly walk, And it was my rigidity leaving, You know. But it was a big shock. I was like, What the hell? Yeah. I mean, I was shocked as well, Because nothing happened. It was like out of the blue. I was like, Shocked. Why? How? Like, I don't know any trigger, Like all, No physically outer world trigger in the sense of like, Nothing happened. I was, This was just coming. Yeah. But you've just been at the ashram. You've had hugs, You know, It's kind of like the condition, You know, That your body had taken in unconditional love. And so, You know, You're wanting your freedom, Man. So, The cage of your false personality is showing itself, And the door is opening. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yes. The more you go through this, The more, Yeah, The more skilled you get, And you don't take it seriously. Yeah. I think it's great, Robert. Thank you. Thank you, Really, For bringing this forward, Because it's been very clarifying, I think, For everybody. Yeah. When you get, When you get these pains, And you go through this thing, Look at all these hearts, You get your, You get it proven to yourself, You guys. You see, You can listen to a teacher talk until the cows come home, But unless you engage this way, That you engage deeply on the journey, And allow these complexes to come up, To clear, You can't get proof. It's this that proves to you, That will prove to you that it's possible to move from the conditioning into truth. Good work, Robert. I think doctor's offices are full of them, Truly, And I think the doctors, It makes the doctors feel bad, And people get scared. They go, Oh, There's no, There's, They can't find anything, But I'm in so much pain. I think this is, Thousands of people are going through this. Good, Robert. Yeah. Is there any more, Any other part of it, Or any question, Or anything? Not from my side, But I just remembered that I also went some years ago to the doctor, I had like some heart pain, And nothing was there. That's it, And you know, Yeah, The heart pain will be the heart opening. Yeah, But I didn't know at that time, Yeah. No, No, It's just, I know this is, This is what I say to you guys. I felt like the, The scientist who is looking at all the material that other scientists were ignoring. I was looking at this level of experience, And that's where this work came from. Right, And really, You guys, It's a great ticket to freedom. It is, It's a tremendous ticket to freedom, Because if you go forward, And then, And you, You know, Having these kind of pains, And then looking to what the issue is, And then noticing it in your thoughts, That is exactly how to move through complexes. That is how to paddle your own canoe. Nothing can stop you. Right. Good. You know, Maybe people are gonna, Like, Get my work, Because I'm like, It's so simple. It's so simple. It's just to do it, You guys. Bhavani. Yeah, Bhavani, Sweet one, How are you? Well, We're talking about the body. I don't, I guess I'll start with the body, Because so much has happened in the past few weeks, Internally, Of course. But I'm still, Well, It's, So this past week, I mean, On Monday, I had a, That's a week ago, I had a really nice massage that I, One of the things specifically I had asked her to work on was around my heart area in the back. Because I had told you that whenever, During the meditation, It says, And I'll feel the love in your heart and feel it going out to anybody. And I just was like, But I never have. And then a few weeks ago, It felt like my heart was a clamped fist that it, That at least released, But then, Because it had been so clamped for so long that even the release was painful. And then a few more weeks went by and she worked that area very deeply. And this past week, I've just kind of been, You know, All I feel like doing is just resting, But that's not really possible. So it just, Yeah, It just feels, I mean, Feels like it's working through something. And I'm, Yeah, So it's just focused on your heart. And the, Yeah, The clench of the heart is, We do this, You guys, It's control. We don't, We don't want to love. It's not safe to love. But she, She worked on it. She worked on it. And yeah, Well, It felt like it had released even some weeks ago, Actually, During a beach meditation, I was like, Oh, Wait, I think it's, It's actually released. It was still, You know, Like something that had been clamped for very long releasing, It was still uncomfortable, But at least it felt open and the massage and the aftermath of the massage. I mean, It did, I, When I pull my shoulders back now, Like when I'm sitting for bhajans every evening on the floor for a couple hours, And I pull my shoulders back this whole past week, I'm like, Oh my goodness, This is not painful. Oh, It's not painful. Good. It's not. It feels like it's finally, It's finally actually open because it feels like it's been like that forever. Sure. That's our conditioning. You get, Yeah. Yeah. And then you guys, You get, You find you, Yeah, It's not there anymore. And it will be if you pay attention, You'll see that you're freer to love more. Notice you guys notice both the, Your, Your thoughts and your actions and the body notice all of it. Okay, Good. Yeah. But funny, You're working very deeply. I can feel it. It's um, Yeah, You're still a little bit like that. You're your own project is a little bit, You know what I mean? You're your own project rather than your Bhavani wanting to live the life she came here to live. Do you know the, Do you know what I'm talking about is a subtlety of turning yourself a little bit into an object? Rather than your comment about the deciding to not be ambiguous anymore really resonated with me. Yeah, Because you get nowhere with, We don't get anywhere. Ambivalent is the worst. It's, It's, It's the absolute worst. It is. It just means that you're going to limp through your life and get disappointed at the end. Truly. How could it be? Otherwise, If you think about, If you run, If you run, If you're running a race, And you've got your legs tied together, You know, You can. It's interesting though, That you're admitting the ambivalence. This is good. Because I'm kind of like, How, In what way would you be ambivalent? Because I, I think you've got so little to hold on to that. Why would you be ambivalent? Do you know what I mean? It's maybe the loss of control, Just the, But you know, If we're holding on to control, It's just the illusion of control. We don't really have any control. I think Bhavani, The, The main thing is that I think that in a way you have lived your life in a sea of fog. And you're, Like I have seen since you, Since you've known me, You emerging from it somewhat. There's this, This sea of fog kind of cajoles you, You know, It feels like a safe place, And it isn't. It's what a kid, You did it to stay out of touch with your feelings, So that you go along with your child, With, With your family. Yeah, That sounds just exactly like what I experienced and what I'm really being faced with right now. And yeah, See, I basically, That's kind of what it feels like. It's just a sea of fog. Even my brain today was a sea of fog. Yeah. And part of you is scared to come into real clarity. But sweetie pie, You know, The years go on, Right? Well, I get that part that's scared. I get that part that's scared. And yet I'm like, Wanting to get, Yeah, Not, Not be doing that anymore, Because it's not fun. Okay, So this is what we guys do. So listen, We go like, Oh, I don't want to be like this. We put our energy in that rather than embracing our state and praying about it. You just embrace your state and you pray. And you let Amma bring you out of it. You see, You guys, I mean, By the sea of fog, I mean, I've actually given Bhavani a get out of jail card. Do you know? By witnessing it. Facing her with it, Because it's, It's part of why it's hard for her to stand up. Yeah. Yeah. Good. I feel you're deeply willing underneath. And part of why you're deeply willing is because it's not that great being Bhavani. But you know, It wasn't great being Pramasutra. And that's the thing that ever happened to me, Because then I became more like this. You know, It wasn't great being Janet. I still get that. Yeah. Well, It's truth is you guys, Truth, Of truth. It's so safe. It's so much safer than any game playing. Because, You know, If we do the game, It's like, Then we're 50 years old, We're still playing the same game. You're all very beautiful. And, You know, Pramasutra, Like, I still, I still sometimes go along and I go, Well, I mean, I mean, I have a, I walk around in peace. And I have this bliss that I walk around in. But I'm still dealing with some of that karma stuff. You know, Like, You still get your homework. And what is all my color when the arrow of the karma that's come, That you have to face this life and it's shot. Even if you achieve self-realization, You still have to do all the full arrow to work. You don't get to, Like, Fly around and eat candies. It's so funny, You guys. Sometimes you all start to squirm at the same time. And it's like watching kindergarten kids, Right? No, It's just hilarious. It's kind of like, Especially when it gets really close to the bone and you all start going like. Yep. Just being in this, Just being in the energy is helpful. Hearing this, Hearing what's said to other people helps. I'm just thinking about shaving my head. I'm thinking about shaving my head and just sort of doing like a Buddhist monk, You know, Like a Buddhist monk. Yeah. Yeah. I'm seriously contemplating it. Yeah. I did that once and I highly recommend doing it one time in life. It is so nice. I really, I recommend it. But you grew your hair out again. I did. No, I didn't keep it like that. But I just to do it once, I did. I was never going to do it, Never going to do it. And all of a sudden that day arrived. I'm like, I got to do it. And I was here in the ashram, But I did go back to the West with a shaved head. I just, I absolutely loved it, But it wasn't something I was going to keep, At least not at that time. We'll see. We'll see what I do. I think I might keep it if I do it. We'll see. Does anybody else got any questions? You see, The key is really to like to set off the journey and to go like, Okay, I'm really on the journey. And if I get an ache or pain, To look where the ache or pain is. But what will happen, You guys, Is you know, You could be, I have sat in meditations with Amma, And all of a sudden I've had a big clearing around my hands, Around giving and receiving. Suddenly, I feel, I might feel intense pain in my hands. And then there's this clearing of energy. And all of a sudden, I've got more love flowing through my hands. It's an ongoing, You witness, You witness the changes in your body that happen. I just am scared for some of you who are walking around in circles, Actually, And in your ambivalence, Like I'm actually getting scared for you. So, Yeah, Because it's not safe to do that at all. It's, You know, This is true reality. True reality is true reality. It's, You know, What is Amma was saying that the three things we needed, The desire for liberation, And it's rare that they all come together, And then meeting a guru, And then spending, Deciding to spend time with that guru. Those three things happening in a human life are extremely rare. And, You know, There have been people I know who, You know, They don't want it. They might know a guru. They might know several gurus, But they're not that interested. And then some people are really interested, And they don't know anybody. And they walk around like, Oh, I need a teacher. But to get all three together, And, You know, But Amma says, I mean, She said this in the last couple of days, That, You know, If you have these things, And you don't use it, You know, If you have the desire, And you've got the teachers, And you don't take the information seriously, It is not good work at all. One of the things about getting older is you see that the true reality is really there, And it's what runs the show. And the illusions all die. As you get older, More and more of them die. And you see how much the Creator is running the show, And how that to ignore it, And to just go ahead with our ego stuff, Is like building a house on the sand, And it doesn't last. It doesn't, You know, Just look at the news. I mean, People, It just doesn't work. Yeah. Ramasutra, It's Saskia again. I would like to share something from me. I woke up yesterday, So we were talking about physical pain, And I was really in pain. I hardly am in pain a lot, Just usually a little bit. But yesterday, It was my hip hurting and burning like fire, And it was my eye. I had surgery two eyes, Two eyes ago, Two weeks ago, And it was all good. But yesterday, I couldn't open my eye. I was so sensitive to the light. I had to put on sunglasses. But I had to go to a blood test. I had an appointment, So I went with my sunglasses, Limping, And it was interesting. I had an appointment. Usually, It goes in and out, But they were like, I don't know, 20, 30 people, So many people, And I had to wait. So I sat down, And I waited, And I thought, Well, Might as well pray, Because I didn't have time in the morning. And so I started praying, And something really great happened, Because it was the most uncomfortable place. There were all these people, And they were all sick, And it was full. But in me, The biggest light went on. It never did when I prayed at home, Or it was not at the forest. It was just in me for a brief moment. It just went on really bright, And I don't know, I can't tell, Maybe a minute or two, But it stayed. It really stayed. So I went back home, And I just said, I need a sick day. I just really need to lie around today and do nothing, And with that pain and everything, It felt like, You know when you're in the dark a lot, And then you slowly get used to the light. My eye couldn't get used to the light outside, But there was that light inside. And so I did that, And this morning, Today, I woke up, And it's fine. My eye is totally fine. My hip is much better. I can feel my hip reacting to things. When you said I wasn't wanted as a child, It's funny, Pain in my hip comes up. So there's still, But that light experience, And the reason I also wanted to share that. Wait a second. You said about the pain in your thing, And you said, But still, So it was right around the hip thing, The feminine power. You guys, You see? Yep. So, Saskia, Yeah, So this kind of thing, These subtleties with how our parents feel about us, Is exactly what really blocks the feminine power. Do you see? Because when we're not wanted, Say for example, How can you come forward with a full heart when you're not even wanted? So your left hip, The feminine power, It would be so connected. Yeah. Yeah, I could feel that. Right. So if something hurts like that, That was telling you that you're struggling with that too. And I just want to point out, You made it wrong, Saskia. You guys, You do this, And it just drives me nuts because you guys are shooting yourself in the foot by making this wrong, By making, Oh, I have a pain, That's bad. Like, No, Your complexes are clearing. It's like, Please understand this. How many years have I, I'm telling you stuff. It's like, For years, You guys, I'm telling you this stuff. Please, Get it. Yeah. I know it in my head already. It's, And I'm, Yeah, I realize it. Yeah. To get curious though, And witness. Yes. Or to pray about it. Don't just go, Oh, It's in my head. Oh, Well, I'm the helpless victim. You pray about it. You guys, It's the heart of what I have to teach. If you get onto this, You will go turbo. As long as you spend, Like, Kind of arguing with it, Or like, Oh, I keep forgetting, You're going to keep going around in circles. Yeah, Please. You guys, It is what I have to offer. It is like coming to a non-dualist teacher and saying, I want to learn the spiritual way, But I don't want to do the non-dual. You know, If you come to me, This is what, This is what I offer. Please. It's not a club. This is high-level self-realization training. A Pramit Siddha has a great deal of compassion, But I, Sometimes I wonder what we're doing. I don't want anybody feeling ashamed of themselves or like a bad girl or anything. I just want you to get it. Because it's your ticket to freedom. One of the great things about paying attention to your body is it will teach you non-attachment, You guys. Maybe this is a way that will be. You can digest this. You will learn to be non-attached if you pay attention to the aches and pains in your body as spiritual vehicles, As a spiritual vehicle, And really take it to heart. You will move into non-attachment because you're saying, Okay, I am facing my journey. I'm facing my, You know, That I, Amma says we're all alone here. The expression we're born alone, We die alone. We're all alone here, You guys. We're in this incredible playground that our souls have created, And everything we look at is us. It's all you, You guys. The trees are all made out of you. They're all made out of your creator aspect. It's all you, Everything you see. And when you really, Like, Get that the body, The complexes hurt when they leave, And your body will ache as these complexes leave, You become non-attached. You don't need other people the same way. You don't need other people to prop you up. You can decode your own self. And you can shift, Make your own shift. Right. It's lovely. It's very freeing. It's the same way if you're talking to somebody and your body is giving you signals of discomfort, Sort of, You know, We all have, If you pay attention, Your body will let you know when somebody's lying. That is a tremendous power to know when somebody's lying. And you have this vehicle. You're in it. Your soul is in your body. Your body is your soul's vehicle. It's life. Saskia, I didn't mean to, You know, I wasn't, I wasn't, I was just, It was a teaching moment. I mean, You're doing, You're doing beautiful work, Sweetie. You know, Full good. Just a teaching moment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, So before next week, I want you guys to think about whether you really want to do this work or not. You're all welcome. You're always all welcome. But I want you to really think about whether you're really interested in doing it. There's some of you guys who really don't know what I'm talking about. And actually, I don't have a problem with you guys. The ones who really don't. And they come, They come because their lives get better. They don't really know why. It's okay. I don't mind that. But those of you that are kind of willfully ambivalent, I want you to really think about whether you want to do this work or not. Okay, Any questions or comments? Everybody feel like a bad girl or boy? I don't want that. I don't want that. But I'm really wanting a group of people who, Who did what Robert did. It's what I want. I want you guys. I want you guys to do this or with Saskia. I want you guys to get it. We've been doing this for three years. Maybe four. Premise is gonna die of old age before. Before, You know. Okay, Well, Best fellows, I don't want you to feel bad. But I want you to really think about what you want this life. This is a very easy way to grow. If you come along. Okay, Well, Remember, You're all loved. You're always welcome. Heart attack. Okay, You guys. Okay, Bless you, Dear. Bye.

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