The Heartshift To Forgiveness - Thrive After Divorce

This is a 30 minute interview with Marcy Neumann from our Thrive After Divorce Show Series. Marcy is a professional energy healer, teacher, author, and creator. In this segment, she will talk about the Heartshift to Forgiveness to Thrive After Divorce.

Transcript

Okay,

Here we go.

Hello everybody,

Welcome to the Thrive After Divorce show.

My name is Lisa and I am so honored and pleased that you have all joined us today.

Today I'm really excited about our topic and our guest.

We are fortunate enough to have Marcy Newman.

Marcy is,

Gosh,

So many things.

She's a professional energy healer,

An integrative intuitive counselor,

A spiritualist minister,

Certified hypnotherapist and a Reiki master.

Marcy is also a published author,

Creator of award-winning manifestation and healing products and a public speaker.

For over 45 years,

Marcy's professional journey has been guided by her own teachings of self-love,

Building a self-love lifestyle,

Energy healing and transformation in her own propriety process known as heart shifting.

Welcome to our show,

Marcy.

Thank you so much,

Lisa.

I'm really excited to be here from the moment that you and I connected.

It was just such an exciting feeling that I had and so I'm confident that you and I have an awful lot to share today.

So thank you for inviting me and giving me that opportunity.

Thank you.

Now,

Okay,

Heart shifting alone.

I love the title.

The name is so intriguing.

So tell us what is heart shifting?

So first off,

Let me just say that heart shifting is the culmination of nearly 45 years that I've been blessed to work in this field of healing hearts.

So it has come as my own journey has evolved and it's a process whereby I utilize a number of different modalities to help people to shift energetically.

It's really where the focus of all of my work is.

And so heart shifting is where with a shared intention,

We purposefully shift and recalibrate the energy that's being projected from the heart.

Yes.

So why that's important,

Of course,

Is that it is the projection of that energy that creates all of our experiences.

So energy is projected from us.

It goes out into the universal form and finds other energy just like itself and brings it back to us in various forms like a boomerang.

Yeah.

So as we become more masterful in,

I guess,

Adapting that energy to what it is that we want to experience,

We actually get to experience it.

It's amazing.

It's fabulous.

It's really miraculous,

To tell you the truth.

Yeah.

You know,

I,

When I first did my own little version of sending love as a healing to relationships that maybe weren't going well in my life,

I did it kind of as an experiment.

And then I would be amazed that things would kind of start to smooth out.

Yeah.

And,

You know,

It's so important,

I think,

For each and every one of us,

Of course,

To remember that,

A,

We are energetic beings.

It gets very confusing because we see ourselves as these bodies and we think that's all there is.

Although we know that we have this consciousness,

Right,

We still get caught up in the everyday minutia of being a body.

And then we look at others and we see them only as bodies.

But the truth is,

Is that as energy beings,

Our first language is energy.

Yes.

So as we develop that ability within ourselves to reacquaint ourselves with that language,

To learn how it moves,

How it works,

And of course,

How it's always there to support us.

And that's when everything shifts.

And as you said,

You start to see it in the things around you that are coming into your energy field,

But mostly in your relationships.

Yeah.

And that's,

I know with my own personal,

You know,

You go through divorce,

There's ebb and flows to it.

And in a tough time,

If my head can't rationalize it,

I just think,

Just send love to the situation.

Doesn't mean I send,

You know,

It just send love to the situation in person and let it be.

But with that,

I think a big part of it is it leads you to forgiveness.

I agree with you,

Lisa.

I think when we can step out of all the do's and don'ts,

Step out of right and wrong,

Step out of blame and gain.

When we can step out of those energies,

Which are so dense,

We can,

As I said before,

Utilize the light of this love to be proactive in creating what it is that we want to experience.

Forgiveness,

From my perspective,

Is that key.

So many people get caught up in what they think forgiveness is and forgiveness is not a journey of the thought.

It is a journey of the heart.

So forgiveness must happen from a completely different vibrational frequency than you have been addressing the situation from.

If you could have healed that situation from that energy,

It would have happened already.

So the mind,

The ego mind,

I should say,

Could never create forgiveness.

No.

It's the exact opposite of what it's looking to purposefully produce,

Okay?

Because its intention is to keep you separate.

So we must learn that language of energy,

Which is the energy of the heart,

And forgiveness is a game changer.

Yes.

So what does it require of us?

It requires,

First off,

That we set aside these belief systems,

Right,

About forgiveness that have kept us small and separate.

You just have to.

Yes.

We have to create this awareness when those beliefs come up.

They're going to be disguised because the ego is very clever and very insidious in how it does that.

So we learn how to recognize it.

And again,

It's why learning energetics is so important because we often can't see it with our eyes.

We maybe not pick it up with our ears,

But we can always feel it energetically.

And you know who else for our listeners that have children involved?

Our children pick it up energetically.

Oh yeah,

Because they're so energetically attuned.

Yeah,

I,

You know,

I could have a smile.

I can say any words,

But my children and my dog know,

You know,

When I'm faking it and what the energy is.

And so it really does affect everyone around,

Even if you're smiling through it.

Absolutely.

And so as we put aside that,

Those limiting beliefs about forgiveness and we come into the heart.

What becomes very clear very quickly is that,

And I know I'm going to have some eyes rolling and I know I'm going to maybe even get some gasps on the other end.

I want to hear what you're going to say.

But,

Oh my Lord,

This is not about them.

It's about you.

Yes.

It is about you letting go.

Yes.

These dense energies that are preventing this energy of love from circulating through you.

You are the one who is suffering by holding on to the energy.

So we look only at the energy.

And very often it's very clear.

We start to see how we invited that energy to accumulate and become dense.

Every single time that we bought into not being enough,

Every single time we bought into not being worthy or lovable or not capable,

All of those things,

We are the ones who created that obstruction to our own energy circulatory system.

Okay.

I'm going to twist it even more and say that forgiveness is almost a selfish act because I do it so much just for me.

You know that I'm like,

I don't,

I don't care how the other person feels.

I mean,

I wish them well and wish them love,

But the forgiveness part is for me.

So let's reframe that the word selfish.

Right.

I know it wasn't right,

But I.

Into self wish.

Okay.

Yeah.

Because what you wish for yourself is to be free.

To be free from all of the ramifications of that energy.

You can never achieve what you're looking to experience in this world as you hold on to it because it will continue to close off those parts of your own energy field,

Which then prevents you not only from receiving love,

But prevents you from being able to give your love,

Which is what you're here to do.

Yeah.

Yeah,

Go ahead.

Oh,

I'm sorry.

I'm going to say I tell people divorce usually starts in a place of fear,

You know,

Even if it's years before divorce comes and it has to end in a place of freedom.

Yeah.

I mean,

Forgiveness and to me,

Forgiveness equals freedom.

So you have,

If you start in fear,

But you have to somewhere get to forgiveness or you'll never be free.

I think that's so beautifully said,

Lisa.

And you're absolutely right.

I often say the same.

It's those words are synonymous.

They're synonymous because they share the same energy frequency.

So the energy frequency of forgiveness freedom is the same energy frequency of love.

Love has many characteristics in terms of the energies that form that or give it form,

We should say.

And so freedom is what we're all seeking,

Whether we have a conscious awareness of that or not.

But what are we looking to experience freedom for?

It's not to become a slave to what other people's expectations are of us.

It's not to become a slave to societal expectations,

Familial,

Cultural,

It's to become completely committed.

And this is where we come back to that self wish.

We come back to being committed to us as a soul.

Yeah.

We are here very purposefully.

And that purpose is to give love.

Yeah.

As we expand our consciousness,

Our energy field,

Our heart consciousness,

We give it permission to project a greater,

Higher frequency.

What happens is love then is capable of just perfectly extending through us.

We don't even need to direct it.

And for people,

If this seems like a hard concept,

Something that helps me is,

Well,

First,

I was surprised years ago to learn that the color of the heart is actually green.

It's not red,

You know,

The energy.

And I really visualize like just a cloud of green,

You know,

Just love energy all around a situation that helps me to visualize just like I'm just sending love.

And so I just pictured like a green fog around whatever that situation is.

I think that that's great.

I think that,

You know,

Utilizing any anything,

Any tool that allows us to shift into that space is not only practical.

But here's what happens the moment that we start to reach for something outside of where we are,

If it's of a higher vibrational frequency,

Which just that act alone,

Right?

That act of saying,

Yes,

I will visualize.

What happens is you're now opening up the lines of communication between your higher self and your conscious mind.

The more that you do that,

The more that you're going to recognize that guiding voice.

So every act,

And that's why no step is too small.

Every act that we take that's in alignment with letting love loose.

We are opening those lines of communication with our higher self.

We are developing a greater trust within ourselves for that voice.

But also for ourselves.

There is no greater freedom than to know that you can trust yourself.

You will be committed to making certain that you are getting everything that you need to stay open and fluid and to be there in partnership with love.

Yeah.

For me,

I know divorce led me from very,

Very broken to where I'm at now,

Which I would say is just whole,

Happy and free.

And I could have never done it if I didn't have forgiveness as my number one.

You know,

Just that's what I do.

You just have to forgive or you won't move on.

You're like a poster child,

Lisa.

How beautiful.

How beautiful.

But that's how powerful your choice was,

Because you also could have taken on society's expectation by you harboring anger,

Resentment,

Separation,

Guilt,

Shame,

Blame,

All of those.

Right.

Isn't that so often what society expects of us?

You know,

I didn't like that feeling like it was for me that like it was a self-wish act that I thought,

I don't want to feel like this.

And you know what?

You're not meant to know.

And bravo for you that you recognized that that feeling was a complete antithesis to your true nature.

Your true nature is exactly as you described.

It's feeling free and whole and happy and knowing that you are here to experience that.

You know,

I agree with you.

I think that the journey that we take through the divorce process and I myself went through actually a very acrimonious divorce.

It was very difficult.

But who I became in that process is who is sitting here right now speaking with you and speaking with everyone in our audience.

I know.

And I know you and I have come a long way and done a lot of work.

So for me,

Right.

Yeah.

You know,

A lot of people.

This might seem crazy,

But so when you get to a point,

I've had this thought.

We get married with love.

What would happen if those same two people decided to divorce with love?

Well,

It's a game changer for the world.

Wouldn't it be,

Though?

I mean,

Just the concept of,

Oh,

Yeah,

Let's just do it with love.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Unfortunately,

You know,

Very often,

Myself included,

You know,

We wait so long in the relationship for things to change.

That the resentment grows.

And as the resentment grows,

It creates a wall.

Right.

So that the love that's there cannot be accessed.

I know it doesn't leave.

The love is there.

You're right.

You know,

When we're in relationship and and we have gone into the marriage from that place of love,

That is eternal.

It's part of us.

Right.

And,

You know,

You're right.

If we can just keep that in the forefront of our heart rather than,

You know,

Trying to keep it buried and pretend that divorce can only be this way.

God,

We rob ourselves of so much opportunity.

We rob?

I'm sorry?

To become who we're meant to be.

But also we rob everyone around us and we rob the world of possibilities.

And for people with children,

I feel like I robbed myself of motherhood for years.

Yeah.

It was not the mother I envisioned.

It was not the person that carried that little baby home.

And you just you rob.

Yeah.

Everyone gets robbed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it doesn't have to be that way.

No.

Now let me ask you,

Because I for me,

I know I had used a lot of tools to get here in one when we talked about that dense energy.

I believe it is just my belief that I went in and would have Reiki done and pull that energy out.

Or shift the energy in my body.

What do you think of actually like those types of things besides our mind really changing the energy or pulling it away?

So I'm a firm believer in exploring whatever tools work for you.

I mean,

I'm an energy healer,

You know,

A Reiki master.

Yes,

Reiki.

You know,

When I was even preparing to go into my divorce,

I completely utilized my healing community.

I went into,

You know,

A therapeutic relationship with a therapist whose whole focus was on women in transition.

She was a very spiritual therapist.

And so,

You know,

I went into the divorce process looking to heal.

I didn't want to be spit out,

You know,

Like Jonah.

Right.

After it on the sidewalk,

I wanted to heal through it.

And so,

Yeah,

I just immerse myself in my healing community in therapeutic process and gave myself everything that I needed in order to come out ready for that wholeness that you that you described.

And there are so many things.

One of the things,

Though,

Also is that we need to take personal responsibility.

So before I was speaking generally of this conscious awareness.

Of your energy,

It's essential.

You must be able to recognize where your energy is taking you,

Because that's where your thoughts are going to follow.

And what follows your thoughts are your actions and your actions,

Of course,

Will determine the outcome of your experience.

So we have to come back to this energetic place,

Understanding ourselves energetically and being able to read it.

Having said that,

There are things that we can do that can feed that energy can actually enhance our energy field anchor ourselves in.

What are those things?

Those things are anything and everything that makes your heart sing,

That delivers this sense of softness.

Softness allows you to receive.

So what happens is like I always tell my clients to go out and become love detectives.

It's my belief that our higher self is constantly giving us these clues.

Right.

These are messages for and from our heart that tell us what is going to nurture and nourish us.

It can be something as simple as overhearing a conversation that makes you giggle or laugh or even gets your own inquisitive juices flowing.

It can be something that you're involved with that is creative.

Creative life force energy is love.

So the more creative energy that you can become immersed in,

The more it's going to help you.

Reading things that just give you an opportunity to experience that freedom.

Right.

You can feel it feeding your heart.

Being with people,

Being very discerning about who you surround yourself with.

But these messages come to us all day long.

And so it's a love detective,

I say,

Carry a little notebook and collect your data.

Oh,

What did this for me today?

What did that for me today?

Oh,

And at the end of the day,

You read through that and recapture that.

You will be maintaining and actually elevating your vibrational frequency the more you do it.

So as you raise your vibrational frequency,

Guess what?

Everything's going to look and feel different.

Yeah,

You'll be different.

Yeah.

You know,

For people that are thinking they're trapped in a situation or with a next partner,

They can never do this.

I always say,

Or I love the saying,

By changing yourself,

You change the situation.

Oh,

For sure.

It just has to.

So you don't need to think about the other person.

No.

And so many of the things you just said,

Because divorce,

You can be very strapped for money,

You know.

But most of the things you just said are free.

I read,

I have not stopped reading,

But you go library,

It's free.

You can go on a walk,

It's free.

You can,

You know,

Just there's so many things you can do,

Like a candle,

Say a prayer.

You don't have to think you need all this money to go see specialists and therapists.

That's correct.

But the point is to reach out and get what you need.

Yeah,

To make the hardship.

Yeah,

And so what's happening as you're doing this,

You're also developing a very intimate relationship with yourself.

And that's essential to go forward into any new relationship.

You must know yourself.

You have to develop that intimacy so that you can then experience it in relationship with another person.

And if you don't do this,

If you just keep doing what you're doing,

You're going to keep getting what you got,

And you're going to end up in the next relationship.

And it's not,

If you want to have a different relationship going forward,

You have to change the relationship you have with yourself.

Correct.

And speaking of ways to do this,

I know you have a gift to offer everybody listening.

If you want to tell us what you do.

I do.

And I,

You know,

I put a lot of thought into it because I know that there's a lot of confusion around forgiveness.

And the other issue is,

Lisa,

Nobody ever taught us how to do it.

And certainly nobody taught us how to do it on this level,

The level that we really need right now in this world.

Yes.

And so I wanted to start that process for everybody.

One of the things that I look at is that I believe that forgiveness is the greatest act of self-love that we can gift ourselves.

So in the material that I'm offering to our listeners,

I first start out by offering an e-book about cultivating self-love.

Okay,

What is that and why do we do that?

Why is it essential for our well-being?

I also offer then a forgiveness readiness quiz.

You need to know where you're starting.

And from there,

There are affirmations that I have created that will energetically support you in shifting.

It's forgiveness,

What it is,

What it isn't,

And really starting this journey with your eyes more open,

But more than anything with your heart open.

And then for anybody who is looking to maybe clear up some confusion or needs help in setting their direction.

I'm also offering 30 minutes of private time just with me and I'll explore that.

Well,

I do that as my gift back to love.

That's incredible.

Yeah.

That's a huge gift.

It is.

It really is.

But it's my service and I give back wherever I can,

Which is also why I do these interviews and participate so that I can give people real working information.

Thank you.

And to everybody listening,

I'm telling you forgiveness is a one size fits all.

Just wherever you're at on the scale,

Do yourself a favor.

We're going to list the URL,

Go to the site,

Get the e-book,

Get the sheet,

Take advantage of this amazing offer because we can always learn to forgive more.

And if you don't know where to start,

Marcy will show you where to start and just take that step.

Take that first little heart shift.

That's right.

And we're all in this together.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And if you can't do it for yourself right now,

If you're at a point you can't do it for yourself,

Do it for your children,

Do it for your parents,

Your friends.

Believe me,

Our divorce,

Our energy affects everybody.

That's right.

So,

That's exactly right.

Well,

I am so incredibly grateful for your time with us today.

And I'm going to go print those things off for myself.

Good.

And I think I am so grateful you came on this journey and I just hope everyone.

Yeah,

There's a little heart shift today.

And I hope everyone comes back tomorrow.

We're going to have another exciting guest lined up for you on another topic,

Something to keep going and continue that momentum that we were building.

So thank you everybody and have a wonderful,

Wonderful day.

And thank you.

Thank you.

Many blessings.

Okay.

See.