Hello spiritual seekers.
Welcome to another episode of the Unraveling Shaltazar podcast featuring me,
Mark Lane,
Spiritual seeker,
Writer,
And Shaltazar enthusiast,
Along with the mouthpieces of Shaltazar,
Jeffrey Eisen,
My good friend and collaborator.
For those of you who may be unfamiliar,
Jeffrey is a Toronto-based spiritual life coach,
Teacher,
And channeler of a spiritual entity who goes by the name Shaltazar.
With the help and support of Shaltazar's cosmic wisdom,
It is Jeffrey's mission to assist in shifting the consciousness of our planet.
It is my pleasure to assist Jeffrey in making this marvelous wisdom available to the largest possible audience and to unravel it in an understandable and comprehensible way.
Hello Jeffrey.
Hello Mark,
And how are you today?
I'm well,
How are you?
Doing well,
Doing well.
Looking forward as usual to our Tuesday conversation on Unraveling Shaltazar.
Me too,
Me too.
I picked a message today kind of by accident.
As we know,
I'll look in the morning before we talk and see what what pops up or what speaks to me.
And I had picked one message and I started to listen to it.
I was like,
You know,
I'm just not feeling it.
But the next message that was next to it,
I was like,
I wonder what that one is.
And so I opened it up and it happened to be moving to pure potentiality.
And I couldn't be more happy with this choice.
And I don't know if it's just me or where I am with things right now or or what the reason,
But it really spoke to me,
I guess.
It was probably,
And maybe you disagree,
But it's one of the more mystical messages that I think Shaltazar has provided.
It has a couple of quotes that were famous for repeating.
And it talks about,
We've talked before about kind of peeking behind the veil or or looking behind the veil,
Seeing the wizard behind the curtain.
And this message actually invites us to go on the other side of the curtain with them.
And it's kind of fascinating,
Spooky,
Scary,
Exciting for me at least.
Yeah,
Yeah.
A couple things.
First of all,
I,
You know,
I agree with you when you say you picked it by accident because I think all of these messages are meant to be picked by accident.
And I think in some cases,
And I share this with the listeners,
That it is often we think it's us picking a message,
But I think the message picks us.
There is some mystical nature about this.
And I'm not saying it because I'm the channeler of it.
It's far greater than me.
And I know even when I channel them that it's not me choosing what comes through.
It seems to be this mystical force,
This mystical power.
And you're right,
This one is very mystical.
And I was so excited when you texted me the title and then there was a big wow.
And it's like,
Oh,
Okay.
Because of course I forget what they're all about.
And it's like,
I was like a kid in a candy store saying,
Okay,
Well,
Mark had a big wow for this one.
So I'm kind of really looking forward to it.
And you're right.
It really,
It reminded me of a bunch of others that are talking about behind the veil.
One of them is,
It just doesn't matter where they sort of give us an experience of being behind the veil in a very graphic kind of way with the lights and the sounds and things like that.
But this one was one that I think I will listen to again after our discussion,
Because I do think that there's a bit of a road map in there for that being able to create and to experience behind the veil a bit more.
Yeah,
Yeah.
It's,
I mean,
I highlighted a bunch of stuff in this one.
I'll usually highlight a line or two,
But there's a lot of marker on this paper.
But we've talked a lot about that idea of learning to feel more at ease with nothing.
Beyond nothing lies great riches,
Right?
And there's a line here though that kind of sets the tone for the idea of that kind of spoke to me.
It says,
Often in the nothingness your mind panics and takes over,
Creating a sense of stress and discomfort.
And that really kind of said a lot to me because I think that when you're,
We're used to meditating,
Right?
And we've met on Insight Timer,
A lot of guided meditations,
And I'm starting to kind of pull away from the guided meditation a bit because I'm finding that listening to the speaking,
It kind of engages my left brain more,
I think,
Than I want it to.
And so I've been working more like just in a quiet space and just meditating or doing more of a Zen meditation or just kind of just trying to be present.
And your mind does seem to hate a vacuum.
It's like when it's empty and there's nothing there,
It wants to fill it.
And it does feel like it creates the sense of stress or panic when there's nothing going on in there,
Like it's going to evaporate or disappear.
And so it's like struggling for survival.
If that's a good analogy,
I guess you're so right on.
And again,
That line just beyond the nothingness lies great riches is one of my favorites.
And I keep hearing it over and over and over in my mind.
As you're talking,
I want to share an experience with you.
I too was very much,
In the beginning of my meditation practice,
Was very,
Very much a guided meditation guy.
I remember the meditations of Dr.
Brian Weiss,
Who does past life regressions.
And he has this beautiful voice because he does hypnosis.
And I used to listen to some of his meditations.
They were 20 minutes twice a day.
And over time,
I evolved and a lot of my meditation practice today is listening to very mystical esoteric music,
Crystal bowls,
And other 432 hertz,
528 hertz music.
And I'll sit with a couple of crystals.
And I was very comfortable with that.
I seemed to go into a very deep place.
But recently I've had some problems with tear ducts.
I think it's called bluffaritis.
And my eye doctor suggested that I put hot compresses on my eyes.
And of course,
You're supposed to do it for five minutes.
Well,
I bought this sort of,
You know,
The thing that you see people put on at night to block out the sunlight.
And you put it in the microwave and it heats up.
And you put it on your eyes for five minutes.
And I decided that I would do it in total silence,
That no music,
No nothing.
I'd set the timer on my phone and I would just for five minutes have this total silence.
And I've been doing it once or twice a day and watching my mind.
And I must say,
I'm extremely disappointed in me because I am nowhere close to that nothingness.
It's exactly what Shaltazar is saying.
My mind is just,
You know,
The first thing you sit down and this happens even when I meditate,
All of a sudden the list of,
Oh,
You forgot to do this,
You forgot to do that.
And there's that temptation to get up.
I got pretty good at resisting that,
But being there with my eyes covered at sort of a heat on my eyelids and total silence,
No music,
No nothing,
Just watching my thoughts has been a real eye-opener for me.
And then of course you pick this message,
Which is the reminder that beyond the nothingness lies great riches.
And I'm realizing that maybe my connection behind the veil is not as strong as it used to be.
So thank you for that reminder that I want to intensify my travels behind the veil.
Behind the veil into that place of pure potentiality.
Yeah,
Yeah.
I think one of the reasons that this spoke to me so strongly is that's kind of what they're talking about in here is what I think what I've always been seeking in my life is that direct and conscious connection to the spirit world.
I think we go there in our sleep,
But we're not aware of it because we're unconscious.
But it says in here,
Come join us on the other side of nothingness.
It sounds like a travel ad,
Right?
As you practice becoming more ease with nothing,
We will show you,
Teach you how to cross the void.
From there,
You can pull back the veil.
So you may come to experience your multi-dimensional self while still in human form.
And that was my,
Wow,
Wow.
We can do that.
I want to do that.
How do I do that?
You know,
It's something I think that mystics and ascended masters talk about and it seems something that's attainable,
But they're saying,
Yeah,
It is attainable.
And yeah,
We'll show you how you can do it.
And so that was kind of fascinating to me and concerning,
I guess,
At the same time.
So stick with me on this.
It seems like you and I have talked about people,
You've talked to people who've had near-death experiences and it seems like people that have near-death experiences have that thing that they just described there happened to them during the near-death experience.
And I don't want to have to have a near-death experience to experience that.
So that's,
I guess that's,
You know,
That was kind of the feeling and thought that was,
That's been churning through me since I,
Since I listened to this.
Right.
And there is another message from Shaltazar about that experience of a near-death experience,
But not having to have it.
So they have referred to this on a few different occasions where you don't have to have the near-death experience to get to that place.
I will say though,
That they are quite clear to me on the fact that although we can experience this,
We cannot have it all of the time while in human form.
And so one of the things that it's important for our left brain to understand is that the best we can do,
Even if we get the toolbox and master the techniques,
We're not going to be able to get to that pure potentiality,
That place of heaven on earth.
They did talk about that in the message saying that this is referred to as heaven,
That place of heaven on earth,
First of all,
All of the time.
And second of all,
On demand,
It will come when it comes.
It's sort of like waves.
I don't know about you lately,
But I've been experiencing those waves of tiredness that I know my wife gets very concerned about.
And I just know it's part of the energy shift that's occurring.
And so when we get that wave of a pure potentiality,
That wave of heaven on earth,
We need to appreciate it for when it comes.
You and I,
Before we started recording,
Talked about the fact that we think that there's a heavy sense of massive creativity coming around the bend,
And we don't know when it's going to come.
Well,
Maybe that is going to be that heaven on earth moment where we're going to run through a period of part of the day,
Maybe for a few days running,
Maybe for a week running where we have that.
And so I think it's important to look at this beyond the logic of,
Okay,
I can create this and I can call upon it whenever I want.
I liken it,
And you've heard me refer to those all moments or those miracle moments.
And sometimes I have those weeks where there are a lot of those all moments.
And I think that's what they're talking about.
And they're talking,
I think they're trying to tell us to be aware of it and not flounder it.
When it comes,
When you're in that moment of pure potentiality,
When you're in that energy where you're feeling more multi-dimensional,
Take advantage of it,
Go with the flow,
Increase your creativity,
Manifest the things that you've always wanted.
So I think it's important to realize they're going to teach us how to do it,
But we don't know when it's going to come and we need to be aware of it so we can take advantage of it.
Does any of that make sense?
No,
It does.
Yeah.
And in fact,
They say that they talk in here about worrying about pure love and getting to that silent place where you can feel us around you.
And I guess it's that sense that,
You know,
I've done some meditations where,
You know,
You kind of allow your physical being to dissolve and you dissolve into the,
You know,
Into the existence around you.
And it seems like that that's where you go to have this communion with them.
But it also says don't grab onto it because you'll lose it,
Right?
So don't,
You know,
You can't force it to happen.
You can't force it to stay around.
You kind of get there and then they come to you and then,
You know,
As long as you can remain neutral,
Then they can remain with you.
But as soon as you become self-aware or aware of them,
Perhaps,
Maybe then you lose that connection.
You know,
You break the connection.
Yeah.
It's like that old saying,
Don't think of a pink elephant,
Right?
And you can't get a pink elephant out of your mind.
And of course,
You know,
So it's like,
Don't think that you're behind the veil.
Don't think you're in pure potentiality because the minute you do,
You're not.
Which is a,
And you have paradoxes,
Right?
You love that.
So this is another one of those paradoxes when you have to,
You have to be okay with it,
But be comfortable with the fact that you don't know if it's here or not here.
It's just here,
Right?
And when it's here,
Take advantage of it.
I am sensing,
And you know,
With my personal experience of realizing that I have not mastered the art of nothingness as much as I would like to,
I think they're telling us to practice being more comfortable with that nothingness.
So when that wave of multi-dimensionality,
That wave of pure potentiality comes to us,
We'll be ready for it.
Because as you say,
The minute the mind gets involved,
You're going to push it away.
So picture this,
You've got this wave of pure potentiality coming down upon you.
If you respond to it with nothingness,
And if you respond to it with ease,
If you respond to it with blankness,
It'll keep coming and miracles will happen.
The minute you say,
Oh,
Here it comes.
All right.
Oh,
Great.
Now I can manifest this,
Or I can manifest that.
You've pushed it away and it goes on to the next person.
So I think what they're asking us to put into our toolbox is the comfort with the void,
The comfort with the nothingness,
The comfort with the silence.
Yeah.
They even say in here,
Let it consume you,
Because each time you do,
You'll go deeper and deeper into the place of God,
Into Source.
So it is practice,
It sounds like.
It sounds like it's not something that you can jump into,
And maybe that's why the monks who live on the mountaintop are monks who live on the mountaintop,
Because they have the time and space to be able to do that where we don't.
And it probably does take quite a bit of practice to be able to get to that place quickly and stay there as long as you can.
Yeah.
And the message I recently channeled from Shaltazar called Changing Your Mind basically said that silence,
That stillness,
That void is the first step.
And there's a second step,
Which is then recalibrating,
Reprogramming your mind.
So up until this point,
And even in this message,
Moving to pure potentiality,
They're really still talking about the comfort level and the practice of being in the void and the nothingness.
And it's only recently that they've now talked about this second step,
Which is being able to use that to change your life on planet earth,
To change your human life by reprogramming your mind.
And it's kind of interesting that it's been years and years where all they talked about is the nothingness and the void.
And now they're starting to tell you that that was the first step and that there's a second step and another greater benefit for it.
So I highly encourage the listeners to be practicing that comfort with the nothingness.
And once again,
I try to remind myself with that line,
Just beyond the nothingness lies great riches.
And it's kind of interesting to think,
Well,
What is beyond the nothingness?
I get so bored with the nothingness that I really have difficulty getting there very long,
Right?
It's a fleeting moment.
So we are certainly suggesting,
I think,
To people that they become more comfortable with that nothingness because that's going to be the keys to the kingdom when you will be able to invoke that pure potentiality.
And one other thing I just want to bring up,
You know,
Before we run out of time is what struck me in that is they talked about pure potentiality and they talked about love and they talked about love in a deeper sense,
Very interchangeable.
And so I got a sense that that unconditional love of source and pure potentiality are sort of the same thing.
And they talked about it in such a way.
They talked about love in more of a,
In a different way than we're used to.
It reminded me of that message,
The deeper meaning of love.
And so they kind of planted that seed of pure potentiality and source unconditional love being very much the same thing.
Yeah,
I noticed that also.
Yeah,
They did use,
They used them interchangeably throughout the whole message.
So let love guide you and then get to that state of pure potentiality.
Yeah.
Fascinating message.
Fascinating message.
You're right.
It is so mystical because,
You know,
I'm sure we could go on and on and on talking about this when this would be probably a great message for a deep dive because in order to truly get it,
You really have to let go of your logical mind.
And it sounds like you did that this morning,
Which is kudos to you.
Well done for you being at that place of consciousness that you could get that wow moment because this message picked you,
You listened to it,
And you got wowed,
Which means I'm sensing they've got something in the cards for you.
There's something going to be coming down the line for Mark Lane because I think this message was a prep for you.
Excellent.
Well,
I'm looking forward to it.
That's exciting.
Thank you for pointing that out.
I was going to,
I'm going to throw down a challenge to you too.
In addition to being great for a deep dive,
This would be a great meditation if you could make a meditation out of this because that would be kind of a practical application of what they're saying in here that I would love to listen to if you're ever so inclined to do that.
So thank you for that.
No pressure though,
Just an idea.
Oh,
No,
I love it.
I love it.
I love it because I just want to share with you,
I know we're just about out of time,
But now my mind,
By the way,
My mind is really slipping a lot and I want to control it and I really know that the universe is helping me learn that surrender because there's nothing like wanting to search for a word or a name and you get that blank,
Right?
That's the nothingness they're talking about.
And we're kind of saying,
Well,
Don't do it in the middle of a conversation.
It's like,
Please don't do that to me.
Don't blank me out.
Let me go sit in my meditation chair.
And somebody blanked me out.
The one I'm thinking of is it just doesn't matter.
And it just doesn't matter was really interesting because I channeled that message and there were two parts to it.
And the second part was very much that meditation.
And I redid it in a meditation.
So I am going to pull this one out.
Thank you for that.
Obviously that is the universe talking to me and repurpose this message into something more of a meditation,
Rework it so that people can get the experience just like they did.
And it just doesn't matter of going into that void.
So thank you for that.
Sure.
No,
I'm glad I mentioned it,
Even though we're out of time.
I'm looking forward to it and people tune in and look for that meditation when it comes out.
Excellent.
Thanks for picking this message,
Mark.
I think it was good for both of us and hopefully for the listeners as well.
Same.
Thanks,
Jeffrey.
Have a good rest of your week.
You too.
Love and light to everyone.
