Planets In Retrograde

Spirit Chat number two with Bill, Tanya, and Cindy Paulos about what is cosmically going on. We talk about the planets in retrograde. Perhaps you have been feeling like your buttons are being pushed. There might be reasons for that.
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I am really happy to have two wonderful people in line,

Tanya and Bill.

Hello.

Aloha.

Hi.

How are you?

Gosh,

You know,

You two people are just so great.

And we have gone through some very challenging times.

And I've been seeing people getting their buttons pushed pretty easily.

And I do believe in astrology when you know what you're talking about.

And you two guys,

Both of you,

Really know what you're talking about.

And I think we need to have,

I mean,

I've had friends that have just been going really off the wall,

Off the charts.

And I'm saying,

Listen,

Listen,

It's not just that.

It's the planets as well.

So it's really handy to know what is going on.

And that's why I thought it'd be great to talk to you about some of the forces at work here in the planets,

Right?

Well,

Let's see if we can help explain some of that.

OK.

What's going on,

Bill?

Well,

It will take us a couple of hours to really go into these things.

So we'll give you the overshot here.

But basically,

Probably the biggest thing was that Thursday,

Mercury went retrograde.

Mercury went retrograde in the sign of Cancer.

Now,

Mercury rules our mind.

So Mercury is the communicator,

The messenger.

So the notion that Mercury retrograde is a bad deal is usually communications can break down.

What you thought you heard and what you really heard were two different things.

But in the sign of Cancer,

Now we bring in emotions.

And so with people getting their buttons pushed,

That would probably be the force suspicion.

Because something is being said that maybe triggered something,

Maybe not in the present,

But in the past,

And it comes out emotionally.

So the good news is retrograde Mercury only lasts for 20 days.

Thank goodness for that.

So we only got about 18 more days.

Yeah.

But there is also,

I've been told,

That time before the pre and after time can be pretty challenging as well,

Going into Mercury and out of Mercury.

Is that right?

This is considered to be the case.

Yes.

It's called the shadow period.

And it's the shadow period.

The Mercury,

When it goes,

Any planet goes retrograde,

It has to slow down.

So it's that period of the slowing down before and then getting back to normal pace after.

For an example,

I was talking to Tanya.

And Tanya,

You had what I consider to be a classic Mercury and retrograde moment last,

When you had obviously communications and you were doing a show.

And you had a classic Mercury and retrograde moment or two or three or four or five,

Right?

Yes.

Don't forget too,

It also affects anything like electronics,

Which I would actually attest to more with my computer malfunctions and also travel,

Money contracts,

Things like that.

So yeah,

For some reason,

I really,

Really,

Really get affected by Mercury retrograde.

I think in the last 10 years,

There may have been one,

Possibly two,

That I did not really have an issue with.

But boy,

This one struck hard and with a vengeance for me for sure.

So I'm just,

Thank goodness I have such a great sense of humor.

That's all I have to say.

Well,

And I think having patience and knowing,

Just being aware that maybe it's also other things going on,

Like we were just saying,

Forces going on that might be affecting you can cause you to take a deep breath and handle it,

Obviously,

A little better.

But I'd like to talk about also a lot,

Everyone's heard of Mercury in retrograde.

In fact,

When I ask Siri on my phone,

Is Mercury in retrograde?

When it's not,

Siri will say,

Sorry,

You might just be having a bad day.

And that's my Siri.

Well,

That's funny.

Yeah.

But we have now more planets than Mercury that are in retrograde,

Right?

Yes.

Now,

We also have three major outer planets are retrograde,

That's Pluto,

Jupiter,

And Saturn.

And on the 25th,

Neptune will join them.

So in that sense,

The outer planets that are governing more the things like society at large are all offering us a state of kind of taking a second look at things on a good day.

So whether that happens or not,

That's up to the individuals.

But that's the opportunity when the outer planets go retrograde.

So what would we see?

We know what happens when Mercury goes retrograde because we know it's communication.

So say when you have now,

Which are the other planets again?

Jupiter and Pluto,

Saturn,

And soon to be Neptune.

So when,

Okay,

Let's go down that list.

When Pluto goes retrograde,

What are the tendencies more?

Basically,

Pluto moves so slowly that it's,

In my experience,

Been pretty hard to tell anything in the moment or in the present.

Maybe after a period of time,

You might be able to see.

But Pluto basically is retrograde five months of every year.

Oh,

I didn't know that.

Okay.

Yes.

Okay.

So my suggestion is don't pay too much attention to Pluto retrograde.

Okay.

Because most of,

You know,

Half of the year,

Basically,

It's retrograde,

Half of the year it's going forward.

It's a hard-tailed difference.

Because Pluto will only move two or three degrees over a period of a year.

So it's very slow moving.

Takes it 230-some years to cycle its whole cycle.

The Jupiter Saturn,

That's a little different story.

Jupiter's cycle is 12 months.

I don't right off recall how long its cycle retrograde is,

But it is retrograde now.

It went retrograde,

I think,

In March,

Then Saturn is a 29-year cycle.

So its retrograde lasts a little longer.

It went retrograde after it moved into Aquarius from Trapplecorn.

And at the end of the month here,

It will retrograde back into Trapplecorn.

This is significant because we're going to get to go back over a lot of what we have been going through since January.

Oh no.

I know,

Great.

That's not promising.

Wait,

Is this the second wave they've been talking about COVID-19?

Very likely,

Actually,

Because astrologically,

We count the beginning of this at the January 12 conjunction between Saturn and Pluto.

Saturn rules the structures in Trapplecorn,

It's the structures of government and institutions.

And Pluto is the transformer.

Wow.

And Pluto's work is to break things down to get to their core truth.

Uh-huh.

Well,

When you see what also happened here,

Of course,

After COVID-19 was the Black Lives Matter and definitely the urge of a whole time to recognize the need for equality.

Could that be related to anything going on astrologically?

Oh,

Absolutely.

In my perception,

What we have going on all this year is Pluto is in an opposition to the natal mercury of the United States chart.

What that means,

And I'll give a little addition here to Jupiter.

Jupiter is all about philosophy and beliefs and how we get caught up in our beliefs and also that we will defend them to the death.

But Jupiter is on its highest calling is seeking for the truth with a capital T.

The philosophical truth that underlies everything.

Pluto,

And it's interesting to see,

Jupiter is the largest planet and Pluto is the smallest.

And Pluto's duty is almost parallel to that,

But they operate in very different ways.

Pluto will destroy what is not the truth in order to get to what is the truth.

Wow.

So what is going on here in my perception is the shadow side of the United States is that we like to hold on to our belief that we are this free country and everybody has all these equal opportunities.

And Pluto is saying,

Hold on just a minute here.

Check that out.

Is that really true?

Interesting.

Interesting.

Wow.

So when we see what we are seeing,

Which most people will say,

I saw this picture,

It's so funny.

Someone was holding a piece of sage that was eight feet long.

It's a sage for 2020,

Right?

Yes.

When we see that,

We see that.

When we see what we need for going on with this,

It's really at the same time calling on all people.

And I'm sure you know about this,

Tanya,

With your work as a spiritual counselor.

It's a need for people who understand how we have to be strong spiritually more than ever.

I think all people who are working on the path for anything with light and love and understanding are really being called on to do their work more.

Do you see that,

Tanya?

Absolutely.

And we've had that moment where several of us that have become more conscious than us meaning the planet.

More and more people have become more conscientious and conscious of what is happening as that collective goes on.

And people are becoming a little bit more sensitive to others.

They're becoming a little bit more respective.

They're becoming a little bit more congenial.

I think more people are really starting to embody those values and come forward to say,

You know what?

This is wrong.

I think this is right.

I want to be on the side of right.

And I want to be on the side of goodness and love and togetherness and unity.

And you see that.

I mean,

Just look at some of these protests that have been going on.

There are people that are coming together that probably would have never been together had this movement not happened.

You know?

And I think it's a great thing.

Like Bill said,

Sometimes it takes something to completely break it down.

Break down the system.

Break down the structure.

Get it to rock bottom.

And then start building up a new foundation.

And I really believe that that's what's happening.

And I think that's a good thing.

And maybe we did have to suffer in these ways and certain people had to suffer in order for others to realize what was happening before they could finally say,

Okay,

Now I get it.

And yes,

I want to help you.

Yes,

How can we make this right?

Well,

When we talk about what's going on with this month,

Bill,

I mean,

Let's talk a little about cancer as well.

Cancer is the people I know who are cancer people already have.

I mean,

A lot of them I know.

I have emotions,

But the emotions are more hidden.

I kind of think of cancer as a smoky kind of smoldering sign.

What do you think of the cancer sign?

Well,

If I were just describing cancer alone,

I probably wouldn't use that.

I would credit what you just said there to more to Scorpio.

And cancer and Scorpio are both water signs.

So they carry that emotional depth.

Yeah,

That the deal with cancer is more that it is the first water sign in the zodiac.

And as such,

Then it kind of carries the emotional depth of things that is related to home,

Family,

Children,

You know,

Security,

Particularly security.

And I see with cancer often like you are right in that many don't want to show the true emotion that they're having.

But part of that is because it's so damn intense that,

You know,

That if they were fired,

They'd burn the planet.

You know,

I get that.

And I know a lot of cancers who are good chefs and good cooks,

And that kind of makes sense with what you're saying about the home.

And I couldn't help but think when you're talking on this other my gosh,

Cancers.

We've been under the influence of cancer for months.

But so many people staying home more,

Right?

Well,

Absolutely.

And going back to the button pushing that you mentioned,

That's a lot of it right there because people have been caged up in their own ways.

And we are social,

You know,

We humans and not being able to be in our normal lives.

Normal social condition.

Well,

One thing it does is if you're awakening at all is you get to find out where you need to be more awake.

And but if not,

Then you may be have somebody push your buttons that are basically trying to get you to wake up.

Yeah.

And I do see it's interesting.

I don't know how karma and the whole psychological wheel of life affects where you are in the different realms.

I was once told that as you go through your life,

You will go through different signs in the zodiacal chart.

And depending on where you are,

Which time around,

It can make a difference about how you are able to work with those influences.

Is there any do you know what I'm kind of trying to say there?

And how is that true to that?

Well,

Yeah,

I think the you know,

When people mention karma,

They usually mention that with Saturn and then Pluto.

And I personally don't get into that too much.

But related to what you're saying,

There is a thing called a progression of a planet.

And so during your lifetime,

You're constantly going through the zodiac by progression.

For instance,

I'm a Leo,

But right now,

Progression wise,

I'm a Scorpio.

Really?

Okay.

So that's interesting because is that controversial?

I've heard some people who really believe in that.

And some people say that that's not true.

Is it generally accepted that you do progress through the different signs of the zodiac?

Do you progress through the different signs depending on when you were born,

How you how you move through your life?

Well,

I think so.

The zodiac is a moving thing in that context.

Always,

No matter what the birth chart stays the birth chart.

But for instance,

In,

In my case,

Is the only one I can really speak to the being in Scorpio,

I find that I am,

I am definitely carrying some of the Scorpio traits.

Interesting.

Scorpio likes to look under the surface and find out what's what's not wanting to be seen.

So that's kind of my,

My thing nowadays,

You know,

I want to know what's going on underneath.

But your sun sign sometimes isn't as important as your rising sign that you express,

I was told,

And of course,

And there's the moon sign too.

So,

So how do you merge what your sun sign is with your rising sign and your moon sign?

Well,

This,

This is the,

The tonic that you make,

You know,

This is where a good astrologer can really help because you you kind of try to get a handle on how how those three energies all combine.

In my case,

I'm Leo with Leo rising.

Oh my,

Double Leo.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

And then,

But I have a Libra moon.

And,

And the way I look at the chart,

The moon is almost the most important because the moon deals with your basic instinctual nature that in my notion occurs before thought.

So when people get their buttons pushed,

That's usually what's going on.

Interesting.

Something that's instinctual with them as being a fronted.

What about you,

Tanya?

What sign are you?

I'm an Aries.

Oh.

And I'm trying to,

Bill knows my chart better than I do.

Am I a,

I think I have a Taurus rising.

Is that something?

I think so.

I think I got a Taurus in there somewhere,

But yeah.

Yeah.

I I'm,

I'm about as by the book Aries as I think you can get.

Well,

You know,

Aries,

I happened to,

It's interesting too.

I find I'm an Aquarius Leo rising Taurus moon,

But I do find that certain people,

You know,

Have a lot of friends in certain signs as well.

And I have in my family,

I think three other people who have Aries in,

In their charts.

And so,

You know,

You kind of get used to in your family,

If you have family members or certain signs,

You kind of get really used to those sign energies and can deal with them pretty well.

Did you find anything like that ever,

Bill?

That,

You know,

People you're close to.

It's very common.

Yes.

If your if your son say is what did you say you were?

I'm,

I'm an Aquarius Leo,

Aquarius sun and Leo rising Taurus moon.

Yeah.

And Taurus moon.

So I think if I were predicting,

I would say that you will tend to like earth signs because your Taurus is an earth sign,

Taurus moon.

And that's who you're going to feel most comfortable with.

I like Aries,

I like fire and air.

But then in my whole chart,

I've got a lot of fire and air.

And actually Taurus is my only earth sign in my whole chart.

But I do like fire and air.

Well,

I give it importance because it's your moon.

Yeah.

But in terms of the Leo energy being a fire sign,

Then that you would naturally be attracted to the other fire signs that are Sagittarius and what are they?

The only Aries.

Aries are great.

But so as we're progressing through these very strong times of polls that we're seeing with planets in retrograde.

And and I think there's another major event coming up in a couple of weeks around July 4th or something.

Isn't there something else coming up?

Well,

The major events right now are the eclipses.

And so we just had the solar eclipse on Saturday.

I think it was Saturday.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then on June 5th,

We had the first lunar eclipse.

On July 5th,

We will have the last lunar eclipse.

Oh,

Okay.

So all of the energies that are going on here that we can be specific about,

Like mercury retrograde and so on,

Are also encased in this eclipse time,

Which can be very,

Very intense energies that are often only able to understand after the fact.

Well,

That doesn't help so much,

Does it?

No.

But there are incidents that can be pointed out to this.

But the bottom line is,

Is almost every astrologer who has mentioned that at all has said this solar eclipse that we just had at zero degrees cancer.

That's like the biggest eclipse that we have in our lifetime.

Really?

Wow.

So the outcome of that is still to be seen.

Okay.

It's basically,

But pay attention.

There could be all kinds of things here,

But cancer,

Of course,

It's at the zero degrees of cancer.

And I had also been informed somewhere that the only other time we've had an eclipse in the early degrees of cancer was in July of 2001.

Well,

I was not aware of that.

I was not aware of that.

And it's interesting,

Too,

Because it's coming right after July 4th there as well,

Which,

Of course,

Who knows what's going to happen with that.

Well,

Going back to 2001,

The big event was 9-11.

Oh,

My.

I'd forgotten about that.

Right.

Yeah.

But also because of that,

This cycle is completing,

A 19-year cycle.

Ah.

And that's probably a good thing.

Yes.

Now,

The one coming up in July,

I think,

Is going to be in Aquarius in the early 19th century,

And that was starting a new cycle.

Ah-ha.

I think I can handle that one better.

Yeah,

Probably so.

Yeah.

I had to ask a question,

Too,

Because someone told me once,

And they did my chart,

They said,

Well,

You shouldn't be affected as much by Mercury in retrograde because you are Mercury in retrograde in your chart.

And I had never had heard of that before.

And I'm going,

Well,

I know I get affected still by Mercury in retrograde,

But is there truth that if you have a chart with Mercury in retrograde already that sometimes you don't get as affected by it when it happens?

That's a popular notion,

And I also have that.

And I've never been particularly affected by it.

Interesting.

OK.

So double retrograde can be a positive.

Well,

The thing is,

Is your thinking process is operating on that retrograde.

My experience of that is probably being very reflective about what you have to say.

Well,

It comes in handy,

Doesn't it?

It's probably kept me out of a lot of trouble when I.

.

.

It's kind of hard when you're on the radio and talk a lot because sometimes I don't have time to be very reflective about what I'm going to say,

And I tend to just go ahead and say it sometimes.

It's like,

Oh.

.

.

Well,

Your Aquarius would certainly foster that.

However,

I could offer that it's kind of so built in to you that you're doing it whether you are or you're doing it or not.

So Tanya,

What have you gathered through these?

You've been doing these wonderful Spirit Chats and doing them for a while.

What are you learning by being able to have this input in these conversations?

Well,

Bill and I have had these fascinating conversations for years,

Which was the whole premise of getting it on the radio so that others can share in his wisdom and hopefully gain something.

It does help ground me because there have been times I would be in the middle of a major meltdown and I'd be calling Bill going,

All right,

What's going on?

Why am I feeling this way?

What's happening?

And just from the things I've been learning,

Number one,

Not taking things so personally.

It makes sense when we can understand.

I mean,

Think back.

We're all created from the same matter.

We are made of star stuff,

Just like Carl Sagan said.

And I like to use that probably as an excuse when things are being up-heaved in the cosmic and so when something like this is going on,

It helps ground me where I can say,

Okay,

I know this is not my energy.

I just have to figure out what's the lesson here?

What am I learning from this?

And what is a solution and a direction that I can move forward and get through this as gracefully as possible?

And I think probably all the conversations that we do have,

Have those components in there.

You know,

What are these lessons for us?

And that's something everyone can ask.

What are we learning?

How can we move forward?

How can we be a better person from this?

Because I think,

You know,

Things don't happen to us.

I think things happen for us.

And when the universe throws things in our general direction,

It's always a chance to learn.

It's always a chance to grow.

And I think that's probably been my biggest lesson through all of these is really to pay attention and learn what I can learn from this and grow from it.

So well said.

And I think that's really what life is really all about is the lessons we need to learn and that we sure are being thrown a lot of lessons we can learn from.

And it's like,

Okay.

And I don't want to say bring it on,

But it's already coming on.

So it's like,

Okay,

You know,

Well,

I would offer that we're not kindergarten anymore.

We're in the higher levels here.

So it's coming at you a little faster and expecting your response a little quicker.

Yes.

So I would like to add here that the Pluto Jupiter conjunction that is now opposite the United States Mercury,

This really is suggesting don't believe anything that you see here,

Read or whatever until you've checked it out.

Because there's plenty of opportunity for agendas to be dominant here,

Particularly to the country as a whole.

Secondly,

We have a Neptune thing going on,

Which is affecting this notion of us getting down to our ideals as a country and recognizing,

You know,

Since the George Floyd incident here that those ideals are not really being lived by.

Yeah.

Well,

It's been fascinating.

I just love talking to both you,

Tanya,

And you,

Bill.

And thank you for your spirit chat.

And I know you do have your spirit chat blog site up and your website as well.

So thank you for doing that.

That's spirit.

It's under spirit chat,

Right?

Spirited chat radio.

Wonderful.

Well,

Thank you so much.

And you take care of yourself and keep on that positive energy.

Okay.

Yeah.

Thank you for having us again.

Cindy.

It's always fun.

Yes.

Aloha.

Bye bye.

All right.

Bye bye.

Bye.

Bye.

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