And I have a special guest on the line with me from Hong Kong,
Anita Morjani.
It's so good to talk to you again,
Anita.
Oh,
It's great to talk to you.
It's too bad we only talk once a year before coming to Maui.
I know,
But you know,
Isn't it nice that you get to come to Maui and it's really getting close now.
The I Am Light event is going to be happening January 24th and the 25th at the beautiful Western Maui.
And Dr.
Wayne Dyer,
Of course,
Bringing this all together with you and Immaculie Ilibigaza and also a new guest that I haven't had a chance to meet.
I've met you and I've been there and heard you talk and I've heard Immaculie.
Actually,
I think that was back in June when Dr.
Dyer had his event.
You were there as well.
But there's a new guest as well.
Scarlett Lewis is on a new edition who's coming in to speak as well.
And it's kind of timely because it was actually the Sandy Hook event that brought her to understand how important forgiveness is.
Absolutely.
Yeah,
Absolutely.
Of course,
We all learn at some point how important forgiveness is,
Right?
Because that's one of the clearing houses you have to go through,
Right?
I mean,
That is one of the key clearing houses to get done before you leave your body,
I think,
Right?
Yes,
Exactly.
But I think the key is to clear yourself long before you leave your body.
I mean,
The earlier you clear,
The clearer your life becomes as you live it.
I mean,
My philosophy is do it as soon as you realize you have to do it or do it as soon as you realize that it creates a better life for you to clear.
Otherwise,
I feel that it's a little bit of a waste when you realize on your deathbed,
Which is what happened to me.
And that's why I share my story.
Well,
You wrote this book was such a blessing,
Dying to Be Me,
My Journey from Cancer to Near Death to True Healing.
And I remember when it was one of those books when I was reading it that I really just didn't want to,
Did not want to put it down.
It was the way you wrote it and the stories you told were so entrancing.
I mean,
Truly,
You could see yourself through your eyes,
Which is a gift to be able to actually experience what you were experiencing.
I came across so clearly in this book,
Anita.
And I guess for those that may not have heard your story,
Maybe you can explain a little back story on how you came to write this book.
Yes.
In fact,
I was diagnosed with cancer,
With lymphoma in 2002,
Which progressed over a period of four years.
And by 2006,
January 2006,
I had reached what would be considered final stages,
The final stages of life or the final stages of cancer,
Where the doctors and everybody had given up hope and they told my family it was only a matter of time.
Then I reached a point where I went into a coma where the doctors said this was it.
I was not going to come out of the coma.
By that point,
I weighed about 85 pounds.
I was being kept alive with food tubes.
So I was connected to IV and I was being fed through food tubes,
Nutrition tubes.
And also I had these big open skin lesions where the toxins were coming out of my skin.
My lungs were filled with fluid.
I was constantly choking on my own fluid as I lay lying down.
And my legs,
The muscles in my body were completely deteriorated.
So I hadn't been able to walk or anything.
My mobility had come in the form of a wheelchair.
I was piped to oxygen.
And so finally,
When I went into the coma,
The doctors told my family that now my organs had shut down and that these were my final hours.
But while I was in a coma,
Unbeknownst to everybody,
I was actually aware of everything that was happening around me.
I was aware of my family and I was aware of the doctors and everything they were doing.
But even beyond that,
I became aware of my deceased father who was there greeting me and my best friend who I had lost to cancer two years prior.
And I felt as though they were there to greet me and to help me in the process of crossing over.
And I became aware of all the things that were also happening,
Not just in this physical realm,
But also other lives.
And it felt as though wherever I put my awareness,
There I was.
So I was aware that my brother here in this life,
Who was in India,
And this was happening to me in Hong Kong,
I was aware that he was getting on a plane trying to reach me before I died.
And so I was aware I had to at least try and stay alive till he got to see me.
And my husband was sitting by my bed,
The bed in my body,
And he was holding my hand and he was willing me to come back.
And yet I felt a level of detachment.
But even though I felt a level of detachment of what was going on here in this physical world,
I felt what I can only describe as a feeling of pure unconditional love,
A love that I had never,
Ever felt before.
It was like the whole universe loved me,
Like everybody,
Every being,
Every being that has ever lived,
And all my loved ones.
And basically,
I felt like I had just become one with all of them.
I felt that when we are not expressing through our physical bodies,
I was pure consciousness,
Because I no longer had the physical bodies.
And this pure consciousness was not separate from anybody else's pure consciousness.
So it was like I could feel what everybody else was feeling,
And including everybody that was still living and alive here in this physical world,
And everybody that had crossed over.
And this feeling,
It was like a connection with everyone.
It was like God,
It's the closest thing I can describe to what I would call God.
It was like I was not disconnected from God,
God and I were one,
And there was no separation between me and God.
It was really incredible.
It's like when people say,
I am God,
I know now this is what they mean.
It was like I merged with God,
I merged with pure consciousness.
And God is actually all of us,
God is the combination of all of us,
And God is the expression of all of us.
And it was just the most beautiful feeling where I felt that I was loved without even having to prove myself,
Which is what I had always felt here.
And all the pain was gone,
And all the fear was gone,
It was just the most incredible,
Indescribable feeling.
And it was a state of clarity where I seemed to understand everything.
It was like everything was known.
I understood why it was that I was lying in that hospital bed dying.
I understood how every choice,
Excuse me,
And every decision that I had made in my life had led me to that point of being in that hospital bed,
Dying on that day,
In that point of time.
It was just the most amazing clarity.
And I even understood what had caused my cancer.
I understood that it was all the fears,
All the decisions I had made from a place of fear that had taken me down a path of fear.
And I realized that I had spent a lifetime of not loving myself and of treating myself like a doormat and always putting myself last and making myself small.
I'd spent a lifetime of beating myself up and eventually leading a life of fear and beating myself up.
And a culmination of all of this and every decision made out of fear instead of love had led me to this point in time in my life.
You know,
You express it so beautifully.
I mean,
I had a very similar experience when I was 15 and I went into a state where I merged with God.
And it was like cosmic consciousness and experience very,
Very similar to what you just experienced.
Although I wasn't on my deathbed,
I believe,
You know,
You can even experience that same feeling without dying by just being able to merge with the higher self and God.
And,
You know,
The thing is,
What I felt at that time,
Which I still remember is the greatest love I've ever felt ever in my life,
Was that the hardest part was to leave it.
Because the feeling is so unbelievably perfect and wonderful that the hardest choice was to return.
And there was a conscious decision to come back and try to share messages and try to serve.
And you see how important that service and trying to share that message is with people.
Because it's so different that when many people think and have fears about death,
Once you experience that,
You want,
Gosh,
People just knew how wonderful it really is.
But the hardest part for me was coming back.
Was it difficult for you to leave that love?
Oh,
Incredibly difficult.
It was the hardest thing to leave it.
And I want to say I agree with you that you don't have to die to know this and to experience this,
Which is why I share it.
Because I think it's unfortunate that people learn it after they die.
I think they need to know it while they're fully alive and living life.
And so,
Yes,
It's highly possible to have these experiences.
But yes,
It was incredibly difficult to leave that state.
Because I felt that my father was encouraging me to come back.
But I didn't want to come back.
I thought,
Why would I come back into this painful world and this painful body where I was suffering and everyone else was suffering?
I could see no reason to come back.
But I felt as though my father and even my best friend were trying to tell me that I still had things waiting for me that I had to do.
And also,
I felt that my purpose was linked with my husband.
And if I didn't come back,
He wouldn't be able to complete his purpose either.
And so we had a joined purpose.
And I felt that,
You know,
In that state of clarity,
What happened eventually is my father was encouraging me to come back.
I felt as though I had these gifts.
My father,
It was like my father was communicating to me that there are these gifts waiting for you and you've already suffered enough.
And if you don't go back,
You will be missing out on the gift.
The rewards that you got.
The rewards.
Yeah,
The rewards for all the suffering or basically the lessons from all the suffering.
So the suffering would have been in vain if I didn't go back to receive the gifts or the rewards from what I had learned from the suffering.
And the rewards have been extended that you got.
You have since the time of writing your book reached out to thousands of people,
Maybe more than thousands,
Through not only the book,
But through your website.
And you just finished a Hay House special workshop that you did.
And I think you've been able through those sites to really be able to make a difference in people's life.
Maybe you'd like to share your Facebook site and what you're teaching now.
Sure.
In fact,
My website is AnitaMourjani.
Com.
I also have a Facebook page called Anita Mourjani.
Please join my page and click like.
But I've also created Facebook communities where people come to my page.
I have an author discussion group where we discuss the book and also a lot of the things that are spoken about in the book.
And what I do is every now and then,
Whenever I have time,
I come online.
Of course,
I can't be on all the time because of all the traveling and the writing and all I'm doing.
But I announce ahead of time that I'm going to be online on the Facebook page at a certain time,
On a certain date.
And at that point in time,
Like say for an hour or for 90 minutes,
I'm available and I just type as fast as I can.
And I just answer everybody's questions who come online and start asking me questions.
And what's the Facebook site?
What is that name of that Facebook site?
So if they actually can find it,
If they just join my Facebook page,
Which is just Anita Mourjani.
And so I usually do my online chat on that page.
And if they inquire through that page or if they inquire through my website under the comments,
Sorry,
Under the contact,
If they send a message,
The autoresponder will have a link to my other discussion group,
My Facebook page discussion group.
Well,
I love that.
I think that is such a nice thing.
And I know there's been for,
Gosh,
Almost a couple of years you've been working on the sequel or I don't know if it's actually going to be a sequel,
But your next book.
Yes,
And it's been slow going because I've been so busy.
I found that what I really enjoy doing is live public speaking and I love that.
So I've been traveling doing that.
But my book is coming along and I'm hoping it'll be released next year.
And just so you know what it's about and a lot of what I talk about right now is why is it so hard to put these things into practice?
Because most people that have read not just my book,
But Louise Hay's book,
Wayne Dyer's book and,
You know,
Many of the Hay House authors books,
You know the importance of loving yourself,
Because this is what I talk about in my book.
Learning to love myself is what saved my life.
It was realizing on that side that everything I had done had come from a place of fear and not from a place of loving myself.
And we all know now it's been hammered into us if you've done any courses,
Read any books,
Learning to love yourself is so important.
And I always say love yourself like your life depends on it because it does.
Okay,
But why is it so hard for people to put this into practice?
And the reason is because our culture,
Our environment,
Excuse me,
Does not support this thinking.
And when people do start practicing it,
They get judged.
And I want you to think about this.
Think about how if you walk into a room full of people and you talk about how much you love whoever,
It could be your partner,
Your spouse,
Your pet,
Your children,
And everyone will go,
Oh,
That's so sweet.
That's so cute.
And that's wonderful.
But imagine talking about how much you love yourself.
Even the thought of it makes you cringe.
That's true.
It is true.
And I want people to be aware.
This is not like when you had this experience and you were dying,
You were already spiritually aware.
You were eating healthy food.
You tried everything.
It's not like you were just someone who had been living totally unaware.
And I think that's an important thing for people to realize.
I mean,
You'd already been doing a lot of things really right.
But the bottom line is that you can be doing a lot of things right and still have deeply buried feelings about self-worth.
And in fact,
Sometimes I think people who are seeking,
Spiritually seeking and wanting that do have a lot of issues because they're so sensitive about self-worth.
Yes.
And I'm so glad you brought it up,
Because,
Yes,
It is a very important point for you to know that I thought I was being very spiritual.
Everything I did came from the place of wanting to be more spiritual,
More healthy.
I was very aware about everything that caused cancer.
So I did a lot of juicing.
I grew my own wheatgrass.
I ate organic.
I was vegan.
I followed Ayurveda.
I followed traditional Chinese medicine.
I meditated.
I chanted.
I did all of those things.
I was the poster child of healthy eating and spirituality.
But here's what I discovered when I was in that realm,
That everything I did came from a place of fear,
Fear of cancer,
Fear of not being spiritual enough,
Fear of not being good enough,
Not from a place of loving myself and doing these things to enhance my life.
And weirdly,
I now realize I don't have to do anything to be spiritual.
You already are spiritual.
We are spiritual.
We were born spiritual.
All we have to do is be who we are.
Be who you were created to be.
Be who you came here to be.
Because being yourself and being spiritual is one and the same thing.
So beautifully put.
So important.
Absolutely so important.
And this is such a key.
And truly,
If we can embrace who we truly are,
We realize that I think at some point in the light,
Like you did,
That when we are in the light,
We can see that we have chosen to be exactly who we are and where we are.
And that is what we came here for.
And that is okay to love that because that is our choice.
You know,
We have chosen to be here and we've chosen to be with the people.
We've chosen to learn the lessons we've learned.
And you have a wonderful book and I'm just running out of time because I've got another interview coming up here.
But I feel so blessed every time I talk to you,
That energy of that light and the love who you are really comes through.
And when people go to the event happening at the West End,
They will feel that and they will experience that.
And boy,
What a powerhouse between you and Dr.
Dyer and Immaculee.
And people really,
It's only a few tickets left folks.
So do not be left out.
Really do not be left out.
This is truly a life-changing experience.
And you can go and call 866-716-8812 or go to hayhouse.
Com slash events.
That's 866-716-8122.
And yeah,
You can get on board on this one.
But don't be left out.
It will be sold out before the event because this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to see you and Immaculee and Dr.
Wayne Dyer.
And the energy is so full of love and that light that it just being in the presence of it makes you feel good.
Thank you.
Yeah.
And Wayne Dyer has been an amazing,
Amazing influence and mentor in my life.
Yes.
Yes.
He lives,
He really lives the light.
So I'm so glad his subject matter is light because that is at the heart of it all.
So thank you and God bless you for what you do.
And I'd love to,
I know you're always busy when you get here.
But I'd love to have you come by the studio if you have a chance in January.
And I'd love to show you around Maui.
And it's just,
It's really a blessing to talk to you.
So thank you so much.
Thank you,
Cindy.
And I look forward to seeing you in Maui.
Yes,
A big aloha to you and happy travels.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
God bless you.
God bless you too.
Bye bye.
