Nassim Haramein On Quantum Science

Nassim Haramein is also the CEO of Torus Tech LLC and CEO of ARK LLC. He is developing advanced resonance technologies for energy production and gravitational control. These applications are based on over 30 years of research in physics, mathematics, geometry, cosmology, quantum mechanics, biology, as well as cultural anthropology and archeology.

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Welcome to the Spied Evolution and guys,

It is such a treat to be here today.

Or maybe it just is,

We just all are and we're all just here today.

So we've got with us Naseem Paramein.

Naseem,

How are you brother?

I'm good.

And you?

Yeah,

I'm fantastic.

We were talking a little bit just before about,

I don't know about the rest of the world,

But I'm good.

Touchy-w Let me do the honors.

For those tuning into Naseem for the first time,

He's a world leader in unified physics.

He spent over 30 years,

That's 30 years,

Three decades researching and discovering connections in physics,

Mathematics,

Geometry,

Cosmology,

Quantum mechanics,

Biology,

Chemistry.

And as if that wasn't enough,

Also a little bits of anthropology and ancient civilizations.

He's the founder of the Hawaii Institute of Unified Physics and the Resonance Project.

It is such a pleasure to have you here today.

I can't even begin to confess.

Thank you.

I have to admit,

This was one of the most,

Like,

I always feel the sensations before I go into an interview.

And this was one of the most,

I felt like,

Oh,

Going into an interview with Naseem.

Like,

I have no idea where this is going to go,

Just because we can talk about anything and everything.

Sure.

Yeah.

So tell me,

Where does your passion for just everything that you explore come from?

Like just this quest?

Because you're both,

What would you put the ratio at?

Are you two parts philosopher and four parts physicist and scientist?

What's going on here?

I'm a hundred part mystic.

Perfect.

I love that.

And what science is just one of the tools?

Yeah.

Well,

You know,

I don't know.

I do a lot of physics,

But you know,

I don't like boxes.

I don't like titles.

You know,

I'm not attached to those.

I do a lot of physics because I'm interested in the way the universe works,

Nature in general,

And how we got here and how is it that all of a sudden we're able to not only have cognition that we are here,

That we exist,

But as well as deep questions about our environment and the universe.

And,

You know,

For me,

Many of the answers I couldn't find.

And I,

And you know,

Biology was one thing,

But biology is a scale that is much bigger than the components that make it,

You know,

The atoms and the subatomic particle and all this stuff.

And I plunged into physics and for the last 35 years and been going at it.

And I found that there was a lot of answers we didn't have.

And unlike what people tend to think that like physicists know a lot about the nature of reality,

In general,

There's very fundamental answers that have not been properly addressed.

And that was really part of my quest was to answer these questions and unify physics because currently it's split.

Yeah,

Fascinating because I thank you so much for sharing that because I remember having this conversation early on when just back in my engineering lecturing days and some of the,

I don't want to say better than the lecturers,

But some of the lectures that intrigued me,

We would have these conversations in terms of,

You know,

I'm an engineer,

But you know,

It seems to be that the people that I value and respect,

They have this deep philosophical relationship with the understanding of God,

The universe,

They've at least thought about it,

You know,

At least taken a moment to actually think about it rather than the outside perspective on a scientist or an engineer is like,

Oh,

Like,

Yeah,

He's very much bricks and mortar in the world,

You know?

And then like,

It's this perception that you're very material and not existential and not metaphysical,

Not in that mysticism space.

And then when I asked the question,

One of the feedback points I got was,

Hey,

It's like,

For those,

We're actually just seeking like answers,

But what are we seeking answers from?

You know?

And I was like,

Oh yeah,

That makes a lot of sense.

So yeah,

Would you justify the secret to kind of be the same sort of energy that you're presenting?

I think probably if you look at the history and the lives of some of the greatest minds in science and certainly in physics you would find that most of those people,

You know,

Were had a pretty large,

You could say metaphysical or philosophical understanding,

Or at least you know,

Ambitions and that they were very much,

You know,

Probing,

Probing in the philosophical way before trying to apply it to mathematics or hard physics or so on.

And the reason for that is,

And we saw that in the evolution of physics later on where the tendency was to just go with the math and just follow where the math leads you.

And that can lead you astray.

Actually some of the better physicists on the planet today are writing articles and actually hold books about how mathematics led us astray in the last decade or a few decades of physics with string theory and many other approaches that requires very large mathematical formalisms that lead to very highly complex systems that,

You know,

Don't necessarily apply to a reality and that cannot be verified.

And I think,

I mean,

The best example is definitely string theory where,

You know,

Basically you get to the end of all these mathematical gyrations and you end up with like 10 to the 500 answers of what the string compactification or the structure of space could look like.

So you know,

For me,

They must have,

You know,

Early on,

I thought nature is complex in its making,

But to me it was,

There was evidence that it had a simple base that like from a simple understanding,

From a simple and clear base,

You could get high level of complexity.

And so that you didn't need to understand the complexity,

But you had to understand the fundamental base of it.

And so,

You know,

And that eventually led to the understanding like in mathematics where you have fractal systems where you have a very simple equation and through iteration of the equation,

You get very complex systems.

Yeah,

I love that.

But you know,

I think a lot of things that have to do with advanced physics as well have to do with a certain amount of esoteric knowledge.

And the physicists may not realize that as they write the physics or as they make the discovery,

They don't necessarily make a direct association,

You know,

Between what is being found and what has been said in philosophies throughout the ages and by,

You know,

Very advanced thinkers throughout the ages that may have not been physicists,

So they didn't express it in physics,

But that understood these principles.

Yes,

One of the things that I love about your work is we talk about,

I consistently get the impression that,

You know,

You eradicate the delineation between,

How do I describe this?

I consistently feel like I'm an emergent property of the universe,

If that makes sense,

You know,

Like I am the universe experiencing myself,

You know,

Which is like,

And I'm not just an object in space,

I'm an extension of space is something that I've heard you say and it just,

Every time I hear you say that,

It's like,

Yeah,

Of course,

We're so disconnected and I know connection is.

Just to give credit where credit is due,

That was Einstein.

Einstein made,

There's a famous quote from Einstein where he talks about an object is an extension of the space.

It's not separate from the space.

I love that.

And so tell us more about connection and because your whole work,

You know,

Points to the interconnectedness of,

Is it safe to say everything?

Yeah,

Everything is correct.

Let's have a conversation about this.

Yeah,

These articles that just came out of scientists that are working with entanglement right now and that realizing that entanglement is not just between two particles,

But that entanglement is,

You know,

Can be described as actually the whole universe being entangled with every particle.

This is emerging right now.

It's been part of the physics I've been writing for 20 years,

But it's good that other physicists are arriving to the same conclusion,

But as well are able to do experiments to demonstrate it and there is some experiments that are going on right now where they're able to do that.

They're able to verify that there's correlation between particles beyond just two photons,

You know,

Entangled with each other.

But deeper than this,

It means that there's a fundamental field of information that drives all of creation and field is interacting with all of the material world and,

You know,

This is something that you find in philosophy all around the world and,

You know,

Spiritual practice all around the world in ancient civilization,

You know,

Many advanced masters talked about it,

But unless it's defined in physics,

Then it's a nice thought,

But it seems unrealistic,

Right?

Because you're thinking,

Wait,

You know,

What do you mean?

You know,

How is everything connected to this field?

You know,

I don't see any field.

I don't feel any field like,

You know,

I mean,

Why would I think in any shape or form that I'm connected to you?

Where are you?

You're in Australia?

Yeah,

In Melbourne.

Right,

In Melbourne.

Right.

So,

You know,

I'm in Southern California,

You're in Melbourne.

How are we connected?

Right.

And then,

You know,

What's connecting us?

Well,

The thing is,

Is that our senses are so limited.

It's playing tricks on us.

Right.

And we know that since the last century,

You know,

We've learned that,

For instance,

This electromagnetic fields that we don't see,

You know,

We've learned that like the electromagnetic spectrum is not just the little teeny part of the spectrum that we can see,

But it has,

You know,

Many different wavelengths and frequency that we don't see,

Right?

There's infrared,

Ultraviolet,

You know,

All the things we can't see.

And so,

You know,

In the field between you and the book casing behind you and all this stuff,

There's electromagnetic fields you don't see,

Right?

There's ultraviolet,

There's infrared,

There's x-ray,

You know,

There's background radiation from the galaxy,

There's like,

There is,

You know,

Microwave for your cell phones,

It's like all this stuff that's going on.

And you think it's not there,

You think,

You know,

Because you don't experience it directly,

You know,

Even when you turn on your cell phone and you're talking to someone,

You don't realize,

Wow,

You know,

I'm actually,

You know,

Talk like my information is going through the field and it's bouncing out.

The perception of the space between the matter.

Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah.

Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah.

So we tend to forget about the space between stuff.

And then,

You know,

We could say,

For instance,

Between you and Melbourne and me in Southern California,

Right,

There's the earth,

Right?

So the earth is producing a gravitational field and you could think of that gravitational field as gravitational waves and those gravitational waves are connecting us,

Right?

And so all of a sudden,

Oh yeah,

You know,

I am connected to NSIM on the other side of the world because I'm on the same planet and I'm part of the same field.

And then you can start to think,

Wow,

Is there,

You know,

A human field,

Like a morphogenetic field that it was,

You know,

That was thought of by scientists.

And you know,

And so when you study quantum mechanics,

Actually quantum field theory,

You realize,

Wait,

There is a lot of space in atoms.

Atoms are made of 99.

9999999% space.

And in that space,

It's not empty.

It's full of electromagnetic fluctuations called quantum vacuum fluctuations that are very dynamic.

It's just buzzing with energy at that scale.

And you know,

So the space is not empty.

It's actually full.

And to think of our,

You know,

Of space as empty is inappropriate.

Is it inaccurate?

Is that why they call it plasma now?

You could call it a plasma.

You can call the structure of space a plunk plasma.

I've started to call it that way,

But that would be difficult for some physicists to understand because a plasma is a gas that's highly ionized,

Where the particles are in a very high level of energy,

Lots of free electrons.

And it has its own property.

And this is an interesting point we could talk about if we have a minute.

You know,

Not only are we limited by our senses,

But we're limited by our history.

So we tend to like learn things and then we have a hard time on learning them,

Meaning we get attached to them in a certain way.

We might not even know we're attached to them.

And it's giving us the wrong impression.

So this is a simple one,

But it's a nice one to realize.

We first discovered matter,

Right?

We knew matter was there and we knew that one state of matter could be liquid because we saw water and we knew,

Oh,

Water is different than solid matter.

But we knew both were matter,

But they were different,

Right?

Different states.

So we started to define different states of matter.

So there was solid,

Liquid,

And we realized the liquid could become a gas.

And then we said,

Oh,

This gas,

Each of the different states of matter have different behaviors,

Right?

I have a behavior like this,

Water has a behavior like this.

And then eventually when we got better at physics and more experiments,

We discovered plasma.

And so we said,

Oh,

Plasma is a fourth state of matter because it has its own property.

It behaves its own way.

Plasma does things that gas and fluids don't do or matter and so on.

So it's its own thing.

And so we added a fourth state of matter.

The thing is,

Is that we discovered this all backwards.

That is,

We discovered plasma last.

So it's like we think of the states of matter as like solid,

Liquid,

Gas,

And then we go,

Oh yeah,

There's plasma.

Yeah,

Like when you put the pebbles in the jar.

Right?

Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah.

Okay.

So what it is,

Is if you look at the universe,

The universe is made out of 99.

9999999% plasma.

That's the space between all the pebbles.

So the rest of the stuff is actually plasma that's cooled down,

Right?

It's like,

You know,

Matter is basically plasma that's cooled down.

It emerged from a star in the state of plasma.

It cools down.

It makes planets.

It's like,

You know,

Gather water and like,

You know,

So,

And,

And you end up with something like this and the little human on it thinking,

Oh yeah,

You know,

This,

Those are the important states of matter is the solid,

The liquid and the gas.

And then the plasma is another thing.

But in fact,

The most fundamental state,

The only state,

Or,

You know,

The only fundamental state of matter is plasma.

Right?

And that's where it all starts.

And so when we discovered this fundamental field that in quantum fields theory that,

That,

That the vacuum,

That space is not empty,

But full of this electromagnetic fluctuation,

But the wavelengths are very,

Very,

Very short and the frequency is very,

Very high and it's happening at billions of times smaller than an atom like these oscillation.

So we didn't know what's there.

So we thought it was empty,

Right?

When you look at it,

You could absolutely call it a Planck scale plasma or a vacuum plasma,

Right?

It's like highly energetic field that we didn't know was there.

And we're discovering.

Is this the conversation around zero point energy?

Is this kind of what it is?

Sure.

It's called zero point energy by Einstein and,

Um,

It's just abundant free energy.

The other scientist's name right now,

I'm having a senior moment,

But,

Uh,

It,

Uh,

Um,

You know,

They called it zero point energy because basically in the mathematics,

It shows that even if you could cool something at absolute zero,

You know,

Zero,

You,

It would still oscillate.

You still wouldn't be able to kill it.

You wouldn't be able to stop it from oscillating from being energetic.

Right?

So it's called zero point energy.

It's energy that's there even at zero.

Fundamentally.

Yeah.

Fundamentally there.

And so,

Um,

When,

Uh,

When I was digging through physics and trying to get like,

Okay,

You know,

We have a nice thing.

It's called mass.

Okay.

We have a nice thing.

It's called energy.

Okay.

We have a nice thing called electromagnetic fields.

We have a nice thing called gravity.

Those are nice little boxes we made.

Right.

But,

But it's like,

Okay,

What made the box in the first place?

How did this stuff come to,

You know,

What is energy?

What is mass?

Right.

We have a nice equation says E equals MC square,

Right?

Everybody knows that one.

Nowadays with the new generation,

By the time they're three,

They know it because they've been on the net,

You know,

But you know,

So it's a nice equation.

It's useful to have an equality between things,

But if you look at the equation,

Um,

On one side you have M right.

And so representing mass,

But if you ask if it says,

What is mass?

It's like,

Oh,

We don't know what mass is,

Right?

It's undefined.

Right.

So,

So yeah,

Mass.

Okay.

And then beside it,

You have C square.

So C is the speed of light.

So if you ask a physicist,

Why the speed of light is the speed of light,

Oh,

We don't know.

Right.

So basically you're multiplying the mass,

Which is an unknown by another unknown,

Which is the speed of light.

And on the other side,

You have equal energy,

Which cannot be anything else than an unknown,

Since you don't know what the right is.

You don't know what the left is.

So now you have a nice equivalence between three unknowns.

I have no idea where that shit comes from.

And like somehow it's,

It's perfectly equivalent.

Right.

And it rules the dynamics of our physics.

So to me,

It's like,

I mean,

It's,

It's,

I'm not criticizing it.

It is,

It was,

You know,

Special relativity was very important in theory and it was really good that Einstein found this.

It's just that we need,

We needed to go deeper,

Right.

And start,

Yeah.

What is mass?

That's the key there.

If you figure out what mass is,

There's a good chance you got to figure out why the speed of light is this feel light and,

And why,

You know,

And what energy is.

And if you figure out how energy comes to be in our world,

Then you have a path,

Possibility to extracting energy directly from its source,

Instead of trying to produce it,

You know,

Like colliding energy sources to each other,

Colliding stuff or,

You know,

Like,

You know,

All the ways that we've come up like damming stuff.

Right.

So so,

You know,

For me,

It was a worthy expedition into the depth of physics.

Are we getting any closer to learning how to,

Those answers?

Yeah.

Absolutely.

I mean,

I,

We're getting much closer and,

And,

And one of the reasons we're getting much closer globally,

And I write my equations on my windows in the laboratory because I always run out of whiteboards.

And so if you saw my windows right now,

I could give you the answer because in the last six months with the help of other physicists,

One being Olivier Roy,

I was able to solve some of these very fundamental equations,

But,

But globally we're getting much closer.

And the reason why we're going much,

Getting more,

Much closer is that there was a realization that took a few decades that energy and information are equivalent,

That there's an equivalence.

This is another equivalence between energy and information.

And that was early.

It was more philosophical and certainly on the fine edge of physics,

But but eventually it was utilized to describe the thermodynamics of black holes and it gives the correct answers and it solved some of the issues with information which,

You know,

Information paradox,

Which,

Which is,

It's a paradox,

But only in the mind of humans.

I think it's an artifact of misinterpretation of some equation early on by Hawking.

But basically,

Basically this field that we were discussing is a field of information.

You could call it a field of energy.

Yes,

But this,

But since energy is equivalent to information,

We can write the physics in terms of information bits.

Like if the universe is made out of voxels or I mean,

Pixels is what people know better,

But a voxel is a volumic pixel and these pixels are teeny.

They're really teeny.

If I grew one of those pixels,

So it's a grain of sand,

The proton would be from here to Alpha Centauri,

40 trillion kilometers.

Whoa.

Yeah.

So,

And so we didn't know the voxels were there.

Right.

And so that's informing,

That's informing the makeup of everything we've got.

One of the interesting things that just dropped in before the question I really want to ask you is when we're talking about information as energy,

It brings up a really interesting case for the conversation around artificial intelligence,

Because there's so much information that's being transited in that space.

It's the end,

Like,

Cause we do kind of feel that the digital is not alive,

But energy is kind of has this illusion or this,

This,

It alludes to the property of aliveness,

Right?

For me anyway,

I may be mistaken.

Right.

It's funny that you would go to artificial intelligence because you could go straight to intelligence.

Yeah.

Right.

Cause that was actually going to be my question,

But then I got stuck on the way here.

So basically you could,

You could definitely go from there and start and,

You know,

Beyond the equations we wrote,

In the making of being written right now,

Basically you could start thinking,

Well,

Maybe consciousness or intelligence is actually the way the information is flowing in that field.

Right.

And so that'd be a big leap because you got to write the math and the physics before you get there,

But I've done that.

So it's on the way.

I'm I'm like very,

Very close to a fundamental equation for consciousness,

But,

And,

And it has to do with the way the space time manifold curl on itself.

It has to do with what's called a kalucic line equation,

Which is a way that space time spins and,

And kalucic bottle,

But basically that information moves on itself and,

And when it feeds back,

The system learns about itself and when the system learns about itself,

It gets more and more complex,

You see,

And now it can self organize,

You know,

Because it's it knows what it's doing.

Right.

And eventually it would get more and more complex,

More and more complex,

You know,

From the plonk plasma all the way to like the atomic structure,

All the way like atoms scattering and then all the way into the biological structure and then the biological structure getting more and more complex until you get a hundred trillion cells like you,

You know,

That turns around and go,

Whoa,

How'd I get here?

What is this universe I'm in?

You know,

What is this?

How did I get here?

Right.

Which is like,

It would be like,

As Einstein described it,

The very extension of space looking back at itself.

Right.

I love that.

And so what is consciousness then?

Because it sounds like the consciousness is the universe.

Right.

Well,

That's the thing.

But there's lots of philosophy and some,

Some physics that's being written based on the idea that consciousness is fundamental.

It's like a new thing.

It used to be in physics conference when I was younger that if you actually said the C word,

You would,

It would be like,

It would be like a cataclysm has come and it would be like,

Oh my God,

Everybody would turn pale in the room.

You could say the F word all you want.

Yeah,

No problem.

But if you said the C word,

Like everybody would become silent and you could hear a pin drop.

Oh my God.

He said consciousness in a physics conference.

But nowadays,

You know,

In the last,

You know,

I'm,

I'm dating myself,

But in the last 10 years or 15 years now it's been become,

It has become acceptable and it's been,

It's almost been the new,

The new thing.

It's in vogue.

Exactly.

Physicists retire,

They start working on consciousness and they write really nice things about it.

The thing is,

Is if you don't define what consciousness is,

It's like you've again,

Replace it.

You replace the problem with another unknown.

In this case though,

You start to describe the mechanics of what consciousness is.

So I couldn't say to you,

It's all consciousness.

I would have to say to you,

It's all information and it's information that's learning about itself.

It's all interconnected and it's all feeding back in on itself.

Right.

And that would lead to your earlier question,

Which is AI.

If we get,

I don't think we're going to arrive at artificial intelligence the way you and I think about it,

The way we're going right now.

I think that's actually completely unrealistic.

But I think that eventually when we actually do a quantum computers based on the correct physics,

We will tap into this fundamental field.

And when we do,

Then it's very probable that we will be able to do what I would call is more synthetic intelligence.

I don't like the idea of artificial because it's not artificial.

You would be tapping into the same field of information of all consciousness,

Right?

It's just that it would be inside a synthetic structure instead of a biological like us.

Right,

Right,

Right.

Human made intelligence rather than God made intelligence is kind of what I think.

Well,

It's the same field.

All we would make is the container,

Right?

Yeah.

It would be a human made container instead of a universal container.

So let's take that journey to understanding a little bit around,

Okay,

So it's all we're all interconnected.

We're all feeding back in this one loop.

And I know having researched you that you talk about the physical is just a small percentage representation of the entire information field that is emanating us into presence.

So we've got a question about is it okay,

So there is that information for that's emanating us.

But then also that alludes to the obviously my experience,

Which is I'm a perspective on the universe.

What is that?

Like what's going on there?

What's going on?

Ask the question again.

So we all have a unique perspective,

Right?

Right.

And we're all coming from this like unified information field.

Right.

So why,

I guess the question I should probably ask is why the individuation or like what like yeah.

How do we end up individualizing?

Yeah,

Yeah.

Yeah,

Because I used to tell people the universe is fundamentally fractal,

You know,

Then people would say,

Well,

If it is,

Why doesn't everything look the same?

Right?

Like why for instance all humans don't look the same like,

You know,

Like clones.

But we are,

Because it's a little more complex of a fractal than what we write here on the world,

Right?

So it's,

You know,

It's a universal fractal.

So it's just not a simple code like the one we write,

But it's got the same dynamics in certain ways.

It's more complex because in every point the fractal is read,

Like the information red iteration is occurring in every point in such a way that each point perspective is part of the equation continuously changing.

It's like,

It's like if you wrote a fundamental equation for a fractal,

But that fundamental equation continuously changed as well.

So so,

So basically what I mean by that is if I put an object between you and I,

You see I'm examining you and you see this side of the object,

I see this side of the object,

Right?

So if this was spinning,

For instance,

You know,

I would say,

Oh,

It's going counterclockwise.

What would you say?

Clockwise.

Right.

So we're getting two sets of information about the same thing,

Right?

So nobody,

Because of your coordinates in space time,

Right?

Nobody experienced the universe from the same perspective.

Nobody gets the same information.

Nobody,

You know,

Every coordinates in space time get different sets of information.

And since it's a feedback that builds the structure,

Right?

You're feeding back different sets of information than me.

So then your structure ends up being different than me,

Right?

We still have hopefully,

You know,

All two arms,

Two legs,

You know,

A head,

You know,

Eyes and all this stuff.

But we look different,

Like every snowflake is different from the other snowflake because it's in different coordinates in space time.

So basically,

You know,

But then,

But then you can like,

But then think about it.

That means that you look at yourself,

You go,

Oh man,

I made a hundred trillion atom cells.

Each cell is in its own coordinates in space time.

So it's individualized.

And then each cell is made a hundred trillion atoms.

So each atom,

It's in its own coordinates in space time and then and then and then all the way down.

And that's why there's,

That is information in the structure of space.

This is the information network.

Yeah,

That's,

That's really driving home.

Something that I've been sitting with at this end is just the role of subjectivity with truth,

You know,

In that we are all like having this as subjective experience and it is,

You know,

We often feel like I'm trying to find my truth and trying to find my truth.

And it's like,

Yeah,

You do have an obligation to find your truth because you are this lens of the universe looking in.

So polish that to the best of your ability,

But you're never going to know ultimate truth because we all need to band together to actually be able to see that.

Right.

Because we are.

Yeah.

Cause it's the whole.

Yeah.

I love that.

So,

So,

So if you wanted to know ultimate truth,

Then knowing this and knowing that your senses are limited,

Which direction would you look for it?

You led me.

I know I had you not led me into the answer.

I would have said outside,

But yes,

Absolutely.

Inside,

Inwards,

That connection.

Yeah.

Because that's where all the information you can drill down,

Drill,

Drill,

Drill down.

Right.

So,

So,

So the information can like the field information connecting to you that has,

You know,

The,

The,

The link to all the other fields in the universe is through every one of your atoms,

Every one of your subatomic particle,

Every one of your plug,

Any one of your sub-plunk,

Whatever,

How long,

How far you want to be go.

But every time you go down the,

The information metric density gets much larger,

Much larger.

Right.

And the,

At the plug scale,

Each centimeter cube has a 10 to the 93 grams of information.

Right.

This is the mass of the universe is 10 to the 55.

So 10 to the 93 is 39 orders more information or energy than there is in all the observable universe in a centimeter cube of space.

And you're made out of a lot of centimeter cubes.

Okay.

So so if you drill down into your information set,

Which,

You know,

It just happens that many masters that have come to the earth said,

Like,

Go inside and you will find the universe.

You will find all answers.

You will find God,

Whatever they call it.

Right.

Is this practices of meditation and such?

Yeah.

Important.

And it's not even practices of meditation because that can sound religious or it's just that there's a part of you that's outside,

But there's a part of you that's inside,

You know,

And we,

We,

We don't know that because we're not brought up thinking about it.

Right.

But we are just looking outside and like being fascinated outside,

Not knowing that actually there's a set of information inside that can inform us about the outside.

So we think,

So we think that in science we can only discover by doing things on the outside,

Like experiments and things like that to discover science,

You know,

To discover certain laws of physics or scientific knowledge.

But in fact,

All the greatest discovery that has ever been made in science or otherwise were made by somebody having an idea on the inside.

It's really interesting you share that.

Yeah.

Cause like in India,

They studied the Vedas in South America.

They had all these understandings of the cosmology of the universe and they didn't have the instruments on the outside that we had in today's day and age,

But they had such a fundamental awareness of these things that yeah,

Now that you say it in this conversation,

It makes a lot of sense,

But like outside of this conversation,

It's like,

What are you talking about?

You know,

It's right.

Right.

Well,

You know,

That's the thing,

Uh,

You know,

This is what led Einstein to say,

Imagination is more important than facts and things like that,

You know,

Because any great thinker knows if they,

If they come up with an original thought that has a lot of validity,

They know where it came from.

Right.

There's things on the outside that can give you hints that can lead you along that can like,

But you have to have a self reflection on those things in order to like come up with a,

You know,

A beautiful theory or beautiful understanding or at least something somewhat complete.

I love that.

Naseem,

Share with us,

How do you deepen your connection to that field?

How do you deepen your connection to that presence of yeah,

Going inwards?

Um,

I think it's just by spending time being aware of it,

Just,

You know,

It's like anything,

If you don't practice,

You know,

It's not gonna just occur.

Like I was a ski coach for,

I don't know,

25 years at one point.

And I didn't,

You know,

Get good at skiing and,

You know,

I was one of the top ski coach,

Ski instructor in Canada,

You know,

Canada is a ski country.

You know,

I it's,

It was an achievement and I didn't get there by,

You know,

Sitting in front of the TV,

Watching some,

You know,

Binging on Netflix.

I got there by being out there skiing my ass off for many,

Many,

Many,

Many years.

You know,

Repetition,

Repetition,

And drilling down into all of the subtleties of how to get a ski,

You know,

To dance with gravity,

To line up all the bones to,

So that,

You know,

It's not on my muscles,

But it's on all the alignments and to make sure,

You know,

That my sensitivity of my foot under the ski rail,

You know,

That I would feel the edges like it was an extension of my being and,

You know,

And pressure control and all this.

So this took many,

Many,

Many years to achieve and internally out of like,

I don't know how many millions of turns I've made in my life,

You know,

Internally,

I would say that 10,

Maybe 10 of these turns were perfect,

Right?

You know,

Like many people would see me ski and say,

Oh,

No,

You're making amazing turns,

Right?

Like internally,

What I feel,

You know,

When it would just happen,

Like every snowflake that I cut on that turn was like perfectly cut,

Like there was,

You know,

Like,

You know what I'm saying?

And so same thing,

You know,

It's like,

If you don't spend time in your life exploring your internal self,

You know,

What you call your consciousness,

Your awareness,

Like,

Who are you?

Are you this thing that like,

You know,

Put all these filters throughout your life because you decide you were going to be this kind of person?

Sometimes it wasn't even us that put those filters there.

Yeah,

Exactly.

I mean,

I remember when I was a kid looking at the crowd and thinking,

Okay,

Would I want to be this kind of person or would I want to be this kind of,

Would I want to dress this way?

Like,

Do I want to identify with this subgroups,

You know,

Like Rastafarians or,

You know,

Like,

I don't know,

Like jocks,

You know,

Or,

You know,

And so,

So we've learned all these things and we forgot that we learned them.

So then we think it's us.

Right?

We think,

Oh,

I'm a ski instructor or I'm,

You know,

A podcast,

You know,

Internet person or I'm a physicist or you see,

That's why when you,

When you started,

I said,

I'm not,

I'm not good with boxes,

You know?

You know?

So it's like,

No,

What are we?

Wow.

We're an expression of the universe learning about ourselves.

So what,

You know,

Wow,

Let me explore that.

Let me check that out.

Maybe I want to belong to that,

You know,

Universal expression is what it is.

Yeah.

Awesome.

Hey,

I want to take that on a bit of a tangent,

But it's very relevant.

So I'm going to try and make a leap and I know you'll be able to go there with me.

So one of the things that you've mentioned and it's,

It's the whole conversation around,

What is originally understood as time space.

You've then gone and had a bit of a dance around it and called it memory space.

And then space memory,

Space memory.

Right.

And then maybe if you introduce us to what space memory is,

Then I can ask the question that I want to ask.

Like,

Yeah,

Tell us what's going on with time space and memory space,

Time and space memory.

Cause I'll ask my question and then maybe you can lead the whole way there.

So my question is knowing that,

Okay,

From when I researched with,

We're kind of moving through space,

Right.

And we're leaving bits of information on the space over what we perceive to be time,

But it's actually memory,

Right?

So now I'm kind of giving your,

Your talk to everybody in front of you.

That's awesome.

But,

But what,

From there,

What I,

What I gathered was,

Yeah,

So we're leaving bits of memory and maybe,

You know,

We've had Dr Rupert Sheldrake on here before he's talked about morphic,

Morphic resonance and fields like that.

And perhaps the information feeds back to my energetic signature further along that distance of space,

Because it was my chemtrail,

If you will,

That I left behind me.

But the interesting piece for me,

That has been most front and center has actually been how deeply that seeded a premise for good moral conduct,

Right.

Conversation around science,

Right.

Deep scientific conversation that you just shared in one of your talks.

For me,

It was like all of a sudden,

Hey,

I'm leaving these bits of information behind me that are propelling me forwards into,

And so now I've kind of gone into what,

But then also like,

Like the,

The conversation,

Like coming back to like,

What is,

What are we doing in this space?

Like in terms of leaving bits of information and then,

You know,

I think the moral consequences are just,

You know,

They,

They kind of blow my mind apart.

Yeah.

Well,

You know that,

Do you remember what I was saying earlier that like there's discoveries that are being made right now in laboratory that entangled particles,

Well,

What is being discovered is that particles are not only entangled in space,

But they entangled in time.

And that now they're,

You know,

And they're able to verify that in laboratory.

So now we're really getting there.

And this is,

This is why initially I modified,

You know,

Space time was Einstein.

You know,

He coined that term.

He coined it as a result of his equations and,

You know,

Kind of saw that space and time could not be,

You know,

That they were like intricate to each other.

But,

And so that's why,

I mean,

In modern times,

It's one word,

You know,

Space time.

So thing is,

Is if you ask what is,

Well,

Nevermind if you ask space,

What is space?

But if you ask time,

What time is,

It's not clear,

You know,

Time in physics is,

You know,

It's an arrow in,

You know,

Of time,

But it's not,

You know,

An arrow of time in some,

You know,

Minkowski space doesn't tell you what time is.

Right.

So,

So basically,

You know,

You know,

Time is not like a tick,

Tick,

Tick on your watch.

You know,

Your watch is just doing ticks based on,

You know,

What you program.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that we're like in coordination with the sun,

You know,

And the earth going around it and stuff,

But that's not fundamental time.

That's just time for humans.

Right.

So,

So,

So if you ask the question,

Like,

Why do we even have a concept of time?

How did we come up with this?

Right.

It's because we have a concept of evolution.

We see system evolve,

Like you put the ice in your,

The ice in your drink and you see it melt.

Right.

So it evolved from a cube of ice.

So you have an idea that this,

There is,

You know,

Consecutive actions,

You know,

In time that there is a linear evolution.

And so basically then you realize this is something that kind of got missed is like,

Well,

That means no memory,

No time.

If you have no memory,

You would have no idea.

If you have zero memory,

You would have no idea.

Each moment would be a brand new one.

You would have no idea that the cube was a cube before.

It would be just half melted.

And then it would be a little less melt,

More melted,

A little more and a little more.

And then there would be no cube.

And you'd never known there was a cube there because,

You know,

Right.

So,

So you had,

You would have no concept of time.

Now,

If time is fundamental,

That means that there must be fundamental memory.

And so I changed the word space time because space memory was more accurate,

Right?

They must be memory in the structure of space that make us believe that there's a linear time function.

And so I think,

Because we've got,

We're talking about information and then you're talking about memory and it's just like,

It's just information.

Yeah,

Exactly.

It's information on the structure of space that gives the linear concept of time.

But this information is not isolated.

This information,

Think of every,

You remember the voxel that makes up space.

Think of every voxel being a bit of information,

Like a bit on your computer,

Right?

And instead of a hard disk where the bit lives,

It's living in the hard disk of space.

That,

Which is fascinating because it also brings up the conversation that maybe we are just sub like that may not be just that may be subject to subjectivity as well,

Right?

Because then we are having our interaction with time from the linear perspective that we have it with the memory and the information,

But the way it's orchestrated in the plasma,

The way the data,

The information is organized,

How we can tap into that,

Connect to that.

I would be aware of it is.

So we're leaving a very specific trail in space.

That's you know,

Of information in the structure of space that the sun is moving through the galaxy.

The,

The,

The planets are spiraling around the sun.

We're leaving a very specific,

You can almost think about like putting your hand out,

Right?

And thinking and thinking about,

You know,

Like if,

If space was a crystal,

Right?

Like a,

Like a,

Like a fluid,

You know,

Like in front of your head and behind your hand,

It's leaving,

You know,

Like,

You know,

Turbulence.

Yeah,

Like a fish through the water.

You can see the little weight that it's left.

Right,

Right.

Like the trails that people will see when they take certain chemicals,

Right?

Absolutely.

They start seeing trails everywhere.

Yeah,

Like that.

And that's fascinating.

And that's what I was alluding to before is thank you so much for sharing that and taking us all the way so much deeper because yeah,

When you start realizing that and what you said before about the interconnectedness and then the feedback,

You're feeding back from your memory into the projection of what you perceive to be here and now,

The moral implications for leaving like a good,

A good moment in time behind you previously,

Like having done the wrong thing to inform the best version of yourself to show up.

Well,

There's two things you can look at it that way.

One,

So remember,

Entanglement in time,

That means that time functions are entangled in the past.

So that means that from a time moment present,

You can still influence the past.

So you can look at the errors you made as things you can fix and learn from,

Right?

So that you produce a future trail,

Right?

That is changing your future vectors,

Right?

And we're talking about healing.

Yeah.

Healing at all the levels,

You know?

Because if you heal the feedback of information,

Then whatever your body is expressing should be the result of that new feedback,

Right?

So yeah.

And so that was one of the questions that flagged up from earlier and I'll,

Let's take it that little bit further,

Which is when we're talking about now the feedback and our ability to then,

Like,

That we can show up to basically,

You know,

Because there is no time,

We can have that dance in terms of rewriting the script for ourselves going forward to learn from our errors,

To improve the feedback,

And then perhaps even look back and go into the memory field,

Go inwards to do our work and project a better response to the one that we had and maybe that synthetic awareness can overlay somewhat to improve the feedback going forward,

So we're actually conducting that healing.

You also mentioned at the earlier part of the episode that we're completely quantumly entangled all together as one.

Wow,

This is the first time I'm actually in a conversation where I actually feel empowered when I start thinking about the word global healing because I've heard about it before and I have read the science response,

Like 100,

000 people in Boston will meditate in a park and then crime will decrease for five years.

But,

You know,

I love that because the mystic in me goes,

Yeah,

This is fantastic and it's like what a great mystery,

But in terms of actually writing,

Oh wow,

Like this is,

There's actually science behind how some of this goes in together,

So is that the space for global healing then?

Yeah,

Absolutely,

I think so.

I think it's a space for personal healing,

Global healing,

Any kind,

You know,

It's a space for personal growth,

Global growth,

Universal growth,

That's all how it occurs.

That's the thing,

It's fundamental to the way things work.

It's not some,

It's not some thing that's outside yourself in some like mystical space,

You know,

Where only certain people are allowed,

You know,

And certain people have the power to do this.

It's actually the way things work at all the levels and actually any of the masters that have come through,

You know,

That were real masters,

Not the ones that were just looking for attention,

But the ones that actually were real masters,

They all said,

You can all do this,

You can,

You know,

There's nothing I do that you can't do,

You know,

Actually some of them said you will do greater things than I did,

You know,

And so yeah,

I mean,

That's the thing,

We have this capacity to heal ourself,

To heal the world,

We can and,

You know,

Certainly in this current global situation,

It's a good thing to know.

Naseem,

I am so humbled to have had you on,

Thank you so much for your time,

Your energy,

Your inspiration,

Just yeah,

Actually grounding in so much of,

Yeah,

The spirituality into science,

Because I think it's,

You know,

Is it necessary or is it unnecessary,

That's a whole other conversation,

But I think just the function of the time that we're,

The time,

The memories have led us to this point,

That we feel compelled to need science for justification for the way we do things,

And perhaps there was,

You know,

A time when we were less like that,

But now the world seems to really fundamentally require science to back its reasonings,

And I'm just,

Yeah,

I'm really just grateful that,

You know,

There are individuals such as yourself dedicated to,

You know,

Helping us have better information in terms of,

Yeah,

Actually understanding ourselves on such a fundamental level,

And just yeah,

Again,

For me as a curious person,

As someone that's seeking and harbors a bit of a mystic inside him,

It's just,

Yeah,

It's a real honor and a blessing just to be able to have a conversation,

To learn and grow and lead back on that,

And so I'd like to thank you for your time here today,

But I'd like to also thank all the memories that have accumulated over space,

Us having this informed conversation.

Exactly,

Thank you for that too.

And wishing you all the best always.

Now,

I really want to tune in for those that want to connect to Nassim and Nassim Haramein's work,

I know like the resonance,

Like jump online,

The resonance,

Like the work there is amazing,

The Resonance Foundation,

But what's the best way for you that you think people should connect with you?

Yeah,

The Resonance Science Foundation is a place they can go and have access to courses,

They,

You know,

Can have conversation.

We're about to actually,

Because of this current situation,

Global situation,

And because of something that I wanted to do,

But this is like provoking it to happen,

Is we're about to like change,

Reconfigure the whole thing and make a lot of things available,

You know,

For free that were not available for free,

And I'm going to announce it in the next few days,

So I don't want to say,

So stay tuned,

Resonancesciencefoundation.

Org,

And well,

Actually resonancescience.

Org,

And you know,

There's Torstech as well,

Which is our laboratories where we do hardware research and theoretical research,

So that's hardware laboratory,

R&D laboratory that we have.

It's not just research as well though,

You build some pretty cool,

Like I was going to say shit,

Sorry,

Pardon me,

I was like the physical,

But like you've built,

Or you've contained stars,

I don't even know how to articulate that because it just blows my mind.

Yes,

We build some cool shit,

Yeah.

Yeah,

We're in the business of doing that,

And we're working really diligently because,

You know,

That's the amazing thing is that when you start to discover these fundamental truths,

If you apply them to your technology,

All of a sudden you have a whole different level of technology that you didn't know could be possible,

Like gravity control,

You know,

Extraction of energy from the structure of space time and all this,

I mean,

So we work in laboratory diligently.

It's hard because,

You know,

Financing that type of research independently is very difficult.

We're moving as fast as we can because the world needs it today and we're going at it,

So come and check us out and support us,

We need your support,

We need every single one of you perspective to help us move forward.

I love that and yeah,

I don't know how not to,

It's such a blessing the work that you're doing.

So just before we dive out,

My last question,

By no means my least question,

Asked of everybody that pops on and probably more of a reflection on me as a point of perspective on the universe,

Trying to find out who I am,

Is the question Nissin,

Who are you?

I am,

As everyone else,

A fundamental expression of the joy of learning for the universe.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

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Brilliant! Respect Nassim's work greatly and appreciate you sharing it here. I have a course here on IT 'Muscle Testing ' where I reference quantum physics. In my related lives I will direct students to this track for a deeper dive into this topic that impacts all of life. Blessings ✨