Your Life Matters Soul Connection Podcast Episode 1

In this episode, host Junie Swadron talks to fellow author, meditation guide and author’s mentor, Tom Evans, about his insatiable curiosity. Find out how Tom transitioned from the high tech industry over into the creative arts and how he became a meditation guide, ambient music composer, and novelist — all kind of by accident.

Note that 32 minutes in, Tom leads a short guided meditative visualization so you might want to pull over at that point if you are driving!

Transcript

Welcome to the Junie Squadron Podcast, And my guest today is Tom Evans. Tom, Welcome! Oh, What a joy to be here, Junie. Happy New Year to you. Thank you, And happy New Year to you too. Here we are in 2021. Gosh, Well, I just want to say a couple of things. I have known you, Tom, For several years now, And it's been such a delight. And I can't say how it boggles my mind when I think I met you maybe seven years ago. Maybe you had one or two books out or three books out at the time, And now you're going into your 17th. I know, It boggles my mind too. I bet. So what is the driving force for you, Tom, Or the creative spark that generates your voluminous output? Well, That's a great question, And wow, I don't think I've ever thought about that. I think there's curiosity, Because I think we met through Daily Om, Didn't we? Remember that app, Daily Om? Yes, Yes, We did. And I had a course on there about time, And at the time, I read a book by an amazing guy called Steve Taylor called Making Time, And he made me completely rethink time, How time is very. . . Obviously, We have this time system where you and I have turned up at the right time. We were on the West Coast of Canadian, As I call it, And I'm over England, But we turned up at the right time. So time is really, Really good, But there was a time when there weren't time zones, And I noticed that time was very subjective. So I became curious about that, And I started to record meditations and this sort of stuff about it. I wrote a book about it once. That's one of the 17 books. So it's curiosity. And then, Because my background is engineering, I go like, So now I've discovered something, Which is kind of bizarre and weird, But kind of useful as well. And if we can change the nature and speed of our thoughts, Then we can get more things done with less time. So as an engineer, As a helpful kind of guy, I would then say, Now, How can I help other people do the same thing? So it's curiosity, And then I guess a desire to share. Hmm. Yes. I can see that in you for sure. And it seems like such a leap though sometimes to go from a BBC engineer and technical guy to doing meditations, To becoming a musician, With ambient music, To writing all these books. So that transition, Did that just happen gradually? Or is it something you used to think about as a kid that you were kind of led into technology instead in engineering? Well, If you get backtracked to then, I was curious about the magic of TV. How we're on Zoom right now, No, We're just playing out the audio, But how we're having this conversation where my light is getting converted by a camera into electrons being passed down the airways over to you, And then it's coming out on your monitor, And then you're seeing me. I was absolutely fascinated by that magic. And so that was the curious Tom was active then. And then even then I'd go like, Okay, Now I see how this works. How can I make it better? So I guess I had the magic of TV and the magic of the internet for about 25 years from when I left university to my mid forties. And then I got captured by the magic of the mind. And all that's happened is this guy that's now fascinated by the magic of the mind is pretty handy at doing video, Audio recordings, And what have you. So naturally when it comes to creating the meditations, I've got all the technical skills you need to do it. Plus I've got this other ability also fueled by the same curiosity. So what happens when we think differently and we have different thoughts? What happens when you have an idea off the top of your head? I wrote a book about that. So all of these things I was curious about, I wrote a book about, And the writing of the book was my investigation very much as well as is then the exposition to other people that might read that book. Wow. Wow. I just love how the transitions of how you've gone from one thing to the other and how everything there's nothing for not, Right? When you think about how your previous career as an engineer has led you to where you are today and those technical skills that were fueled from your curiosity that was just in the magic of all of how these things come together has brought you to where you are today and with all those skills that are available that are just at your fingertips. And going to the writing, Because as you know, I'm a writer and an author's coach just like you are, And your books have kind of morphed from one way of and how we think to fiction and science fiction. And it's like, Wow, You've become this novelist as well. And I'm curious to know that where this particular, I mean, Soul waves, Right? And insertion, This whole concept of this book, This series now has come to you. And when you were writing it, Did you kind of know the ending before you started or did that kind of happen as you're writing? And I guess I also want to know, Do you feel that you're almost taking dictation? Do you kind of hear what's being said and you're just kind of, A lot of people say channeling these days. What's your process, Tom? Wow, That's about three questions in one. I know. Let's backtrack a little bit because, By the way, And what was lovely is, Thank you for asking this question. I don't think anyone's asked me this question. So I wrote Soul Waves before any of my other books. No. I hadn't written a book and I wrote this novel and I've got to be honest with you, It wasn't very good. And I didn't have the bravery to publish it. It was me just writing a load of stuff down. But my aim was to say for people that were stuck in this world, Looking down at their computers and their desks and things like that, To say, We are only here because we live in this most amazing cosmos. I wrote this whole book from beginning to end before I'd written any of my books. And I just parked it on my hard drive. And then I started writing the books. And my first book was a book of poetry called 100 Years of Urban Truth. And that set me off down this line of being an author. And people then approached me saying, Can you help me write a book? And I had no skills and trained in any hypnotherapy or anything like that. And people came to me with writer's blocks. I went and trained as a hypnotherapist and a regression therapist. And as you know, I became a healer by accident and all this sort of stuff. And then I started writing about those experiences. So my first nonfiction book was How Do You Get Through Blocks? How Do You Get Through Writer's Blocks? My second nonfiction book was How Do You Tap Into Lightbulb Moments? But they were very much workshop books. So you could write a book and then you can give it away at the workshop. It was chapter, Exercise, Chapter, Exercise, Chapter, Exercise. And then I wrote a few books. I was fascinated by the tarot. So I wrote a few metaphysical books on the contemporary version of the tarot. And then I got about five books in. And then I wrote a book of What Tom Thought. And each time I published a book, I've just put my head slightly above the parapet, Up and up and up and up and up. And no one shot me down. And this book was like, Oh, People like this book where there's no exercises. There's no read this, Do this. This is just thoughts of this bloke called Tom. And then I thought, Well, What happens if I have different thoughts? And then I write about those. And then I went off and off and I went down another tangent. And I got to 15 books in. And then I went to my best friend from school's funeral on my 59th birthday. And I went, Oh, You know that book Soul Waves that I wrote ages ago. Wouldn't it be awful if I got to, If I didn't make 60 and it wasn't out in the world. So I dusted it off, Rewrote it from the ground up. So and, And it, Funnily enough, When I wrote it, It was based in Beijing and Wuhan. This is 15 years before now. And it talks, It's China 40 years from now, It becomes the dominant power on the world stage and what have you. And it's not about virus. It's not about those sorts of things, But it was almost like I tapped into the future. And that's where this book came from. And it came out a year ago, Virtually today. And it set me off on a new road thinking, Well, Actually with fiction, Obviously you're not bound by, You're not bound too much, Does it have to be real? You can make it up. And why did I make it up? There's a lot of liberty in that. Exactly. Yeah. Freedom. And also I've got to say completely unbridled fun. Oh, I can imagine that with you. And reading Soul Waves is just, I mean, David and I read it together quite often and have read chapters over and over because there's so much in them. In fact, David said that it was the first book he ever read where every chapter takes into so many cosmic places at once, Like in the macrocosm and the microcosm and the main plot and the subplots. I mean, It's so, It's brilliant. Tom, It's brilliant. And when you even, A future history, I mean, There's a, Nobody talks about a history, Future history, Even that itself, It's intriguing. How can we talk about history in a few weeks? Right? I mean, Most of it's written as like, I wrote it after the book ended, If you know what I mean, Which is kind of an intriguing thing to do. Yeah. Well, Ermitrude was kind of like that too, Right? It started from the 100 years and going forward. No, Backwards. Yeah. But that was interesting. I wrote it forwards. I was on a plane. Right. 39, 000 feet above the mid-Atlantic when I wrote it. And I wrote it forward in snapshots of time, Of this woman's life through time. And then when we got to the other end, I let my wife read it. I had a science seven, We didn't even have iPads then or iPhones, Had a science seven. And she said, What's it like backwards? And I just cut and paste it so it flowed backwards. And I couldn't have written it backwards, But I wrote it forwards and I played it backwards and boy, Is it different than played backwards. And then I found out that this other author, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Dared to write this book called Benjamin Button, The Incredible Tale of Benjamin Button, That had stolen my idea, But he stole it 50, 60 years before I'd written Ermitrude. And that thing was sort of concept. How dare he? Like where did the notion of soul waves come from? Well, I was in, It was funny. I was in South Africa, All my books come on holiday. I guess I'm just, I'm relaxed. I was in a shower, I turned round and there was a massive tarantula behind me, Massive tarantula. So I could see his eyes and I can imagine it was looking at me. So I jumped out of the shower, Got reception to go and get the tarantula. And they said, It wouldn't have killed you, But you would have a nasty bite, You would have been in hospital. And I have one of those little mini, Not a near death experience, But one of those shocks, A couple of gin and tonics. I was reading this book by Tyhard de Chardin called The Phenomenon of Man. And I had a big pile of these books, Nonfiction books about philosophy, Cosmos and the source of metaphysics. And I thought, Wouldn't it be great if I can get those into a fiction book? So the people that would never pick up one of those books could get some of these concepts. So in soul waves, I've got the concept of Neuosphere that's absolutely ripped off from Tyhard de Chardin and James Lovelock and this sort of stuff. And then, But what I did was extend it, Say, Well, If the earth has got a consciousness, Which is called the Neuosphere, Then the solar system must have a consciousness called the Solar Sphere and the galaxy must have a consciousness called the Galasphere and this sort of stuff. So what I always do, The engineer sort of takes something which is brilliant and says, Well, How can we go faster stripes on it and extend it and extend it and extend it? And that's where the fun lies and the exploration and the curiosity. Oh, Well, It's just brilliant. And every time a chapter ends, We can hardly wait for the next one. I mean, We've got to go on because you just leave us hanging. You know, You picked up a theme there. So in Ermentry, My first book, There's a countdown clock going from 100 down to zero. In this one, There's a countdown clock going from the end of life on earth, Isn't it, As it ticks through. I know, I know. And it's like, What is coming next and it's just brilliant. It's just so brilliant. And when you get to see that what you, That you had the sense of this all those years ago and you see today, Things that you would not have known are actually happening. Yeah, But I wasn't a great writer then. So I learned my writing craft through the nonfiction work and the philosophical work and I became a better writer. So then I became brave enough to tell the Solway story and competent enough to be able to weave all of those. I've always loved Dan Brown and the Da Vinci Code. I don't like the writing so much, But I love the fact that he does page turners and he always says, What's next and what's next and what's next. Absolutely. Well, You're doing it. You're doing it. It's like, Whoa. So, And from this, You've also become for quite a while now because it's a meditation teacher and you have all these beautiful meditations and now you've been creating music, Ambient music. You become a composer and maybe one just feeds the other. Tell us about that, Please, Tom, Because over 3 million people have had the pleasure and the joy to be able to just breathe through the beautiful meditations that you offer. And now you have the music with them. So what happened, Junius? When I wrote those nonfiction books, I put some free meditations with it, The classic thing, Buy the book or download the meditations and you get someone's email address and you can sell them something else and all that classic sales funnel stuff. And I didn't think anything about them. So I thought I was an author with some meditations on the side till about 2015 when this lovely app, Which I know your guide on as well, Insight Timer discovered me and they can't remember how they found me. I asked them and I put one of my meditations up there and someone said about a month later, They got in touch and have you seen how your meditation is doing? And I hadn't even looked at it. It was one of the things I was given away free and it had 6, 000 listens in one month and people loved the British accent and the fact that it didn't take things seriously, The fact that it was very accessible and bearing in mind, I've not been into an ashram. I'm not trained in meditation, But I am trained in hypnotic language and all of those sort of things. And people loved it. So I then uploaded some more stuff. Anyway, Three years later, A million listens. Oh, This is interesting. That went, Maybe my meditations are quite good. I didn't know that. And I got some corporate gigs on the back of it because corporates like to know that you know, This guy's got a million meditations, Therefore he must be quite good. And I did more and more and more. And so I morphed him from being, This is all about rewriting your life, Isn't it? Or you're writing it. I'm more from being an author with meditations on the side to being a meditation guide, Who's never been inside an ashram with books on the side. I love it. As you say often, You know, You've come to everything in your life. I put it in quotes by accident, Right? You wouldn't have known that you were going to be. Oh yeah. And you know, We use that lovely software Audacity to do our recordings. I wouldn't have had the audacity to claim to be a meditation guide, But the social proof on that wonderful app Insight Timer is there. These people love it. I think I get about 1500, 2000 listens a day. People put in comments, How, You know, You're changing my life. I get my kids to meditate and all this sort of stuff. By the way, Did you mention that? Did you mean that meditation to get rid of headaches? Cause my headaches gone. Well, I didn't, But now it hasn't. That's great. Lovely side effect. And, And so to know you can have that impact in the world is brilliant, But also to know that the more you throw into that free freemium funnel, The more it comes back to you and the riches that come back. And I don't mean the riches in terms of dollars and pound notes. I mean, In terms of the, The, The, The amazing contacts that it brings. So, You know, I did a live workshop today on channeling and we must've had 40, 50 people on there from all around the world. And it's also then connecting all those people together as well, All through this, This curiosity. That's the, That's the drop that goes back to that driver. Why are we here, What we're here to do? How can we help ourselves and each other and the planet and the biosphere and the cosmos? Well, Everything that you're doing goes back to that, Doesn't it? And it is, It's, It's such a, It's so rewarding. I'm grateful within my own career and my own life as a psychotherapist and a, And a writing coach and author mentor to, To see the results that come from something that we've gleaned along the way and have become skilled at or have, You know, Great wisdom that just flows through. I, You know, I don't really take a lot of credit, But for that, But the, The results when we see that are from what you're talking about, Tom, Wanting to make a difference in the world and we see it, It is, It's just a beautiful thing. And yes, It comes back a thousand fold in terms of the quality of life and you know, It's so enhanced. So when you get messages like, Oh, Did you mean to, You know, Cure my daughter's headaches or something like that, That brings me to the part of you that is, You know, A modern, You call yourself a modern day mystic. And so that part of you that is a healer, True healer. I mean, I saw it, I love to tell the story of when you healed my budgie bird all those years ago from a bird that was almost pronounced dead. And I called you and I said, Hey, Can you heal my bird? And over Skype, You know, A month later, He grew back his feathers and was flying. I mean, How do you do these things? Well, I've got to say two things. One was, Must come back to the ambient music and answer that question. Cause you have a lovely ability to pile on the questions, Which I love because I want to answer them all, But we'll come back to that in a minute. But the healer thing, One is I do not call myself a modern day mystic, Right? Other people give me these labels. I got called the, Oh, I've got a great accolade. And there's a, There was a, You can, You can search on this, The 10 most bonkers job titles on LinkedIn. And I rock in at number four and it was written by a recruitment consultant. And their point was, If these people give themselves these names, How do they expect to get employed by somebody? And I was like, Well, I'm not interested in being employed by anybody. And so at the time people will call me the wizard of light bulb moments. Cause I wrote this book about light bulb moments and on the list is the chief biscuit, Dunker and all this sort of stuff. But I rock it at number four as the weirdest job titles on LinkedIn, Which I'm really proud of, But other people call me this. I've had clients call me me Dumbledore. I had been called a temporal alchemist. I love all these names come from other people. My wife calls me Dobby, The house elf, Which is very grounding, Which is fantastic. And to me, They're just, They're just fun titles. So a modern day mystic is somebody who simply embraces metaphysics and sees it as today's metaphysics is tomorrow's physics. So Einstein was a mystic. Tesla was definitely a mystic. Edison was a kind of mystic, But he was an empiricist, But he was still, He was like me, You know, 50, 150 years ago, Very interested in what could be done and on spin-offs as well. He was an amazing person at doing spin-offs and all we're trying to do is work out how we can manipulate the material plane, But the ideas of how we manipulate it come from mystical sources. So meditation to me is a, Is a technology. It's a technology for the mind and you know, All these wonderful people are doing things with vaccines right now. They're at the cutting edge of, Of thought and how we can really get ourselves through this time when they're in. They're today's mystics as well. So mystics, All a mystic is, Is somebody that's taking something which is on the edge of known and making it known. I call it taking the esoteric and making it exoteric. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Well, Thank you for that explanation. So let's go back to your ambient music. Yeah. Oh, That's been a joy. Well, I've been really blessed because I've met through in some time, I met loads of really good composers. So I've, I've, There's a lovely guy called, You can't invent this name, Ludwig Simbrelius from up in Scandinavia. Great, Amazing musician. So I've been using his music behind my meditations and this sort of stuff. And I've helped him change his business model now. So he doesn't just do music. He licenses his music to other meditation guides, Which is great. And I used his stuff for a good three years. Absolutely love it. Then I had the idea with Sawwaves. How could you market a book once you got the book out there? Well, Why, Why don't I do that thing like Jeff, Is it Jeff Lin or the wall Jeff when or the walls you do the album inspired by the book. And so I approached a couple of composers on insight timer to see whether we might be able to work together and it wasn't right for them at that time. So I thought, Well, Hang on, Why don't you just try and do it myself? I can play reasonable guitar, Know a little bit about the music. And so I managed to magic up an amazing guy who doesn't live very far from me, But we've only met about three or four times because of COVID we do everything over zoom and he's not only an amazing guitar teacher, But he's, He's taught me a compositional theory. And how to use this amazing software called Ableton. I'm quite, I'm techies. I can do software and using his guidance. I put a whole album together and I was going to do a track a month last year. The whole album now rocks in at five hours of ambient music. And I use my own ambient music behind my own meditations now, Which is a real joy, Which is also, What's great about that is I can time chord changes, Different musical ornamentations to come in around the speech and stuff like that. So it gives you more control and I love it. And it's me being curious again. Absolutely. It's that same curiosity. I didn't realize I could do that. So now I've done that by accident. What can I do if I'm being more consciously active in the whole thing? And I've just taken Piers Ward, My amazing teacher back on again to advise me on the next phase, The next album. Wow. I love it. I love how you just take something that you approach these other people and some of them the timing wasn't right and you just said, Well, Okay, Let me try it myself. And you found the coaches that you needed and you already knew so much or a little bit enough to say, I'm going to do this. I can try this. I can figure this out. And look at you today. It's wonderful to have those skills and to be in control of that so that you know in your meditations where you're going to make the breaks and where you want to put in the kind of music and pitch and pause and everything that will fit perfectly. So it's brilliant. So let me ask you this. Do you plan an album and set of meditations based on your second book, Insertions? I do indeed. Insertions came to me in lockdown, Unlike the other book that took 15 years. You say second book. I mean, Second book in this series. Yeah. The first book took 15 other books and 15 years to come out, But the sequel came out of lockdown and it's not a big book. The first book's got like 100, 000 words. The other one's got 30, 000 words. There's a set of 12 short stories that span the original book, If you know what I mean. But they're the same concept that at times are transitions on the earth. The gods send down a helper. So Jesus, Buddha, Kermit the Frog, Those sort of people come into our lives to change our consciousness. So Charlie Brown would be another one. So they don't have to be embodied. They can be just a zeitgeist, If you know what I mean. So Soul Waves was like one insertion from birth straight to extraction. And extraction's a bit like ascension for Jesus. He died and then he ascended. I won't spoil the end of Soul Waves for people who want to listen to it. So he gets extracted in a very lovely way. So with Insertions, There's 12 short stories of different insertions, But right across space and time. There's one in the Cold War in the Pentagon. There's one that's concurrent with Soul Waves. There's one that starts in 2039 when we're just getting over COVID 38. And that was lovely to write. That was lovely to write. I've invoked the fairy and the trolls and the elf realm in that one. So there's a bit of Harry Potter and all that sort of stuff in there. So when I wrote that, Because I'd already written the album and the meditation series that goes with Soul Waves. I went, Okay, I'm going to do 12 tracks that go with it. I've already got the first one in the can and I'll do one a month. And then there's going to be 12 meditations on the numbers, One to 12. And I'm also going to do 12 lectures, 12 online lectures on the numbers, One to 12. And I'm timing them with the new moon, The full moon. So everything's locked to moon timing, Which is really, Really important. So I've got my stalls set out already for 2021. Do you ever, Do you ever, Oh my gosh, This is so great. And so 2020 has been quite a year for all of us. And do you think that 2021 is a turning point for humanity? And if so, How? I think 2020 was the turning point and 2021 is now we're in the turn. And we've got 2021 is going to be a struggle, Right? It could be still got lots of things to do. And 2022 is when we'll go out, Wow, That was, That was tough. That was tough. So humans, You wake up, The way we're doing things, Wasn't the way to do things. You know, I've been living like many people, My life on zoom and I didn't, It doesn't change too much for me because I've been working at home anyway, All for the last sort of 10 years. But for many people, It's quite a struggle. You know, I'm in a relationships on with somebody, Which is with the love of my life. So that's not a struggle either. And I'm living in a very quiet place away from busy-ness, Which is, Which is great for many people though, Especially in cities, It's pretty horrendous, But I'm hoping that we change the way we're going to be from planetary abusers to planetary caretakers. And that's very much the theme in soul waves and in assertions as well. We are, We're waking up as a, As a consciousness into a different way of being, You know, We're, Humanity is 0. 01% of the biomass on planet earth. That's all? That's all. Yeah, We're not. If we disappeared overnight, Planet earth and all the other animals and trees and plants and flowers and insects and fish and plankton, They'd get on just fine. You'd probably flourish a lot better than what we do. Exactly. Exactly. So we've got some of the dinosaurs that are going to have to die out first and once they've died out, Then we can move on. I'm not going to mention any names because it's not about figureheads. It's people and consciousness and states everywhere that are causing this, But slowly we'll change. And there's one line in the novel soul waves where I refer to the tumultuous twenties and soul wave starts in about 2058. And I refer back to the crazy times of the twenties and we will get through this. We'll get through to this new way of being. And then in 2058, If soul waves is a true future history, Then some of those events might play out. Some of the things I wrote about 15 years have already happened, By the way, 15 years ago have already happened. So I don't doubt that some of the other things are also in play. Wow. So you feel in 2022, We'll finally begin to exhale and just breathe again. So may I ask you this, Tom, Because we're winding down now and just want to thank you profusely for this enlightening interview and conversation of your path and how you are making such a huge difference in the world and in people's lives, Millions of people's lives. And so would you be willing to give us a brief meditation of just something because of the desire that's collective on the planet right now, Something that could be uplifting to give people an opportunity to just sink into their own beingness and remember who they are and know that all is well in spite of what's going on externally in the world right now? Oh, What a joy. Yeah. Well, Meditation is a kind of weird things to do on podcasts because most podcasts are full of people talking and meditations. I used to do most of my meditations that were 10 minutes long thinking that nobody had longer than 10 minutes to listen. I didn't want to listen to me for more than 10 minutes. And then people said, It's too short. And over time I started doing longer and longer meditations. I did one last year, Which is an hour long. I never thought I'd do an hour long guided meditation and the people just love it. What a treat for somebody, But I'm going to, Because of podcasts and some people might be driving and things like that. I'm going to do a safe meditation. You can listen to while driving that won't take you into a sleepy state, But it will take your mind from one place to the other. And if I think about my meditations that are on the Insight Time Rule and some other places, All they are journeys for the mind. Let's do, I've got to say you've thrown a little curve ball at me. I didn't plan to do this, Which I always love because it makes me do something I wasn't planning that isn't out there already. Let's do a little time-based guided visualization. Love it. Yes, Please. So just take your mind back. People are listening now to 2020. Whenever that thing, They call it COVID, They call it a virus, Came into your world and how it changed your world. Were you scared? I was scared. Did you know what's happening in the future? I didn't. Go forward to now. Well, We're lucky in the UK, We've got one of the vaccines that's been created here. So how have we got a clear future? Well, We've got some more certainty and that's pretty nice. So we know if you're lucky to be in the Western world or in a country that is being served by the Western world, Because I hope it's going to filter right across the globe, Gives you a bit more certainty. But what I'd ask you is when you get back to whatever normal was, Are you going to be the same? Are you going to do things exactly the same way? What can you change? What can be different? How can you rewrite your life? How can you live a life that really matters? How can you trough a pebble in the pond such that the ripples will go out and be felt by other people on other sides of the globe that don't even know you necessarily exist? But just because the thoughts you're having, The actions you're taking, The way of your being is changing people around you and they influence other people, They influence other people and you create a wave. What's really interesting is the change is not going to come from our leaders. The change is coming from the margins. The change is coming from the periphery. And each one of us is the source of that change. So we've had this wobble, The Earth slightly wobbled on its axis and it's tilted. And now it's getting back in gear. It'll take 2021, 2022 to get back into gear. So do you want things to be the same or are you ready to change? You ready to be the change? Ready to make that change? Wow. Thank you. Thank you for asking. Yeah, Well, Thank you for taking the bait. You know, Tom, Listening to you, To listening to the words and the energy that you evoked through the concepts that you raised, The questions you asked, I'm vibrating right now. I've definitely been taken to a different level, Truly a different level of consciousness than when we were having this fun interview or conversation, I like to call it. I just love how you've elevated my consciousness to make me want to be a better person, For me to take charge in a way of how I can be the change in a way that is going to help those people that I may never, Ever, Ever know or see just by carrying that energy and that intention. So thank you. Thank you for this. Thank you for being who you are. You've always been a tremendous light. And now I just can't wait to continue to see what you're going to create with that genius mind of yours in the future. So Tom, Please tell us how is the best place or where is the best place for people to find you? Thank you, Judy. My website is www. Tomebbins. Co. I couldn't afford the. Com or I was a bit late into the game. So just. Co, You'll find me there. You put Tom Evans meditation to Google, I'm all over the place as well. Perfect. Okay, Thank you. So I just want to say thank you very much. This is Judy Swadron coming from the Judy Swadron podcast. And you can reach me at junyswadron. Com and look forward to many more podcasts.

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