An Astrological Look At What Forces Are Influencing These Times

A fascinating conversation with Cindy Paulos, Astrologer Bill Baker, and life coach Tanya Lelo. A look at what forces are cosmically going on that might be influencing these life changes. We dicuss what we can learn from this time. We also talk about how long these forces will be influencing us.

Transcript

Well,

I have two special guests on the line,

Tanya Lilo and Bill Baker calling in.

Hello.

Good morning or good afternoon depending on where you are.

We're crossing all kinds of continents here.

So we're going to be talking about something very important.

And Tanya,

Let's just start.

We kind of met and you reached out to me about a year ago.

And you're good friends with Bill and you two just connect in your conversations and you said,

Let's take this conversation to a wider audience,

Right?

Yes,

Exactly.

Yes.

So,

Well,

Where to start?

Just in all my travels and everything else,

I had met Bill when I had moved to Branson,

Missouri.

And he had met at the Unity Church that we were both going to.

And Bill and I hit it off.

We have a lot of things in common.

He does his astrology and I was doing my personal development workshops and life coaching and everything.

And we would just have these amazing metaphysical and astrological and very just profound conversations.

And after these were going on for quite a while,

I said,

Bill,

You need to be recording these.

Other people need to hear this amazing wisdom that we're coming up with.

And that one thing led to another almost started out as a joke,

But not so much.

And here we are.

Do you have an astrological background in studying astrology as well,

Tanya?

Or did you learn more from Bill?

No,

No,

No.

Bill is the master.

He is.

I've had readings done and I understand it and I'm always the speaker,

But he is the professional.

I do not have the astrological background,

But he's the one that I,

He's my go-to.

So then that's the introduction to Bill.

So when did you start?

And we're not going to tell you how much I paid her for that statement.

When did you get interested in astrology,

Bill?

When did you first get interested in astrology?

Me?

Yeah.

I,

It's been my lifetime basically.

In my 20s,

And that was many years ago,

Back in the 60s.

And so,

Yeah,

I first got involved in trying to understand people through handwriting analysis and that morphed into astrology and in the 70s when astrology was making a big deal.

I got into it then and started studying it seriously.

So that leads us from then to now.

And I have never ever quite seen a time like this in my lifetime,

Of course.

And of course,

When we all,

I think everyone's got questions about what in the world is going on.

And I've always been very interested in astrology.

Honestly,

My mother was an astrologer and was pretty good at it.

And so I grew up with it.

You know,

I always kind of grew up with just understanding it and I found it fascinating.

You know,

When people realize,

Of course,

I hope they realize it's not just the little astrological forecast you read in the paper with when your birthday is.

It's much,

Much deeper and more complicated with when you're born,

Your rising sign,

Your houses and everything.

So it's actually a pretty complex art.

However,

It's become a little easier,

Hasn't it,

Bill,

Through a time when what's available through computers and everything?

Oh,

Computers make it so easy now to check on things.

And one of the things that fascinates me with what is going on now is being able to check back in history and see what was going on.

Just as an example,

There's a lot of resonance going on right now with what was going on in the middle of the 60s and also with what was going on,

In particular in the 30s when we were going through the late times of the Depression and the rise of fascism and miscellany and Hitler and all of that.

So there's a lot of very similar energy going on now.

So is this got some stuff to go with Pluto and Mars?

Because I mean,

I know a little and I know Mars is always kind of like the powerful planet and Pluto is.

Saturn as well,

Of course,

And less.

So what are you seeing astrologically that's doing these huge influences on us right now?

Well,

We are basically this year already we have had Saturn,

Jupiter,

Mars all going over Pluto,

In the sign of Capricorn.

And so that's what's going on and the world is changing.

And my notion of it is like,

You know,

Pluto,

When Pluto,

Well,

One of my teachers used to say,

When Pluto gets a hold on you,

Your only job is to try to find a handle to hang on to.

And this is what's happening collectively,

Because Pluto is basically transforming the world.

We're either going to go along with it or it's going to maybe wipe us out.

So do you think Pluto is getting back at us for trying to call it not a real planet?

Maybe so.

Maybe so.

I mean,

It is.

For those who haven't followed astrology,

Can you explain the aspects of Pluto?

Well Pluto is the planet associated with transformation.

The thing that Pluto has going,

See Pluto is based on Hades in the ancient gods,

And Hades lived under the earth.

And his domain was what is hidden from reality.

But the way he transforms is to take something and destroy it down to its essence and find what's real and true in it,

And then rebuild it.

So it's like the Phoenix.

Out of the ashes comes something of beauty.

And that's the way to really understand how Pluto works.

Interesting.

I've always felt,

I have a lot of Saturn,

But I've always been told Saturn is a great teacher lesson maker and kind of can be very heavy in teaching us lessons.

Is that right?

Yes.

Saturn used to be called a Maleficent.

I think I'm saying that right.

And we don't think that so much anymore.

But your assessment there of being the teacher,

It's like the teacher that says,

Okay,

Here's the lesson and now you're going to repeat it back to me.

And if you don't get it right,

You get smacked.

So Saturn is all about structure and reality.

And Saturn doesn't play games.

There's no innuendo.

It is just what it is.

And so you get to deal with the hard facts of reality with Saturn.

Now,

The part that I don't understand,

Bill,

Is Capricorn is interesting.

And I've always known some Capricorn people who usually are very,

Very good financially with business.

Of course,

It's getting into the details a lot of times of that.

But I don't understand where the role of Capricorn would be in all this.

Well,

See,

Saturn is the ruler of Capricorn.

And in that role,

Capricorn is basically about achievement.

It's about getting things done.

It basically Capricorn,

The sign,

Rules over government institutions or any other institution that we basically turn over our power to and say,

Here,

You take care of this.

And so what is going on,

See,

This year and actually in many ways since 2008 is that our institutions are being challenged to determine whether they are actually functioning in the way that we wanted them to or is it something else.

So Tanya,

What's your take on all of this?

I mean,

I haven't had you giving you a chance to speak up on what do you sense about all these factors?

Oh,

I completely agree with Bill and what he's saying.

And again,

We've had these conversations in the past where there's so many changes going on.

And if you look back five,

Even 10 years ago,

Up to more recently from six months on,

I have noticed a huge shift with people when they're talking about awakening and bringing forth more consciousness and levels of consciousness in the world.

And when you start seeing things that are happening with our planet as far as the changes in climate and everything with the floods and the fires and the droughts and everything like that,

It's very obvious that things have been shifting.

And at that point,

We need to step back and even ask,

To what extent are we as humans responsible for these things?

And that's part of,

I feel it's a part of a lot of what Bill was talking about.

When we do have these changes,

And of course,

Things are cyclic and we are going through another phase of the cycle,

But when we start looking at what we as human beings have put in place and what our responsibilities are to the world,

To the planet,

To each other,

To our local economies,

Our local governments,

Our state,

National,

Federal governments,

We have to wonder what is it that is happening?

And if this was designed to be that time of upheaval,

I think we are playing a very big role in it right now.

And I know Bill had called this a little while ago.

This was from a conversation we had,

What was it,

Back in November,

December?

And I mean,

Almost to this day,

It's scary sometimes when he starts telling you these things.

He even called it out.

He said,

March 19th,

Something big is going to happen.

And we were talking about war and a type of war,

Bringing Mars into that.

He said,

I don't know what type of war,

But we're going to have a war on something or with something starting around March 19th.

And boom,

That happened,

I think.

So what lessons?

I'd like to hear from both of you,

I guess,

Starting first with you,

Tanya.

I mean,

I was just talking to someone this morning who was a very wise woman and she said,

Well,

I know there's lessons we have to learn from all this,

But I haven't been able to get what lessons we can take out of all this.

So what would you say,

Tanya,

The lessons we're supposed to be learning now?

Oh my gosh,

To me,

That's actually an easy question.

I've been thinking about this and meditating on this and actually having these conversations with some other friends.

I think that we have been needing to revisit ourselves.

We need to go within.

More and more people are starting to take up meditation.

More and more people are starting to really become aware of themselves.

And think about this,

Cindy.

This is like the perfect time.

We are now forced to be quarantined or sequestered by ourselves or with families or maybe one or two other people.

People now don't have a whole lot of other choice other than to really contemplate life.

They are thinking about their mortality.

They are thinking about themselves.

You know,

When you're forced to be by yourself for a long period of time,

You don't really have a whole lot to do other than think.

I mean,

You could only clean out so many cupboards and go to your closet so many times and rearrange the furniture.

Now,

It's time to think.

As a self-proclaimed introvert,

This is not a big stretch for me.

But what I see and what I am actually grateful for and my heart swells over this is I hear people talk about,

Wow,

I've really been able to connect with myself.

I have really been able to think about how I'm looking at the world,

How I look at life.

And I think people are really finally getting it that they're able to go within and realize all that stuff out there just doesn't matter.

People aren't worried about the material things right now.

They're not worried about their cars.

They're not worried about shopping for clothes.

They're not worried about some of them don't even have a job right now that that's an identity for them.

They're stripped down to the bare bones basics and what's left is themselves.

And to me,

I think that's the greatest lesson that's coming out of this right now.

Our people are really able to start connecting with themselves.

They don't have an excuse not to.

To me,

I think that's a gift.

I just so think that's an amazing gift that everybody has right now.

Well,

That's a very positive take on these hard lessons that we're going through.

And I understand about being an introvert.

I'm an extroverted introvert.

I mean,

I have been being in radio,

Right?

I got to do this stuff.

But if I had a choice,

Introverts fine with me.

But OK,

So Bill,

When you look at this astrologically,

As you have very carefully and even before it began,

You did.

When you look at it,

Do you have a couple of questions?

How long do you see this effect going on and then what do you take from that?

Well,

I'll go back to what Tanya was saying there,

Because she really described the Pluto process.

You see,

When Pluto wants you to change,

One of the ways that can force you to do that is strip away everything that you thought was important.

Wow.

And so there you have that notion of the Phoenix rising out of the ashes.

So she described that quite well.

And as far as the length of time here,

We're in this for the long haul.

Oh,

No.

Oh,

No.

Now,

The way that's going to play out will vary.

There's going to be some ups and downs,

But there's several things going on here.

And one of them that makes some sense here is that over the course of this year so far,

With all these planets coming over Pluto,

Is they're each starting a new cycle.

And so Pluto changes the way it was into something toward what it's going to be.

And so one astrologer that I follow very closely,

He basically says that Pluto's role here is demanding that you surrender to Pluto's needs.

And until we surrender,

It will just keep getting harder and harder.

And what we need to surrender to,

Again,

Is a lot of what Tanya was saying there,

In my opinion.

See,

We have allowed technology to take over our lives and lose ourselves in that process.

And I think we have to be coming back here and say,

Oh,

Well,

Wait just a minute.

I need to use this technology for my benefit,

But don't let it run my life.

When you say the long haul,

It's like,

Well.

.

.

Years.

Oh,

My.

Oh,

My.

Well,

Here's something else that's very important,

Given that you understand a bit about Pluto.

The United States has Pluto at 27 degrees Capricorn.

Right now,

Pluto is hanging around the 24th degree of Capricorn.

So the United States is basically going through a Pluto return,

Where at the 200,

And in this case,

A 244-year cycle,

Since we're back where Pluto was when the United States was formed.

Wow.

So here in the United States,

See,

It's not only what's going on worldwide,

But it's what this country is about.

In my opinion,

We're going to come down to a knockdown dragout about whether we're going to keep our democracy.

Wow.

That's very,

Very heavy.

And the lesson for.

.

.

Well,

It is very heavy.

Yes,

It's a lesson for.

.

.

And there are tremendous threats to it under the current administration.

Yeah.

I agree there.

If we just let it go the way it's going,

All of a sudden,

We're going to find out that we are no longer a democracy.

So lessons learned here,

Some of the wonderfully way you put it,

Tanya,

And also what you're saying,

Bill,

With our doing more back to the basics,

Interior work and spiritual growth.

And I've always felt that if you can raise yourself up high enough and detach yourself and get into that spiritual soul space,

You're not quite as under the negative aspects of what might be going on astrologically.

But if we stay on the positive side of what we're learning here and get it,

Then we look at that almost like what Tanya said,

The overview of what's going on.

What do you see,

Bill,

As a positive coming out of this?

Well,

I look at it depending on who I'm talking to and where they're coming from.

The essence,

I think,

Is that we always have to,

I think,

Reel in what's going on out there and start looking at our life about,

One,

What am I responsible for?

That's Capricorn notion in Saturn.

And am I meeting my obligations?

And am I taking care of myself?

And am I taking care of those that are my requirements to take care of?

So in short,

What I'm trying to say is we may not be able to do anything about the big,

About their wide world issues,

But to look at our own life and focus on what is ours to do.

Along that line,

Too,

If I can add,

Spiritual work,

It's a messy job.

This isn't easy.

It's simple,

But it's never easy.

And it doesn't always feel as nice as it should.

So it could be messy.

And another thing that I wanted to bring up,

Too,

With that,

When you start doing this inner work,

And again,

This is another conversation that we've had before and we will continue to have with our discussions,

Is when people do start looking within,

Values come up.

I do a lot of work,

Especially with my life coaching clients and everything.

We start everything with a values assessment.

And values to me is just absolutely paramount to understanding self and where you're coming from.

And for those people that are going through this time,

Whether it's clear or messy or whatever that is,

Values is always going to be coming up to the forefront.

And I think this is a really excellent time for people to start really understanding what exactly their true values are.

When we started saying about stripping away all the extraneous things out of your life,

What it's going to come down to is who you are,

Who you are as yourself,

And what your values are.

Because there's a lot of people living their life out of alignment with their current values,

And that's just because of what they think is necessary.

You know,

The jobs that they have,

The relationships that they're in,

The relationships that they're even having with themselves.

A lot of people are so out of alignment with their true values either because they've cast them by the wayside or some people just really haven't focused and aren't even aware of what their true values are.

But I think values is going to have a really,

Really,

Really important role in how people get through these times,

Especially now with all the upheaval going on.

Values is just so important to understanding where you are,

What your next steps are going to be,

And basically helping keep you sane throughout this whole process.

And I think that's such a very,

Very important thing.

I mean,

I kind of look at that in a way as like our true purpose.

We all have a purpose we're supposed to fulfill here in life.

And I think also when we're seeing this many people in transition and leaving the planet,

It kind of puts that in the forefront as like,

Well,

Did I achieve what I came here for?

Because no one knows what's going to be happening in their lives and who's going to go next.

And so I think that puts the extra pressure.

I was wondering about that,

Bill,

As far as the,

Is it Mars or who is,

Is it Mars?

It's a death planet,

The planet of death and transition?

No,

That's Pluto.

That's Pluto again,

My friend Pluto.

I love you Pluto butt.

Pluto butt.

Well,

Let me mention here that Mars is an inner planet and Mars rules the masculine energy as Venus rules the feminine.

And so Mars is the planet of action,

But it's also a planet of integrity.

And so,

And see Mars in,

I think on the 20th of March or somewhere along in there,

What Tanya was mentioning a while ago,

That was when Mars,

Mars is the warrior too.

So usually Mars is involved with war in some way or in any kind of a battle.

So what was going on around that mid-March was Jupiter,

Saturn,

And Mars all lined up together in Capricorn.

And so Mars tends to energize things and that's why I was predicting,

As did others,

That there could be something come out of this that might either be a choice of the country going to war or in this case,

It was about that time that they started calling the coronavirus,

Oh,

This is like a war.

Yeah,

That's true.

We're in battle here.

Yeah,

Absolutely.

Well,

We're kind of running out of time here.

I would like to give you a few minutes to wind this up because this is a very long conversation and I think we're all looking for answers right now because we've never seen anything quite like this and we all want to learn our lessons,

Of course.

And it's so helpful to be able to hear conversations like this.

So I,

Number one,

Want to thank you,

Tanya,

Because I know you wanted to do this for a while and again,

I guess something coming up from this is now you figured was the time.

And I thank you,

Bill,

For your wonderful,

Wise insight on this subject,

Which could be very ongoing.

In fact,

You're doing a podcast and people will be able to find out more.

Give us just briefly a look at where people can find out more from you.

Sure.

Thank you.

And thank you for having us.

This was wonderful,

Cindy.

I do appreciate it.

The name of our podcast is going to be Spirited Chat and we have a website.

It's spiritedchatradio.

Com and as you know,

It will be available on another channel.

And so right now it's once a month and we're going to try to shoot for twice a month here.

But you can find us also on Facebook and we do encourage people to look us up and like us on Facebook under Spirited Chat with Bill and Tanya.

Wonderful.

Well,

I am very,

Very grateful to be able to have the time to talk.

It's given me some real good insights and confirmed a lot of things and gave me a lot to digest as well.

And that's the kind of conversations and Spirited Chat that I like to have.

So I just want to say mahalo to you,

Bill and mahalo to you,

Tanya.

And again,

We will continue this conversation in the future.

But for now,

I mean,

Please continue teaching and helping us to understand because that's really important as long as we stay in our purpose and fulfill our real reason for being here.

And we're going to come out of this with some great lessons and be hopefully a little wiser.

Hopefully a little wiser.

Well,

I think so.

I would like to leave you with a little mantra here that another astrologer said,

But it so meets what we're dealing with here.

There is no better teacher than Mother Earth herself who's telling us it's time to learn that our health is our greatest wealth.

Well,

That's true.

It's very true.

Thank you for that.

And I appreciate you very much being there.

And please stay well and keep us informed about what's going on.

Okay.

And a big,

Big mahalo and aloha to you.

Thank you.

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