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The Self Is Just A Concept - The Ship Of Theseus

by Zachary Phillips

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If you were to gradually replace all of the parts of your body until nothing ‘original' remained, can you still claim to be you? This talk breaks down the philosophical thought experiment 'The Ship of Theseus' and relates its implications back to cell division and the nature of the mind over time.

SelfConceptsShip Of TheseusPhilosophyIdentityImpermanenceContemplationSelf InvestigationConsciousnessEmotionsSelf IdentityGuided ContemplationsMoods And Emotions

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There's a philosophical thought experiment called the Ship of Theseus that is a direct correlation to the practice of mindfulness.

The idea is that there's a boat,

And every so often we're going to replace a piece of that boat and put that replaced piece aside.

So we replace the mast and put it aside.

We replace the deck and put it aside.

We replace the rudder and we put it aside.

And over time what's going to happen is that this ship is slowly going to have its old parts removed and new parts installed with the old parts put aside.

Now at all times that boat is that boat,

But eventually given enough iterations of this process there will be no original pieces of that boat left.

Yet if you asked someone,

Where's the boat,

They would point to it and they would say,

There it is.

But this is where it gets a little bit interesting.

What if we took all of the old parts and rebuilt that boat and now effectively there'd be two boats.

The boat that has undergone all the changes that contains none of the original parts and the boat that contains all of the original parts.

Which boat is the boat?

Are they both the boat?

Is neither one the boat?

At what point does one boat change into something new?

This thought experiment gets even more interesting when we apply some biology to our bodies.

Our cells replicate and replace themselves every five to seven years,

Meaning that the body you inhabit right now is not the same body that you inhabited when you were a child.

Yet you are still you.

You still hold that you are this entity.

But none of what made you up then remains now,

Other than your consciousness,

Your knowledge,

Your continuation,

This flow.

We can take this a step further and consider the nature of mental states and thoughts.

No matter where we are,

We maintain a sense of self as in,

I am me.

I have always been me.

I have always been me.

This is just another expression of me.

And yet,

Depending on the people we're with,

Or the events that are happening,

Or the context of the situation,

Or the presence of intoxicants,

The way we observe ourself and the world changes.

Our outlook on the life changes.

Our mood,

Our perceptions,

Everything changes.

And yet we're the same individual.

We're the same thing.

It's easy to look at your life when you're in a depressed mood and only see the negative side.

To look back at your past and see every bad thing that happened.

Or when you're in a good mood,

To only see the positives.

To look at all of the good things that happen in your life.

But the thing is,

Is that each view is a false representation of what it's like to be you and what it was like to be you.

You're constantly changing,

Just like the boat,

Just like yourselves.

So what I'm positing is that there is no there is no self to hold on to.

The self is a construct,

A very convincing construct.

But one that when you look deeply and investigate it,

You can't quite find,

You can't quite latch onto it.

Other than as a process.

You notice the change,

But what is actually changing?

Meditate on that.

Meet your Teacher

Zachary PhillipsMelbourne, Australia

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Recent Reviews

Tempest

January 4, 2026

Excellent, well described idea provides a new perception about the self

Christi

January 30, 2025

I thought i was getting it.! I understood you, right up until the end. And then, the simple "meditate on that" blew me out of the water! Well played! Thanks for the insight!

Jesse

August 2, 2024

Holy…oh my…WOW! *MIND BLOWN* I LOVE stuff like this!

Edward

February 18, 2023

A perspective that had escaped me, but should not have.

Tony

January 24, 2022

Well described

Lynda

March 24, 2021

I love you're ending "meditate on that", sounds like a challenge. It's quite a bit to meditate on, but wow what deep ideas. Love it. Namaste 🙏

Joe

February 9, 2021

Hi Zachary, what a great idea and challenge! But despite all your very well set arguments I still believe in the self as a personality that evolves and requires the change ... In contrast, despite all the change one is recognized as a person known and looking like that child many years ago - but simply a bit older. Therefore, I would believe that there is something remaining which still identifies you even from an outward view. And similarly, I believe that also inside me there are still parts of my childhood - independent how old I will become. And this might be some part of my self ...

Jeff

January 9, 2021

Thanks for posting

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