Crossing Over With Pasquale & Dr Traci

Pasquale and Dr. Traci discuss what we know about crossing over to the spiritual realm after we die.

Welcome to our Spiritual Psychology Support Group with Dr. Traci Moreno, Licensed Psychologist, and Pasquale Naccarata, Spiritual Coach, Intuitive Guide, Astrologer, and Crystal Reiki Master. This Support Group is for anyone on a Journey of Spiritual, Emotional, and Physical Healing and growth. Follow us now to help, support & encourage each other on this amazing yet challenging journey. Dr Traci and Pasquale talk about the parts of this journey that no one wants to talk about- the difficulties & the struggles. Supporting each other through these challenges is essential to our success.

Transcript

Hey.

Hi.

This is Pasquale.

Dr.

Tracey.

How is everyone doing today?

I always when you ask that are you waiting for a response?

I am because I'm energetically feeling responses from people and we are connecting on a soul level.

Yes.

So today this is Crossing Over with Pasquale and Tracey.

Yes.

And we're gonna talk about the Crossing Over experience.

Yeah what we know about it you know because really a lot of people all of us right our human experience can't comprehend death and so we are very terrified and scared of it and so I think this can I think talks like this can help.

Absolutely.

You know because it doesn't have to be so terrifying.

There's nothing scary about it.

Everyone who is dying they're not scared.

It's not scary.

And I was gonna say like oh did they tell you but yes they actually did.

I've had a couple conversations here and there.

In my 20s especially because I was like I think that's when I was very much into kind of like death and dying right like I'm a Scorpio that's like one of my big like draws in life and I will tell you like that was something that I always looked into I always looked at I was trying to understand death and dying so I went to the source yeah and I was like so tell me what it was like what do I need to expect and I got a really solid understanding.

So what is your take on that?

You know it's it goes back to for me like this whole crossing over part really goes back to that whole kind of dance between the ego and spirit right it's that dance that we have through life right and and when we start to get closer to that moment where we're about to leave this earthly experience and move back into our spiritual experience that dance continues and the ego likes to really hold on right and so that's the part that like it doesn't want to die you don't want to continue to live.

I've read that in some spiritual books that the if our if we are scared and our ego does hold on those are the people who have like a more like drawn-out process of death and the people who you hear of that just like died instantly are the people that were more accepting.

In common terms.

Okay.

Agreed and and the thing to keep in mind because I always go back to is that one of the number one questions that I get is is when you're in the process of dying is there pain it's like the spirit doesn't feel pain the ego does right but you're as you start to cross yours kind of already separating right the ego is grasping and holding on and so there's not that overall like oh they suffered.

So I've also heard the beliefs that when we are dying say there's something traumatic of the reason that we're dying I've heard that the soul kind of begins to leave the body or can come in and out and so they're not experiencing as we would think of somebody dying in such an awful way and a lot of times in the grieving process people get stuck on that because they almost put themselves in that position and and to feel what they may have felt.

Yeah.

And I'm like that's not the same that's not the same thing because if our soul is kind of leaving or even coming in and out and what I what I refer to is you watch these documentaries on I think there's different ones on people surviving these traumatic experiences and they'll even tell you that they don't remember they don't remember anything like it felt they'll just say it felt like I was like you know hit by a truck like it could be like they were like stabbed or shot or you know something something pretty brutal and you know but they say they don't it didn't feel like anything and a lot of them like and maybe that's the shock.

It's that 30 seconds it's that 30 seconds.

What is the 30 seconds?

Like it's the it's the way I describe a lot of times it's it's this impulsiveness in our bodies right it takes 30 seconds so if like you're in that moment of like an impact of some form it's 30 seconds by that time you're already out.

Wait.

I know.

Wait I don't get it though.

It was too deep for me.

No.

I thought you meant 30 seconds for like if something happened to our body physically that was like making it die like for our brain to it to signal our brain to understand what was happening.

It's so that that pain right yeah it's it's it's 30 seconds and then they're moved so like they don't feel it because the body doesn't register it okay until they've already passed so they don't feel it put your hand you know somebody puts their hand on a hot stove they still get burned because it takes a it takes that 30 seconds time okay it takes that much time for you to register that pain right so when you're going through that it's the exact same 30 seconds I've never heard that I've heard of the five-second rule and some of us are five seconds my son is like 25 seconds oh my god my family could be like 30 minutes but it's like 30 seconds it's like that impulse it takes it that long for that to register so if you think of it that way right someone who's had a traumatic experience right a stabbing let's use that because that's what you use okay right like a stabbing there and it's fatal right they're already they're already separating and moving by the time their body is registering the pain which is why a lot of times in my from my perspective why sometimes they don't realize they're dead it's because it happens so fast you know what I mean okay so they're crossing over process they're like wait what what just happened and then they'll see the light or they'll see someone or they'll feel their people that they love and they'll recognize things right but it's all energetic it's an energetic shift right and some survivors on these documentaries have come like come back in like and been able to like just dial the phone or dial 9-1-1 or something like that and that's generally like all they remember but they'll say like there's almost like an anesthesia in the body like because it's not they're not processing that pain it's like I think of it as like it's just overload so yeah I mean it's that it's that adrenaline rush right the adrenaline our body does have some of that right but yeah that that to me is like there there are so many great books out there that talk about this right and one of my favorites is like she talks about the fact that like she died of cancer and in that moment she didn't feel the cancer she felt her husband crying and her mom being sad like in different countries in different parts of the world yeah all at the same time recognizing oh shit oh darn it I'm dead and then going what do I do right like recognizing that and then starting the crossover actually crossing and then coming back cancer free Wow like and and it's all just part of that experience right it's like the crossing over part is pretty I recently read a book that talks about that experience okay I know I know exactly the case study you're talking about my favorite book but like like I think that the key is is like is to recognize for us is you know if you are afraid of death right the thing to kind of grasp in from my perspective which what I did was was kind of look at it and go what do you believe right and it goes back down to faith and and I'm a big believer that you know whether you come from a religious background whether you come from a spiritual background whether you come from an atheist background you still have a belief yeah right and it's that belief that gives you kind of that where you kind of land with it and I always just say like if you think about it right if love is the vibration that is running everything which I know it sometimes we don't feel it in the world but it truly is right if that's the vibration then death can't be it's just transformation so kind of recognizing kind of grasp that it's not the end yeah well I mean some people even go further to you know in philosophy to say like there actually is no death but but you know we're talking about of course like the death of our human body our human form and then transitioning into spirit but the actual our energy our soul our spirit whatever you want to refer to it as that does not change at all that's just it expands moving on it gets bigger yeah it's bigger it expands it's more energized okay you feel more like yourself okay so let's talk about like what okay so that's that's the actual like when it happens like when the actual death happens so then like what do you know about the process from there from the process from when it happens yeah so what I've always understood is is that you get pulled and you're kind of present for a little while and your energy slowly gets kind of reattached to like source right to like that main energy that were derived from right yeah and so as it begins to reattach that it has to reassimilate right so you go through a process of kind of letting go of the human right which to me if you look at it it's kind of that like judgment but I wouldn't really call it judgment it's more of like a review of your life kind of a review that's what I what you've experienced in this life what have you learned how have you grown you know where how's your energy taking a different shape because of it and it slowly starts to move and as you go through that download and kind of that process you start to reassimilate with like source and that's where you start to be expansive and can visit right and I did skip of course because as you're being pulled like that you get greeted by everyone who's had a part in your life who has crossed what's interesting is in my research reading as well it's you know we think of like I think of like oh I want to be greeted by my my dogs who passed or like you know you're gonna have your like your your loved ones that have passed but there's also people from past lives that like I guess consciously we don't even we don't even know that but like that's like really cool that was like a little mind-blowing for me to think of like oh my god I could have like other dogs and other loved ones and you know from other lives that are just waiting yeah you know it's it's it goes back to and we refer to this in one of the past episodes don't remember which one probably the last one where it's like you have your like birth family like your human family and then there's this like soul family so when you actually leave right like what I've experienced and that I've actually sat through several more than I would say double-handed times where I've sat with someone who is dying or crossing right and and the piece that I always see in every single case is I see the energy getting expansive I can feel the angels coming forward I can see them acknowledging those those beings right and they typically I think we talked about this I don't remember if we talked about it offline but like it's the number one thing everyone always says mom like every time it's they see their mom and it's their mom who's comforting them kind of helping them through it right and as they kind of move into this like party of souls right but this energy they start to get through there and as they start to enter that they slowly start to leave right and that's where they kind of remingle with kind of that soul family that energetic group that they've started so it's not necessarily even the mom in in this life it could be a mom from a past life or it could be an another energy that you refer to yeah in your soul family as mom I it's not it doesn't have to be so literal I it felt pretty literal to me like in each of the times like I and I sat with my grandfather when when he was crossing and and I remember him saying mom and he was like calling his mom and then speaking in Italian to her and I can tell that he was talking to the woman so a friend of mine I was with her when her mom was crossing and it was the same thing she was talking to her mom I can tell that it was her mom that actually raised her but if they remember the energy is different than the mom that you would have experienced in this life right you're looking you're thinking of something with pure love right right so it's a very different right you don't have all the pain with it just the love yeah I would imagine that even someone who maybe doesn't know their mom right like my kids are adopted and you know one of them really doesn't know their mom and I would imagine that when he crosses he's probably going to see her as kind of that person that he's come reconnecting with that that kind of but it's just the comfort I believe you know that you get from that and if your parents haven't it's going to be the next figure but when we're talking older like it's typically mom and once that happens you know they kind of mingle for a little while they stick around I do think they like to visit their funerals to be really honest not to they're not there they're coming along with that you they're feeling the energy of it right they're supporting it I was there was a tragic death I'm a friend of mine is he had a tragic death in his family and and she was next to him as he was speaking and and you know every time you put her she put her arm around him he started crying and and he didn't know that but like I can see it and sit yeah oh this is really really really tough you know but it's just because you know right they understand I think that's the key right is that you have to realize it's not scary so you have to take the fear out of it and go to love yeah the love of it is they understand and they want to be with you and they want to support you right but they also have to kind of continue to shed yeah the human well and I always say to funerals are for us it's for us to be able to grieve and gain that closure they're fine it's the ones with the problem is us the ones left behind here now having that loss in our life yeah the physical loss I 100% agree like I actually have said like I don't want a funeral I don't know just take me burn me up drop me somewhere Irish the Irish wake we'll do it I will celebrate you before it's time I got you okay so I have also read that there's a process of whatever our beliefs of kind of death like it like let's say for somebody that does not believe that there's heaven or like really does believe in hell and that's a whole nother can of worms that we won't go down right now but let's say somebody does really believe in a hell and yeah but um so it's hard to explain so I guess when they when they cross over they will still have to deal with their own version perception but what they believe because what what we believe is actually what we experience as soon as we cross over and there's like guides that can help us through that process but some people can get stuck there and that's like considered their hell you know that's that totally okay that's that shedding part okay because you have to shed the human right the human idea the human ideologies that we have right the the reality is and how I will kind of explain it from my perspective right like so my truth of it is is that we create if you look at you today right today we are here in this room I'm creating the world that I'm living in right today right and so everything that happens is a result of what I have created well our perception is our reality exactly right so like believe is half so the same thing is and when you cross you carry those same ideals over and so that is what you're creating right because you're still I know I'm energy I know I've crossed but I still remember being human right like you still have that period it's that transition period where you can either kind of shed that and move past it learn past it to get back into that real space right back into heaven or that source so if you're really this is what I've read is so if people are really kind of like stubborn and fixed on their on their belief system and that is like not changing no matter what they obviously have a harder time and they're going to stay in that kind of like purgatory or whatever they believe right until they can actually process through that and I'm like wouldn't it be this is you know kind of like a philosophical rhetorical question but it's like wouldn't it be better even if you have those beliefs like you can have your beliefs but I'm kind of like I have my beliefs I'm very strong in those beliefs but I also have like an opening to go but who knows you know and to me I think that's so much better than just going nope this is it you know I agree I agree then you don't like put yourself in a position ever even in even in life you know being like stuck it's it's so the truth but you have to remember there are different perspectives right some people some souls their whole journey is just human right and understand this version of what they've been born into which could be that stuck repetitive you know belief in something right and there's other people who are like no my blinders are off and totally open and I'm looking through the world in a different way and I'm open to something different it all varies right but like that that transitional period isn't only even when you're like like your version of earth right or your version of death right that's part of it but you can also get stuck there if you have like a deep hurt that you recognize now was a deep hurt that you caused and you're looking for that forgiveness from someone who's currently here right that can get them stuck into that shedding area too because they're not ready to move right because they're trying to resolve it right you know I was a real bad parent and I hurt my kids and I was really bad I don't believe my kids would say that but yes hypothetical depending on the day you know we all have our own understanding of what a bad is but like you could be that like really kind of like mean-spirited person right and caused harm and when you finally get to that shedding spot you're like oh my god what did I do and try to get that forgiveness from that person that you caused harm to right and that person can choose to forgive you or not right and if they choose not to it could get you stuck there for a little while because you want to make amends for it but it's like putting yourself it goes back to like putting yourself in your own kind of purgatory exactly it's not like it's being done to you no it's like the everything that I've read is like this it all comes from within it's us we're creating that believe it's happening yeah it's totally what we believe like it's that it's what we it's freeing to me totally you know but it's the same as like when you look at the world today right I can choose to wake up and be crabby and grumpy and guess what very true I chose that right I did I chose I even said it to you I was like yeah cuz I was feeling a little crappy right now do I need to stay in that energy no I can choose not to be right right it's that choice that's the key to kind of living in this life you know sometimes we like to place the blame on what's happening on astrology or God or people right but ultimately it's us making those choices right and that's the same choices that I believe happens when you leave you get to make choices yeah choices are great I know it's such a fun topic it can be a little dark though it's it's it's a tough one right and I would always say like you know it's always good that if you're ever in a space like this and you need to talk I think it's seeking the people that can talk about it right yeah commenting below is always a great way because we will definitely respond in what our beliefs are or even helping you guide through it but I will tell you the one thing that I learned is is that it's the fear if you can release the fear of death it really isn't scary well and it helps us in life you know because a lot of times well I mean what holds us back in life is some fear of some sort right and when we're no longer scared like that the world is just opened up to us and we can really do anything it's powerful the fear is powerful to fear kills love is the opposite right they're the same yeah it's just two different polarities in the same energy which one do you choose the fear of love right and I think it's it's a good idea like for me it's always a good idea to go into a practice of releasing fear like whenever you see the fear yeah you have to release it I find that death is a topic that people are so fearful of in fact that they don't even they're they're not even sure of their belief system and no matter what their beliefs what your beliefs are I think it's really important to kind of explore that yeah and figure that out because that will help you through it because like we said we're we're all going to experience it it's gonna happen to you know everybody we we love and us and you know obviously it's inevitable so like as humans we can't afford to be that scared of it obviously is it is it awful is it scary yes but it doesn't have to be to the level like because I think we go into complete denial about it and then when it happens we're like just I mean thrown off and destroyed I agree I will tell you like I one of the things that I want to kind of like highlight is is when we're talking about not fearing death it doesn't mean that you can't feel sad right right like we're human we're supposed to feel our emotions yeah motion is the thing that makes us human right so for me it's like you know if someone crosses I feel sad for that I feel sad for that loss whether it's still going to go through the grieving process totally right but I'm not afraid of where they're going right right like to me if that's not even a question right it's just that I'm not gonna see you right or talk to you or be a part of your life the way I was used to and so what we end up processing with grief is is that loss for us what that means for us and processing that that pain and you know also in in talking to anybody who has recently lost a loved one I say be really careful because a lot of times we tend to even if when we do have these strong spiritual or religious beliefs or that they are in a better place or you know they're in heaven or whatever it might be you know when you say that to somebody in the beginning oh my gosh like you just want to punch him in the face because that is not the time or the place in the beginning of the grieving process because I mean that's just in a time where you are validating your own grief and that's okay and really there's no words so kind of getting off on a different topic but what I recommend in those moments is to just be there be present say I'm thinking about you I love you you know give them a hand on the shoulder I hold their hand give them a hug no words are needed I love you I'm here that I mean yeah and if there are virtual hugs there's little means that yeah yeah wonders sending a text now and again and saying I'm thinking about you let me know what you need or asking somebody what what can I do you know but but saying any kind of giving any like oh they're in a better place now they're in heaven they're not you know even if that's that person's belief it's just not the time right well they're experiencing a loss yeah and I think it's important to be present in the loss right right they they'll come to terms with where they're later on in the in the that's towards like the end of the grieving process when they get more towards acceptance and then that belief sets them free you know then that really helps them let go and accept and heal I totally agree yeah one of the things that I think is important that you you did talk about because I think it's an important one is I'm a big believer that you should explore what those options are I mean I will tell you in college I I wasn't a spiritual like that wasn't my major but I took a lot of spiritual classes and the whole reason I took almost every religion dying was the big one for me was understanding because I wanted to kind of prove my people wrong to be really honest and and but like I I will tell you like it helps and what I always go back to whenever it's kind of like learning right about these types of topics is always remember like my it's the my favorite thing that Buddha said was was listen to what everyone has to say and take what feels right to you yeah and that to me is the key when it comes to death and dying it's like the crossing over part it's what do you believe and what do you want to believe right because remember you create that it's a choice too so make the choice that you feel good about not necessarily the choices that you're told you know and I think exploring those choosing to believe that they're there that they're here with you still in spirit if that helps you heal and it helps you feel better and move on in life then why not believe it it costs you nothing and it and they are yeah I mean well I truly believe that they are some people who question it are like you know and it's like choose figure it out research it a little bit more figure it out because really I mean it's such a huge part of our lives that we can't afford not to kind of follow that up and research it you know we research how many hours do we spend in days and weeks and you know researching birth like random no I'm talking about like even stupid stuff online well I mean we wish you can go down the rabbit hole and like the dumbest stuff but like you know something like this it really I don't think we give it the attention that it needs because it's our fear and so we don't like that's the difference right like when you talk to people who are like having a baby right whether that's actually conceiving or adopting like you're bringing a life into your home you learn everything you can right right you talk to people you read all the books like you come up with your own idea of how you're gonna parent right because it's love so you're like excited about it uh-huh death is just that's a really good other side of the circle right you should also kind of explore that a little bit yeah because it's not as scary as sometimes we're taught or expected to believe well I feel like a lot of people the fear will cause that resistance for them to not do it and then all of a sudden you go into like this denial as if it's not gonna happen yeah it's not gonna happen to you and I'm like well I got news for you you know it's gonna happen you know and so it's it's not going to like you know burst your reality bubble you know it's and if anything I think the more we learn education really is power right so the more you do it does help decrease that fear even if you are an atheist you know yeah so I mean that's that's fine you know no matter what you believe but atheists have beliefs right it's still a belief it's it's you know there was a thing I had read that was like you know prayers and intentions are really the same thing right if you have just a belief that is based on logic right but prayers intention logic it's all the same thing right you're connecting with a different power right right so your death is going to be the same thing right right it's what you choose and I think it's okay to accept and learn more about it yeah definitely it's very helpful yeah we'll definitely provide some links to our preferred like I have some great references that I always like to include because this is a such a charged topic that I typically give to people every time someone sees me that the topic comes out if there's anything any questions or you want us to explore other parts of this or any other topics at all you know we're planning now for you know future for for next year for in terms of topics so let us know what kind of topics you want to hear yeah we'd love to hear from you for sure

Reviews

So glad you referenced death of an adopted child as related to Love.