Flavours Of Enlightenment

In this excerpt, Spiritual Teacher, Morgan O. Smith talks to Gabrielle Bell and Comedian, Nathan Griffith about the different levels and types of awakenings that can occur under the umbrella of Full Blown Enlightenment.

Transcript

Well,

If you focus on the right parts of the brain,

You can experience the Buddhist form of enlightenment.

When I say enlightenment,

I'm not talking about the profound experience that a person has in the moment when you have the realization,

But the feeling that you should have afterwards.

So that's very difficult to achieve.

So to be able to achieve that profound deepness,

That groundedness,

Feeling grounded,

Tranquility,

Peace,

Liberation in your everyday life,

That would be the goal after you have the blowout experience.

That's one way to look at it,

But you don't have to have a blowout experience to have that permanent sense of peace of mind.

That can happen gradually,

And you can fall into that without having a blowout experience.

So there's different kinds of enlightenment?

Yes,

Definitely.

But all forms of enlightenment have the same essence.

There's something about it that when you recognize it,

You know that it's it,

And it has the same essence,

But there's different types of enlightenment.

How many different types?

Gosh,

How many flavors of ice cream is there?

A lot.

Maybe the same amount when it comes to enlightenment.

That's why no one ever agrees.

One of the reasons why no one ever agrees,

Because in a sense,

People are talking about different things.

And also too,

If you do different types of meditations,

If you stuck to a certain meditation for 40 years,

That type of enlightenment,

If you reach enlightenment,

Is going to be different in another type.

So it gets a little tricky.

So it depends.

Like with me,

I'm meditating in alpha,

I'm meditating in theta,

I'm meditating in delta,

I'm meditating in epsilon,

I'm meditating in the default mode network areas,

I'm meditating in iota,

I'm meditating in gamma,

Hyper gamma,

Lambda.

I'm also experiencing with Mu.

Mu is another one,

Which I don't know if that's the name of it.

That's what I named it,

Only because it's one of the next letters in the Greek alphabet,

So I just took it.

But a proper academic is probably going to give it,

Maybe Mu is not the name.

But I'm experimenting with all these different things.

So I've experienced from an awakening standpoint,

Spiritual awakening standpoint,

I've experienced many different types of awakenings.

Many different types.

And I can go through them,

If I can.

I'll go through them in a second if I can.

But the blowout experience,

The final one that I had,

I shouldn't say it's final because there's probably more to come.

But what felt final to me back in 2019,

It was like the combination of all the different various forms of enlightenment all in one.

So it was the everythingness and it was the nothingness at the same time.

It was like the full non dual experience.

So it was like everything that could possibly happen within an enlightenment experience could happen.

It's at the point now that after I had that experience,

I did have another spiritual awakening last year,

Almost about a year ago.

August?

Yeah,

It was last year,

August.

And I no longer call those experiences enlightenment experiences.

I just call them awakenings.

Because what happened in 2019 was so profound.

I can't call anything enlightenment after that experience.

I just call them spiritual awakenings.

So I will say from the standpoint that there are different types of spiritual awakenings from that standpoint.

There's different ones and there's different types of awakenings in different levels of consciousness.

So you can have a certain type of spiritual awakening in the physical,

In the gross realm.

You can have different types of spiritual awakening in the,

We call them nature mysticism.

You can have it in the state of,

There's nature mysticism,

There's what's after that.

There's psychic mysticism,

Which the traditional form of kundalini awakenings would be put in that category.

There is subtle mysticism and then there is causal mysticism.

But the main goal is to,

The main goal should be for the person who wants to go all the way is to have a non-dual,

To have non-dual mysticism.

So there's stuff that can happen in the gross level,

That's the physical level.

I shouldn't even call that an awakening,

But your body can go through a type of awakening that's awakening to the body itself.

That could happen.

I wouldn't necessarily call it spiritual,

But an awakening type can happen within the body itself.

And that could be sexual and that has a list of other things that could happen in that part of the body.

And you can have the nature mysticism,

Which there's spiritual awakenings in that category.

And in nature mysticism,

You can have the experience of what it means to be truly human.

So you can have an experience what it means to be truly human,

Like really authentically human.

And that's a profound divine experience.

But there's nowhere close to the ultimate non-dual experience.

But that experience alone is very profound.

It can change your life if you just have one of these experiences.

And that experience,

Again,

You can have,

You can know what it means to be authentically human.

And in that experience,

You can have the full experience of being what it means to be human and not experience God whatsoever.

It is divine,

But you wouldn't necessarily have the experience of what it means to be the mind of God.

But in that experience,

It doesn't matter why you're in it.

That part doesn't matter.

The point is you realize how human you actually are.

And that is very profound.

So that could happen.

But within that nature mysticism,

What could happen is that could be an experience where you experience all what I spoke about last time,

All human atrocities.

It could be nature,

But you can experience nature as it is,

Like mother nature.

You can experience being different types of animals.

You can experience being just one type of animal.

So one time I had an experience where I cracked out of an egg and realized I was a chicken.

That's how it was so profound.

Being a chicken,

Being a chick cracking out of an egg,

That was so profound.

I cried tears of joy,

Realized I was a chicken.

That could happen.

Or it can bounce from animal to animal,

Or you can have them simultaneously where you experience all animals.

That could happen.

You can experience being a tree.

You can experience being just a speck of sand.

You can experience being a blade of grass.

You can experience being a drop of water,

Just dropping off.

This is the nature mysticism?

Yeah,

That's the nature one.

So for somebody who is kind of neurotic,

But very ardently spiritual seeking,

What is the awakening that is best to strive for?

I can't say which one is best to strive for.

None of these things I actually try to strive for.

They just happen.

Where you're at in the levels of consciousness is what's going to happen.

In these moments you can tell where you're at in terms of the levels that you're at.

Is there a way?

Does that mean that you shouldn't try?

You can if you want.

You can make that your goal.

But I would say why limit yourself?

Why limit yourself to the nature mysticism when you can move up?

Because if you're moving up,

You're probably going to experience all these things anyway.

So I wouldn't tell a person,

Focus on the nature mysticism and that's it.

Because you're going to lose that on the causal.

You're going to lose that on the psychic.

You're going to lose that on the non-dual.

Well,

I'm saying this,

But it's not like you have a choice per se of what happens on the journey.

That's the touch of grace.

The touch of grace decides that that's what you're going to have.

That's what you're going to have.

But at the same time,

You're no different than the touch of grace.

You are the touch of grace.

The very thing that is touching to allow you to have these experiences.

But these are things that can happen.

And it can go all over the place.

You may end up having non-dual and then the next time you have a nature mysticism experience and so on.

So it doesn't have to be in order.

These are just things that your body has to go through because you're made up of different bodies.

Each of your subtle bodies can end up having an experience which will dominate everything else within your being.

So these are things that can happen in the nature mysticism.

You can even realize that you're a rock and have the experience of a rock.

And that could be non-dual in the sense that there is you and you are one with the rock.

So that's a form of non-dualism,

But it's not the ultimate non-dualism.

But you can have the experience of being a rock and then you can feel everything the rock is feeling and you will know what the rock has gone through since the beginning of its formation.

That can happen.

Is that saying that a rock has consciousness then?

The rock itself doesn't have consciousness,

But the rock is playing the role of the rock.

So you can experience in a sense what the soul is playing the role of the rock.

You can have that experience.

But the rock itself is just the rock.

It's playing the role of the rock.

But as you're walking around the rock is not witnessing you walking by and saying,

Oh look at that human being.

He thinks he's human.

The rock's not doing that.

But God from the standpoint of playing all the roles,

He's playing all the characters and playing all the props.

Once you're a rock.

.

.

You may have a nature mysticism experience and you believe that the rock has consciousness.

That could happen.

But at some point you realize that you're stuck.

That's not really necessarily the case.

But a lot of people who have these beliefs,

That's because their tradition is built on having those experiences and they believe that the water and the rock and everything that is conscious is aware of everything that's going on.

There's some truth to that,

But that's more magical thinking.

But the rock itself is consciousness.

Yes,

The rock itself is consciousness.

But I don't believe necessarily the rock has a consciousness that realizes that you're walking by and things of that sort.

At least to that degree.

But if you go deep enough,

There is a consciousness of the rock.

But it has nothing to do with the rock at that point.

It's just consciousness.

No,

It's just consciousness.

And consciousness can interact with consciousness and you have information of what the rock's gone through.

So it's not necessarily the rock is speaking to you and saying,

I used to be lava and then I became hard and became a rock.

It's not doing that.

But consciousness can tell you where the rock has been,

The history of the rock.

Consciousness can tell you that.