Talk : Make Your Soul Purpose Your Sole Purpose

This is a recording of a live Zoom call between me, fellow guide and teacher Renee Rotkopf where we discuss how to life a blissful life where we follow our passion. When our soul purpose becomes our sole purpose, we can transcend the ordinary and become extra-ordinary.

Transcript

So,

Hi everyone,

I'm Tom Evans,

In case you don't know me,

I'm an Insight Timer,

Meditation Guide and Teacher and I'm delighted today to be talking with fellow Insight Timer,

Meditation Guide and Teacher,

Renee Rotkoff.

Hi Renee.

Oh,

Hi Tom,

How are you?

So just so everyone knows,

It's about 5 o'clock UK time,

Which is why I'm in the dark and it's about 11 o'clock where you are,

Is that right Renee?

This afternoon,

It's about 12 o'clock.

So we're speaking from two sides of the pond and we're having a set of conversations about soul and our soul purpose and the idea being,

What would happen if we made our soul purpose,

Which is S-O-U-L-E,

Our soul purpose,

Which is S-O-L-E,

Would life be easier,

Would it be a challenge,

Would it be harder,

Would it be exciting?

And let's assume it is a thing that we all wanted to do,

Is it any easier?

How do we get into it all?

So perhaps I could start,

Renee,

Just by asking you about what was your earliest memory of connecting with your soul?

It's a very,

Very good question.

You know,

I think my earliest memory in regards to soul is awareness.

Like I remember when I was like two years old,

Being very aware of what was going on around me,

But yet that awareness was inside a body that could only do so much.

And as I started to get older,

Like maybe four,

Five,

Six,

And language,

You know,

Was starting to become more available,

I realized that I was fascinated with the word soul.

And I would always like talk to people about soul because it felt to me that there was a greater awareness around who we are and what we do,

And that that was something I needed to understand more of.

And of course,

Most of the people,

Including my family,

Did not really understand my questions or didn't know how to answer most of my questions.

But it started this ongoing,

Maybe inner inquiry of,

Wow,

What is this really all about?

And then hearing various religions talk to soul in a specific way,

I had a different maybe relationship to it,

And I kind of needed to uncover or make more connections to what soul is or what it meant for me.

And what about you?

What about you,

Tom?

Well,

I was raised a Roman Catholic.

So,

You know,

The idea that you have a soul is in that religion.

But I guess it didn't mean much to me.

And I was always a bit confused about things like,

You know,

I've heard these terms,

This is later on in life,

In my late teens,

I heard the terms like higher self and soul and guides and angels and archangels.

And I was always concerned or intrigued about the hierarchy.

And even though in the Catholic Church,

There is a bit of a hierarchy,

You get this idea that there's us and then the soul and they're sort of disparate.

You've also got this idea of a guardian angel.

And you got the idea of the angelic realms and the archangelic realms.

I couldn't split any difference between them.

I felt there were just one continuum,

Really,

Of guidance.

But I didn't have the vocabulary then nor the knowledge or any of the learnings that I might have now to be able to do anything with that,

Really.

And so for me,

I guess I only found about my soul laterally.

Because I found out that when adversity visited my door,

You could see it as something that might get you down.

But I started to learn that adversity was a prompt from the soul to say,

Actually,

There's a better way or there's a better time or better method of doing this,

Or you shouldn't be going down that road at all.

And opportunity and serendipity was also a prompt from the soul to say,

Hey,

You're on the right line.

And I guess it's only really in the last few years,

Really,

And bear in mind,

I'm rocking into my mid 60s shortly next year,

That I went,

You know what,

You can actually have a dialogue.

And if you imagine you have a dialogue and you ask for help,

Which is in a lot of religions,

You know,

In a lot of religions,

People ask me often what the difference is in meditation and prayer is.

And I say,

Well,

Meditation is it's coming from you.

And with prayer,

You're asking for an external agency to come on board and help you.

But often,

As you ask for a guidance from the soul,

It's amazing what you get back.

But I don't know about you,

But my soul has got a wicked sense of humour.

And that maybe is mirrored in me on the earth plane,

Because I've got a fairly wicked sense of humour as well.

And so often the answer comes in a very cheeky form,

Or you get the repeats,

The classic,

I'm going to wake you up at 333 in the morning.

I'll do that today,

Tomorrow and the whole week.

And that's me speaking to you.

Do you get that sort of thing as well,

That kind of serendipitous communication?

You know,

When I'm paying attention,

And that has been like the biggest,

Maybe challenge slash awakening is to pay attention to those odd things that surface,

That instead of going,

Why is this happening,

To become more aware of what is happening and to listen to my thoughts while something is happening.

Because there's that quick to judge what's going on,

Like a light flickering or a way to explain or waking up in the middle of the night when you're like,

Why am I up?

But then there's wait a minute,

What am I?

What am I thinking about now?

What am I feeling now?

And what am I getting at this moment in time?

And as I started to listen deeper and do greater inquiry in that moment,

Paying attention,

Listening,

Listening,

I started to realize,

Oh,

Wait a minute,

There is a dialogue that's happening.

I'm just not always clued into it.

But when I can remember to be so,

Then I am.

So yeah,

In a similar way,

I understand,

I love what you're saying that adversity is a prompt from soul.

I think that's really,

Really an interesting way to acknowledge what's happening when something is happening that you don't like.

Where your ego may think that something should be a specific way versus taking the opportunity to reset,

Reboot,

Rethink what's going on in your life and maybe hear what else could be happening.

And see,

Because while you were speaking,

My attention was drawn to something over your left shoulder,

Which is,

Is that a Merkava?

Yes,

It is.

Right.

So this is interesting.

So often what happens is,

Is that we're shown things in plain sight,

Because you can have that busy mind,

You can overwrite it or whatever.

And I'm just about to embark on some,

Creating some new study materials.

And it's all based around the thing called the cube of space.

And that was a little reminder from my soul is don't forget to also talk about the Merkava,

Tom.

And obviously,

If I was just solely focusing on this call,

And by the way,

I'm not going off this call,

This what you're saying,

It's just that,

That drew my attention.

And often where our attention goes,

As you say,

Where your thought stream goes,

Is the pointer to what you should be paying attention to.

So thank you,

Renee,

For reminding me not to forget about the Merkava.

Yes,

Don't forget about the Merkava.

Merkava is really,

It's,

It's,

So it's very special,

And it's very special to me,

Like I started my particular path of study and inquiry and learning,

Sacred geometry became something that I was incredibly fascinated with,

Because we grow up thinking that the world is chaos.

Like we have,

You know,

This,

This,

You know,

Wait,

The world is like this,

Because religion tells us it's this.

And then we have like,

You know,

The chaos principle,

Because no one can really explain a lot of disasters or terrible things that happen.

And yet somehow,

When you dig deeper into the fabric or the fascia of life,

You start to realize that there are patterns underneath the emotional content underneath the story of what's going on.

And so the Merkava is definitely a very powerful sacred geometry symbol for those people that may or may not be aware of sacred geometry and some of what is in store through,

Through understanding the inherent patterns that are inside of all of life,

Which is really kind of amazing and exciting.

Like it's something that brings me back in my thought process when I understand that there is a pattern and I can actually connect into that pattern emotionally,

As well as mentally.

Interesting.

So before you found this,

Whatever it is you do now,

Which we'll explore a bit later,

You had a completely different career path,

Didn't you?

I did.

I was a creative director in advertising for about 20 plus years.

I was always a creative individual and I was an artist when I was younger.

And then when I graduated college,

I realized,

Oh,

I can't really make money being an artist or not in the way that I needed to,

Because I couldn't afford to be a starving artist at that time.

And so I got very fascinated with computer graphics as things were starting to develop in those years.

And I started to pay greater attention to making things with computers and then going down the path of learning more about advertising and branding and marketing.

And it became a really big passion for a number of years.

It was very exciting for a number of years until I realized that it was incredibly soul-sucking.

And as I started to,

Let's say,

Rise in the ranks of the environment,

That the politics became so great that I could no longer tolerate it.

And realizing that there was something else happening for me and that my soul was really starting to come online.

And I was becoming a lot more sensitive to what was going on around me.

And there was a greater need to serve.

And I can't really explain it than any other reason is that there was this tremendous need to serve and it wasn't serving corporations,

It was serving people.

And it became very painful for me to stay,

Even though I was fine to stay.

But it became very evident that I needed to leave.

And it was definitely a soul calling that brought me to doing more of the work that I'm doing now and why I'm so enamored with soul and soulpreneur and soul purpose and that whole category of personal development.

I guess,

Is it useful to have that previous life within this life for the work that you're doing now?

Tremendously.

I feel like it's given me a really amazing skill set.

But beyond the skill set,

There's something about branding that is really about intention.

We hear a lot about intention and create an intention and something will happen.

It's not always a one-to-one in terms of like,

Yes,

Magic happens when you create an intention,

But you're working with a focused energy when you do that.

And what I learned early on in advertising is the branding arena of the vast corporation behind any particular company,

The branding stop along the process would always garner the most amount of budget.

So branding requires a lot of time and energy before the thing is really developed.

And in a corporation or a medium to large business,

There's a lot of intention that goes into facilitating and creating a brand.

And that brand is like creating life.

You know,

It's like creating a baby and there's a lot of thought and a lot of energy that goes into what you're making.

And so I've always had,

Because of my past,

This understanding that when you,

As a solopreneur,

When you can step into what your brand is,

And it feels like a living entity within yourself,

And you're feeling emotionally connected to who you are and how you're coming across to others,

That there is a way to dimensionalize your intention while you're facilitating your branding,

Your marketing.

Because I've definitely known since I made the switch from being a corporate gal to being someone who was walking her soul's path and more in the community of wellness practitioners and an array of other people just working on things that they love,

That there was also a level of distrust for marketing and a distrust for branding.

And part of,

I feel like what I want to do and what I want to bring is to bring the level of authenticity and real authenticity,

Soul authenticity,

To what someone is creating.

So there's a lot going on out there in regards to marketing and branding and all of that,

But it almost seems like it's something outside of who the individual is.

Some people may not even be clear on what their brand is.

They just know they need to get their products out there,

Or they just know that I've got to learn this tip or trick,

Or I have to look at my competition,

Which is true,

You do.

But that branding really comes from a very powerful place inside of the individual and that it becomes a living container that they're broadcasting out that's very connected,

I think,

To their soul and their soul's intention.

Wow.

Well,

So much to unpack in that lot there.

So obviously one of the things that keeps us in these corporate jobs is the money,

Especially we've got like a cost of living crisis right across the globe right now with energy prices going up and what have you.

So how do you make the transition then from having a lucrative job that might be stressing you out,

Where you're not connected with your soul or your soul's screaming through,

To following your soul perfectly?

You talked about being an artist before,

And then the impoverished artist is a stereotype,

Which I think we all can recognize.

How do you make that transition and pay your bills at the same time?

So is following your soul path mutually exclusive from being able to pay your bills?

Well,

I just want to say it's not easy.

It's not easy.

So depending on your life circumstances,

It could be easier than not.

For me,

It was not an easy path,

And it was a path that really made me dig even deeper into my belief sets.

So it's interesting when sometimes you move through life and life feels like there's a wind behind you and everything you decide to do,

There's momentum,

You're in the flow and things are happening and you're like,

Oh my God,

This is really great.

I'm so glad I took this turn.

For me,

It was a bit more challenging than I anticipated.

And I always had a very optimistic viewpoint for how things were going to work out.

And I started to realize that things were not working out as easily as I had hoped.

And at the same time,

I needed to be more creative.

I needed to step outside my beliefs of what I thought something was going to look like.

And I really had to dig deeper into my soul to really align with,

Wait a minute,

But this is who I am,

This is who I'm becoming.

So how do I make things work?

And that was pivotal in terms of survival strategy,

But also to help me understand more of how to create what I needed to create to help others that I feel as though I'm in that path of helping others that are maybe not the same as me,

But similar to me,

That have a very similar desire to evolve in that way.

Interesting.

I know it's also used this term,

Soulpreneur.

You mentioned that before.

And I fell into being an authorpreneur by accident.

I didn't realize that's what I was.

Being a soulpreneur is being an entrepreneur,

But the difference is being an entrepreneur,

You just may be driven by wanting to establish a business for yourself that you may have a certain passion for doing,

Or you may think that there's a practical reason for being.

There are many reasons why people will want to step into a particular line of work or be an entrepreneur in a particular way.

Being a soulpreneur means that you're really driven by a higher purpose,

That there is a greater desire to connect to yourself and to connect to others in a spiritual way.

One thing that I always used to say was,

I was in the spiritual closet in corporate America.

I was very open with people around who I was and my sexuality,

And I would never kept very much from people.

I'm a pretty open individual,

But spiritually,

I didn't want to talk to people about it because I was around so many cynics.

In advertising,

There's just so much cynicism.

In corporations,

There's just such a way to be around belief systems.

Knowing that you can feel free to attract those individuals that are spiritual individuals,

Knowing that who you are is in line with what you want to create,

And that there's a deeper spiritual connection that you have to what you're bringing into the world.

I think it goes back to the Merkaba in terms of really aligning yourself to this greater energy that's expanding inside of you.

Then it's a question of how are you listening to that energy,

And how are you being creative to bring that into the world and to share,

To almost get beyond some fears that you may have about yourself?

Because there's a real personal development process,

I think,

That happens when you become a solopreneur,

And that you really need to move past certain limiting beliefs that you may have been carrying with you for maybe all of your life,

Maybe a cycle that you're in to be able to finally step out into what it is that you really want to be doing.

Being a solopreneur,

Let's say,

Are you at that point where your sole purpose,

S-O-U-L-E,

Has become your sole purpose,

S-O-L-E?

Yes,

Most definitely.

I believe that that was happening even when I was still working.

In 2018,

I finally left advertising for good.

Prior to that,

And maybe this is also answering the question that you had a little earlier,

I started to study a lot of things that would help me on my path.

While I was still working in corporate,

I was always very interested,

Fascinated,

Intrigued with the psyche,

With soul,

And with the mind-body connection.

I started to study,

Even in college,

I was very interested in psychology and the power of the mind.

I started to study hypnosis,

And I started to study coaching,

And I started to study NLP.

I wanted to know more about miraculous healing,

Spontaneous healing,

Mind over matter.

What are these realms of study?

How do they connect?

How will they help me,

And how can I help others?

Quantum physics,

What does this really mean?

How can that be something that can shine a light on who I am in my life now?

I started to study a lot of things,

And connecting the dots,

And understanding how that was going to help others,

Because I felt like that soulpreneur was taking shape,

Even when I was in corporate.

The desire to align to my spiritual self,

And to want to build a business to help others,

Was also happening at that same time.

It was happening a little bit before I finally stepped onto my business path.

I'd say the past,

Since 2018,

So the past four years,

Has been moving through the clarification,

The dimensionality of what it is that my offerings are,

How I can get my offerings out there,

Who my target audience is,

And why,

And all of those facets that can help someone understand more about who they are and their business.

Wonderful.

We've got some lovely comments and thoughts from Melanie Gabby in the chat room.

I'll maybe talk to Melanie at the end of this call,

Because I know she's got some wonderful ideas herself.

But one of the themes there is that things are changing.

Do you feel that a soulpreneur is also a bit of a spiritual disruptor,

Who sort of shapes things up and mixes it,

So that the old paradigms for,

Oh,

You must find your target market first,

This is a comment that Melanie's made,

You must find your target market and then market to them.

Do you find that that's been disrupted,

And actually you can just flip that on its head and allow your target market to be shown to you,

And perhaps it's not so much your target then?

Yes.

Yes,

Yes,

Yes,

And yes.

I think it's not one or the other,

It's both.

I think maybe we think it's one way,

And defining your target market is really part of the brand shaping that may happen behind the scenes when you're working for an agency with an agency.

But to know that when you're,

Let's say,

Spiritually aligning with your target,

When you're understanding who's coming to you and why,

Who are those people that are leaning in as you start to share more of who you are and what you have to offer,

Then you start to understand how you're being more magnetic,

And how you're working the law of traction to be able to create an authentic connection to those people that really are more emotionally and spiritually connected with where your business is going and what your business has to offer.

Because I believe,

Almost like when you build a business,

You need to see your budget,

And I'm terrible at that.

But you need to see your budget.

You need to almost see,

Here's an outline of what you'll need next year,

And sometimes you just need to see numbers,

Even though numbers are,

That could scare people to the hills.

But you just need to see numbers so that your brain kind of says,

Okay,

Got it,

And then forget about it,

And then know what you're building and know what you're stepping into.

You almost need to see who are those people that I'm projecting out to?

Because when I first started and I was just like,

Oh,

It's out there,

It's to the masses,

I don't know who I'm talking to,

I'm just putting my stuff out there.

And then I started to see people that were nodding their heads.

I also started to see,

Oh,

The people I was putting my stuff out there were not on my friends list,

Were not on my friends,

Family,

Email contacts.

They were people that sometimes would be like,

Oh,

That's a really wonderful email,

Renee,

Thank you for sending that.

But they were not people that were really the people that wanted to work together with me.

I realized that was a little too close.

So I had to really emotionally open up,

Spiritually open up,

And really start to understand who are those people that want and need the help that I can provide.

And are those people,

Because I'm just observing the seven people that are on the live call with us now,

The females of the species,

Is your client base more feminine than masculine?

By that,

You might get a male who's got feminine tendencies.

Yes,

I do.

However,

I have the Solpreneur Society,

Which will probably be changing its name next year a little bit.

And I do have some men,

I don't think they would say that they have female tendencies in that they're not gay at all.

One is more spiritual,

So maybe he's into like softer practices.

Another is a sports writer,

Which is really interesting.

And he wanted to come into the group because he needs to reset who he is on some level because he's dealing with corporations changing and his freelance capabilities changing and wanted to align with something that felt more meaningful and more spiritual.

So the truth is,

Yes,

There's definitely more female clients that are,

Let's say,

Drawn to me,

But there are some men as well that are drawn.

And maybe it's because of what I'm saying or how I'm saying it.

And then maybe there's also kind of like that unconscious bias that some men like to lean into men and more women like to lean into women.

But yet,

Then there's a place where it doesn't really matter.

It's really about the content.

So yeah,

Again,

I think it's like yes,

And,

Or yes,

Or.

And I keep getting drawn back to the image of the Merkaba.

And I'm aware that the Merkaba spins slightly differently for men and women.

And there's two aspects to them.

So it's a reminder to me to do some more Merkaba based meditations,

Which is kind of interesting.

What about you,

Tom?

Do you find that you have more,

You know,

Female clients?

Yeah,

I've always,

I've never been,

You know,

And before I got into this kind of world,

Before I started meditating in my mid 40s,

I could never go to a party and do the male,

Let's talk about the football and what sort of car you got conversation that always bored me greatly,

Even back then.

And I just observed that on Insight Timer,

Which is where I spent a lot of my time focusing on these days,

That there must be a good 80,

90% female to male in terms of interactions.

Obviously,

I don't know,

There might be some men that are listening that aren't interacting.

Anyway,

We can tend to know on Insight Timer if someone's listening to either a meditation or a course,

To leave a review or ask a question in the course.

But I've launched this course called Your Soul Path.

And there are a few men doing it,

But I'd say it must be 80,

90% women.

I like to think that women are more advanced anyway,

So they're just on the button.

And it's time to change the planet.

Men have had a go at it.

And we've seen some of the results.

So it's time to create a bit more balance.

And the program that I'm doing outside Insight Timer,

Called The Path to Overstanding,

The culmination of that path is to get to a place called the synthesis,

Where you're conscious.

It doesn't matter if you're physically male,

Physically female,

Or shades in between,

You are conscious about when you're dispensing,

Invoking,

Channeling male magic,

And also dispensing,

Channeling,

Invoking female magic.

And there's two different ways of doing that.

But you get to a point where you're doing synthesis,

Which is a bit like left and right brain in synthesis,

Where male and female magic are working through you at the same time.

And funnily enough,

Spinning the Merkurer is the clue.

So thank you so much for that reminder,

Renee,

Which is kind of interesting.

And I did a,

And I was talking to you before the call about the Kryon crystals,

The Kryon cards,

Which is a school in Germany I studied with some time ago.

And I got to this synthesis place because I was studying with a female magical school in Germany,

Which is on angelic magic.

At the same time,

I was studying with a male magic school in California,

Kabbalah,

Tarot,

And all that sort of stuff,

Which is very procedural.

And I found that synthesizing the two together was really where the magic really happened.

There's magic in both sides of it.

When you put,

When you put male and female magic systems together,

That's when you get to this one plus one equals three or more position.

You know,

Like you,

I,

You know,

Definitely welcome a lot more women leaders in our society and definitely welcome a lot more women coming into their own power to be able to connect spiritually and make changes within their own personal lives,

As well as the lives of the collective.

Because it's been a long time and the time is coming.

So where's your soul pointing you next?

What's the,

Where are you being led?

So where I'm being led is to create a teaching platform that I'm going to be launching next year.

And anyone who's interested in knowing more about what I'm up to can go to the soulful.

Coach.

The soulful with one L dot coach and,

And sign up.

And what I'm looking to do is to empower people on their path to being soulpreneurs and empower people from the perspective of what,

You know,

Branding,

Authentic branding.

I do astrology also,

And I really believe very strongly in how astrology and our own souls archetypes,

Which is really what the natal chart is.

It's your soul's archetypes,

How that can create a place of connection and power and alignment to help you step into your brand,

To help you understand who you are on your path.

And also how to create more meaningful marketing,

You know,

As opposed to,

You know,

Creating marketing just to create marketing.

How do you create something that really feels more meaningful,

More meaningful to you and more meaningful to others?

Others that you know are a part of your,

Your tribe.

I like to call the target audience,

The tribe,

Because the tribe is really people that are a part of your circle.

You may or may not know them just yet,

You know,

But,

But part of that getting to know them is also opening up your energetic field to include those individuals that you may not know just yet,

And to know that they are somehow a part of your tribe.

Sometimes we get so caught in our own bubble,

You know,

That being able to expand our way of thinking and being with others can really help to move past certain limiting beliefs.

So,

So I'm really excited for next year.

And I'm also going to be doing more activations on Insight Timer that are more closely supporting solopreneurs,

But I also have a very strong desire to work with what's going on with diversity,

Equity,

And inclusion,

And to really try and bring more,

More awareness and equality out to the world,

Out into corporate environments.

So I don't fancy going back into a corporation,

But,

You know,

So many of the young leaders are in those roles.

And so there's a part of me that also wants to do something like that from a collective perspective.

Wow.

I wish you every success.

Now talking about opening up and tribe,

We've got some lovely,

Lovely tribes showing up today,

And I'm very happy to open up.

Melanie's asked a question,

I don't know whether you fancy unmuting Melanie and asking Renee the question directly yourself.

Oh,

Hi everyone.

Hello,

Tom.

I've not spoke to you for ages,

But I'm really glad I got on this call tonight.

Right now,

Just thinking when you were talking,

In terms of,

I can tend to be somebody that just gets information from absolutely everywhere and then ends up overwhelmed.

Is there any sort of first steps that you'd be able to share or help people consider when they're starting to think about,

You know,

Cause there's all the different aspects,

Isn't there,

Of starting out on your own,

You know,

Whether that's marketing your business ideas and colours you use and all of that.

Any first steps that you have that would be on your site anywhere,

Or will that be part of your course that you're thinking of putting together?

You know,

Cause I see this a lot with individual healers,

Therapists on the business side of things is where we can end up struggling of trying to manage all those different components.

Yeah,

Absolutely.

And I understand that firsthand as well,

Because I definitely have one of those minds that it's more,

Not less.

Like I think of so many ideas at the same time,

Sometimes simultaneously,

I feel like my head could pop off.

I have like Gemini rising.

So sometimes it's,

I really like a lot of unique things.

But I think what has helped me come back to a focus,

You know,

Is that there may be a lot of things to learn.

There may be a lot of things to get up to speed with in terms of the business.

But I would definitely,

From an emotional perspective,

I would say,

Be very patient and really connect into yourself as much as possible and connect into yourself in regards to what your intention is.

And that intention work,

I believe is really very important because when you know where your intention lives in your body,

Right?

So there's the part of creating an intention,

Like I'm going to create a successful soul-driven business in my future.

Like writing those words down,

Putting up a post-it,

Reminding yourself this is what you're doing or whatever those words are for you.

But the more important thing is to feel where that is in your body.

Where do you feel that energy in your body?

Because regardless of what the words say,

The words may change and morph over time,

Right?

Our mission statements may change and morph over time.

Like an intention turns into a mission and a mission may turn into your brand's core values.

And so there's almost kind of like things build off of each other.

But the main thing is to come back to where you feel that energy in your body.

And that's one of the reasons I love Merkaba and I love sacred geometry because it shows us how things organically grow.

And it shows things in regards to how a seed organically grows into a flower,

But it also shows how something grows within us and how consciousness and thoughts and emotions grow.

And so to know where you feel it in your body keeps you on track.

And there's a quote from Thoth Hermes,

Tri's Majestice,

As above,

So below,

As within,

So without.

And it's in service to the one,

Right?

And I remember reading that to the one.

And when I first read that,

I was like,

Oh,

Do you just mean God?

Is that where this is coming from?

There's just almost like a service to the one God kind of thing.

And I have to say that kind of gave me a little like,

I was like,

I don't know if I like that.

I am very open in my view of God and spirit and humanity and divine energies.

But it made me realize,

Well,

What if it's really about like,

What is the one for me?

How do I come back to that one?

And maybe that one changes.

Maybe the one that I have to work on this week is different than the one that I have to work on next week.

But yet there's a greater one inside of me that may be the umbrella to where I'm headed and what I'm visualizing for my future.

So in all of that,

There is an emotional and spiritual connection to the energy that lives within your body.

And to know that that is driving you forth,

Because regardless of the idea that you have,

It's really about the commitment behind what you're doing.

It's going to give you the energy to keep doing it,

The energy to keep driving you forward,

To learn all those things you have to learn,

To figure out what it means for you,

To know where you want to start and how you want to grow.

But it really starts from that.

So really wonderful question,

Melanie.

Thank you so much.

Does that answer the question,

Melanie?

Yeah.

And it's taken me back to a decision I made,

Oh,

Don't know,

Maybe a year,

18 months ago,

Where I thought I decided I was going to focus on all the things that I wanted to create or develop,

No matter what the outcome was going to be.

Because if I focus on those,

My brain isn't distracted on the other patterns and things that can come in that gets me stuck or into a different state that is less desirable.

And I've noticed as the more I've done that,

The more things just evolve.

Like you said,

It's an organic process.

So I haven't crystallized it to any one particular thing yet,

But I think there are some practicalities as well as like what you're saying,

The experience of what you're feeling in your body and how you.

.

.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know,

I think inside of that too is,

You know,

When I was going through what should it be,

What should it be?

There were so many ideas I had all the time.

Because I've worked in advertising that I haven't read enough to know your background.

But,

You know,

When you're working in a job or in a role and your role is to think of many ideas at once,

And you're getting paid a lot of money to do that,

It's really hard to start focusing your energy on what you need to do for yourself.

Because if you're inclined to be that creative mind,

I started to realize that what can I do,

If I'm not able to,

Let's say,

Create the right partners or the right alignments to create the one,

What can I do on my own?

And how do I bring that one thing forward?

Because sometimes all the other ideas could be great ideas,

But if you're not having the wind behind your sails and actually things are starting to align once you set that course,

Then you have to come back to,

Well,

What can I do?

And how do I do it?

And maybe that idea starts to become more realistic in terms of,

Well,

What am I going to accomplish this year for myself,

Given what my needs are,

What my passion is,

And where I want my future to go.

Interesting.

And also you mentioned about intention,

You mentioned about things evolving and about intention.

It should be intriguing to allow your intention itself to evolve.

And to be led by that,

To be led by the follow where the intention goes.

I mean,

In the same way,

My attention was drawn to the Merkava,

I love how two nations separated by common language,

Which is fantastic.

So the intention itself can change and alter and grow.

Yeah,

Because what I've noticed is when you allow yourself to have the space and it's not consumed by,

So previously it'd be consumed by say the projects I was working on for someone else.

And when that space clears,

Then it's a really beautiful process.

For me anyway,

It's how I like to just wake up with some inspiration.

Sometimes it's nothing there.

And sometimes it's some inspiration to move in a direction,

Whether that's read a book or write something or write some ideas down.

And I'm not short of ideas,

But what I'm doing this time is slowing things down so that I can be in this space and really go back to what you were saying,

Renee,

About sitting within that,

Not getting caught in the idea and running forward with it and then having to come back and go,

Well,

Did I really want to go down that road?

But sitting with that and really feeling into that,

Because I've made that mistake a few times and then found it difficult to backtrack,

Or I've already built something and then have to continue it because it hasn't been carried forward by the people that could have carried it forward.

So.

Exactly.

Wonderful.

Yeah.

Thank you.

And so Melanie,

I just want to add.

So I don't know your chart,

But I would assume that maybe you have either a lot of fire or fire and air inside of who you are,

Maybe in some of your main,

I don't know,

Sun,

Moon rising or mid heaven,

Because like I am similar in that way.

As soon as I have something,

I've got to implement it.

And I started to realize I'm changing constantly and nothing is really happening.

And so I really needed to not do what I normally would do,

Is to actually do it differently and to sit with and to watch my thoughts about it and to get into that space of quiet to know that,

You know what,

My soul is kind of,

It keeps tugging me and it's like,

It keeps tugging me down into this direction.

So that's not going away.

So I guess that's the direction I need to start heading into.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Can I ask you,

Marie,

Heidi,

Elizabeth,

Or is it Camelia,

Whether you've got any thoughts you'd like to share,

Any questions for Renee or myself or any observations about your journey to find your soul purpose?

I'm Elizabeth.

For me,

It's just,

I'm just beginning all of this kind of thinking.

I'm not,

You know,

It's,

I'm sure the ideas are within me,

But I've never thought that I needed to really search my soul and understand where I'm coming from.

It's just a new thing.

So I'm loving every minute of this and there's lots of inspiration listening to what you two have to say and Melanie as well.

Very lovely.

Thank you.

Thank you for joining us.

Wonderful.

Thank you.

Thank you,

Elizabeth.

I wanted to just add something to this mix because I,

You know,

Many of us given certain events that may have or haven't transpired in our lives and then maybe part of the collective opinion of the imagination,

You know,

Where we think,

Oh,

You know,

That's just your imagination running away with you,

Or,

You know,

You can't really invest too much in your imagination.

And for many years,

I have thought of the imagination as a bridge to the divine,

Right?

That we need to use our imagination to transcend whatever's going on in the mundane world,

You know,

In the day to day,

Which we can get a little too caught up with sometimes.

And that our imagination can be our friend when we,

Let's say,

Adopt certain practices and an understanding that we can use our imagination in a beneficial way.

And we can frame our thoughts around,

You know,

What we want to be thinking versus,

You know,

The fear,

You know,

And to know the difference between what's,

You know,

The fear part of the imagination versus maybe the soul part of the imagination.

And to be able to listen to those inner thoughts that keep coming through and to watch your own thought process without judgment.

Because mindfulness has a say in this environment.

Mindfulness is a wonderful practice to really start to understand the difference between your ego and the fear state and how that can take over versus,

Wait a minute,

This is clean and clear and this could,

Oh,

This is a good idea.

Wow,

Why didn't I,

You know,

Why didn't I know that sooner,

Right?

But I know this now,

So I can take action,

Right?

So it's knowing where that is inside of your body.

I always come back to the body because the body doesn't lie and you can really distinguish what's more meaningful to you by identifying the feeling inside your body.

And I think that that's a wonderful way to also connect to your soul in a much,

Much deeper way.

Well,

I like to think of imaginings as being dares from our soul.

As being dares.

Dares from our soul.

Yeah,

Yeah.

They say,

I dare you to do this.

Here's a thought,

I dare you to make that happen.

I love that idea that the soul encourages us,

Nudges us,

Is cheeky with us,

Protects us,

You know,

But tries to push us forward as much as we are comfortable with.

And if it's a bit scary,

Then it backs off for a while,

But imaginations as dares from the soul,

That would be a good title for a book,

Wouldn't it?

Yeah,

I love that.

I love that whole concept.

Good stuff.

So any other questions?

That's about the soul disruptor that you were talking about too.

I think there's something really powerful in being a soul disruptor.

Well,

There's another book titled The Soul Disruptor.

I'd read that one for sure.

Actually,

I got someone yesterday recommended a book to me about your soul friend.

I must dig that out.

I'll find out what it was.

It was someone that took my soul path course and they recommended a book to me,

Which I downloaded.

Let me just find it here.

It is,

I'll spell that for you.

It's A-N-A-M,

One word,

C-A-R-A,

Spiritual Wisdom from the Celtic World.

And Adam Cara in Celtic means your soul friend.

And I like the idea that our soul can be our friend.

And I also like the idea that our soul wants us as a friend and likes to be thanked.

And what I notice is that when we thank our soul and we start the dialogue,

Then it becomes bi-directional and we kind of become luckier and more blissful.

And our wildest imaginings,

Things beyond our wildest dreams start to rock up.

Yeah.

That's really beautifully said.

It's really beautifully said.

Lovely,

Lovely.

Yeah.

So any last closing thoughts?

You have to unmute first,

Marie.

That would help.

There you go.

Oh,

Thank you.

I've been searching my soul through the church.

I've been the church warden at UL for a few years now and it's not working.

And I'm just finding that my consciousness wants to connect with the divine in some other way,

Which is why I've come to you,

Hoping for some sort of inspiration,

Direction.

I feel a bit lost.

I feel a bit lost.

I've put a lot into the church and what goes on there.

Let me draw your attention to two things.

So the first is you've got a bright light behind your head,

Which is like your aura is shining out at us.

And also there's a plate on the wall behind you.

I guess it's some birds,

Almost like an empty Escher.

Yes,

That was made for me in Toledo.

So my point being is the signs are all around us,

But sometimes we don't know.

Obviously,

You wouldn't spot that there's an aura behind you because you're not looking at the back of your head and you wouldn't necessarily see that plate because it's in your,

You see all the time.

So what it is,

We're in this place called a duality.

You can almost imagine that our soul and us are in this dual relationship as well.

And when we come to the fore and try to find our path,

And I,

Like many people,

I started out in a religious upbringing,

And I got disenchanted with it.

I'm actually getting drawn back into it,

But from a different perspective right now.

My observation about where you are is that I always found that with religion,

It's almost like you pray and try and get the answer externally given.

But when you meditate and it comes internally and think about your soul not being this external entity that sort of sits above your head,

But being an aspect of you.

And we are our soul and our soul is us.

I like to think of our soul being a future version of us trying to drag us into being that perfect future version of us,

If only we allow it.

I haven't thought of that,

But I feel my soul is here.

I feel it physically and it responds to things,

But I feel like I'm searching in the wrong direction.

I'm not getting the feedback I need from the church.

And so I'm kind of withdrawing from it and I'm looking for spiritual guidance elsewhere.

Well,

If you've got your Insight Timer app,

You've got a bucket of spiritual guidance in there for free.

Renee and I are available.

I know Melanie does some coaching as well and it is there.

The thing is,

It's finding what's right for you.

But more importantly,

Allowing that thing to find you.

So I can point you at loads of resources that I've got out there.

I'm sure Renee can do that too.

And I just pointed you at a book which is not written by me,

Which I'm about to start reading,

The Anamkara.

These things could be the clues that we need.

Just coming on this call today,

There's enough clues that we need to find our way.

So for example,

If you've never researched the Merkaba,

I can tell you that the Merkaba is a way of activating our inner energy system.

And what happens then is we kind of light up and all the things that we need in our life get drawn towards us.

So my Merkaba I activated about 15 years ago.

I learned how to spin it.

And one of the things I learned as well,

Incidentally,

I've just been reminded of,

It's the key to levitation,

But that's a whole other conversation to be had.

But spinning your Merkaba,

When you get your Merkaba spinning,

And I think I'm now encouraged to write a meditation to help you do that,

You light up almost like this spiritual beacon,

And not like a lighthouse,

Which is sort of shining light away.

You become this sort of like a light that attracts moths to the,

Not to the flame,

But you attract in what you need.

So I think that that's kind of a key thing to do and a key thing to notice what is around you.

The only thing I'd encourage you to do,

Marie,

As a result of being on this call,

Is just notice what rocks up in the next 24 to 48 hours,

And it won't be what you're expecting.

And it'll be intriguing,

A sense of humor,

Something,

It could be something that you've been looking at for ages as an opportunity,

A person,

A thing,

A sign,

You know,

We get number plates,

Time on clocks and things like that.

Notice all of those things over the next day and a half,

And the clues are there.

Okay,

Thank you.

And just to,

That was all really wonderful,

And just to add to what Tom just said,

Because you said that you feel it,

Right?

You know that it's here,

But you're not able to connect to it well out in the church environment as maybe you had before.

And so to know that it's here,

Start here,

Right?

Start with what you sense and feel.

You know,

I think it was Patanjali's wonderful meditation teacher,

Hindu,

Whatever teacher,

And he talked about the living sensations of the body,

Right?

I've been doing a lot of work around trauma and resilience and the stories that live in our nervous systems,

Right?

So there's a definite connection between our spiritual life and our bodies and what we feel,

Right?

And sometimes the best thing to do is to ground our energy because we can get a little too lost in our minds of what we think something should be or what signs we're looking for and we're not seeing,

But to come back to the living sensations inside your body and where you feel soul within you.

And specifically when you find out something like you can't find it in the church or it's not presenting the right answer to you,

That is an absolutely amazing revelation.

You've found what it not is.

Congratulations.

Exactly.

So you go like,

It's not that,

Right?

And therefore that,

Because we live in,

See,

That's why I was interested by the play.

You see,

It says dualities,

It's got light and dark.

So imagine the dark bits of what it isn't and the light bits of what it is.

You've now noticed that and when you notice that it then rocks up.

But I mentioned it,

It will rock up in the most delightful,

Intriguing,

Hilarious sometimes way.

I shall look forward to that.

And it may well have been staring in the face for the last,

How many years?

Okay,

Thank you.

Well,

Listen,

We're well over the hour now and I'm always very mindful of people's time.

What Renai and I said,

Because we didn't know how this was going to go as a conversation,

Is we suspect it might be the first of many.

So we'll regroup after this,

Renai,

I'm sure,

And think about where this might all go.

And lovely to see you today.

Thank you,

Elizabeth.

And thank you,

Heidi,

For joining us today as well.

And love to hear all your soul stories about how your soul purpose becomes your soul purpose.

I'll let you know.

Interesting.

Yeah,

Thank you.

Take care,

Everybody.

Bye-bye.

Bye-bye.

Reviews

Excellent talk! Thank you Renee and Tom for sharing this with us. I am very intrigued by this subject.

Brilliant conversation about our Next New and how to FEEL into it. Thank you both so much.