Quantum Spirituality With Amit Goswami

In this podcast, I talk to Professor Amit Goswami about his latest book, Quantum Spirituality: The Pursuit of Wholeness – and a whole lot more. When I say a 'whole' lot more, you will love the section on wholeness. This book might just be the missing piece of the jigsaw you are looking for and the manual to help us evolve to the next phase.

Transcript

So,

Hi,

I'm Tom Evans and a big warm welcome back to the Zone show to Professor Amit Goswami.

I think it's the fourth time we're on the show now.

Okay,

Yes,

That's right.

What I've done in the podcast,

I've put the other interviews down the bottom so people can catch up with our conversations.

I first came across you when I read,

I think,

The Self-Aware Universe and The Physics of the Soul and then our lovely contact Sarah Sagala in America Connected Us and we've had several conversations.

In fact,

We also met in London,

Didn't we,

That time?

Yes,

Yes,

We met in London.

So,

I must ask you,

How are you getting on in this,

This is October 2020,

How are you getting on in these strange times?

Very good question.

How are we getting along in these strange times?

Yes.

Okay,

This is a very,

Very good question and of course,

You know,

For a person who is a,

Not only a scientist,

But also a spiritual person,

It is actually quite simple.

I think that the times are very interesting and I also think that this is a great opportunity for some real change happening in the world.

So I am at once very excited,

Although as I said,

For a spiritual person,

Being excited does not mean the same thing as probably for a person who is not spiritual.

For a spiritual person,

It means a spiritual opportunity.

You know,

The world needs some changes.

The world is going through a very nasty spree right now,

Especially in the political situation almost everywhere.

There is a rise of what you might say fascism,

Autocracy,

Dictatorship,

And this does not be dwell to spirituality because when this happens,

We violate basic human decency,

Basic human virtues,

Morality,

All this.

So democracy is a must for spiritual advancement and humanity is on the verge of it because we have some scientific breakthrough.

We have people,

15% of the people who are meditating.

So these are great times.

So this is not a time that we really need to go backwards in our political situation.

So I think this COVID and all this other stuff that is taking place is a big opportunity for a huge change.

Opportunity is how I look at it.

And I guess also an opportunity then,

You written this book in 2019,

The Quantum Spirituality with Valentina Onisova,

If I pronounced her name correctly,

Is almost quite prescient of you to write it last year,

Published last year,

Because it's a book for everybody to embrace now,

Because if everyone wants to embrace this,

And especially if it is the leaders to embrace this,

It's kind of the solution that everybody's looking for.

It is because,

You know,

Spirituality also has to be somewhat challenged here because traditionally spirituality always has been kind of world negating.

And although there was a strong streak in spirituality in India,

Especially called yoga,

That tradition is different,

That tradition and the Buddhist tradition of bodhisattva,

They both are about a worldly spirituality.

But still,

It is not difficult to interpret even those systems into a world negating.

In other words,

Spiritual people are supposed to be goody-goody,

They're supposed to be not engaged in the world so much,

You know,

Brahmacharya,

Which means celibacy and all this,

That doesn't sound very appetizing to one human being.

Of course there are streaks in spiritual traditions which has accepted our sexuality,

Accepted our worldly involvement,

And encouraged us,

In spite of all that,

To engage into spirituality.

But how it works was not very clear.

It was not at all clear that one can actually achieve spirituality staying in the world,

Engaging in sexual relationships,

Engaging in the world,

Working towards making money,

And all this stuff.

So in quantum spirituality we have shown that science has nothing to do with all those traditional ways that spirituality is projected.

They're all projections.

They're all a particular technique that probably was quite appropriate at one time,

Long time ago,

But they're no longer appropriate now.

Now we have learned so much more about ourselves.

We have learned,

For example,

That the brain has some major problems that we have to solve first before we can even engage with spirituality.

Brain has a major amount of negative emotional brain circuits.

Brain gives us much of the me-centeredness that spiritual traditions say,

Kill,

Kill,

Kill the ego and all that.

It's not killing the ego.

Ego is also our character or patterns of habit which you engage to be creative.

But it's the persona,

It's the part of the ego that takes us away from spirituality,

That me-centeredness,

What is in it for me.

That is what we need to change.

That is what we need to address.

But these are very practical ways of addressing it.

It's not at all connected with the traditional practices so much,

Avoiding the world.

You don't have to go to Himalayas to work on me-centeredness.

In fact,

You can't.

You have to work on me-centeredness in relationship,

That I'm not going to be me-centered.

When I talk with you,

I am with you.

I am also you-centered,

Not just me-centered.

That's the point we make.

So do you think then that this sort of strange lockdown period that we're in is actually a great opportunity for us to really open up?

So this is why it's a great opportunity because it is in relationship with this world.

Can I see opportunity here and can I see the opportunity here not only for myself but also for you,

For everybody,

For relationship with the world.

And that's what brings us to not only looking after ourselves.

Now,

Look,

It's obvious,

No?

Donald Trump,

Boris Johnson,

Putin,

These are all extremely me-centered people.

So what's the first thing that we do?

Even in America,

Which has been down in the pits lately,

But who they are going to elect now looks all the education looks like Joe Biden is going to win.

And you know what Biden's biggest strength is?

Biggest strength is the decent man.

That's his biggest strength.

Even in American culture is accepting that a decent man is what we need other than a brass,

Big business billionaire to govern the country.

This is the big change,

No?

Well,

They had a decent man in Barak-e-Mahl.

I don't know why they had to go through four years of such turmoil.

I know.

That's the part where people have to realize that no,

Their results are our responsibility.

That responsibility cannot be avoided by just electing one man.

Joe Biden is just one man.

After the decency is a good thing to point out because people are feeling the need for decency.

But they also have to feel the need here.

They have to be decent also.

It's not just adequate to blame a bunch of people who are Trump supporters for their mistakes and stuff.

You also have to see,

OK,

What mistakes have I been making?

How am I creating this world?

What am I doing wrong that is creating this kind of phenomenon of polarization,

Political and social everywhere?

So kind of in the book,

Quantum Spirituality,

I think you've written the manual of how each of us individually can get out of this particular state into a new state.

It's almost like it's a manual for evolving to another level and in fact,

The next level of humanity.

I think you got the tone exactly right.

Of course,

I never doubted that you would.

Yeah,

It is a very,

Very personal kind of journey that you go through.

Yoga in this sense is a very personal thing.

But the yoga,

Strangely,

What you integrate is your persona with the world.

Eventually you end up with,

I love myself too,

I love the world situation.

So it's a very good,

Wonderful transformation of the individual being.

We start with the individual,

Very mis-centered,

And we end up in a world centered person who loves the world.

That sounds like a nice infectious virus to transmit.

If the R rate for that was two or more,

Then it should rapidly spread around the planet.

Well,

I mean,

The point is that this is a challenge today,

Right?

How do I have relationships which take care of,

Really take care of both of us?

Expanded consciousness.

So the whole book is an exercise,

How you can act,

Make your decisions,

Think,

Feel from an expanded consciousness.

Well,

You know what I also liked about the book is the first time in all the books I read of yours where I've read a bit about your back story.

And I didn't realize that your father was a Brahmin.

And one thing that really made me smile was the sutra he used to sing to you.

And the translation is,

This is whole,

That is whole,

From whole you get whole.

If you subtract from whole,

Whole from whole,

You still get whole.

I just love that whole concept.

I love that whole concept,

Excuse the pun there.

Could you just expand upon what that means then in the context of each individual being a whole individually and also part of the whole?

Okay.

I mean,

This is a very,

Very famous sutra from the Upanishads.

See,

You know,

In a sense it's interesting because mathematicians find the description of infinity because the whole thing means if you add whole to the whole,

You get whole.

If you subtract whole from the whole,

You still get whole.

So they compare it to infinity plus infinity is infinity,

Infinity minus infinity is also infinity.

So that's the funny part.

But really what it is saying is that we are rooted in a wholeness.

That wholeness is always whole.

Because there is nothing but that wholeness.

The wholeness is our,

Really our being.

How do we approach it often is to think that we are approaching it through one attribute of the wholeness.

For example,

In the book you'll find we talk about love a lot,

A lot.

Love is an archetype.

So the understanding is that,

Okay,

This is part of wholeness.

One part.

Right?

But actually it is also wholeness.

Love is not separate from wholeness.

So the concept just goes very deep at some point.

So at once we can explore love in a kind of separate way,

But we end up in love.

You know,

What happened to me is very good,

Very interesting because I experienced wholeness once.

And I really had that experience.

I took a quantum leap and I could see that the world is all one whole.

And the aftermath,

That surprised me because I was at that time most interested in discovering love because my challenge was how to love my wife.

This is why I was doing this seven day long job of practice.

Quite difficult.

I never have repeated it again because to find that kind of energy,

You really have to be really motivated.

You have to be kind of desperate.

And I was.

And then when it took place,

The aftermath just blew me out because I was totally in love with everything.

I could love anyone.

So that kind of the ability of loving everyone that came to me for two whole days.

I remember we had a very contented secretary at that time in the institute.

Especially she hated me because of my intonation of spirituality.

And she thought I am not doing my job,

Which is to be a physicist.

I am just in the regular way.

But I could love that woman those two days.

I had wonderful relationship with her because I could love her and therefore her animosity also went away.

Amazing.

When you really are open,

People feel it and their animosity goes away.

Their hostility goes away.

Everything drops out and the world really becomes very sweet.

But only two days after that,

It gradually stapled off,

Went away.

I could never recapture that particular state.

I have come close,

But never acquired that kind of cosmic love.

So I know what it means to when you take whole away from whole,

It still is whole.

Because in that state,

If one relationship stops,

It doesn't matter.

If another relationship adds,

Also doesn't matter.

You are always in love with everything.

Interesting because I did a small short piece on my podcast.

My podcast since I interviewed you last has taken a slightly different trajectory.

I do some interviews still,

But also there's some audio thought pieces.

And I woke up at 4.

44 one morning.

And I had Donald Trump came to me in a dream and he asked me to show him how to manipulate matter with thought alone.

And I said to him,

I can't do that because these things you can do,

But in the wrong hands is dangerous.

But what I can show you in five minutes is how to change yourself.

And actually the technique was to give love to even someone like Donald Trump.

And so if enough people love him as opposed to idolize him,

We could transform him.

Yes.

Actually,

You know,

This as versus them,

That mindset is actually the worst enemy that we have.

Of course,

It is fun to make fun of Donald,

But the fact is that Donald is the creation of our own separateness.

Donald exaggerates it and ordinarily people suppress some of it,

But it's all in all of us.

It is the mass hysteria about me centeredness that has created a total in me and look at what happens if you are totally me centered.

And then it's not nice to look at it anymore.

And the people who find him as a hero,

They try to emulate that kind of callous me centeredness.

That's their ideal,

But they don't succeed.

If they did,

They would become Donald Trump,

But they can't.

And that's why they are worshiped Donald Trump because he has idolized this me centeredness which they love to have,

But only me,

Not nobody else.

And interesting that like all of us,

Donald is a soul on a human journey.

And I love something that Deepak Khofra says in the in the forward,

Until we understand that nothing actually consists of something,

We can't really understand it.

So this concept of the whole being part of the whole and subtracting the whole from the whole still whole,

We've also got this concept that we've got the nothing and the something,

Haven't we?

Yes,

Yes.

And all that is very,

Very quantum because you know,

In quantum physics,

We indeed say that the world is consciousness and it's possibilities.

And possibility is not a thing.

Possibility is just an idea.

So literally,

Literally the world begins with nothing.

Consciousness is really no thing.

Everything is a manifestation of consciousness,

Including the subject that you and I talked about.

I,

This I is very source of me,

Including that.

It's coming from that nothingness,

Which is,

You can say potential,

Potentiality.

People understand the word potentiality better.

But you can also call it nothingness.

It is also nothing.

Well,

This gives us a great opportunity then,

Because if we're in this reset period,

Which we are,

And if you believe in James Lovelock's Gaia theory,

You could think that Mother Earth herself has created this virus to suppress some of the worst atrocities and practices of humankind.

We certainly got a lower pollution level now,

Which is kind of handy.

We're not traveling as much.

People are finding they can work from home.

And obviously I wish I put some shares in Zoom when it first kicked off as well,

Because I'm sure that Zoom are doing very well because of the technology we're using right now.

But you know,

Within,

I used to think that maybe within one generation or two generations,

The world could be changed.

But actually we can do it in just a few years.

We could,

But that would not,

I don't think profound changes can be made.

But we could,

We could change our belief system in three years.

Top changes requires,

I think,

You know,

Because the challenge is huge,

It's the brain.

And brain took 3.

8 billion years to get here from one cell creature to this very sophisticated trillion cell brain.

And so to change these brains,

Bad habits like this negative emotions,

Domination being one of them,

We're talking about Donald Trump,

Putin,

These are dominant people.

They're that alpha male.

Where does it come from?

It comes from the brain.

They have a huge amount of that domination circuit that dominates their behavior.

How do you work on it,

Except for building positive emotional brain circuits that will compensate this negative behavior is very difficult.

So of course,

You and I,

People like us work on it and we find it not so difficult because we have worked on it for lifetimes probably,

But people who are new at it,

They get fascinated by it because it seems like they're exploring power.

But power is an archetype.

Real power is not the power of this me.

Real power is the power to empower myself and others.

So they missed the point for a very long time.

But during that time,

They can create havoc.

They can create a lot of mischief in the world.

And this is the danger.

So changes require time,

I think.

Otherwise what happens that we do something in a hurry and then it just works.

It's just mental concepts,

Which are much easier to learn very quickly.

But to change,

We have to change the software that is connected with our systems like the brain.

It has some very bad software.

That's what gives the negativity of the brain.

It's only 25% negative,

Only 15 or 20% positive.

Can you believe it?

So we have to make this brain equal and negative and positive.

That requires a lot of transformational work,

A lot of practice like meditation,

Doobie doobie doo,

Creativity and flow and relationship.

Lots of it.

The funny thing is that quantum spirituality constantly points this out,

Especially Valentina,

Because she is a woman and she does it from the hard side.

So we constantly point out,

Look,

It's fine.

It's not difficult.

The way we do it now in relationship with people,

We go,

Gosh,

We even promote sexuality in that book a lot.

We say,

Okay,

Be sexy and use sex to explore love.

Why stop with the molecules in the brain?

Because after the molecules stop acting,

Your mind becomes missentred again.

But if you don't allow the molecules to take over,

You will find that the energy is rising to your heart and you feel like you want to love this person that you had sex with.

Instead of just enjoying the person's body and the proof of it is very molecules,

You literally have now an expansion of consciousness that includes the other person.

You want to cuddle the person,

You want to take care of the person,

You want to hold the person.

It's an amazing feeling.

Could you talk about in the book integrating the head and heart?

And I remember reading something from a Rudolf Steiner book nearly a hundred years,

Over a hundred years ago,

Where he talked about how evolution,

At one point when we got the word,

The word was made flesh.

He talked about the third eye,

Which is the sixth chakra controlling the fifth chakra.

We call this speech now.

So it's this externalization of thought forms and how the next phase of evolution is to take conscious control of the heart and the other lower chakras.

Now these are all techniques which are thousands and thousands of years old.

But to me it's exciting that meditation is this,

It's not just a key,

But it's almost like a mind technology that we can use to help ourselves evolve.

You know,

We're in a potential now where up to now evolution has been maybe not driven by humans,

But we now can get to a point where we can evolve.

I don't mean that from a sort of science fiction,

AI terminator kind of perspective.

We can do this very,

Very mindfully,

Mindful of ourselves,

Mindful of the planet and mindful of all the other species on the planet and the biosphere that maintains us.

So it's an exciting time to have head and heart integration happening.

Absolutely.

And to understand the heart finally is now thanks to quantum physics.

It allows us to get a hold of an understanding of what actually is the energies that we feel,

That we feel in the heart,

That we feel in the navel chakra,

That we feel in the throat chakra,

That we feel in the brow.

What does it mean to awaken the third eye?

We now totally understand.

And you know,

How to raise this,

What is called Kundalini in Sanskrit,

You know,

The coiled up energy in the base of the spine.

And that is basically sexual energy.

This is why we speak so much of sexual energy in this book.

In fact,

I'm a great promoter of sexual energy.

I said that,

Okay,

Use sexual imagination to raise the energy to the heart and you will immediately feel expanded.

It's so easy that way.

Whereas if you try to do it with mental way,

Then you have to literally take a quantum leap of the mind to find the new in order to feel that kind of expansion.

With the feelings,

There's almost a feeling of very little jadedness.

That film is just not very jaded.

So every time you have a feeling,

Although it is being memorized instantaneously,

You cannot recall that memory.

Like you can recall mental memory and reinforce it.

But vital energy memory is not like that.

So there's a newness in the chakras.

So once you get used to these chakras,

The problem is that the brain has taken over the chakras.

So most people are guided by the brain.

But once you can overcome the brain and start feeling energy in the body,

Like many women do,

This is why they talk so much about heart.

And this is why the integration is possible,

Because we can feel the self also in the heart,

Not only in the brain,

But also in the heart.

And so great times because you know,

Heart Matter Institute has done some beautiful experiments.

So it shows that if you make heart and the head synchronous,

Your expansion of consciousness is much,

Much enhanced.

Fantastic.

I'll put a heart activation meditation down the bottom of this.

So this is really exciting,

Because as a physicist,

Which is like your number one job,

Your first job as a physicist,

You've got good recollection now and intelligence and knowledge of what happened in physics in the 1920s up to physics in the 2020s.

So in 100 years,

Absolutely revolutionized technology.

So now we're in 2020.

What can happen in 2120 with all this knowledge?

Yeah,

It boggles my mind.

I think,

You know,

My scenario is,

This is why it's so funny when you started,

You talked about your new book,

And you were talking about dark matter.

And okay,

Let me finish this book first and then I'll tell you the dark matter.

So this is something that both Steiner,

Sri Aurobindo,

And also Tearda,

All three of them,

They sort of envision a similar future.

Steiner had this head heart integration,

Bringing heaven to earth,

That kind of concept and Aurobindo had the concept of supra mental awakening,

Awakening to the heart chakra and beyond.

I mean,

Brow chakra and beyond.

Brow chakra is the third eye opening and that brings up the archetypal dimension,

Intuitive dimension.

So Aurobindo's projection was that the next step in our revolution is when people will become much more awakened in the third eye and much more intuitive than they are today.

Of course,

You know,

I think I told you already the last time we met,

I have started a university of spiritual transformation,

Where we did masters and PhD in quantum science.

People talk about this kind of thing in connection with health and healing,

Mental health mainly,

But also spirituality.

A few people actually are studying spiritual transformation.

So what they do is that try transformation together with others in relationship.

In other words,

We have a program where the entire student body meditates together.

And we do that every week on Sunday for a time.

And that way we build a community mindset,

Community consciousness.

This community consciousness,

When you do something,

When you achieve some changes in the community consciousness,

Those changes become part of the collective unconscious,

Non-local memory.

This is the part where you really can change the entire humanity.

So my projection really is wild,

Which is that we will achieve this thing that imagination that Steiner,

Aurobindo and Teardish have had,

That people will become intuitive en masse.

I project that indeed we will find transformation en masse because thanks to internet,

Like you and I can correlate basic phenomenon is quantum correlation,

Not non-locality,

Oneness.

If you can do it on the internet,

Then you see how easy it is to connect and become one.

We are doing it with our students every week.

And this builds this complete confidence in terms of having non-local memory that everybody can get access to.

And that's how we produce mass transformation.

And when that happens,

Then the vulnerability will be changed.

I mean,

It's changed forever.

The negative emotional brain circuits will be compensated by positive emotional brain circuits.

People will be born with love circuits in their brain.

Can you imagine that?

And there will be no Donald Trump because there is no domination circuit anymore.

A love circuit will balance out the domination circuit.

Now that's interesting because I'm one of the meditation guides on the world's only free meditation app,

Insight Time,

Completely free.

I think they're up to about maybe 16 or 20 million meditators right now.

In your travels,

Do you ever come across any mathematicians or statisticians who are doing the mathematics of this transformation?

How many people you need to be kind of switched on or just open for then the whole planet to switch over?

I think the basic thing is non-locality.

Numbers are not that important.

If we can develop non-local memory that people can,

Everybody can inherit because we can see one person,

Somebody already calculated that,

One person in their life easily can have eight correlated relationship.

And by that what I mean like mother child,

That's the correlated relationship automatically because you grew up in mother film,

That is a non-local relationship forever during their whole life if they want to.

Of course,

Some mothers and some children break up,

But that's a different story.

You can break it up if you want,

But if you don't break it up,

It's something that is retained very easily.

Then we become friends with people and of course we have lovers.

For them,

Again,

It is very easy.

You can break it up.

Breaking up is easy,

But if you don't break it up,

I have three wives.

Now,

The first wife doesn't count because I was in enormous stand,

But the last wife I have good relationship even now,

I'm correlated with them.

I can feel it.

So you can maintain correlation once and for all for just about eight people,

I think somebody calculated.

And that does not require really very much.

I think six to seven generations,

You probably can start using wherever you begin.

You can begin just a few people,

But if they continue to spread,

Each person will be correlated with eight people and do the work together with them and access this own local memory.

Then eight generations is all that will take or six or seven.

But also we're correlating with people like Steiner,

Who is no longer with us in physical form and we're correlating with Thayadus Chardan's Phenomena of Man was the inspiration behind my novel.

I love the book so much,

But I find it a bit complicated and I thought,

Wouldn't it be nice to take some of those concepts of the newer sphere and that kind of thing,

The collective consciousness and put them into a fiction book,

The more people get their heads around.

So we're still correlating backwards and forward with time with these lovely individuals.

Yeah,

Actually where the dark matter comes in is that we still won't be able to make any memory directly in our brain.

It has to be non-local memory for us because we have only the physical matter that we have,

But we now have in the universe another kind of matter,

Dark matter.

So it is easy to think that perhaps the dark matter people have the capacity of making this direct memory of supra-mental,

Direct memory of the archetype.

Then they don't have to go the route of making mental and vital energy memory.

So they can have direct memories,

Meaning that you can abide by,

You can learn to intuit and abide by intuition much more easily than you can with thinking and feeling.

So this may not be just an idle speculation that there may be already people who have that kind of capacity and this is why this extraterrestrial,

This kind of mythology lingers on since when?

Every culture has this concept of Davos and Davison and they're all archetypes basically.

In Greece we have this Greek pantheon,

They're all archetypes.

Zeus is the archetype of power,

Aphrodite archetype of love.

And in Indian tradition the same thing,

Lakshmi and Durga and all these wonderful archetypal images and the same thing for Christianity in terms of angels and so,

You know.

And now in the modern time,

As Carly already pointed out,

We have the modern mythology of extraterrestrials that come and they present this flying saucer and they present this wonderful they come out and they welcome,

People feel love,

You know.

So this could be more than mythology.

It must be and also the number 12 factors quite a lot,

The 12 disciples and the 12 gods and the demi gods and whatsoever.

So there obviously is a mathematics and numerology to all of this stuff too,

It should be lovely to explore.

So what's your next exploration?

What projects are you working on right now?

Well I'm writing a book on the brain because brain is so crucial.

So what we find,

There's already brain data that shows that indeed it is possible to balance the negative and make a brain which is neutral,

Negative and positive balanced and then we can move for higher intelligence and higher happiness and we delve into that.

We have myself and she too have some experience with what Aurobindo called supplemental and we are explorers.

So we are writing two books,

One is the Quantum Brain and the other is called Awakening of Intelligence.

Quantum Brain deals with,

Okay the brain has negative so we have to have the positive,

That part.

And Awakening of Intelligence talks about how we can start with this base and then take off in terms of intelligence.

We develop emotional intelligence and then supplemental intelligence.

That's why head and heart are totally integrated.

Oh and it sounds like we should put another date or two in the diary for when these books are out and maybe with this wonderful technology I could have both of you on these own show at the same time.

It would be a delight and an honour to meet Valentina.

And those books are right up my street as well.

I like the idea of,

That whole idea of the Quantum Brain.

There's a great book actually by Ian McGilchrist called The Master and His Emissary.

Have you read that book?

No.

Oh it's a fantastic book.

This guy is,

He's researched left and right brain.

You know the archetype that the left brain is logical and the right brain is creative.

He's a neuroscientist that really did research what the left brain does and what the right brain does.

So look that one out,

The Master and His Emissary.

It's a fantastic book,

Big book to read.

But there's a really good YouTube animated video,

I'll put that down in the podcast as well,

That if you haven't got time to read the book just in 11 minutes you can,

You get his summarisation of what he's discovered about left and right brain and the laterisation of the hemispheres which is great.

So it sounds like we should chat again soon.

I mean when are the two books going to be out?

Well the Quantum Brain is going to be out pretty soon,

Probably by the spring,

Next spring.

The Awakening of Intelligence will take a little longer,

Probably towards the end of next year.

Right,

Okay well that's,

We'll call that a date then definitely in which case.

Wonderful.

So next time we're inviting Valentina also.

I think we'll do two,

Yeah,

We'll do two at the same time.

I can have the left and right brain,

I'll have one of you on the left and one on the right on the screen to show this laterisation of the function and the idea of the yin and the yang together as well.

So it sounds like you've got a fantastic co-creator in her.

Yes,

Yes,

Yes,

She's good,

She's good and also you know she works with heart much more than the brain,

Although she has the brain,

She had a medical degree after the brain to get the MD,

But she's exceptional in the sense that you know she comes from Romania and yet she has absorbed so much of Indian culture because she needed to delve into Indian spirituality because she's a sort of went into the tantra,

This relationship with sexuality,

Transforming sexuality into love,

A lot of that.

So that kind of experience added to quantum physics gives her an enormous amount of personal power of understanding and putting together what is going on in the world.

So she's a really great helper to me.

Fantastic.

I mean I'm a collaborator finally.

And I noticed that on chapter two is the Wholeness and I bracketed Amit and then chapter 15 is Wholeness and I Valentina,

So you must have written chapter two and she must have written chapter 15.

How do you collaborate on the book?

What's your process for it?

So I,

You know,

She's young,

Like she's in her 40s.

I'm of course in my 80s.

So it's also very interesting.

The difference in our age makes it easy in a way to collaborate in terms of being very open,

No competition between the two of us because there's nothing to compete.

Of course,

You know,

I have been a little bit gentle person for quite some time now.

I don't compete,

But nevertheless for her to get into the spirit of that world where everything is friendly,

But she got into it very quickly.

I must say,

You know,

I met her only like four years ago and the first six months she had a little bit of that,

Still that,

Especially,

You know,

If you're a woman in this very male dominated world,

Still you have to have some of that,

That punk,

That rise up,

Why not me kind of thing.

But because she is who she is,

She turns out to be me and became who she is now,

Who is a really quite a transformed being.

So this is really a wonderful thing for me because I have watched this woman grow spiritually and I'm very happy with her progress and she will go much further than I have because,

You know,

I discovered spirituality only in my middle age when I was 40 and she has discovered spirituality from childhood.

She has been doing it already.

When I even,

When I met her,

She already had a lot of knowledge and a lot of wisdom also,

But now she's just going at a very quick pace because quantum physics has a lot of answers.

And when you have answers,

You know,

It's much easier to proceed because you no longer have to worry about the,

Okay,

What is the reason that this is producing this?

So what exactly is being produced?

But quantum physics allows us to understand every phenomenon that we have,

Every bit of extra happiness that we get,

Every bit of extra intelligence that we get,

There is an explanation,

Scientific explanation.

Okay,

This is what happened.

This is the chakra that got awakened.

This is the intelligence that got awakened.

This is the archetype that is involved with this kind of experience.

So that knowledge is very helpful because at once we can predict a little and we can also compare,

Okay,

So where I am,

Is this compatible with what I was expecting?

And there is some surprise,

But there is also something that makes the expectation,

That makes the journey much more pleasant,

Much more,

Much more,

Because you have a little bit of control,

We feel much more sanguine about what we are doing.

She sounds like she's a very old soul in which case.

Yes,

That is a good description.

I think she has many explanations of spirituality already.

Fantastic.

Well,

Actually,

Also this,

What's happening also,

Which is great,

Is that not only do we have this understanding,

But we have the technology of dissemination of it.

So I know that I am going to put three meditations in with this podcast.

One is about awakening of the heart.

The other is about accessing super consciousness,

If you like,

The super mental.

But also I read this lovely description by Steiner years ago with this book called How to Know the Higher Worlds about this sort of journey through the body of awakening the chakra centers as lotus flowers.

And so I took that script and I made it into an MP3 and put some music behind it and stuff like that.

And all of a sudden this knowledge that came from Steiner ends up on the internet freely available for all.

So this is where we get the explosion from.

This is where we get the passing of the baton,

If you know what I mean.

And I will say this,

Which is really important,

I think you know this as well,

Is that I would say 95% of my listeners to my meditations on Insight Timer are women.

So it strikes me that the change is going to come from the female side.

But then the task is to bring the four men along as well at the same time so we don't leave us fellows behind.

Yes,

That is indeed.

What we have to do is to integrate in our outer,

Transcendent,

Dominant and of course the male,

Female.

You know,

This is,

I call it Jesus yoga because in Jesus's teachings this is the main focus.

You have to integrate what he puts as above and below and the outer and the inner and male and the female.

Very beautiful lines in Gospel According to Thomas.

Oh fantastic.

Well it's so good then that you are collaborating and you're both writing these books together because the books are obviously going to have both sides of the.

.

.

Yes,

Male female,

Male female,

These are very important for today's people to understand.

You know this is why sexual energy and transforming it is so important.

Male female relationship is so very important and by the way homosexuals should not feel excluded because male female is included in homosexual relationship as well.

There is a male counterpart and there is a female counterpart.

Body doesn't matter so much.

It's the software that you have to integrate.

So the software's even there are poorer software.

The opposite software's are essential in order to attract each other and that shows up as a brain difference,

Not the genital difference.

That shows up in the brain difference of the women have the different connection of the amygdala,

The center of negative emotions.

For the female it's connected more to the left brain,

For the male it's connected more to the right brain,

But right brain is unconscious in us.

So for the male suppression of negative emotions come in a very natural way and that's what they do.

So they are emotion suppressor whereas for women they are relationship oriented because for them there is no avoiding it.

Left brain is conscious.

And so females they talk more relationship oriented and because they are relationship oriented they discover love and some of them discover the heart chakra and so this creates the entire polarity.

And that polarity extends to the chakras as well.

Males are dominated by the navel chakra.

Males are dominated by the heart chakra,

Navel chakra is where it's self love,

Self perspective.

This is the other love,

Love for others.

So women lack in the self love and therefore they depend on men and men don't have other love and that's what the attraction is.

Women have the other love.

So in a way this is a very complementary situation but it is best to integrate.

If you integrate then no longer there is so much polarity but you don't need polarity by that time.

So when you talk about the quantum brain are you in the book are you also exploring the quantum neurology,

All the mind centres?

Absolutely.

We have clear description of why brain apparatus has become quantum because of their vital energy,

Non-local correlation with vital energies.

We show how the negative emotions were created by evolution.

We show how the musentredness is created and we also show how the way out,

How do we get over all this?

Including pleasure centre and including addiction,

We talk about a whole bunch of things.

And in the second book we really take it in terms of developing happiness and intelligence.

Well it sounds like we need both books last year,

Not this year,

Not next year.

So I look forward to having you both on the show when the books are out and it's been so good to talk to you.

Keep well,

Keep safe.

Your knowledge is really important,

It comes out.

It needs to be amplified and create this lovely virus in the world that nicely infects everybody.

Thank you Tom.

It's always so nice to be with you.

And where's the best place for people to find you still?

Is it through the Quantum University or through your main website?

What's the best URL?

My website still is the website where you can get all the information about the new university which is called Quantum Activism Vishalaram.

My website is Amit Goswami dot org.

And that website has all the information.

Fantastic.

Well I'm really glad our soul waves have bonded yet again.

It's lovely to talk to you and we'll see you on the Zone Show pretty soon I hope.

Okay,

Thank you so much again.

Take good care.

I've been Tom Evans and you've been listening to the Zone Show.

You'll find the other podcasts with Amit Goswami down the bottom of this podcast on the Zone Show dot com as well as the three meditations that I mentioned in the podcast.

And for many many more meditations and books and resources come over to my main website www.

Tomevans.

Co.

Thanks so much for listening.

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Fabulous! I think that this is a very important conversation to listen to, and will be sharing it widely. “If we could love Donals Trump rather than idolizing him.” Boom! I do think that there are a couple points that require further elaboration, namely re: ego and persona, and re: sexuality. That said, I am very impressed by the recognition of the role of persona in egoic problems. Regarding sexuality, I think it is crucial to discern between Eastern and Western beliefs and practices. Tantric tradition provides a foundation, not only is spiritual development but of psychological maturation that make it possible to draw upon sexual energy and practice to cultivate love. Modern Western practices are largely focused on stimulating dopamine highs, resulting in an extremely widespread problem of sexual addiction and sexual narcissism, with exceedingly poor interpersonal connection. The feminine principle is nearly absent altogether. I also greatly appreciate the recognition of the fact that masculine and feminine principles are not tied to the genitals, such that the same spiritual principles apply regardless of gender identity or sexual orientation. Beautiful!
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Thank you Tom!!!