5D, New Earth And World Peace: An New & Optimistic Viewpoint

This is the audio of a PowerPoint presentation with Christopher Largent recorded in 2023.
We are in yet another year of intensity and hard work for most of us (in case you hadn't noticed, LOL). This talks about two world views - one oriented around power and control, the other about holism and partnership.
This is complimentary to the similar material presented in the tracks "Empath & Ancient Wisdom: Transition To 5D, A New Earth Pt 1" and "Pt 2"

Transcript

Consciousness 3D and 5D.

And as always with the Seventh Academy,

The emphasis is on the tools and processes to understand 3D to 5D rather than the facts.

The facts,

That's a whole other discussion.

We're heading in the direction of a couple of slides that are a grid of the various aspects of 3D and 5D and how they differ between 3D,

5D,

And what happens in the transition between them.

I'm expecting a lot of discussion around those matrices.

They're good discussion materials,

If I say so myself.

But let's start off with what is 3D.

Yes,

I love my graphics.

There's a fish swimming across the screen there because asking us what is 3D is like asking a fish what's water.

We've been living in 3D for,

Depending on how old you are,

A few thousand years,

Give or take.

What is 5D?

By any other name,

In the 70s it got referred to as the Age of Aquarius.

Then it got referred to as the New Age and that term has been so overused that somewhere along the line 5D caught on.

But in terms of understanding what 5D is,

I want to start off talking about metaphors.

Partly because metaphors,

As Chris has talked about previously,

Can be so powerful because they speak to the imaginal and the intuitive intelligences rather than speaking to the intellect.

And so one example of a metaphor in terms of,

If 5D is looking forward,

Then I want to start off by looking back.

And you can't really look back much further than the creation.

The idea that the world was created in seven days,

Personally I take it as a metaphor.

Some people might say that it's a metaphor for evolution,

Although I would be inclined more to put evolution as being another metaphor,

Still less than perfect,

But a metaphor.

As George Brooks,

A statistician,

Was known to say,

Because I keep reminding you guys every time I talk,

All models are wrong,

Some are useful.

For most of us,

I find,

Certainly for myself,

The metaphor of evolution to be a more useful model than the seven days of creation.

But it always depends on what's your audience,

What's the circumstances.

So if creation metaphors of the world in seven days,

Genesis,

And Charles Darwin are creation metaphors,

Then what are the metaphors for 5D?

Well,

We can start talking about the biblical reference to the rapture.

I think this particular photo had to have been taken on October the 29th of 1992,

Or it was just somebody who happened to be in rapture who was walking along the streets and saw this notice.

But I take it that if Genesis can be a metaphor for the creation,

Then the rapture can be a metaphor for 5D.

Another metaphor would be ascension.

Yeah,

I love my graphics,

There goes a little guy into the spaceship.

But whereas the rapture is we're going off to heaven,

Ascension is more usually presented in terms of we're going off to meet with the other dimensional beings in their means of transportation.

And the other one I want to mention would be Dolores Cannon,

Three waves of volunteers in the new earth.

Essentially,

This talking about 5D from a place of higher frequency,

And the new earth being a splitting off of our civilization,

Or so-called civilization on the planet,

In terms of higher frequencies,

Lower frequencies,

And that by and large,

The two don't mix.

And that for those at the higher frequencies,

That would represent 5D for that.

And then of course,

Transitional metaphors,

Talking about the great transformation and the great purification would also be metaphors for how we're moving from 3D to 5D.

Because essentially,

When I'm talking about metaphors,

We're talking about the concept that's more generally referred to as the map is not the territory.

A map is a model.

And as I've already said,

All models are wrong some of you.

And metaphors are maps,

Aka models.

And having strong beliefs or believing metaphors to be fact is like trying to live in the map and mistaking the map for the territory leads to a whole load of confusion.

Confusion at best,

Wars at worst.

Just to take the map is not the territory into the concept of the four levels,

Or just a quick recap over the four levels,

Starting off with level one,

Reality as a whole is the one.

It is everything.

At level two,

We're talking about oneness,

Complementary opposites.

So things like yin yang would fall into level two.

At level three,

We're talking about patterns and processes and systems.

So it's making sense of the everyday processes that occur at level four.

Traffic systems are patterns and processes.

They're the reason why when you drive up to a red light at a junction you've never been to before,

You put on the brake because you understand the pattern,

The process,

The system behind traffic light.

I don't know about you,

But there is a reason why I still look both ways and listen carefully when I walk across a traffic intersection.

It's because shit still happens at the everyday process level,

Level four,

Just in case somebody doesn't know about the rules at level three.

So at level four,

In terms of the map and the territory,

We are living in the territory.

The difference between the map and the territory is of course you can't build a house on a map,

You can build a house on the territory.

So as far as level four goes,

We are living in the territory.

At level three,

A USA 50 state map falls in at level three,

The interstate highway map falls in at level three,

And metaphors for 5D are level three.

The sheer concept of map versus territory would be level two,

And then at level one,

All the maps and all the territory make up the whole and therefore are level one.

Questions on the four levels here?

We're doing fine.

Okay,

So now we're coming into the grid.

So on the left hand side,

Worldview,

Power structure,

How we experience each of the dimensions,

What the drivers are for each dimension,

And then the columns for the 3D approach.

On the right hand side,

The 5D approach,

And then in the middle,

The transition,

Which some people talk about as being Ford,

But it's basically that transitional state vibe.

People don't tend to talk about Forge.

So starting off with worldview,

The 3D approach,

Very much the atomistic approach,

We are billiard balls bouncing around with,

On the 5D,

The holistic approach of,

Yeah,

The butterfly stamping its foot in Australia causes a hurricane in the Atlantic.

We are holistically connected to every other living being on the planet.

At the level of power structure,

3D,

Top-down control,

5D,

The more indigenous society type of partnership approach,

Experience through.

3D,

Experience through the body,

While we're in transition,

Experience through the heart,

And at 5D,

It's a soul connection.

We're experiencing 5D through at a soul level.

We are spiritual beings having a human experience.

It's at the level of that spiritual being that we get to experience 5.

And guys,

Feel free to stop me as we're going through this.

Main drivers,

3D,

Lust,

Greed,

Power,

I'm in two minds about.

So the impetus for this grid was actually the work of somebody else that was shared with me.

So some of the terms on this grid,

I'm not fully attached to.

And the first place I go here is,

Yeah,

Forgiveness is part of the transition from 3D to 5D.

In terms of sense of purpose in 5D,

This comes back to Epictetus,

We can only do what is ours to do.

It's the basis for all of the work that we're going,

Chris and I are going to be doing together at the Academy with true freedom,

The teachings of a former slave,

Because it's about,

We can only do what is ours to do.

And what is ours to do?

How do we find out what is ours to do?

But once you find out your mission on the planet,

You get to live that out in 5D by being on purpose.

Pam,

Do you have a question?

Or are you just waving at us cheerfully?

No,

I do have a question,

But they need to add that ability to just do this.

Anyway,

I'm just curious under main drivers,

3D,

How you feel about my impulse to switch that to fear instead of lust,

Greed,

Power.

I was going to say the same thing,

Pam.

I agree.

I think fear needs to be in there.

I almost think fear is what's underlying,

But then I get drivers.

So fear drives that impulse toward lust,

Greed,

And power.

Is that what this is saying?

Absolutely.

And I think in fact,

In the primary emotion,

As we get down there,

Fear is going to be the one that turns up there.

And I don't know who,

I'm not terribly sure who did this,

And Trevor and I have talked about it,

Because what we are always looking for is a great discussion tool.

Because if you look at the first three here,

The first two,

The atomistic,

Holistic,

And then realized there's distinction between control and partnership societies.

Those are whole worldview ways of thinking about the world.

Do I think about the world as if I'm just this thing,

Moving with a bunch of other things?

Or do I think about it in a more whole systems,

Whole process way in atomistic,

Holistic?

In top-down control and partnership,

It's in what that looks like when you're constructing societies.

When you have experience,

It says,

Okay,

Then I'm walking around in the daily experience,

What is,

What's my main way of experiencing that?

And of course,

Body,

Heart,

Soul,

That would be an interesting conversation.

I'm not sure how I feel about those,

But it looks like fun.

And then the drivers,

The idea is what would drive somebody?

And yeah,

I think I would put something like anxiety or something in there,

Pam,

Too,

Along with,

I mean,

Lust,

I think is fine.

But I do get that,

And I almost thought,

You know,

I should wait until we go through the whole grid,

But yeah,

Yeah,

Because fear is more of an emotion,

So yeah.

But if you have,

It's a good one,

Because you think,

Okay,

If I have an anxiety,

Like fear can be an emotion,

But if we want to make a distinction,

We don't have to,

Between,

Say,

Fear and anxiety.

Anxiety might be something that's a driver.

You think,

Oh my God,

I'm anxious,

I've got to resolve this anxiety.

Yes,

Yes.

And even power,

You know,

When you have a,

If you have a top-down control worldview,

Then the driver is a drive for power,

But it's usually power over as opposed to power with,

That old Confucian idea.

And it's usually power so that you can relieve your own anxiety.

But didn't it also include trauma then?

Because where would a lot of the fear come from if there,

How much of the driver is trauma?

Well,

And I think now we're into sort of discussing and evaluating 3D as a whole,

You know,

We're getting ahead of Trevor's matrix here,

But yeah,

Yeah.

And let's keep going down the list.

And certainly,

Just one comment,

Chris,

In terms of anxiety and fear are just different levels of the same emotion.

Anxiety is low-grade fear.

Yeah,

It might just be a little more of a driver,

Depending on how low-grade it is.

Well,

And certainly the case of,

At the point that fear gets to be paralyzing,

It no longer becomes the driver.

So,

In 3D,

Perception is through the five physical senses.

In 5D,

We're talking about the imaginal and intuitive being awakened.

And actually,

Synchronicities are a way in which the imaginal intuitive gets awoken.

It's by those synchronicities it's a case of,

Hang on,

There's something else going on here that my intellect doesn't understand.

Which,

Of course,

Brings us down to intelligences on the next time,

Next line.

In 3D,

It's about intellect and the analytical.

In transition,

We start to get intuitive glimpses as our imaginal intuitive senses start to awake.

And in 5D,

Of course,

All of those intelligences are going to be awake and running.

So,

I'm just going to remind us that we have three teams of intelligences roughly.

And again,

This is just a tool that the physical and emotional get us around on the everyday level when we have an infinitely diverse universe.

And then,

A level up when reflecting on that are the analytical and synthesizing intellects.

So,

That's the second team.

And the interesting thing about the first one is it's direct.

Physical and emotional things are direct.

The intellect is indirect.

So,

It can be programmed to believe all kinds of silly things.

And then,

The top two,

The ones that relate to the whole,

That give us whole experiences,

Are the imagination,

The intuition.

Those are also direct experiences.

And I'm just going to remind us that if you remember when Mike Thomas came and gave his talk on neuroscience,

The imaginal intuitive and the physical emotional are considered the unconscious by most neuroscientists today,

With some variation.

And the intellect is considered primary awareness.

And what they're saying is the latest guess of neuroscientists is that the imaginal intuitive physical emotional taking in millions of bits of information when the intellect is taking in hundreds of bits.

So,

That move from the intellect,

Because that's what we do in school,

We program a passive intellect.

I mean,

I was in the educational realm for years and years.

And what you have is you have a bunch of kids sitting there,

And they absorb information that has already been analyzed for them by the teacher or the authority.

That's the analytical intellect.

And then,

It's synthesized by the teacher.

The teacher tells you what it means.

The tricky,

That's the tricky bit about the intellect.

That's the limit of it.

And what we are calling the everyday 3D here,

Because that means that it never gets creative.

But if you remember Max Planck,

The grandfather of quantum physics,

Saying in a famous essay in 1933,

You can't do science without the creative imagination,

Because you have to have this whole picture.

And what they were doing at the time,

You remember switching from the Newtonian industrial revolution notion of the world as a machine to the more 20th century notion of the world and Sir James Jeans phrase is a big mind.

And when you get all six intelligences,

The reason people talk about 5D there is that means all of our entire systems are reflecting the whole,

And we realize this is just the whole talking to itself.

And so,

That's a higher dimensional perception.

Actually,

Many scientists talk about getting their breakthroughs in dreams,

DNA,

The dream about snakes was pivotal in terms of realizing the double helix nature of DNA.

Similarly,

In organic chemistry,

And lots of things in physics.

So,

Yeah.

Okay,

Communication,

Communication is 3D through words,

In 5D through telepathy,

Transitional feelings.

Every now and again,

I get asked in terms of the work that I do in terms of,

Well,

Essentially,

Telepathy is still communication with permission in both ways,

Both directions.

Communication without permission is at best being psychic,

And at worst,

Either can't happen,

Or is happening,

Basically breaking the rules.

And I'm probably on,

We could probably have a whole another hour discussion just about telepathy here.

Primary emotion.

Yeah,

This is where we've got the fear.

And I'm not sure that I like,

I certainly like trust for the transition,

But I don't regard peace as being an emotion.

If anything,

It should be love,

But we will come to love on the next slide.

We could talk about a state of bliss,

About a state of oneness.

The fact is,

You know,

There's a reason why Eskimos have 12 different words for snow.

They're around snow all the time.

They're the reason why we don't have good words for the primary emotion around 5D.

We haven't been around 5D for long enough to talk about it well.

That's why we're having this discussion this morning.

But certainly that idea of bliss,

Love,

Oneness would be a better emotion under 5D here.

Beliefs.

Religion is definitely,

Organized religion fits under 3D,

Not least because organized religion tells me what to believe and how to believe.

In 5D,

It's a case of I don't need to be told what to believe.

It's in every cell of my body,

So I know it.

I'm living,

Would be the 5D approach on one.

And between the two,

As our willingness to be members of organized religion falls away,

People talk much more about spirituality than they do about being.

You'll get people turning around and saying,

Well,

I'm not religious,

But I am.

I think one of the points about religion too is,

And this would be in a different category to say people are often attracted to those groups because they're looking for community and connectedness.

Because if we remember,

Belief wasn't much of a conversation among human beings until we had a state religion in the West 1,

500 years ago and a state religion in China about 600,

700 years earlier than that.

And all of a sudden,

Everything is belief.

And most of my colleagues at the university will translate any word that has to do with cognition.

Every other translation will be belief,

But it's something that Plato and Socrates would have found not worth discussing.

And even talking about,

You know,

Is there a belief that might be true and what would that mean and so on.

So,

That's one of the shifts here when people are doing this.

There's that you have to have some dogmatic something that you say,

This is my thing,

Right?

And so a lot of people say,

Well,

Oneness,

You know,

I believe in oneness.

Yeah,

It is or it isn't,

Right?

My belief is like a scientist.

My belief doesn't make any difference in the world,

Right?

In that sense.

But as we'll talk about as we get to the end,

Experiencing that is quite a different matter.

It's something that is,

We suspect,

And that's what we always talk about at the academy is,

It's one of those open question,

Open religions.

Sorry,

Open question,

Open kind of frontiers when you're at religion or spirituality,

Simply because that's where we're headed.

And the thing about pioneers is you,

We have to have that kind of open flexibility,

Just because we don't know where we're going.

Again,

Let's remind ourselves of the Merlin,

The Merlin,

The series on cultural transformers,

All clear paths are behind you if you're a pioneer.

And that's something that people have been trying to get used to since 2012,

When we first talked about back in the day when Trevor still lived in lived in Delaware,

And we were doing Merlin stuff.

It was a long time ago.

Sharon.

And that's happened in 10 years.

Yes.

Sharon,

Feel free to jump in,

Even if Dennis isn't there.

Oh,

He's here,

But he's sleeping.

So,

I hope this fits in.

I think it does.

So,

I always struggle with this whole belief thing.

Like I have a hard time coming up with the vocabulary that when I talk about things,

I'm not saying that I believe something,

Because I,

Anyway.

So,

I just have a question.

Like I saw a young person with a t-shirt that had the symbol of the,

I mean,

I guess it's the Satanist,

You know,

The goat in a lotus position in rainbow stripes.

And I'm like,

Oh,

I wonder what they are trying to communicate with that.

Like my gut,

What would I say,

Contracted or reacted to the goat in the lotus position.

And anyway,

I'm like looking at myself and trying to figure out what do I believe or do I not even ask myself,

What do I believe?

Do you know what I'm saying?

Do you not?

Yeah.

Okay.

So,

Sharon,

Two things.

Let's remember sexist empiricists in that second century thing on skepticism said,

Of course,

We're not going to worry too much about words because we're not going to treat them as if they're absolute,

Or we start trying to censor everything.

You get that in kind of simplistic metaphysics.

Well,

I don't want to say this.

And what I just said might be doing anything.

Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah,

Fine.

If that's something that keeps you going during the day,

Great.

But generally speaking,

We don't want to sweat too much about the words.

On the other hand,

If you're looking for an alternative to that,

You think of what people did.

If you're in an indigenous society and you ask somebody a question,

You know what you're going to get?

Nine times out of 10,

A story.

I think,

Great.

I just wanted a 12 word answer.

Could you skip the eight page story,

Which I just,

I was noticing that I was reading,

I'm reading Tapestry to Mary and we just got to the point where I put in the Micmac story and it goes on and on and on,

But it's a good story.

And I think to a certain extent,

Before you got to the institutionalized religions,

East and West on the planet,

The idea of someone saying,

Well,

Let's talk about this together.

That is,

It's a school system that gives us this idea,

Also Aristotle,

You have to have fixed answers,

Right?

And you think,

Okay,

Suppose I just give that up and say,

All right,

I'm not looking for the right answer,

The fixed answer,

Anything like that.

My life is a kind of answer in a way.

But what I can do is I can start exploring things and that exploration,

What did Plato do with it?

He wrote 33 dozen dialogues and 80 people tell stories.

The Buddha told stories and gave metaphors and structures.

The Hindus tell stories.

Confucius would be a little more direct,

But it was still the same sort of thing.

He was teaching skills,

Right?

Because the idea is,

Well,

All of us,

The idea,

Especially in academies,

Is everybody's a genius and brilliant and has this natural wisdom.

The job of the academy is to try to find some way to bring that out.

And so,

What you notice is these people dodge giving a straight answer.

Remember the famous story with the Buddha,

His favorite disciple Ananda was sitting there and some student comes up and says,

Well,

Is there a soul or isn't there a soul,

Atman?

Because it becomes a pretty thing of fight in ancient India.

And the Buddha says,

No.

And this next kid comes up and says,

Is there a soul or not?

And the Buddha said,

Yeah,

There is.

The third person comes up and says,

Is there a soul or not?

And he said,

I don't know.

And so,

Ananda came to him and said the modern equivalent of what the heck?

And the Buddha said,

I'm not an answer machine.

I'm a teacher.

I gave each one of those people what they needed to keep going on their quest.

And it's sort of like that.

And a lot of times when we talk to ourselves,

John,

It's the same.

So,

What you were doing,

You saw that,

Essentially that t-shirt is some kind of little story the person is telling himself or herself.

We're not sure what the story is.

The good news for us is we start talking to ourselves.

We start having that inner dialogue and so on.

And that's how the whole talks to itself anyway,

Except through Dennis,

Of course,

And that's much more direct.

But see what I mean?

If we give up this idea of fixed belief and we don't have to,

I mean,

I'm just saying,

Don't get too attached to that.

And then start thinking,

What are the alternatives?

We'll find that most of the time we're telling ourselves stories,

Talking to ourselves,

Or wanting to engage in somebody else's story,

Or talk to them,

Or have a dialogue.

Does that help at all?

Lisa Schneider-Cipriano A little.

I guess I'm looking at the whole kind of the Satanist idea.

And,

You know,

It was so vilified in my conservative Christian upbringing.

And then I've kind of like gone many years and not even thought about like,

I just didn't really even think Satanists,

I don't know,

Were alive and well,

I guess I want to say.

And then I feel like through this whole COVID thing,

There's just been so much,

At least things that I've heard about Satanism.

And so,

I'm like struggling within myself about what my view is.

And I have,

I guess maybe what I'm struggling with is that the dark is part of the whole,

It's still something that I want to cast out.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

David That's why in the ancient world,

You remember,

It was philosophy,

If we're,

We have spirituality here.

And even oneness.

2500 years ago,

From Egypt to Persia,

To India,

To Greece,

They'd have had philosophy in there,

The love of wisdom.

And the idea is,

The philosophy is to say,

What's the bigger picture here?

The bigger picture would be,

If you take,

If you take Satanic stuff,

If they,

People who take this seriously,

The core philosophical belief is there's a fundamental principle of destruction.

And everybody from the Buddha to Leibniz said,

If that were true,

Why is there something rather than nothing?

And all it does is in practice,

It invites violent behavior.

That's the short form.

Long form is detailed and nasty and outside this realm of this discussion.

But that's the short form.

And that would be,

If you jump up the level where you're looking at unifying principles,

You say,

Okay,

Yin and yang in Asia,

Or strife and love in,

I think that was Heraclitus in Greece,

You're saying these two are not absolutes in the everyday,

They're big unifying principles.

And that's what the yin yang symbol means,

Not I have to put up with the darkness in my everyday life,

Meaning,

I have to put up with violence in my everyday life.

Yeah,

There's going to be violence.

It's Buddha's first noble truth,

There's suffering,

Everybody don't panic,

You're going to run into suffering,

So chill.

But the great transformation is about,

Among other things,

That transformation of a suffering mentality into a mentality that is more peaceful,

More partnership oriented,

What we would call more spiritual and so on.

And that puts us on a big path,

A big adventure in a big process.

Each of us doing it individually,

And each of us often standing,

Staring at a big open question and a big open issue of anything.

That's why questions are good,

Not because they're going to get answers,

But because they set us on an adventure.

So can I give you a different approach to the t-shirt?

From the perspective of you see a goat,

And all of this stuff about Satanism comes up,

And the goat is a metaphor.

And for the belief system,

The thought form around Satanism,

You see that it's sitting in meditation pose,

And that triggers all sorts of belief systems about meditation,

Not to mention the thought forms about the appropriateness of a goat in Satanism being associated with meditation.

And then you've got the rainbow on top,

Which would imply LGBT gay rights on top of meditation,

On top of Satanism.

And you've got the whole thing is a great big cosmic middle finger.

It's a wonderful joke that in biblical times,

You'd have to be a prophet to get away with.

And I just think that that is a wonderful commentary on a generation that is in transition from 3D to 5.

And Trevor and I have talked a lot about this,

By the way,

Too,

Sharon,

It sets up this wonderful cognitive dissonance that leads to great discussions.

And we talked about that cognitive dissonance ends up being more and more and more important in our conversations,

The more we go around,

I mean,

For everybody.

You remember when Tracy used to talk about cognitive dissonance all the time.

And anytime you're on the cutting edge or something,

And there's a big transformation,

That's going to be one of the big drivers.

I mean,

I would put that up there in a driver and transition,

I put cognitive dissonance up there with forgiveness,

Because I think,

Yeah,

That's a driver too.

Well,

That was very helpful.

Thank you.

It gives me a whole new perspective.

Thank you.

I have a question,

By the way,

Sharon,

Your laughter was just great,

Even though I could only see you and not hear you.

With a belief,

I'm wondering,

Like dogma,

The 3D or inner,

The spirituality is this inner experience of,

And that with a 5D,

The wholeness,

The oneness.

So,

It's like going from that outer world being the right one,

To it being more of my own,

Like that transition into my own inner authority,

To the oneness of,

I'm part of the whole.

That's a really interesting one,

Beth,

Because I had to give a talk to a bunch of new thought movement people,

Including Christian scientists on Sunday night.

And one of the things that the new thought movement,

It was going from the outer to the inner.

And then the founder of Christian science,

Mary Baker Eddy said,

There'll come a time in the future where in and out don't have any meaning to people.

It'll just be the whole.

So,

That would be a nice run there,

Actually.

Yeah.

Moving on to values,

3D materialistic,

Transitional love,

And the value in 5D is disunited.

And lastly,

On this slide,

Before we continue the matrix on the next slide,

Addictions,

Basically many minimal and addiction would be impossible within a 5.

One way of looking at this is within 3D,

The emphasis is on physical addiction,

But in transition,

The addictions can still be there.

They're more moving into the mental.

Again,

With my clients,

I use,

I'm releasing any and all addiction to the familiar.

We know that concept of,

Yeah,

I know it's probably not good for me,

But at least I know it.

It's familiar.

And that it takes courage to actually go into the unfamiliar.

Can I go back to the values of materialistic and that rubric is what's coming.

I have no idea why,

But the materialistic,

Isn't that more of separateness?

Because you're going to unity and love with the materialistic then be the separateness because I own it.

I have it.

It's going back to the main drivers.

That's just what I was just wondering about with the wording of it,

Of it being,

It's very separate.

And that separateness is summed up right at the top in terms of a world view of atomistic.

I'm in a separate physical body from you,

Beth,

Therefore there can be no connection between us.

And I think that's why in material,

We cut a lot about materialist reductionist world views in wherever,

Whatever discipline you want to go into.

And one of the immediate implications is the separateness or in a top-down control society,

Even what are driving people away from each other.

And I don't remember the name of the guy.

We've talked about this.

There's a guy who's,

I think,

Born in Belgium,

Teaches in Germany or the other way around.

And he was analyzing what makes for a very controlling totalitarian state.

What's the mentality of the citizens?

And remember,

The first thing he said was,

You have to have this sense of separateness and then build on that sense of meaninglessness in their lives and so on.

And boom,

You've got a totalitarian population.

And so the materialist reductionist one that belonged to the machine age because people say,

Oh yeah,

We're mechanically attached to each other,

But the connections are minimal or we don't care about them.

They're not important.

What's important is the thing.

And that's like the school system.

What's important is the fact.

Well,

Out of context,

It means absolutely nothing.

And what's more materialist reductionist approach is to physics.

That's what they've done in the last century.

It practically made physics boring unless you're out of the box like David Bohm or what's his face,

Nassim,

Because the idea was,

Okay,

Atoms are the little things.

No,

They're not.

Planck said they weren't.

Heisenberg said they weren't.

Einstein said they weren't.

But the public got this picture in their head of,

Well,

There are these little teeny tiny things that make up the world.

Well,

That's an old Greek atomist notion.

And remember,

Heisenberg said,

It's not true.

They're not things.

Modern physics,

He said,

Is decided in favor of Plato.

The universe is a world of ideas,

Of connected processes,

And like currents in a river,

Not billiard balls on a table.

So yeah,

It's got that sense of separation built right into it and refers right to the atomistic worldview.

In fact,

There could very easily be another line on here with the label physics.

And under 3D,

You'd have Newtonian.

And under 5D,

You'd have quantum.

Quantum physics understands the wholeness in a way that is totally void in Newtonian physics.

And you remember,

One of the reasons I mentioned David Bohm,

Of course,

Is because after he wrote a really good book on quantum mechanics,

It seemed too mechanical.

And so,

Bohm started having these philosophical conversations with Krishnamurti,

You remember that?

And finally,

He wrote a book called Wholeness in the Implicit Order.

And people thought it was kind of philosophical book about science.

He said,

No,

It's a science book.

It's philosophical.

Without that kind of perspective,

Science is just going to wander around aimlessly.

Well,

A lot of mainstream physics,

That's exactly what it's doing,

Wandering around aimlessly.

Bright people,

Good conversations,

Not getting very far,

Because they're still falling back into the,

Oh,

We have atoms and so on.

No,

We don't.

And since the three main people involved in it said,

We don't,

The idea is all you're doing is you're seeing a track or a path.

And you think,

Oh,

There must be a thing that's doing that.

No,

I don't think so.

In fact,

If we tried to do that in materialism,

The beauty of materialism,

In the materialist reductionist worldview,

I want to be clear,

Is that if I try to freeze something to make it just a fixed thing unmoving,

It's impossible.

We get an image if we stare ourselves in the mirror and say,

Okay,

Don't flinch.

There's a thing there.

Your whole body is doing a million things while you're doing that.

Other dimensional things are going on,

All kinds of other stuff is happening.

And what you're doing is you're staring at yourself in the mirror.

That's a whole talking to itself and having a little bit of fun.

Let's see if we can turn this into a thing.

Go ahead,

Give it a shot.

No,

It's going to fail every time,

But it's fun trying.

Thank you for playing.

There was a saying that it used to be that if you asked a scientist whether they believed in God,

The answer would be,

No,

Of course I don't believe in God.

I'm a scientist.

The true leading-edge scientists now,

If you ask them whether they believe in God,

The answer would be,

Of course I believe in God.

I'm a scientist.

And that would be a shift from 3D to 5D.

Moving forward into the second of the two slides,

Starting off with politics.

3D,

Us versus them,

Transition of civil unrest.

In 5D,

Anarchy.

And I use the word anarchy hyphenated like that because the root is the same root as monarchy,

Hierarchy,

Oligarchy.

It's basically rulership.

The prefix is the same prefix as apolitical,

Agnostic,

Atheistic.

It's the negation of rulership.

It actually has nothing to do with chaos that the controlling order sees anarchy as being.

Anarchy is much more,

I was thinking this morning actually,

It's much more like libertarianism on steroids.

It's you look after your business,

I'll look after mine,

And never the twain will meet unless we both agree.

Sharon,

I see a new t-shirt ahead of you.

Go ahead,

Tell me,

Tell me.

5D politics,

Look at the two columns coming together.

It's going to be,

That's your t-shirt and people will go,

So they'll,

You'll put it there and they'll have lots of questions and you get to put it out there into the consciousness.

Okay,

Thanks.

Yeah,

I mean that t-shirt,

Sharon,

Is so much more graphic than it would be just as a slogan which read,

I'm a rebel.

Coming down to education,

5D versus 3D,

3D top-down production line,

An educational system that came out of Henry Ford's assembly.

The classical academy approach that Chris is taking is a way of providing a transition from here to there,

Where in a 5D world,

Education is,

First of all,

Participatory rather than top-down.

And second of all,

It acknowledges that we're natural learners,

That we want to learn as part of natural growth.

And there's a spin on,

I can only do what is mine to do.

It's,

I only want to learn what is mine to learn.

And what got Trevor and I partnering on this recently is that both of us realizing that in a classical academy's job is always to point to the natural wisdom,

Intelligence,

And so on of the people that we're working with.

We agree that working with people,

What we'd like to say in 2022 at the seminars is,

You're smarter than you think you are,

Wiser than you think you are,

Healthier than you think you are,

And anything else you want to put in there that you like.

Because that's what it's supposed to do.

Classical academies have always pointed in that,

Here,

For this thing,

Always in that 5D direction,

To say,

You guys have this naturally.

Okay,

We'll have some fun on the next four.

Gender,

Love,

Marriage,

And intimate relations.

We're on best home ground here.

Gender,

3D,

Clearly defined.

Transition,

Fluidity,

And a 5D perspective where,

Yes,

There's clear understanding of masculine,

Feminine,

And other,

And there is fluidity between those.

If we look at love in 3D,

Love is kind of a thought-form-based,

Hormone-driven belief system.

It's essentially,

I'm in love with being in love.

It becomes conditional love in the 4D and the transition state,

And true unconditional love is the 5D state.

Marriage.

Historically,

Marriage has been contractual,

Economic,

And put in place for the structure pairing.

In transition,

Love and companionship,

And in 5D,

It's about finding your beloved soulmate and deinstitutionalizing the whole thing.

Marriage is a wonderful institution for those people who like living in it.

Not original.

Do you remember whose quote that was?

You say it again.

Marriage is a wonderful institution for those people who like living in the institution.

Anybody who wants to Google it offline,

Feel free.

Intimate relationships outside of marriage.

In 3D,

Historically,

They've been taboo,

And paying for it was the acceptable way.

I can't spell there.

That would be a typo.

In transition,

Guilt,

Confusion,

Friends with benefits fits.

To some extent,

Putting the word confusion in here applies all the way down the transition from 3D to 5D,

But especially so where sex,

And in a 5D state,

We're talking about pleasure,

Unity,

The unification.

Questions,

Comments?

You're very quiet on this section,

Guys.

Moving into illnesses.

It is remarkable how much these two columns just fall under everything that Chris,

You previously discussed with us under the heading of atomistic versus holistic.

We're moving out of an atomistic world into a holistic world.

I say that because you've been talking to us about illnesses as well.

In a 3D world,

We create toxic environments and then do wars against the effects.

In a 5D world,

It's about creating a healthy lifestyle and allowing changes to our environment to provide the opportunity for up-level,

To raise our consciousness.

One thing I'd like to just add to that because I keep making post-it notes to myself here is that we're looking from the bottom up.

We're looking from 3D to 5D,

Which helps with being strategic on a daily basis.

One of the things that the overview for the Great Transformation and so on is that it's top-down in the sense that everybody who's here is grounding that higher template,

The higher consciousness,

The higher frequency.

Remember last year we did the Twelve Stages of Mystic Path to give you a sense that everybody's got an inner mystic.

Well,

That connects everybody to the whole.

That means everybody is grounding that higher consciousness and higher energy here.

This transition looking from the bottom up is what we look at after that sense of,

Okay,

I know that I'm here doing that.

That's why in the classes here,

We ended up with Rumi's one-liner,

Humans walk with one foot in time and one foot in eternity.

The one foot in time immediate implication for 2022 is your well-being is central,

Critical,

And the most important thing you can do this year,

All forms of well-being from physical,

Mental,

Spiritual,

To having fun and joy and so on.

It's something else that Trev and I were talking about,

Which led to some of the things we'll be doing this year on Zoom,

That we can't forget that because one of the things that happened in relatively simplistic metaphysics after World War II was,

I have to wake myself up,

I have to enlighten myself,

I have to,

And so on.

From the bottom up,

That's not false.

That's true.

But the point is I can't do that without that top-down realization.

That's why David Bohm starts from the whole,

And so do the Hindus,

A lot of the Buddhists,

The whole unfolds itself down through levels to its infinite diversity and things are re-unfolded back into the whole,

Right?

So that means these things that we're looking at are things that are going to happen in some sense very naturally as a result of who we are.

And so we're about to,

Having this last line here of illnesses,

We're about to go into Sharon's request for,

Can we talk about the role of COVID with five?

And I wanted to start this section with the one thing that was obvious from day one of the pandemic was,

If you want to lower your immune system and make yourself more susceptible to catching COVID,

The best place to go is into fear.

We know the impact of fear on the physiology.

We know the impact of fear on the immune system.

And fear,

As we've seen,

Is very much a 3D state.

Don't want to come from that perspective.

We know the,

The joke is actually this morning's session over Zoom wouldn't even be happening without COVID.

I had actually met Chris at the end of 2011,

Worked with him through 2012 and left Delaware in 20,

Halfway through 2013.

And I had frequent or certainly not infrequent conversations with Chris about,

It'd be really nice if you did some of your classes over Zoom.

And I'd had that conversation with him from my current residence in Asheville,

North Carolina,

And he resisted and he resisted and he resisted.

It took a global pandemic,

Good grief,

Chris,

You're resistant.

It took a global pandemic to actually get you to start holding these Zoom sessions in 2020,

2019.

So yeah,

Not least,

That would be one thing to be grateful for COVID for.

It's changing our physiology.

And while we're on the planet,

It's making changes that we don't understand.

If we're not on the planet,

After all,

We're spiritual beings having a human experience,

Or as Epictetus would have put it,

It's a case of,

If I'm giving up on this particular human experience,

It's either an opportunity to have a really good long sleep,

Or it's an opportunity to spend time with old friends.

The attachment to the material body,

Because the physical atoms that make up this body,

With that materialism is a 3D concept.

And I think that one of the things certainly about,

As you guys know,

Because people wanted two Zoom classes a day starting in March 2020,

By the end of the year,

I'd done over 400.

And I had been semi-allergic to Zoom only because I'm so technically incompetent that I was afraid that halfway through,

I'd be recording somebody's concert somewhere.

So it's been a really good thing,

But also it enabled us to expand the community and then start conversations.

I mean,

You remember that right away,

It was from philosophy and science and medicine.

People didn't know the history,

They weren't interested when I talked about it,

That I'd been teaching for decades.

But to say to people,

Look,

The idea that disease is a thing,

Caused by a thing,

Fixed by a thing,

And prevented by a thing,

As opposed to a whole series of conditions,

That you change the conditions,

That started in the late 1700s.

It started in ancient Greece,

But it got hot in the late 1700s,

Very hot through the 1800s and into the early 1900s,

When for a variety of economic reasons,

The debate stopped.

Well,

It's on again.

And the beauty of the thing is,

If you start making,

That's another shift from 3D to 4D to 5D.

And that 5D medical model in the future is a complete consciousness model,

Which is more fun than you can imagine.

We haven't gotten there yet.

The nice thing about having these conversations is we can get there.

And a lot of physicians I know that I've worked with and so on,

Hadn't thought about it very much.

Because physicians are technical at this level,

They don't have to think about it very much.

Researchers give them their marching orders,

But philosophers of medicine,

That would be my group,

Is the one that gives the worldview.

Well,

Nobody was interested in us.

Philosophers of medicine,

Vandana Shiva,

The Indian activist,

She and Zach Bush and I,

We were all out of a job until COVID.

Nobody said,

What is this?

The first conversation,

Remember,

We had about COVID was somebody said,

Well,

What's COVID?

I said,

Depends on your worldview.

On one worldview,

Remember,

It's a little Godzilla coming out to get you.

On another,

It's somebody who wants a date for the weekend.

And if you'll let the person in,

They'll give you a little information on the way up,

Clean your house.

It depends on how you look at the microbiome research.

But just think what's on the other side of that is because it emphasizes communication and consciousness.

So everything starts talking to everything else.

We get our systems all communicating,

And all kinds of things are possible.

We were also talking about perceptions moving from the five physical senses in 3D through synchronicity into intuition,

Imaginative and intuitive in 5D.

I found it interesting that when COVID started,

The symptoms were basically one of affecting the lungs,

Affecting our breathing.

And right at the beginning of COVID,

We had George Floyd.

And what was the slogan of the Black Lives Matter movement at that time?

I can't breathe,

We can't breathe.

Let's just look at it from the synchronicity aspect of,

Oh,

The planet is actually saying something to us.

I don't see COVID as part of the problem.

I see it as part of the solution.

And I think that's another piece of the top down approach.

If we have this top down approach,

If you look and you know,

We've done this in the academy last few years to say,

If we reintroduce the golden proportion,

Which we had in the classical world of the Renaissance,

Okay,

You've got this world,

It's always looking for harmony.

Therefore,

On an everyday level,

We're going to be resolving issues,

Solving problems,

Learning,

Especially learning.

And so everything becomes,

In a sense,

Part of the solution.

And that's one of the movements for the learning universe that you think,

Yeah,

I'm forced to confront this thing.

And now what do I do about it?

How do I wrestle with that?

Because something is going to get clearer and clearer.

But it's also going to introduce an open question.

The beauty of openness from,

And Trevor and I are going to do this classical education thing,

And we're going to use the Platonists and Neoplatonists,

The Stoics and so on,

And the skeptics,

Because part of that crowd,

Something that happened in ancient philosophy that's not in modern is everything is open.

Everything is an open question.

Everything is an open approach and open discussion.

Because that's the way adventures and that's the way biological systems work.

They're open.

And when they open,

They adapt to practically anything.

And it can be a struggle to get there,

But it's still that openness.

Well,

The openness,

In biological systems,

One of the things is they'll start talking to each other in a consciousness universe.

So Sharon,

Is this addressing what you wanted us to address in terms of COVID and 5D?

It addressed some of it.

I think another question that I had was kind of reading cosmic awareness's view on the vaccines.

And I mean,

Honestly,

Sometimes I read cosmic awareness,

And I'm like,

I don't get this.

I don't know what they're saying.

So I thought that cosmic awareness was saying that the vaccine was actually helping to bump us up a level.

And I guess I'm not quite getting that.

Well,

I think that's part of this consciousness piece.

So the new interpreter of cosmic awareness,

Michelle,

Has been wrestling with how to express what she sees in visions,

For instance.

Because the old interpreter,

Paul,

He said the same thing.

He said,

I get into these deep trances.

People ask questions.

I get these images.

I have to figure out what to say about them.

And I think one of the things with Michelle,

Because she's much more chatty with the people who are interested,

Is how do you translate these things?

But more importantly,

This is a really good case where it's what's the biggest context.

And when you're dealing with any channeled source,

The context becomes super important.

And it always has been with cosmic rents.

That's why it's been a really impressive kind of channel since the 70s.

Because if you have the context,

You put the context there,

All kinds of things fall out that are helpful.

And in this case,

Michelle's big pitch that she's getting from cosmic awareness is we got to move to this communication,

Talking to everything,

Conscious approach.

So right at the very beginning,

She was saying,

We'll talk to it.

For instance,

I sent,

Because I know the people who run it,

I sent them the invisible rainbow and sent a question about Arthur Furstenberg's invisible rainbow.

You say,

Okay,

We've got all this toxicity,

Radiation,

Electricity,

And so on.

And people are usually not aware of it.

Those are conditions they don't pay any attention to.

That's why they will run to the disease model very quickly.

And so I mentioned,

I asked Vicki,

Who's runs that cosmic awareness comment on the invisible rainbow.

And sure enough,

Michelle did pretty much what I expected.

She said,

This book has a lot of good information in it,

But we can also talk to even dirty electricity,

Right?

And that's an interesting thing.

And remember how many times we've talked about Darwin and Wallace studying evolution.

And before they got into the Malthus's population problems and,

Oh my God,

There are too many people,

We're all going to die.

Their initial stuff,

If you look at their letters and their papers,

Exchanging,

Talking to each other,

What they say is it's amazing what the biological systems can adapt so brilliantly to practically anything,

Absolutely anything.

And that's where I think humanity is right now.

If I were,

As a philosopher of medicine,

If I were pushing something,

I would say heavy metal poisoning,

Radioactive poisoning,

Electrical poisoning,

Chemicals in the air and the water.

Electrical poisoning just jumped up with 5G.

You're now looking at the most toxic time humans have ever lived.

So you know what they're going to do?

Jump up a level.

And you see signs of it all over the place.

Like people can tolerate radiation poisoning,

Like the old women who are still living in Chernobyl.

No,

We're not leaving our homes.

Leave us alone.

Right?

And you guys know,

I had a friend who was flying over Chernobyl and it happened,

Died of cancer within three years.

Those old women are still there.

And so it's saying,

Okay,

We're going to,

And we're part of this jump up a level to say these toxins,

They don't have to be toxic.

We can start talking to them the same way you can talk to a controlling mentality.

Like when I was consulting in DC,

Talking to a controlling mentality is really very interesting.

When I wasn't being a smart ally and saying things like,

Have you guys looked at the job description for running the world late?

Yeah,

My favorite on this one is the story of how Ram Dass met his guru because he was backpacking around India,

Met this guy and Ram Dass with his Western name back then,

Of course,

Because he adopted the name Ram Dass,

But he started talking about LSD.

And the guru said,

Well,

Have you got some?

And Ram Dass took out this tin of LSD to show the guru what LSD looked like.

And the guru took the tin of LSD and just chugged it down.

And of course,

Ram Dass is standing there with his jaw open,

Waiting for the guy to keel over.

And he didn't.

At a sufficient level of consciousness and operating at a high enough frequency,

None of these toxins.

And the nice thing about it,

Just like that,

The teacher and when Richard Alpert,

Ram Dass was still Richard Alpert,

And he was working with Timothy Leary and the intelligence community and getting LSD all over the place.

And here this guy,

LSD,

I think later Ram Dass said in a talk,

There's enough stuff in there to put a whole army on a trip.

And the guy had no reaction to it at all.

But it's also this sense of a lot of the gurus in India,

Buddhists and Hindu and Jainists,

They do tend to have that idea of I'm making friends with this.

And native peoples would be,

A lot of indigenous peoples would be straightforward about it.

This is a friend.

And Rumi,

You remember Rumi,

That's his word for God,

Friend with a capital F.

And so,

This is stuff that we say,

How do we befriend this?

I don't know,

But in my universe,

Especially,

I'm not doing consulting anymore,

But if you can befriend some of those controlling people in Washington,

You can befriend a vaccine or a virus for heaven's sakes.

I mean,

They're easy compared to politicians.

You don't need to be too nasty about that,

But I couldn't resist.

Chris,

Let's turn off the recording at this stage to open it up for any extra discussion.