#596 Sydney Campos - Ascension + Quantum Leaps

Sydney Campos is a Visionary Advisor, Intuitive Healer, Author of The Empath Experience, and Host of the Visionary Souls Podcast. Simulation interviews the world’s greatest minds to uncover the nature of reality and elevate our planet’s consciousness.

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What's up everyone,

Welcome to Simulation.

I'm your host Alan Sakian.

Super pumped to be talking about Ascension and Quantum Leaps.

We have Sydney Campos joining us on the show.

Hi Sydney.

Aw,

Hi,

It's so great to be here with you,

Thank you.

Thanks for coming on the program.

Super pumped for our conversation.

Yes,

We're already in the Quantum Leap.

Yes,

Yes.

And for those that don't know Sydney's background,

She is a visionary advisor in two different ways.

She is an intuitive healer,

Author of The Empath Experience and host of the Visionary Souls podcast.

You can find her link in the bio below,

Sydneycampos.

Com.

Also her YouTube page has incredible videos and all the interviews,

Check those out and her Instagram profile.

Okay,

So Sydney,

We love starting things off by asking our guests,

Are we really all one?

Yes.

Tell us more.

Okay,

I'm like,

Yes.

Right,

I know,

What does that mean?

We talk about that all the time,

Like we're all one and we just get to be one and that's it.

And what does it mean?

What does that actually mean?

So yeah,

We're all,

I mean like really,

I'm very sensitive right now to when I notice myself speaking like someone else's language or regurgitating something else that I've believed or heard or thought for a long time,

But isn't necessarily what is most true to me in this present moment.

So I'm just going to like take a really deep breath and see what wants to be shared right now.

We are all one.

What does that mean?

Each and every living being is a reflection of the same source consciousness,

Literally reflecting itself in the energy of every other living being really with an underlying desire to better understand.

Simply that,

To better understand,

Not even to just understand oneself or understand another without any objective other than to come into deeper understanding.

Yes,

Yes.

Is that then the purpose is to come into that deeper understanding?

I think so.

One way I like to conceptualize reality,

This experience of life,

Is to look at it like a game.

And it really does feel that way.

You know,

One of my favorite ways to share my gifts and support others is through working in the Akashic Records and channeling,

Really just channeling unconditional love,

Acceptance,

And the sense of understanding that allows someone to arrive more clearly into their own answers or sometimes just better questions.

So they receive guidance on their path to get more clear on their purpose.

And something I frequently see in that space is this image of our lives on Earth being kind of dealt out in a series of different games.

And I've literally seen the image of the library of the Akashic Records,

The library of all of the experiences,

Of all the souls,

Of all of the universes,

And all of the timelines that have ever been past,

Present,

And future.

Because there's just no time,

Actually,

Right?

So it's like,

Consider this library of all that has ever happened and all that will ever happen.

And in this library,

There's a collection of all kinds of different games,

Different board games.

That's how it appeared to me once,

Actually,

When I was in a past life regression.

I saw this,

You know,

It was like all these different board games,

Like there's Candyland,

There's Monopoly,

There's the Game of Life,

There's chess,

There's like every kind of game you could imagine,

All of which have different objectives,

All of which have different kinds of players,

Different kinds of themes,

Different ways to win points,

Different ways to win,

You know,

Different strategies,

All the different varieties,

Like countless,

Infinite.

And I think that's a fun way to look at our lives and the way that we come into Earth,

Especially,

To try out different games and different ways to play,

Different rules,

You know?

And part of the game is to self-realize that you're making the whole thing up.

And so you can change the game at any time.

Okay.

All right.

So this process of diving into the reality,

The reason why it's here,

Seeing it and the layer that pierces the veil,

There's some sort of a,

Feels like different types of board games,

Systems of maybe board games.

The word that you used is play,

Right?

Play and you also used earlier this understanding,

This process of understanding,

This oneness understanding itself,

This oneness playing itself.

And there's so many of these board game archetypes that can be drawn from to,

In the play,

Unfolding.

We've talked about this quite a bit on the program that at times it feels like the game of risk has been played over the period of time of these borders shaping armies forming,

Pushing borders.

Wow.

Yeah,

That one was really deeply resonant.

And probably even more ancient than that archetype is probably Sims in the first place,

The Sims process.

And then you get risk in what now also feels like Monopoly in some ways is being played out.

Like you listed as one of the games.

Rent seeking in these metropolises feels like Monopoly in a sense.

Get out of jail free.

Get out of jail free.

It's true,

Right?

It's so funny.

It's such a hologram.

We can literally see all the games.

We can see it's playing out all of the different and simultaneously multiple different ones.

But what I find to be really exciting is this opportunity in our ascension and our awakening and our self realization that we are creating the game is to,

Wow,

Like choose what game are you here to play?

And how do you want to play it?

How do you want to show up?

And what are all the different rules of engagement that serve you,

That feel best for you to learn and to understand what it is that you're most called to explore?

Yeah,

I love that tie in that you've made now twice.

So the board game archetype stack within this one,

We draw from in understanding what we want to do.

How we want to behave in this big play that's unfolding.

And we have this free will of deciding what we want to do with these actions and behaviors and what board games we want to pull from.

And does it feel then that this these do you feel as though these are also individual essences within the one?

What do you mean?

I'm trying to understand that too.

My initial feeling is like,

Yes,

Because it's all the one and we're all different essences of the same source consciousness.

And that makes sense,

You know,

And I don't think I understand though what you mean.

Maybe we don't understand what either of us mean because we're hacking reality so deeply.

These levels of abstraction are intense.

Well,

Because it's funny,

Right?

And then that points to the original point I think of what we were bringing up is like the desire to simply understand like maybe we're on earth.

I have been really feeling this a lot lately.

I don't know about you.

It's like deconditioning from and I know we were just talking about Charles Eisenstein and something he wrote the other day that really resonated with me that he's a big proponent of is like just being like decommodifying our just beingness.

You know,

Like we're so hyper conditioned to be in production and like creating and overly identify with,

You know,

What we do and like we source so much value or condition to source our value based on what we produce and what we do instead of who we are and how we're being,

You know,

And and there's this that's a huge part of Ascension in this moment in our collective awakening is this,

Wow,

It's such a deconditioning into just pure being and being okay with being being being in love with being,

You know,

Being in joy with that like simplicity and I was just speaking with someone earlier today about this.

Like there's just such a massive deprogramming of like the way our brains are wired to be in heightened survival mode and fight or flight and you know,

Like something's out to get us and we were talking about the default.

Well,

Um,

Mode network exactly right,

Which is just wired to go into worry to past worry and to future,

You know,

Analysis and judgment and just survival mode,

You know,

Because when we actually get into a rest state,

It's like that part of us is actually,

You know,

Needs to keep doing stuff and needs work to do still,

You know,

Needs homework.

So we're in this massive invitation right now to do deep like neurological nervous system brain rewiring that allows us to,

I believe be in more of our natural state,

Which is being,

Which is peacefulness,

Which is like probably pretty ecstatic maybe,

You know,

And then we get to say,

Hey,

Now that I'm being here now and I'm fully present,

What naturally wants to arise like through me?

What's my natural creative impulse?

You know,

What is it that I'm here to share?

What is it that I'm here to really understand?

What am I most excited about exploring,

You know,

And then,

Then we can talk about purpose and your,

Your sole purpose,

Your gifts,

Your genius,

All that kind of naturally can just emerge.

Yeah.

I'm,

I'm happy that you're bringing up the economic machinery,

Sort of choking out the process of just being and that it's in a sense,

It serves its purpose with our awakening by doing that,

By doing this it's creating the pressure cooker for the evolution that that we're going through.

Okay.

So we're now,

Let's say a de commodifying so many of our ways of behaving and focusing less on necessarily this word productivity always.

So this word balance comes up a lot of balance of wanting to make art and be,

Express yourself through the means of producing,

But also of just being.

Is that,

Is that word,

Is that a resonant word or feeling for,

For you?

I think balance has been taken out of context so much.

It's like this objective,

Like even balance becomes this thing that you have to achieve and it's like a race to be the most balanced person.

You know what I mean?

Like it's like,

What does it even mean anymore?

It kind of be good for me.

It feels like it became this thing that now suddenly I have to do a lot of stuff to try to do it right and be there.

And am I there yet?

And it's like,

You know,

What program do I have to do to be balanced?

And you know,

And I don't know,

Are we ever really,

What does that mean?

So let me try to define that.

Like what is balance?

When I think about that word for me,

It means like homeostasis,

Which I very rarely ever use that word,

But that's what just came up.

And that to me means like harmony,

Like harmonious,

Like integrated homeostasis,

Like rest.

Like when something's in homeostasis,

It's just like stillness.

It's stable stability.

I resonate a lot more with stability.

Like that's what I'm about cultivating less than I feel like balance is something that is like a moving target almost like,

I don't know,

But stability.

Wow.

That's something I can feel.

Stability for me is like my energy body,

My nervous system,

My mental emotional state is like,

Oh,

I'm stable and present.

I can be fully present.

I can be fully here.

So stability then is being fully present,

Being fully here,

Cultivating that is a main focus.

Would you say that that's the most upstream issue that we face is cultivating a sense of stability?

When you put it like that,

Yeah,

It feels really clear.

I think that's it.

I mean,

And then look at our whole economic,

Political media.

I mean,

All of the structures,

All the infrastructure and all of the ideology they're in.

Doesn't it all kind of become dismantled if,

You know,

Fundamentally more individuals are operating from a deep space of stability,

Calm,

You know,

Like less of a react or no reactivity,

No like impulsivity,

No like needing anything.

Wow.

I know you said that this word balance seems like something that's a little bit used in ways that are not necessarily oriented towards the ascension process that we're actually aiming for.

It can be sometimes detached.

Why do I have to strive towards this balance?

It feels like this all is a balance all the time.

It's all perfect all the time.

Do you feel like this is perfect the way it is and the way it's evolving?

Yeah.

And sometimes it sucks and sometimes it's awkward and sometimes it's really confusing.

And all of that can happen in one minute or one second,

Like all of those experiences are happening simultaneously right now.

And even as you just said what you just shared about balance,

Like my thought around balance has changed,

You know,

And like we were just speaking about this earlier.

It's so funny how fast we're evolving,

How fast we're shifting.

You know,

Sometimes I just wonder like,

Should I even talk because like I'll say something and then five seconds later I already disagree with what I just said because something has already shifted in my consciousness to,

You know,

Where,

Oh wait,

What I just said no longer feels authentic.

You know,

And I'm just constantly kind of addressing and correcting.

And so what you said actually about balance,

What I just pictured was the scales being balanced,

Right?

And I pictured this like essence of,

Okay,

Wait a minute,

There's something powerful about that.

Like equality,

Equilibrium,

Also connected to homeostasis again.

Why did I have a resistance to just going with that though?

But there's something powerful about,

I think about energy exchange too,

Like balance,

Like it's important to balance exchanges,

To balance one's own,

Your energy,

Your output and your input,

Right?

These are some of the things that just came up as like where balance is a really helpful term actually to describe that.

And it feels like it's been now brought forth in so many different ways,

Yin and yang,

Just over time of just the sort of perfect harmonization of this reality being at play,

This reality becoming alive,

This reality unfolding.

It does,

It feels trying to put symbols on it in itself is such a big struggle,

But in a sense also that the process of putting symbols on it is a way to aim to hopefully architect the next world future where there is less suffering,

There is more flourishing,

There's more prosperity.

It's a process that I'm also just constantly trying to figure out because it is so fast that we say something and then we realize that we've evolved and that it's so fast.

Can't keep up anymore.

It's so funny.

And we were sharing,

I was just reflecting with you too how there's something shifting – I'm sure a lot of people resonate with this,

We're just on the fast track of evolution,

So many of us are right now,

Especially like as visionaries who are asking questions about okay,

What is this new earth?

How are we architecting more harmonious ways of being in the world?

What is the new story?

How are we going to be showing up when capitalism and this money-centric way of doing and overproducing in lieu of also like exhaustion and competition and comparison,

All these things,

When that no longer is a thing?

Like how do we show up?

And we're already sensing and tuning into this being very close,

You know,

But we're in this fast track of our evolution and what I notice is like a sensitivity actually to wow,

How a lot of people are not operating on that level and sometimes it can feel to them like a shock.

Like I'll share with them what I'm going through in my life and they're like,

Wait,

What?

Like you just told me like this is happening or this is happening now,

What?

And they'll be shocked.

But for me it's like,

You know,

A month is like 20 years or something at this rate.

And so I'm just noticing this kind of awkward at times communication challenge that will arise where it's like,

Oh wait,

I actually have to explain more context to people such as like my family in some cases or even friends,

You know,

Who are like not operating at that same speed and also can't maybe fathom how things could be processed that quickly.

Although we do all have the capacity to heal,

To transform,

To move through,

Yeah,

Years in months,

In weeks,

Should we so choose.

The more that I tap into this oneness,

The more that it feels perfect.

And yeah.

I'm really grateful to be able to go back and forth with people on this exact subject because the level of abstraction that we are gifted in order to formulate our consciousness to this point to be able to talk about it in itself is a beautiful gift that we were given.

And now to be stewards of that gift and to try and figure out how to properly build a next world is,

I mean you just spoke about it.

It's quite radical to talk to people about a future where the economic machinery is not gripping onto people's throats.

It's not pushing unique snowflakes,

Every person being a unique instrument that's being played in the symphony,

Into circular boxes like stamping people out like gingerbread cookies or like pawns in the chess archetype or like the soldiers in the risk board game archetype that you're listing earlier.

And so that's a radically different world that is not this one.

It's perfect talking about the evolutionary process.

I want to ask you this question.

When you look at the ways of,

When we specifically romanticize with indigeneity,

Albeit there were horrific things that also happened,

But when we romanticize with it,

We like to talk about the deep feelings of interconnectedness of immediate return hunter gatherers,

The nomadic ones that are deeply connected with each other and their environment and there's no excesses of resources,

There's no agrarian society yet,

There's deep respect for women,

There's all these types of things.

Deep music,

Art,

Story.

Does it feel as though those values have not been evolving and co-harmonizing with modernity today and that in a sense that we are in the process of remembering our species amnesia from those great feelings and trying to figure out how to move forward with some of them?

I love the way you set that up and the way that you see is really fun.

It's different from the way I see,

So I enjoyed that.

What comes up as I hear you raise that question is like immediately I was just like,

Well,

Wait a minute,

We've all been there.

We've all been there.

I'd like to just tune in with what part of you was an indigenous person living at that time,

Many lifetimes maybe.

I know that I have many experiences from different timelines living in indigenous communal society,

Being a hunter gatherer.

One thing I specifically remembered actually which feels important to share is because it connects with the economic capitalistic deconditioning we're in the midst of is one time a long time ago when I was in my Akashic Records training,

The first training I ever did to learn about Akashic Records and learning how to channel and really share and shine in my gifts as an intuitive healer and guide.

One of the exercises I was practicing in was just like I was dealing with so much scarcity in my consciousness.

I was so,

I was struggling.

I was in a job that I really wasn't happy in,

As I know so many people are right now,

Especially people that are waking up and they're like,

I'm just so unhappy,

But I don't know what to do.

I'm just,

I have to make money and I'm good at this or it's easy or it could be fine and you just kind of can settle because it's safe and it's comfortable,

You know,

But I was at this point in my journey where my spirit was just like,

I really felt like I was at my wit's end and I was so full of fear and it was all about money.

That wasn't really about money,

But that's what I thought it was at the time.

So I went into Akashic Records and I asked to be shown an aspect of me,

And anyone can do this by the way,

It's like a meditation practice.

You can just go into a meditative state and ask to be shown a version of you or a past life version of you that was an expert in the thing that you're wanting to come into greater mastery over.

So for me in this case,

It was,

Okay,

Show me an aspect of myself or another timeline in which I was a master of abundance.

And I was shown this,

You know,

It was like looking in a mirror at a version of me as a felt like a chief,

Like of a tribe.

It was a beautiful chief and like the plains,

You know,

With mountains in the background.

And I got to ask this guide,

You know,

Hey,

Like,

What's the deal?

How do I get into abundance?

I'm suffering.

I'm not happy.

How can I be free?

What's in my way?

You know,

How do I transcend this like slavery?

And you know,

It was so profound because no words are really spoken,

But there was more this feeling like I was looking into this person's eyes really into me the one,

The reflection.

And the response I received was kind of this and with a gesture of this,

You know,

Like,

Look around you.

But it was just a felt sensation and like a telepathic communication,

No words.

It was just like,

And kind of the sense of confusion,

Actually,

Like,

What are you talking about?

How could you possibly think that?

Like,

Look around you.

Look at everything that's here.

Like look at look at this world.

And that hit me so deeply.

It was like,

Wow,

Like,

Wow,

Like it just,

It showed the illusion of even buying into those kinds of stories and beliefs and like the emotions associated with them like,

Wow,

That's not even,

It doesn't even exist in this reality,

Actually,

Like,

This is the real world.

This is abundance.

Like,

Look at this infinite expanse of the earth and the land and like,

You know,

Multi dimensional access to your different aspects of self and,

You know,

So profound.

So I just shared that for some reason,

It felt like an appropriate response to what you were asking,

And maybe more of my style,

The way that I see the world.

But to your point,

Like,

Indigeneity,

You know,

Like,

Wow.

There's so much wisdom there when we were living with the land,

We're living in nature,

And it's so healing.

You just go,

Listen,

Honestly,

Sometimes,

And I see this in myself so much,

It's like,

So many of the issues and problems and struggles and these like existential crises,

And like,

And envisioning the new earth and how we're going to build it and,

You know,

The timeline.

It's like,

Okay,

If you actually just go into nature for like a day,

And get off of a screen,

Get off of your phone,

Yes.

And actually allow your body to do its natural process of healing,

Allowing your nervous system to just rest,

Which happens if you just step outside of the city.

Yes.

You see clearly,

You know,

And you can't help but feel connected.

You can't help but feel,

You know,

Activated in your senses and your intuition can't help but hear your inner voice become amplified.

And I think that goes for all humans,

You know,

Like all of us are such powerful healing.

And so imagine when we were just living like that.

Imagine we're just living like that with no obstruction,

You know,

Just with the land,

We can't help but be in harmony.

So yes,

I think we're remembering that.

I really loved your response there.

Okay.

So I've always been so fascinated with how I want to loop this all the way back to what you're initially saying,

But I'll get there,

That we're now starting to use this,

These words of like nature therapy,

People going on to decrease cortisol levels.

Now we're scientifically proving it.

Well,

We can also aim to understand the opposite as well,

Trying to map biometric states of people outside of metropolises or inside.

And when you do look at the economic machinery's grips on people's nervous systems when they're inside of the machinery,

It's quite difficult to feel these feelings of abundance and that prosperity and these,

It's interconnectedness,

Love.

It,

And like you said,

When you go out and you go through that process of more clearing your channel and enabling that process of oneness within a more natural setting,

It,

It's so wise.

It's so wise.

And metropolises in many ways are not.

Okay.

And then leading even further back in that,

I really appreciate your take on it,

Which is that we haven't,

We probably haven't talked about this enough on the show to where it's probably so easy for us to just kind of like move through it without taking a little bit of time to also explain it and talk about it.

So what does it,

What does it actually mean to be tapped into past lives and like things like the Akashics,

Right?

When you're talking about things like a place where everything that has ever been and that could ever be is located.

And when you're talking about things like you actually were here during indigenous times and you know,

How,

How do people especially like how much the scientific method has gripped also our understandings,

How,

How,

How do you,

But while there's also things like the Dalai Lama and Pancha Lama trying to constantly go through a process of discovering where is the next young one?

Where are they?

Where's the next one that's been re-birthed?

And so there's like that versus,

You know,

So right.

So just walk us through this,

This process of how you even you yourself commune with that truth and how you go back and identify these past selves,

Etc.

So much there.

I feel like we're decoding the matrix.

Here we are.

Hmm.

Can you imagine that we're all like so powerful,

You know,

To exist beyond time and to exist beyond any linear confines of even space or even a body,

Which is another way I would answer like we are all one,

You know?

So I love the Akashic records as a modality to tune into that state of being on a regular basis because that to me feels much more real.

Let's say those one more time were so powerful that we're beyond.

Can you imagine that we are all so powerful that we actually exist beyond the confines of time and space and even beyond a body,

Beyond any like linear physical confines,

You know,

So much of our reality machinery,

As you say,

Is like really predicated on this collective agreement,

You know,

Collective asleep-ness,

You know,

That says X,

Y,

Z,

You know,

Confined limited potential,

A lot of control and a lot of fear therein.

And for me,

What feels more true is,

Well,

Actually,

We're all,

You know,

Completely infinite in our capacity to access any information at any time.

We have access to all that,

All that ever is,

All that ever was,

All that ever will be.

And,

You know,

Another way to think of the Akashic records is the known field.

Just a simple understanding and knowing that,

You know,

We're energy beings.

We're actually not like a personality,

Not an ego,

Not even this body,

You know,

I'm energy and I have a unique energetic signature like a snowflake,

You know,

I have a really unique signature,

But I'm energy,

I'm immortal,

I'm not matter,

I'm just energy,

You know.

And so I get excited about like making this life about like really exploring,

You know,

Our individual energetic signature and starting to interact also more,

You know,

Explicitly,

More intentionally with our lives,

With each other,

With the world as like this energetic experience of,

Okay,

Wait,

We're in this known field.

Something shifts when you and I meet,

Right?

And there's just this subtle energetic communication that's frankly far more effective,

Far more instantaneous than anything you or I are even saying because our energetic body,

Emotional body is processing so much faster and it's processing so much more,

You know,

Like there's so much communication happening.

So I love to just make that explicit like,

Okay,

Yeah,

You have an energy field,

I have an energy field,

When we come together,

We create this new kind of a field and we tend to be,

You know,

Right now we're in resonance,

So we're kind of like reviving or sharing or flowing.

And then there's even this bigger thing called the known field,

Which is like the collective field,

Right,

Of like every,

I mean,

All living beings,

Some would even say like all of the entities that exist in all of the multiverses and even beyond anything that I'm consciously aware of in this moment,

You know,

And like,

Wait a minute,

If you and I are connected energetically in this field,

We could imagine expanding out to connect with,

You know,

The consciousness of the city,

The country,

Even beyond Earth,

And in an instant,

We're suddenly connected to the Akashic field or the known field of everything,

You know,

And it's just a simple practice to like expand your awareness and just it's another game,

It's like a new way to play,

You know,

Like,

Well,

Wait a minute,

If I have access to any answer,

Any reflection,

Any support,

You know,

With maybe this whole team of guides,

Different supporting energies,

Whatever you believe in,

You know,

But I'm showing again and again that we have we each have this like stadium full of supporting spirits and different aspects of ourselves that are just there ready,

Like waiting to give us guidance,

In fact,

Really want to give us guidance,

If only we would listen and ask for it.

Yeah,

Beyond space,

Time,

And the body.

If we believe that that is where the power is at,

Then doing things like going beyond our body into this field of another,

Which empathy really is something that's that is in a sense it's beyond your body,

When you're cap when you're able to feel what another person is feeling,

Then going beyond that to the feelings of the city,

The feelings of the planet,

The feelings of all that is that if you can go there,

If you can go into what have been past lives,

If you can go into what is then it does it not then also say that you then feel the future all of the possible future states that the trajectory can go into.

Yeah,

Because I mean,

If there's no time to what extent has,

You know,

All of the all of the future potentials.

This might sound really funny to say,

But it's just what it feels,

Feels to be true.

It's like,

To what extent like,

If we can think about something like even as a future conjecture possibility,

Like doesn't that kind of mean it's already happened on some like,

On some level,

Because how would I be tuning in with that idea?

If it hasn't on some level already occurred,

You know,

In some other reality or some other.

I mean,

More and more.

I love that show.

Also the OA.

I feel like have you seen that show?

Again,

What is it again?

It's a it's this brilliant show that I've literally have never seen something like so accurately depict,

You know,

Multi dimensional consciousness and like parallel universes,

Parallel realities,

Parallel timelines.

And it's just genius.

It's so good.

They're frequently going between.

That's Rick and Morty does a little bit of that as well,

Jumping between the multiverse or however people want to describe it.

I haven't seen that one.

It's an animated one.

I just I love I love all of these,

You know,

Resources that we have available right now that are so encoded with Ascension.

They're so they're just showing they're giving us so much permission to explore these,

You know,

New avenues through which we can better perceive and understand ourselves and really come into more of our power.

I mean,

That's all this about this is about.

I feel like in Ascension,

It's like,

Where am I able to really source more of my power,

More of my innate,

You know,

My creatorship?

You know,

Like it's like awakening to what it is that you're really here to create,

What you're really capable of creating beyond any perceived confines or limitations,

You know,

Especially when it comes to the future.

Like,

OK,

What I find to be really exciting and also challenging when thinking about and tuning in with when allowing the vision of the future,

The more beautiful world we know is possible,

The more the story that we want to live into the new agreements and new rules of engagement from harmonious world.

It's like,

Wow,

That's when you see all the conditioning come up around like,

Wow,

Where have I been operating in a box?

Where have I been holding judgment against how I think people are going to show up?

You know,

There's like,

Wow.

And that's in that process of being in truly open inquiry about really new ways of being together on Earth.

It's like,

There's a lot of emotion.

I find there's a lot of emotional,

A lot of behavioral healing,

Actually,

And conditioning that deconditioning that is required to actually be able to see clearly how we might play together in new ways.

Whoa.

OK,

So I still have so many questions about being able to go back.

I feel like I never answered about past lives.

Yeah,

Let's let's do that.

I feel like I keep implying that,

But I'm actually not.

Why am I not answering the question?

Let's do that and then I'll remember where I want to go.

Let's do that.

So again,

To this point of there being no time.

I may also just say that because we,

By doing this,

By explaining this,

By maybe catalyzing other people to try themselves to also dive back like that,

It does,

It just feels like we have the power of,

You know,

We have a time machine.

We have this ability to kind of go back and just to dive in and feel what was there,

Feel what was there,

Feel what was there.

And if we can do that,

We can really start drawing on some of the things that our consciousness may have had,

You know,

Really strong ideas and wisdom with that is maybe not present.

Yeah,

That's why.

Or is wanting to be remembered is always present because it's all always here.

But are we not,

What are we not paying attention to?

What are we not listening to?

What are we not willing to receive,

You know?

And so again,

It's just,

I guess through one lens,

I can see how a lot of people would just write it off,

Like past lives,

Whatever.

Like I have one of,

I believe in science and science is incredible.

I'm so grateful for science.

Wow.

Like thank you for allowing me to understand more about my like neurochemistry and like biomechanics,

Like how to operate within a body.

I'm here on earth to live in a body and like take care of my body and feel great and learn about my energy and become masterful and like being fully present,

You know?

And so science is great.

Giving us this podcast.

Yeah.

And we love it and we love it so much.

And there's also so much,

Maybe more that like,

You know,

For me especially,

Like we'll never fit into the lens of something measurable,

Something,

You know,

Like quantifiable,

It's like the infiniteness,

The infinite like oneness.

How do we measure that?

Like,

I don't,

Like for me,

That doesn't quite compete within the lens of like rationality,

Science,

You know,

Just trying to measure and quantify and put things in boxes,

Categorize,

There's like,

There's infinite,

There's such an infinite supply,

Infinite abundance of all of this other wisdom that frankly has,

You know,

You mentioned the Dalai Lama and like,

I think you implied some other very ancient traditions.

Yeah.

By the way,

Like a lot of the history that most people are operating,

You know,

From the context in which we learn about history is also very confined.

There's actually like so much more history on earth that is not taught in any schools,

It's not really taught.

If you think about what we've archaeologically discovered,

It's probably less than a percent of the total.

Right.

And even beyond that,

Like again,

So another fun resource for going into the Akashic Records and just being open,

Listen,

This whole conversation about past lives is an invitation,

Especially for those who are more scientifically minded and really like,

But wait,

I like the numbers and I like the research and I like the facts and I,

You know,

Could you imagine like,

Could you be open?

Would you be willing to be open to a new experience of your own power,

Of your own perception,

Of your own sensitivity,

Of your own heart?

Really,

Like of your own feelings,

Maybe surprising yourself with what might be in there with might be what might be available when you start to just,

Just open a little bit.

And even just,

You know,

I was interviewing someone earlier today,

His name's Dawson Church,

He wrote Mind Over Matter,

And he's a PhD researcher and talks all about the neurochemistry of the brain meditation,

But,

And it's very like no spirituality.

It's just like very practical.

It's like very accessible,

Practical technique to get into a bliss state.

You know,

Nothing spiritual about that.

And I really appreciate,

I really appreciate that.

I appreciate that right now and all the people that really embody being bridges,

Right,

Being bridges because we,

We require a lot of bridges right now.

But I would just encourage like,

Just for fun,

In the spirit of practicality,

Imagining how practical it is to just,

You know,

Play in this new reality in which you have a whole stadium full of like,

The top advisors,

Just like you have a board of advisors for your company for your,

You know,

Your investors,

Etc.

It's like,

Imagine each and every one of us has a whole board of advisors,

Existing in all sorts of different,

You know,

Different planes,

Dimensions,

They've lived all these great life experiences.

It's like your whole team of mentors for all of the very precise areas of mastery and expertise that you would,

You know,

Require on your path.

This is another way to think of your past lives.

This is another way of actually starting to look to yourself as your own guide,

Which I'm really excited about as we see the like guru dynamic totally fall apart in our society.

It's like,

How do you get to be your own guide?

How do you start to trust yourself?

How do you start to go to yourself for your own wisdom for your own knowing,

Trusting again that you have so much power,

You have so much wisdom,

And whether or not you believe that you've lived in other lifetimes,

Or you've incarnated in other experiences,

It's like,

Just try it on and see how it feels like maybe you think about it as,

You know,

Oh,

You have different personalities,

You have different identities that you play with now,

Like,

Think about how you show up in different environments and communities,

Is there all sorts of different,

You know,

Identities,

And then have fun with personifying those more explicitly and starting to actually interplay in your own inner dialogue or meditation,

Just like I demonstrated earlier,

Like,

Just for fun.

I mean,

Dawson reminded me today that,

You know,

Napoleon Hill,

Who wrote Think and Grow Rich talks about the same thing in his book from like the 1930s,

You know,

Imagining that as like one of the most foremost,

You know,

Books on prolific books on,

You know,

Actually a lot about capitalism,

Right,

And really being an entrepreneur and being really being successful.

And he talks about having your imaginary counsel,

Your board of advisors,

You know,

Imagining yourself surrounded by,

You know,

All the people that you look up to most.

And I love that too,

But I also like to include,

You know,

Why not look up to yourself and like your future self could be in there.

Yeah.

Or,

You know,

The version of you that at some level at some time,

Past,

Present or future has been an expert in abundance,

In intimacy,

In channeling,

In whatever you want,

You know,

And that's how we actually start to create the new rules for how we play in the game of our lives.

Your own personal experiences with ego loss or ego death or interconnectedness or unconditional love,

What have those been?

Hmm.

It's a continual ongoing process with no end.

Yeah.

And I'll share what's absolutely just most present for me right now.

Hmm.

I'm in a process right now,

You know,

In this,

And I'm always in process,

I guess.

We're always evolving,

Always in process,

But right now particularly feels like a tender moment in which it has been revealed to me through a very intimate business partnership,

Actually,

That's felt very much to be like,

As a deeply intimate,

Almost like a romantic dynamic without the romance,

But it's like brought up so much unconsciousness as all great relationships are designed to do.

And stretching my capacity to be with the parts of me that feel really ashamed and humiliated even,

You know,

By how I've actually held myself to such an impossible standard of perfection and how I've been very judgmental and critical and frankly really mean to myself for a very long time.

This is not a new pattern,

This is not a new awareness.

What was surprising and what did feel new and really revealing was like just having a deeper layer of this experience really illuminated by this particular person's energy just in their presence.

In their presence,

Something happens where,

And I'm really still in this process of like,

I'm not sure what's going to happen because part of me is like,

I just want to leave.

I just want to be done.

This is so uncomfortable.

This is so painful.

That's the ego,

Right?

Getting,

That's the ego death.

It's like,

I'm going to die.

So part of me is like,

I don't want to die.

Things are okay as long as I'm not feeling that stuff.

You can just keep going over here and kind of compartmentalize.

So that's an aspect,

Right?

But then the true self,

My heart is like,

No,

It's time to let that part die.

It's time to let that story die.

It's time to let that behavior die.

Wow,

That thing that I was actually really hiding from everyone,

That way that I'm so,

I can be really mean to myself and have a lot of talk about unconditional love.

There's a lot of ways in which my self love is very conditional and very dependent on how I produce and how I perform and what I do and how I'm seen and what my image is.

And like,

Again,

Nothing new there,

But it's been painful to see how even with all the healing and transformation I've undergone and continue to commit myself to,

There's just a deeper layer.

There's a deeper layer of like,

Whoa,

Like I've been found out like this person sees how I've been operating,

Like in the shadows where no one else would ever know or see this person can see.

And that is revealing and really for me feels very humiliating.

And then I don't even want to be around that person because it just feels like everything I know,

All the ways I would coach someone or do healing work with someone to help them out of that.

I like so humbled.

I'm like,

I don't know what to do.

I can't give myself my own advice because I just like kind of lock up.

I was trying to communicate with this person yesterday and this is someone I love.

It's funny I say it like this person because I have so much,

I have a lot of resistance in my system right now,

You know,

Regarding this relationship.

But the truth is there's love there.

The truth is we've been brought together to do some very powerful work.

And the truth is I can't really get away with like running away from this and just trying to compartmentalize.

That doesn't work.

So to answer your question,

I'm like really feeling deeply humbled in this moment by how much I've known and have learned and taught and still like,

Wow,

I don't actually,

I'm in a real unknown right now.

It's like,

I'm not sure what's going to happen.

I'm not sure how I'm going to show up.

I know how to take care of myself right now and how to like be soft and be present.

But there's,

It feels really massive.

I feel like I've uncovered like Mount Everest blind spot of unconsciousness.

Damn.

It really feels like that.

And I'm like,

Okay,

Shit,

Like I have to climb up this mountain because it feels like it's on the other side is a major breakthrough,

Major freedom,

Major,

Major newness,

You know.

But it's scary.

It reminds me also of the ignorance that is just attached like a Mount Everest to our ankle and that we're trying to learn and chip away at the boulder.

And what is laid out from the moment that we're born and even before that with the ancestral lineage that's laid out in these formative neural architectures and that then is constantly brought up at later moments in our lives.

If we do not in a sense become aware,

Radically aware and symbiotic with it,

It can come up like volcanoes in our lives.

And I'm glad you point that out.

Another thing that I think would be helpful here is that if you can kind of give us a breakdown of how you empathize,

Because the better that we can get behind someone's perspective,

The more we can also feel oneness.

And so,

Yeah,

Give us that breakdown.

Yeah.

Well,

I think what you're pointing out,

Too,

Is like the distinction between empathy and being empathetic or empathic.

Actually,

I should know this empathetic versus empathic,

Right?

There's a distinction.

So being empathetic or feeling empathy would mean like,

Oh,

You're sad.

Okay,

Yeah,

I can understand how you feel sad.

And that makes sense.

And it's kind of a more intellectual experience,

Actually,

Like,

Oh,

Yeah,

I'm sorry,

But then you can leave and kind of feel like,

Okay,

That hope they're going to be okay,

I'll go on to my life.

And you're,

You know,

Maybe not still feeling sad,

Or still feeling like someone else's,

You know,

Sad experience actually happened to you.

So that's the distinction between being empathetic and then being an empath,

Which is maybe just a more heightened attunement to the experience of empathy,

Being an empath and what I really have experienced my whole life,

A lot of my life,

I didn't understand this is what was happening.

But,

You know,

Being an empath means you actually can feel and this is expressed different ways and by different people,

By everybody actually has a different expression of this,

But it's like,

I can actually feel how you are feeling and how energy is moving in your body and emotional experiences.

And sometimes even,

You know,

Then we get into the psychic terrain of like thoughts and memories and our body sensations.

And that's something I believe we all have the capacity to attune more finely to is this like very heightened,

Empathic experience where we can not only intellectually understand why someone feels and understands things the way that they do,

But we can actually really feel it as though it's our own experience as the one,

You know,

And there's a mastery and a practice in discerning,

You know,

Your experience from that of another's,

But then being able to consciously choose when to attune with someone else at that level,

You know,

Usually for the aim of healing.

That's usually why,

You know,

It's always available to us is like to support healing and growth and deeper understanding.

Being tapped in,

Tuned in to the one on a moment to moment level is being empathic.

Interesting.

I wouldn't think of it like that,

But I guess that works.

I like that.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Let's talk about how the more that someone has done this process of self-work,

The more that they can achieve their life purpose.

And what has been both your experience with your own self-work and achieving your life purpose and also with helping other people,

What are the most common roadblocks that people are going through with trying to anchor their divine mission into their life?

It's great that you're asking me this because I,

Again,

With everything I've lived,

You know,

Like I'm also in this inquiry myself and another deeper layer is being revealed of like divine mission,

Like getting really specific and really clear on what feels best for me instead of in the past,

What has felt like a service servitude or an obligation or something that is expected from others.

So those are main roadblocks.

I would say,

You know,

That most people face and especially visionaries and people really call,

I think everybody,

You know,

But like people that are at the forefront of kind of this visionary,

Holding this visionary energy of like,

I'm here to build a better world.

I'm here to like build it.

And I know that I have an important mission on this planet to be of service in a massive way,

You know,

And what are the things that usually get in the way of that being realized?

And there it's like,

Nothing's in the way,

But what are a lot of the,

What are the typical lessons that emerge on that path really as a way to help you reorient to your clear focus?

So I would actually rephrase that.

Cause there's no blocks,

There's no blocks.

There's just,

There's,

You know,

There's moments on the path that are there to help you refocus and realign usually through the experience of contrast,

But nothing's in your way.

Like nothing's,

Nothing's in the way.

Nothing's blocking you.

How long you decide to stay in one of these moments is up to you.

And you know,

That might last a long time,

Depending on how willing you are to let go of an old story or your old,

You know,

Fear,

Whatever it is for you.

And the main moments or challenges that arise are,

Yeah,

Like people pleasing,

Doing the thing that you know,

That will make everybody that you think at some level,

Make everybody happy,

The thing that people are expecting of you,

The thing that you're just good at,

Just settling,

Right?

Cause you're,

A lot of us are like really good at a lot of things and we could just go do that.

Especially,

Oh,

I see all these other people doing that thing,

Right?

So giving your power away to what you see other people doing successfully and maybe overly identifying with people that you maybe put on a pedestal and wanting to be them and misplacing yourself and their identity and their purpose,

Being disconnected from yourself.

You know,

Getting,

Chasing,

You know,

Money or again,

Attention,

Validation,

It's kind of the same thing.

Just chasing attention,

Chasing energy,

You know,

Instead of operating from this really cool,

All of these,

These challenges can be met with a recommitment and really a resilience,

But a recommitment to returning to one center and getting real.

That sounds silly as I said that this is like this evolution that I'm in.

I'm like,

That's on silly.

What do I really mean?

All these challenges can be met with,

It's actually like a discipline.

Like that's what comes up.

It's like the path of living your purpose demands discipline.

It's not like this,

Like,

Yeah,

I'm going to live my purpose and just meditate and check.

It's like,

No,

It requires discipline and mastery.

And I wish someone had told me this a long time ago,

You know,

Like discipline,

Like to be attuning yourself,

To being grounded,

To being stable,

To being present,

To listening,

To having your energy and your power contained in your sense of center,

You know,

So that you hear your guidance,

You feel your guidance,

You know what is right for you.

You know,

You're meant to show up.

It actually strikes me as funny that this is something we would even explain or reason our way into or out of because it's so natural.

Like we're each born as this unique snowflake,

As this unique transmission of a being through this human body here to share something powerful and a very unique expression.

Each and every one of us,

There's no competition.

There's no compare.

Why would you ever compare yourself to anybody else?

Right?

This is something I say to myself frequently,

But it's like,

Really tune into that.

There's no comparison when you're actually focused on not even doing what you think you should do or your purpose.

There's no thinking.

It's like,

Are you allowing yourself to follow the creative impulse that naturally flows through you?

That's naturally guiding you to be of service.

It's naturally guiding you to help.

It's naturally guiding you to contribute to this whole bigger puzzle,

You know,

That we're all a part of that when we actually listen to our own individual impulse,

It's like somehow we work really harmoniously,

Just like nature.

Somehow there's a job for everyone.

Somehow there's a unique place in which every single person belongs.

But the issue that,

You know,

We're evolving out of,

I hope soon and that I really like,

Whoa,

Okay,

I have a lot of compassion.

It's like one of the issues is like too many cooks in the kitchen,

Like too many people trying to do the same thing and no one doing their thing,

Their unique thing well.

So discipline,

Right,

And cultivating mastery over like what it is that you love most,

What it is that turns you on most about life,

What it is that it's like every single person comes to you with the same question.

You know,

Like these things are obvious.

Your purpose is so obvious.

It's right there.

Like everyone around you can usually name it and see it before you can.

But the issue again is,

You know,

Those of us who feel like we're not in alignment yet,

It's like we're still looking out here for someone else to give us the answer for someone else to like give us the permission to do the thing that we actually already know when we follow our impulse is like,

Oh,

It's so simple.

It's so easy.

We like can get out of what's that thing I love,

Like,

Get out of the way of being who you truly are like,

Just get out of the way of being who you already are,

You know,

But simply put,

Discipline,

Grounding,

And centering practice,

Cultivating observation of oneself,

Making your unconsciousness conscious,

You know,

Being willing to look at that stuff as it comes up,

Because it can be really scary and really confronting and humiliating and and all the stuff.

But are you willing to let those false aspects of yourself go?

So that more of who you already are,

Who you really are can simply arise.

Your focus on discipline on the North Star,

The discipline of this,

What's in the unique DNA of the seed or of the snowflake or the instrument as part of the symphony that's being played?

Yeah,

That is that is a top principle.

That's a top principle,

If not maybe even the top principle.

Well,

You know,

The thing is,

So Odyssey is something that came through actually at the end of last year,

And it's something I brought through and then have now built with a team and with a partner,

You know,

The business partner,

I mentioned this beautiful reflection challenging my soul growth.

And Odyssey is this invitation for leaders,

New earth architects,

People that are like really called,

Who are already in some way building the new earth,

Right,

Who are already like running companies and,

And being of service and have done a lot of personal work have come into great mastery over their energy,

Like they're living their purpose.

Right.

And they're kind of like,

Okay,

Now what,

Like,

I've done a lot of the things,

What's next?

And what I feel is what's like,

What is next is,

Okay,

Let's get all of those masters and visionaries in a room together.

And let's actually get more clear on like,

What is my unique key?

What's your unique key?

Because we've all been doing like 20 different things that we're really good at,

Because we're brilliant.

We're really brilliant beings.

And we've been doing a lot of work.

But what's like my actual unique key that I have for this heaven on earth,

More beautiful world puzzle,

Like what's the unique one thing,

A specific mastery that I bring,

When I know that you're showing up in your mastery,

Bringing your key,

And I no longer have to do that job,

You know,

What wants to arise through me.

And so that's like a curiosity that I'm in right now is like,

How do we create more spaces like that?

And that's,

You know,

Part of what Odyssey is answering is like,

Creating space for us to gather and get more clear,

Because it's only in your reflection that I can see myself as the one.

It's only in your reflection that I can see myself,

I can't actually see myself.

I can't.

I need you to see myself.

And so it's only in your reflection that I can get clear on,

Okay,

What is my purpose?

I've been living my purpose.

I've been serving my mission.

But I require greater clarity.

Like I want to know,

Like,

What is my key?

What's like my unique mission?

I want to get specific.

You know,

That's what we require.

And building this new earth,

We require great specificity,

Excellence,

And to excavate this requires discipline,

Right to come into that mastery and kind of that,

Again,

Like beginner's mind actually is like great mastery,

Right?

Like,

Are you willing to let go of everything you thought you knew,

Everything you've learned,

Everything you've been conditioned to how you've been conditioned to operate to actually say,

Well,

Wait a minute.

Okay,

What is the thing that I really like I'm open right now?

What is it that I'm really here to serve?

You know,

What is it that I'm really here to contribute and what feels best.

And and that's what I really believe is a guiding principle for this new earth is like leading with what feels good as our bodies become more highly attuned instruments to truth,

To,

You know,

Abundance,

To connection to the infinite,

You know,

Kind of connection within us all to humanity,

To this being a big family.

You know,

What feels right,

What feels good,

Not what looks good,

Not what we think would make sense,

Because that's when we're operating in a confined limited frame,

Instead of like,

You know,

How infinite possibility something totally new,

You know,

Big ideas.

That's the space that I feel we're called to play in more and more.

It's like leading with feeling leading more with our intuitive sensibility leading more with our multi dimensionality,

You know,

Love the keys.

The different players of different instruments,

The puzzle pieces,

The DNA that's in every one of the seeds that's flowering big trees filled with fruits that as the as the next world comes in,

That the economic machinery decreases its grip and gets augmented to where the play and the love,

The being,

The music,

The art,

The expression,

And even the science are just all more prosperous.

And what I feel called to create like,

This is my prayer for Odyssey and like the other communities that will be birthed from Odyssey because it's really an incubator of community and like other organizations that will be birthed from the space of leading with,

You know,

Coherence and collaboration and like,

Real embodied leadership,

You know,

And what I really crave is just more space for,

You know,

Where permission is granted for people to be there to like to be who they really are,

And to be expressed in their,

Their gifts to feel safe,

You know,

To be a CEO to be an impact investor to be like a,

You know,

Like showing up in a very third dimensional reality,

But then to come into a space with fellow leaders and to feel really safe to say,

Yeah,

Like,

I see energy and I work with energy medicine and I channel ETs and I or whatever it is,

Anything,

All of the infinite unique expressions of our intuition are welcome.

Do you ever feel like the side of spirituality occasionally wanders into snake oil,

And then science aims to help it not wander into snake oil?

I like that question.

And then part of me is like,

What is snake oil?

But I understand it's like the larger it's like the context of that story where someone was like misled and it's like the whole,

Yeah,

There's a lot of like ridiculousness and like people have profited of,

You know,

What do we call it?

Spiritual materialism,

Illusionary spirituality,

Like,

There's huge industries that have been created,

You know,

The psychic,

Like fake psychics on every corner in LA and like,

Or who knows real or fake,

You don't really know anymore because there's just an oversaturation.

Same thing is true for coaches,

You know,

Like the coaching industry,

We were just watching that video of like,

You know,

Making fun of all the different kinds of coaches that there are and like everyone's a coach and it's just over,

Like,

How are we operating when it's like the things that were once,

And Charles again talks a lot about this,

Like,

You know,

The like commodification of all that is sacred,

You know?

And then we are just like confused,

Like what's real?

But you know what's real by,

Guess what,

If you're in your mastery and discipline of like being connected to yourself,

You know what's real.

There's nothing to protect from,

There's no snake oil,

There's no,

Or maybe you go choose to have that experience because you're just curious about what it's like to be in the contrast of an illusion or someone profiting off of,

You know,

A false persona.

And I don't know if there's a right or wrong because even the people that I've experienced who are totally,

You know,

At some level is not everybody doing the best they can,

Even if they are like they do have an agenda to sell snake oil or rip people off or,

You know,

They're profiting off of this false identity,

False marketing,

Like,

But maybe they're serving a purpose in the greater scheme of things is that person that we would think is a swindler not serving some purpose at some level for someone to have some kind of a meaningful healing experience,

Otherwise it wouldn't be happening.

And similarly can be said about how science may wander itself into nuclear bombs and then spirituality can be like,

What the fuck are you doing?

Well here we are at the balance again,

The balance of the scales.

And I'm excited about this moment we're in right now where more and more there's just bridging happening.

There's no black and white,

There's no science and spirituality.

You know,

I mean,

As I say that I just kind of laugh like,

Wait a minute,

Like science is inherently very spirit.

Like it reminds me of the interview earlier today where the guy's like,

It's very practical.

I feel like he was talking to me in a coded message.

So many of these scientists are actually like total mystics,

You know,

And they're like,

But I have this methodology for the meditation.

It's just very practical.

It's based in neuroscience.

It's just mechanical.

But his energy is saying like,

And I'm going to wake all of you up.

But he would never say that.

Or it's like one of my teachers that I studied with,

Mark Wolin,

Who teaches all about family constellations and inherited family trauma and like doing really deep,

It's like very shamanic healing work.

Like having full body sensations of like,

I would imagine as though you were at an ayahuasca ceremony without any medicine,

Just doing,

You know,

Embodied trauma therapy and having like deep somatic healing experiences.

This guy,

He would never say,

I wanted to interview him about being an empath because he's a super empath,

Super psychic empath and total shaman.

But he would never call himself those things.

And he's like,

No,

You will not interview me about being an empath because I do not use that language because he doesn't want to isolate all of the people that are in this kind of scientific,

Self-proclaimed kind of scientific camp who maybe feel,

And this is a deep conditioning,

Right,

That there's an aversion,

Just even our language,

Some of our language can be encoded as like an aversion,

Can be encoded with like mistrust,

As snake oil,

As lacking credibility,

As really like just having its power totally diminished.

And so that's something I'm in inquiry and explanation,

You know,

Exploration about like,

Okay,

Wait a minute,

To what extent is some of my language turning people off who otherwise maybe I could be supporting or I could be connecting with,

You know,

But as long as we're responsible for our truth and speaking from the truth,

And even if it's awkward and we correct ourselves,

Because what I just said doesn't make sense anymore.

As long as we're speaking from the truth,

There's not so much of that management that needs to happen.

There's not so much,

There's no perception management,

There's no,

There's not a lot of thought needed actually,

You know,

So that's just something I want to really anchor in in myself because that's something I'm working on right now and it feels,

You know,

Speaks to the like obligation servitude dynamic of like really wanting to help,

Like wanting to awaken,

Wanting to serve.

But then that desire,

Which is a really beautiful intention can sometimes get,

You know,

Colored with,

Yeah,

Just being distracted from the point and not really,

Yeah.

I had the experience just now as I was speaking that what I was saying stopped being relevant and stopped feeling authentic.

And so my thought just completed.

Yeah,

That happens to me a lot as well.

It's awkward,

Right?

But it's just so important to name it.

It's like,

I was just playing out some old,

Well,

Sometimes our mind,

Like,

I think that was an experience of the mind trying to catch up with like a much faster processing that's happening energetically.

And so I caught myself like latching onto some old story and trying to like,

Give it one last hurrah.

It's like,

No,

That's complete.

Yeah.

Whoa.

Earlier when you described how we talk about how everything is one and then we kind of showcase some sort of a,

Within this one,

There is some sort of a classic example of a dualism of like good and evil or how are the yin and yang,

However this balance that gets struck in the process of the one evolving over time.

And that it's constantly in perfect flux as it evolves.

To me,

It is in perfect flux,

A science and spirit way of viewing it or a good and evil way of viewing it in whatever way.

Yet it feels as though that if they understand one another better,

I want to work on the understanding one another better side,

But misunderstanding one another will catch up at approximately the same pace as understanding them better.

And so that's why it's perfect because it happens that way.

And I think actually probably one of the most perfect ways of viewing it is just take like any social media platform because a social media platform is like the perfect balance of good and evil.

It has all of the incredible qualities of being able to communicate profound wisdom across the planet at lightning speeds,

But it also has the problem of the business plans of the attention economics and advertising models,

The cancerous comparison mentalities that affect our suicide rates and our mental health and wellbeing.

So those are kind of really interesting ways to look at that.

So it's like almost as though as some sort of a bit of we like solve something and we make something upgrade it towards good that we say.

There is also something that comes up that is evil.

It's almost like this twin nuclei problem,

I believe around 1953 or so where it was just that the cracking into the atom gives us both the power to do incredible things like understand what's actually going on at a level of a particle in the universe,

Yet it also makes the nuclear bomb possible.

Same with the cell that you can understand like the how what DNA plays,

The way that DNA plays out in a cell and in our lives,

Yet it also gives you the potential to create absolute catastrophic engineering of malevolences in biology.

So you kind of get this good and evil balance in all these different categories within the reality that I'm aiming to try and steward the good ones,

Albeit there are it's almost as though there's always going to be.

It may be such a perfect creation,

This reality that there will always be a harmonization,

A flux of those as it goes on.

How do you feel about that?

You just took me on a journey my friend.

I'm like whoa!

How do I feel about that?

Wow.

Well the question,

More questions right?

So like to what extent is good or bad or good or evil,

It's like I feel like judgments and projections and I don't think those are absolute truths.

So that's one curiosity.

To what extent is that like because to you something that you think is good I might not think is good,

I might think that's bad and then there's just that whole game implicit in that.

Also reminds me of the law,

There's like energy dynamics right?

Like energy is neither created nor destroyed and so if we're,

Well that arose I don't know why and then also like the again the scales and balance energy exchange like taking something means you know eventually you must give it back,

You must repay.

Huh,

I'm just really tuning in more with that.

For every,

What I also heard you say is with every you know possible,

You know what I really think about actually is just the dynamic of light and dark right?

So that's something we can all agree on is like in duality we have this you know sense of light,

Maybe that's more of the way that I resonate with understanding the good and evil,

Good or bad or whatever.

It's like light and dark and light we might think of as you know our true self,

Our gifts,

Our purpose,

Our you know.

Can I tell you why light and dark I stopped saying as much because of the whole skin color thing.

I thought that we had some conversations on the program where it started driving me nuts how darkness and dark skin color and people are trying to move towards light skin color and yeah so that kind of thing started driving me like and so anyway that's why I started using like good and bad or good and evil.

That's so funny to me.

How do you how do you feel?

For me good and bad or evil feels way more like controversial than light or dark and I would have never thought of the skin color thing ever.

But I guess yeah I mean I could see how people might be sensitive to that but on you know a truer reaction is like I have no idea how you would connect those at all.

Yeah good good good so then maybe it can continue if we can evolve past that skin color thing.

Well it's a really helpful way to look at like personal development and like yourself as a whole.

Listen part of arriving into the consciousness what we're talking about is unity consciousness right like the one realization that there's no me without you.

I see myself in your reflection.

I'm here to be on earth to like master really being in relationship so that I can better see and understand myself and arrive into more truth and more of like the wholeness remembering more of my wholeness remembering more of my power remembering more of my innate infinite wisdom remembering my divinity remembering that I'm God you know actually whoa okay now what do we want to create you know and so the light in the dark is helpful actually for understanding this journey to wholeness right journey and remembering one's wholeness it's like oh the light would contain but the shadow and the light actually contain talk about keys right all the same keys there's like a light and a shadow side like all these different dynamics that will come across in our lives like our purpose our relationships are you know all the different aspects of our life and how we express ourselves in this reality it's like you know another way I would just define light and dark or light and shadow.

I like how you said light and shadow yeah.

Like right shadow yeah like light what is illuminated what we're willing to be seen as what we're willing to like put forth like here I am here's my image and then shadow like as I was describing earlier the things that were hiding the things that were ashamed the things that were in contraction about versus expansion so that's another fun way just another law universal law of like how we're operating as energetic beings on earth and in the multiverse is like expanding or contracting and then we come back to decisions we come back to choice we come back to the rules of the game that we're deciding to play and then we're we're not judging things as good or bad or wrong or right because those aren't absolute truths those are just like judgments but what I do know is oh I have this choice maybe that's all I ever have and is it expansive is it bringing me into more illumination is it bringing me into more you know truth unity connection or not or not yeah or is it the opposite of all of those things and so that's a different way that I would like riff on what you kind of brought up is like and that's a helpful tool because in any moment in your life it's like okay orient yourself to what you truly value and what are you here for and you can decide to redesign that at any moment if it doesn't feel good anymore what do you value why are you here you decide that that's not some external thing like why am I here I need to find my purpose no decide why you're here what do you want to be experiencing what do you want to feel what do you value what do you stand for you know and then and then you have more of a compass when your choices are emerging okay does this feel expansive does this feel in alignment with my values does this get me closer to where I want to be you know or not yeah I like that way of putting it it is expansive versus contractive I like that way like the light versus shadow these are these are helpful they are in another part of it is kind of like the feeling of in in an harmonization between an intuition and a rationality as well as another way of of putting it yeah you can see that yeah the spirituality and science harmonization that they're in this perfect flux and it's a joy to be on the ride and that's something so important to communicate and to fall in love with and if one can I don't know if one can do their best to stay on the ride of joy I'm curious what you think about this whole thing of the wheel of emotion I and also I'm curious about mirrors with you I know myself because I have you here and that you reflect me and that some of the things you say which you you would never say but if you were to say things that I knew were like that I shouldn't go and do something violent etc I should not listen to that mirror but ones around maybe waste augment my life I should listen to and so there's discernment in the mirrors right so I'm curious about that and also I'm curious about the emotional thing like you come to me with anger I don't I don't really care like I don't care for maybe being empathic to diving into that maybe I want to stay joyful and I don't want to take that on so how do you how do you feel about those communicate with like such simplicity but it's like those are long topics maybe not maybe it's actually not so long you know listen discernment discipline okay we practice energy mastery coming into our center coming into resting like stillness that we can observe what's occurring instead of being reactive and like impulsive and when you're you know able to hold kind of a stable resting still point discernment happens pretty naturally for a lot of my life that wasn't always the case at all for most of my life I was like living in a lot of reactivity I think most people are it's like reactivity just like instant like feedback react feedback react not a lot of thought not a lot of observation not a lot of mindfulness not a lot of presence a lot of just like what I think I should be doing so I'll just do that and operating kind of in this like you know conveyor belt factory mentality as you said earlier and it really does feel like that in a lot of cases a lot of behavioral conditioning there and so discernment you know wow I mean I learned discernment through pain frankly like that's been the journey for a long time has been like arriving to an awareness that greater discernment must be cultivated only through discomfort and pain right like I think that's how we how we grow and transform although later on you know as the path continues I should hope that it doesn't have to be so painful anymore and with more examples of people sharing their pain and transformation maybe other people don't have to go through the similar depths of pain and suffering and whatnot to learn the same lessons and faster and sooner and so yeah when it all comes back again to like being a really finely attuned barometer for truth what your body is when you're taking care of when you're self-sourcing all of your needs when you are unconditionally loving yourself you know to the best of your ability when you're embodying that sense of wholeness and completeness and it's complex though even as I talk about this I'm like but then they have to do the inner child work and the inner parenting work and the heal the family trauma and and also we can exist in a reality where no in this moment I'm free I'm sovereign I'm whole and complete and I choose to be attuned to happiness and joy and in this present moment I am that and so it is so again simultaneous experiences all happening in the same moment you know my journey has been a longer one of like a lot of steps and a lot of work and a lot of different dimensions of the healing and now I'm excited to see more and more available to us this like kind of instantaneous almost like flipping a switch of like how do you want to feel like you're that powerful pleasant or unpleasant right how do you want to feel choose how you want to feel right now like choose it embody it be it don't engage in the mind that's going to want to keep you in the survival fear fight or flight as your nervous system becomes repatterned don't do that go into an energetic movement singing like self-care practice something that gets you into a good feeling state and just give yourself what you need right now do we need to know hate to know love need I don't know choose maybe yeah for me and again to point it to the like the the concept of like choosing well each each and every one of us choosing our own game right to come here to deeply understand maybe even come into mastery over a particular theme for me my life lesson is is unconditional love I would say and so yeah I've selected a lot of lessons and continue to lessons and triggers and painful situations and growing edges I choose them again and again these situations that reflect to me the opposite of unconditional love so that I can refine my discernment awareness understanding of what unconditional love actually is it might be something that I never fully master understand but just keep peeling away the layers and peeling away the distortions and coming into greater understanding and I want to ask you what do you feel if you resonate with what I just shared do you feel that like you have an awareness of your lesson or have you thought about this like your mastery lesson or like maybe one of the central themes that you're here in this life to really come into deep relationship with and understanding of the nature of this reality what is the nature of this reality why it's here how we all partake in it and it's beauty and being in constant awe of that beauty and trying to share that beauty which is what any good artist tries to do do you think everyone's an artist I do I do every seed or every snowflake or every instrument that's being played out in the symphony is a piece of art and every bird every plant every atom if you wish free cell if you wish to go down every sun every planet being an artist in that first principle of always coming back to the nature of this reality is where this show over the last two years and change has evolved to this is not my show the show is not for me me my and I I try to not use as much as possible that this is this is simply a vessel for the one to play and that there is a reason why this show came to that question as the first principle what is the nature of this reality because that is what the one wants the show to be and if we look at it this again in a year will it still be that around the nature of the reality my take is yes if it's not I will be very interested in what you focus so and then maybe the second principle is about how every single one of us as artists can be our best artist and that seems to be the second principle the second focus of this show and of all of the other multimedia content that were working on I love to see us that way we're all artists we're all creators we're all creating something we're all here to create something beautiful actually and that the beauty is like highly functional and effective even if just for sheer delight and fun and joy and like why not exactly that my friend of mine calls it um he calls us hardest hardest heart like a heart yes hardest hardest yeah like as an artist but a harness that's really good yeah which actually art is the three letters in heart yeah yeah I like that hardest I like that a lot also heart is in many ways what is the interval between polarities of life and death is the heart and it is also the if you if you would endeavor with me into the science is two and a half billion approximately heartbeats and seconds that you get about 30,

000 days 10,

000 of which you'll be asleep so 20,

000 of which you will be awake and what will you do with your time and the more that we remember those limited amounts of summers that we have left you'll get about if you're the average age of the saunas you'll get maybe like 50 more summers if you're you know lucky like what what are you gonna be doing who will you be surrounding yourself with how will you be passing your time what will you be hardest thing into the world so that's that's such a part of that second principle of becoming your best artist is remembering that yeah I'm in inquiry now about longevity and to what extent or condition to believe in age and timing of like our body's ability to thrive beyond a certain point and because I'd see my top end with my timeline of this life and what I'm here to create and either I'm doing a lot faster I'm living to be like 250 and feeling awesome so you know it's just a fun thing to decode like whoa and look at also our economic structure political structure how that's framed around an expectation or agreement that you know age is like you know you're old when you're 60 you're retired you're done working you know etc and it's like wow such a deep encodement you know and it's like well wait a minute I think in the reality that I like to exist in it's like people are so turned on by what they're doing what they're creating living in their genius having a blast I'm gonna keep playing yeah for as long as I can for maybe a really long time yeah radical life extension is a fascinating field and it also tackles one of the greatest challenges which is the piece of art that is the human body and keeping that like 14 year old homeostatic capacity with you throughout until you're 80 until you're 140 etc which is it's really beautiful to think about being able to play for that long it also depending on what is actually going on post death is potentially unneeded so I don't know that's a that's another in itself another very interesting question and topic is what goes on post death because if you do just take another seat in any of these anywhere in this multiverse of infinite multiverse of creative play that is unfolding then yeah then it's radical life extension still becomes a part of it but it's also hilarious in a sense to also think about think about yeah there's so much to do like there's so much that we accumulate one of the great ways is the whole library metaphor that's very powerful because I don't want to I don't want to lose the library that accumulates in Sydney when she's 80 and like there's so much good stuff in that library and then the library like burns down you just file it away in the known fields and anyone can go access all of us are card carrying members and you know I'm just laughing at this like vision of like you know we die and we make this whole big deal about death and whatever and it's like but then we just it's like but then we're all just kind of hanging out in this other new dimension and we're like I wonder what happens with all those people that are alive it's like the same thing it's just like nice to see you again you know it's fun and it's funny like we can just laugh at ourselves and zoom out like yes okay yes we're like God trying to understand itself that nothing like we'll never understand fully and we have this great capacity to somehow by some miracle be able to communicate as these completely different beings with completely different life experiences like it is a miracle that you and I are able to communicate and actually make sense that's something that I've been like very aware of lately like it is a miracle whoa you know with how different how unique we each are and how differently we see the world like you could describe something like I'm so sensitive to assumptions right now and I'm aware of how often I assume yeah and how like all of the world's problems are probably a result of just assumptions and not being clear because oh my god I could say this thing and just assume you agree with the meaning but you're meanwhile seeing it as a completely different reality and it's like it's a miracle that we're able to even like build things together you know but this is part of the learning and the remembering and the deconditioning that we get to go into together as new earth architects you know we get to be in healing process together we get to be in transformation together we get to be the bridges between science and business and spirituality and mystic wisdom you know and bring it all together so that we can really share a common language a common understanding without assumptions so that then we can this is the other thing we've never had more at our disposal in terms of innovation technology resources I mean just like human capital genius like we have everything you know something in Odyssey we talk about is like we have these like global challenges and issues and things that we want to you know change and evolving into our harmonious state of interbeing and the truth is like we have everything we need to like solve those issues but why is nothing but why is nothing you know changing or why is it not you know why are we not there yet like are we there yet you know why not and it seems to be that and I've seen this in some of the other examples too it's like in in teams and companies even that are like fully funded and they have all the resources and all the right people and all everything at their disposal and they still can't like do the thing they still can't deliver on the objective the company fails so the issue is it's like energetic it's behavioral it's conditioning it's like a lack of intuitive emotional intelligence it's an inability we must heal and transform our inability and I'm so in this camp too like I'm calling myself out because it's really easy to operate in your own echo chamber when it's just you and you're running it and you're running a company even but man talk about real collaboration like we're healing massively of a deep like series of wounds around real collaboration like real sharing really trusting really allowing ourselves to show up as who we really are like really being our full selves in communion in community with fellow masters with fellow equals with the people that we're here to build with because it's also easy to operate just on a pedestal when I'm the CEO and I'm the spiritual teacher and I'm great and everyone's here to see me and I can just still be existing in my echo chamber but you know when shit gets real is when it's like oh well you're really smart too and you're really talented and you're gonna mirror to me all the ways in which I'm operating in insecurity and inadequacy and fear and scarcity and what's in the way of me being fully present and actually sharing and being in unity and so that's where we're at right now like that's where we're at that's where the future is just like right there ready for us to build heaven on earth is already here you know but that's the stuff that we get to tackle together and I like to speak about that really explicitly because it to me means like this initiation and rite of passage journey that new earth architects and leaders visionaries were called to go on together and it's not about like me going into my therapy with like my one-on-one person yes I have all my support I have my team I have my different resources but actually it's about all of us getting together and like doing this work together and healing the trauma and healing the behavioral conditioning and like I need to be experiencing myself in your mirror to effectively release these old patterns and actually learn how to collaborate and share and trust it's a lot it's not even learn it's actually remember to remember how to do that because we know when we're in presence when we're in coherence when we're in true coherence right which is an individual process before it's a collective process personal mastery personal development take care of your own energy be coherent mind body spirit soul stable clear connected then I can meet you then we can start to create coherence together and then we multiply and then suddenly oh there's more unity oh suddenly there's more ease oh suddenly there's more trust these kind of these things kind of emerge innately trust arises trust is there you know so these are the kinds of things that I'm really excited about exploring now and creating more intentional spaces for fellow leaders visionaries of the new earth architects of the new earth you know having these spaces where we have permission to like go into this like mastery of coherence because we had a practice interesting so a big way of of architecting that is by creating intentional living spaces so that people can practice coherence to architect that yeah yeah that's great what are some of the principles at the intentional living spaces it's funny that you said intentional living spaces because now I'm like I don't want to live with anybody living with community like all year like no more community oh my god it's so hard but it's funny that you said that did it sound like I said that like I infer implied living together I was thinking more like like an odyssey we gather in retreats and immersions and there for like seven days our last event was in November it was in set it was for four days so we'll you know going forward we'll meet over seven five to seven day periods maybe ten days you know but not but you know what yeah ultimately yes practicing living together practice being in real intimate relationship yes yeah yeah this is this is another one of those funny funny balances that's imperfection ebbs and flows because we love our alone time I guess I do know some introverts that love their alone time a lot and extroverts that love their togetherness time a lot but it's between the individuality and the community because the in the level of inundation today of beings and boot bops that take us away from our they both can take us into community but also away from our self-work or just all these other things that we're trying to do alone there's something that's very complex about that relationship it does seem though that there is going to be some sort of of a spaces that are designed in ways that foster more of the the good ness that we were talking about throughout the conversation and so our college is a main principle our architecture and ecology being together another one is keeping the Dunbar number in mind this idea that it's so hard to fit more than 150 people intimately knowing one another there's so many of these other ones just obviously just not that like immediate return hunter gatherers were super symbiotic with their environment versus just stripping things away creating access hierarchies creating just single monocultures of agrarian life I mean there's so many of these things that were just that we can take the good from and build into intentional living spaces and make it so that people can still easily have their individuality within those you're like you're marrying something really cool right now that's very present maybe you're not aware of this movie you are at some level I feel you are you're marrying this inquiry that I'm in right now about you know moving to Hawaii and of course you know this total synchronicity of living situation arose it's really funny though it was like somehow I ended up on this arbitrary website I've never heard of before and I saw this great house and I just sent them the email but it kind of felt like well this email go to anybody or is this like a real website I'm not really sure but I didn't think too much about it I just sent it and it was like a very simple message you were cold you cold message this place I honestly sometimes this happens like does this ever happen to you I end up on the weirdest I follow you know who knows intuitive rabbit holes yes me too arrived to the weirdest website so I'm like no one is this a real website or is this like a portal like what is happening yeah it's kind of like that and I'm like is this like I wasn't really sure but I just felt like two sentences like hey is this place available slash is this real you know here's my email and then the person you know days later sends me this beautiful email and it's like oh my gosh we have all these great friends on Facebook and I have this beautiful property just built it and it's you know building it to be in an incubator or retreat center so it's like this compound and it's communal but everyone has their own private space so it's like to your point it's like okay there's a little resistance of like community there's not resistance but just from some of my prior experiences over the last few months I'm like that can be really challenging so yes it's important that when we live in community we have our own private space and this particular one the guy just this was like I was on the phone with him on my way here actually and he's like yeah everyone has kind of their own apartment basically you know but we're all sharing living in the land and there's like farming happening on the land and there's ways of like really being engaged with the natural environment and and there's a big space but there's this feeling of community but also you know retreat space to really be in one's own element and I'm like this is and you're talking about this now and I'm like okay affirmation yeah yeah because this is the future the future the this future that we're here to build unity consciousness is requiring all of us to show up together and to become masterful in our relationship so that we can truly thrive and live in community together and maybe that doesn't you know doesn't mean that we're all living on communes but maybe it does and maybe like so many of our issues and our trauma and our suffering has been the result of this overly individualized amnesia it's hard it's hard to live alone especially look at the family dynamic that's actually like a really recent modern development and very I would say specific to America the way that the family unit has developed right that whole and all the pressure they're in of like how you show up as a dad and the breadwinner and then the mom and she's at home with the kids but it's all like this this assumption that you're kind of just managing it by yourself and even the kids like everyone has their own separate room and sometimes the family doesn't even see each other so everyone's busy and you know versus nuclear eyes so that they're not seeing the neighbor exactly and and then meanwhile and I'm sure there's figures to support this it seems like the majority of the world and maybe the majority of our collective experience and family has actually been more tribal has been like you know living in communal and like even sharing more intimate spaces together so people are actually you're kind of forced to be rubbing up against each other and healing and being with one another there's not so much isolation and avoidance and repression possible yeah the amnesia the species amnesia does feel like there's a hyper amount of communal lism and also synchronicity with mirrors being more greater proximity to one another albeit there's many ways to go from there and I'll also do one of those pauses good job there's so many ways to go from there and I'm glad that you brought that up especially regarding your adventure in your next chapter yeah to why yeah okay there are a couple other things um one of them is what do you see regarding inequality in the world yeah yeah it's hard for me to answer that because when I tune in and I ask like what do I believe about this I feel like I really wow I've zoomed out so much like inequality probably used to be the thing that affected me most when it came to discomfort and suffering in my human experience on earth it's like so deeply sensitive to even things like slavery which I've never personally experienced in this life but probably in other lifetimes just like I've always felt so deeply impacted by injustice rooted in really inequality like as obscure as skin color I've always seen through that illusion that like there's a difference that we've created all these differences based on like they're just it's always felt made up to me and I spent a lot of my life feeling like great suffering wondering like what I was gonna do about it how I could fix it why did everyone believe this I mean that was like motivated so much of my life and study and all sorts of ways and now it's funny because I just almost feel this like neutrality about it like well I guess inequality is there because people are learning still learning about contrast and learning about illusions and ways that they create separation based on like made up based on illusion and but what do I see what I see emerging and what I see arising as people are devoted and in more discipline to embodying more coherence and embodying more mastery and like living their purpose and being turned on by life and exploring their intuition and just being more awake you know what I'm excited about naturally arising and ascension is this very natural remembrance and almost like uncanny remembrance uncanny knowing that like yeah you're my family you're my family and I share of course I share with everyone of course I want to take care of the earth because I really take care of my body so I'm really responsible for my well-being and I'm connected to everything else here so I have a responsibility to take care of all of this because it's actually a part of me and so are you and so we'll just not we're naturally already arriving into the more and more of that and so inequality feels like this kind of like non sequitur thing now it's like well I don't think that doesn't exist in unity damn this is so cool because on one side we have this beautiful unity just wanting to awaken to the familial and when you say things like seeing past the cultural programming of doing skin color stuff well that's unity also yet there's the there's the when you do add it that in and you do start breaking that down you do see that like a transatlantic slave trade and what that how that trauma needs healing then you you do see the state of there being 2,

500 billionaires around the planet and you do inquire into the you inquire into their hearts and you wonder about the amount of love in their hearts the amount of interconnectedness that they feel how they accrued that wealth and so because you oneness wants them to feel like you are a sister and a child and this is also a brother and a child and etcetera so all children of the planet all brothers sisters of the family etcetera but the way that the resources are being distributed are not like trees through their roots and fungal networks to trees that are smaller trees distributing the carbon the excess carbon to them in our case it's someone left a comment on on one of our our videos I believe it was on the interview with with Chris Ryan that we went from this immediate return hunter-gatherer culture to hoard a culture to hoarder culture and that's a really interesting way of viewing it too I'm getting another piece of designer clothing or a boat plane car house watch whatever meanwhile it's not a problem that there are people starving homeless disease-ridden poverty-ridden that aren't experiencing their maximal inner artist and no problem that they're getting kicked out of metropolis is that I'm buying the 10th and 12th house in that I'm never at because that doesn't matter because real estate is one of the best places for me to diversify my portfolio of wealth there's lots that's happening like that in the inequality pot of oneness that when we kind of like look into we're like oh shit and then let's within the architecting we we do have to open it up and and look I think we're at a tipping point like the discrepancy is so vast actually just today on a call with one of my mentors Randy we were talking about two levels of inequality because it's always referenced as an inequality gap it's always referenced that way they're rich in the poor right right there's the balance again we today we were talking about there being two I mean there is this big spectrum of wealth but but there's also a big spectrum of enlightenment and some of the richest people are some of the least enlightened and some of the poorest people are the most enlightened and so there's also that which is something insane to also add into this mixing pot and then when we're talking about these gaps and we started viewing it also interestingly a way of viewing it as a there being a gap between people that are buying their 12th house and people that are that have a house that may be struggling to pay for that house there's that gap but then there's another gap down to people that don't even make one US dollar per day so there's there there is actually that that's still left to like a billion people that's left to not know about their next meal and their next water for fuck sakes so there's that and then there's the kind of middle ground and then there's the extreme wealth so there's these kind of like maybe even a two gap infinite gaps or infinite I see it I zoom out and I'm like yeah and like what lifetime are all these people on because at some level you know to what extent have we all kind of come in as understanding what it is to be a slave what it is to be homeless what it is to be a victim what it is to be suffering what it is to be in scarcity and then what it is to be the perpetrator the you know the hoarder the prostitute I mean all these are archetypes right it's like to it I personally feel like I've played all of those out and can even see in my current life how I've still been trying on all those different personalities how I've you know and it's and so we can zoom out and see okay at what level are people choosing to play like that's the game that they're they're playing that's the game that they're choosing to understand you know themselves better within their they're here to understand suffering being a victim being in poverty for some reason maybe to realize like oh that you know the external externals are not filling you know an innate sense of worthiness or love or enlightenment or connection to God or you know these things that are free that cannot be bought and but you know as you were speaking and laying that out so beautifully it's like again the isolation piece just arises as we continue to allow ourselves to be in any isolation separation projection judgment of one another really like liberation and I think one of the most revolutionary invitations for healing any of us can inquire into is you know and these are not my words but it's like realize the other person is you thank Yogi Bhajan says that like realize the other person is you if we really are the one and you and I are proponents of like unity consciousness and let's be together and let's see each other and let's take care of each other and but listen like that starts with me doing all of that being all of that highest integrity highest excellence like feeling good taking care of myself being in full responsibility being in truth being authentic you know I gotta get that stuff underway before I can even think about coming and playing with you you know we're not totally there yet a lot of us who are even claiming to be in great mastery and teachers and facilitators and stewards of great wealth and influence we get to be really honest about whether or not we're actually are we actually ready to play and collaborate in this new earth yet are we it's I don't know I personally am like I got some more work to do for a little bit and you know but because then we can't help like when we do arrive out of the shadow out of the cave out of this isolation out of the you know projection that I've been allowing you to put put on to me out of the when I take myself off of the pedestal that I've been really comfortable operating on you know when I actually just humble myself and I'm really able to be here with you the things that I used to value don't matter so much so it's not really what I want I think what we all really want is like connection look what we all really want is unity but we have to experience that within ourselves first we have to like experience being with ourselves loving ourselves it sounds so simple right but it's like it's actually quite an impossible challenging task like to really deeply unconditionally love yourself so that you can be in that type of a union with other I'm not there yet and that's okay I noticed as I say that it's like there's my little perfectionism judgment arising of like because I want I want I taste moments of being there I can taste it I want to live there I want to be there but oh there's there's stuff and okay and can I not judge and can I be in celebration of also like wow it's taken a lot to get here I celebrate this path I've enjoyed this journey I've enjoyed the path even all the moments that sucked and were terrible I thought I was gonna die I'm so grateful for being here present in this moment to see how it was all great it was all perfect maybe I created it all you know it was awesome I'm a great game designer yes and what a relief there were a couple things that you brought up that I thought were super good of course that as we anchor unconditional love in ourselves then we get that unconditional love in the the family of the ocean of interconnectedness that all is in and then I liked how you were talking about all the different masks that we put on to to play in all of the different I like that a lot and then it's so important it's like if you find that because this used to be me man oh so it's like so present right now I feel if if you're out there and you're like oh like those rich people and they have to give back to the poor and those people like whoever you're pointing the finger at like that person if only they could just get excited and wake up and then we could all ascend it's like they like it's you it is you you know like the people that bug you the people that really that you're like you're giving a lot of energy to or even like causes to like we got to save the ocean we got to clean the trash we got to stop littering we got to clean the rainforest you know it's like the stuff that you're giving the energy to but that's really actually like irritating agitating bothering you that you feel maybe an obligation to fix to serve to change it's like that's a reflection of something within you that probably you're not fully an acknowledgement of or maybe not quite willing to be fully present with like or fully loving you're not willing to fully love accept receive be present you know to so being my else projecting out here yet we also see that while also seeing the stewardship of the millions of species that are at risk of extinction and so we do we do we do kind of have a little fire within of wanting to architect that which does not have such extreme suffocation of natural ecosystem totally but make sure you're doing the inner work yeah and maybe after you do a little bit more of the self-inquiry of like where am I you know abusing the planet where am I not which could mean where are you not taking care of your body your planet your ecosystem where have you been abused where have you been perpetrated against where have you I mean like we are the planet like our body is kind of our body is that microcosm of the macrocosm is just one way to think about it so if you feel this fire of like whatever the problem is out here it's like okay just take a moment and reflect like okay interesting the energy that I'm upset about in like the deforestation is like this negligence this like you know disrespect of natural resources and disrespect of beauty and just like not taking care of the earth and not taking care of other people and you know but then where is that energy that negligence present within you like where are you not showing up for yourself where are you not managing your resources effectively where are you not managing your energy as I know is the case for a lot of activists and people that are on the front lines even in transformation spiritual healing like you're on the front lines doing the work but to what extent is that outward drive to like save the world actually a deep calling from within for you to actually pay attention to yourself and and I'm literally speaking about myself in this moment like where is that drive and that call to service to the whole actually and like with such great fervor where is that actually a call for you to look deep within yourself and see where you are not giving that love to yourself where you are not fully devoted to your own awakening to your own highest excitement yeah that's where it gets real yeah I love that way of putting it as well that's why I'm always I feel trying to look with nuance because then I look in also with nuance and then I get more of the variables and then I get the complexity of what has taken as you know as stimuli into this where I am right now and also as how everything is got architected and then it's not a it's not some sort of a pointing finger anger type scenario rather a a look at all of these variables and feel the beauty and architect what our hearts know is possible that is the the process yeah you have a new book that's coming out next year ish and you're not sharing too much about it but you can give us a little bit of a taste we would love to learn the book is called the consciousness code and it's a path that I found to be really useful for embodying higher consciousness and living with more presence and greater purpose being the creator of your reality and it's been really humbling to have written quite a bit and to feel now that it's a lot of what has been created is not is no longer relevant no longer authentic so it's it's been it's been a challenge and it's great and I guess this is something to get used to as a writer that you know we write for the sake of writing and we we write because it's something I love it's my art that's what brings me so much joy it's how I better understand and process and integrate in fact the book is actually it's like such a healing integration process it's like the greatest gift I could give myself to integrate this journey of this life like all of the lessons and can I digest it you know can I digest it in such a way that someone else may learn yes and quite easily pick up the tools that I found to be most helpful for doing more of the things we're talking about you and I are super similar in that sense of also having taken all of these different beautiful spirits that have been here sharing and trying to identify what are some of the best principles and so there's a very similar process I'm curious for you for what you've identified as these codes of consciousness what as much as you would like give us a little bit if you can it's funny the journey with this book started as like an invitation to write about like purpose alignment fulfillment like answering this call that so many are feeling right now of like I'm in this job and I'm not happy and what do I do and how do I even begin that process of asking what could be the other option and then it evolved into more of like soul purpose alignment destiny like tuning in with you know a little bit more of what we've been sharing about like past lives and a little bit more about you know energetics and and then it came to this calling of like wait a minute this is a minute this needs to be a manual for ascension yes you know and and I'm not necessarily in there's a lot of books out there that are about very similar concepts I mean it's eight step path it's like eightfold path originally was gonna be a 12 step path but then publisher is like that sounds like it's a little too 12 steppy which I have a background in 12 step recovery and I'm like maybe it's 11 steps because I like 11 but there's this idea that there is a path and there are many paths but I've taken a path and I've taken a lot of people down their path you know and so I'm not necessarily interviewing a lot of different people to get case studies or you know maybe that'll be a part of what is revealed later on over the next couple months like that is something I think I'd like to include more of that type of research but it really is told from my own experience how I've like overcome addiction how I've and actually that's what I wrote about before and as I say that that doesn't feel true anymore and I really resonate with what you said about being sensitive to using me and I and my because that's actually where I'm at and that's kind of the awkward reorientation that I'm in with this book because I've actually told my story so many times and I'm kind of tired of it and I want to be in this present moment sharing and exploring and co-creating in collaboration with the reader you know co-creating this journey of what it is to embody higher consciousness but really in spirit of like supporting them in being an inquiry like their questions like the things that they're excited to explore like doing their own healing work with some examples and some sharing but less less of that you know and maybe more highlighting other people maybe highlighting because it's already been done before I'm not really saying anything new you know I'm sharing through my unique lens which might reach people that otherwise might not have ever heard it I'm clear on that but I'm not really saying anything new I'm tapping into like the same frequency that everyone else writing about consciousness is we all just have our own unique transmission translation and it's important for us to share that in our utmost authenticity you know so yeah I feel this process is very humbling I have like the table of contents I have the the steps you know some of the steps in embodying your highest higher consciousness are you know to become really attuned with your desires yep to practice radical forgiveness to you know become really curious about your intuition and how that speaks and wants to operate in your life as a guide to practice mindfulness these things sound so simple but they actually require in my experience a lot of guidance a lot of permission a lot of safe space to explore you know it's like I remember at a time in my path where I would just hear all the time like just surrender and just let go and just trust and manifest and like reading Abraham Hicks every day and wanting to believe it but just always having this underlying doubt and desire for someone to tell me how because there's no assumptions and no matter how much I read the things every day I couldn't really get it I couldn't believe it I didn't have an embodied experience of what trust and surrender felt like until I started showing up in my life differently and allowed new experiences to emerge that gave me the opportunity to practice and so that's what I intend that's like my prayer for this new transmission that will be coming through that's my prayer is that it's like that invitation into new action into new awareness that people can have that embodied experience of higher consciousness does that make sense yeah those are those were excellent principles yeah yeah there's some of them yeah and some of them might change now too it's like I have to ask you about some yeah well at least one that it stuck out for me which is this surrender there's something also about it that is like okay but the architecting so what do we is that another balanced one surrender but architecting it's a great balance yes and it's an integration and and I don't by the way have a step that's like surrender how do I explain that it's not intellectualized can't explain it you could explain well I'll do my best so yeah it's a balance right like in this in this way that I feel most excited there I am I'm like sensitive to the eye right and the way that we're called to collaborate in this new earth right and which is rooted in sharing and trust and coherence connection you know we're gonna become really masterful in working with energy and creating in quantum leaps creating what used to take us years and lifetimes to manifest will be creating it much faster much more efficiently much more easily probably with a lot more fun with a lot more creativity because we'll become more masterful of this understanding that we create you know we create what we're putting what we're intending what we're thinking about what we're talking about what we're envisioning we're already creating it without us needing to control the how without having to control every single single minutia of how the architecture comes together I see us all evolving into more of this collective agreement and awareness that we are really divine beings operating with very like multi-dimensional intelligence and capacity to literally create instantaneously without needing to know how and the why is simply because we want and so it is and so I'm excited to create like massive projects with people operating in this and I've already experienced this in retreats and in client containers it's like when we are operating in this explicit intention to amplify our magnetic potential you know when we come into harmony through energetic practice through meditation through breath work when we get into these really ecstatic high frequency states and then we play in future visioning in like you know oh it's 2025 and we're I love your new flying car I love oh my god so fun to see your book on the bestseller list and my new movies coming out and you know we just speak into being and we focus on present moment attunement to excitement and ecstatic states and letting our creativity and our intuition come through and we give it voice and we encode you know we encode our reality we're always doing that anyway we're just not doing it consciously right what are we speaking into being and so I'm excited about creating at scale in that kind of a way you know and then allowing synchronicity and really effortless ease full manifestation to simply occur because that is normal and that does happen when you feel good when you're in alignment when you're in flow you're focused on like really being a clear channel we've all experienced this this isn't spiritual it's like flow state you know when you're clear when you're making your art when you're just losing total track of time you're in timelessness you're just allowing total focus hyper focus on what it is that you love with like total presence you know suddenly you've created you've written the book in like three hours suddenly you've painted the painting in a minute you know whatever it is we've all had states and state experiences like this certainly when we were children you know and so we all have that attunement to remember and refine and so I sense you know this future and I've seen this in many readings and reflections like and that's where surrender comes in right so we get to become masterful and surrender of like okay wait a minute the thing I want intellectually there's been a conditioning that's told me that that will take 25 years to build you know but surrender and spirit and intuition timelessness infinite being says no you have infinite knowledge resources and support available in all moments and if you're really clear on what you want and you know look at all this support here amplifying this potential and so it is so just focus keep focusing on the feeling of how good it feels to have that thing to be there to be to be in the collective sharing and celebration of that reality having manifested and then surrender and let go and don't worry about the how I mean I'm now just saying like basic law of attraction I guess but there's a deeper meaning here of like there's a somatic nervous system attunement to surrender to peace to ease to trust to just knowing just like nature isn't worrying about like I don't know the wind blowing you know like trees aren't like doesn't that sound funny like nature's not worrying like I feel like we're reattuning ourselves to just like we don't need to worry about the how it's not our job it's actually so ineffective to spend all of these resources trying to figure out so many things and figure out the how and make the plan that is like operating in such slow it's operating so slowly actually I've seen this a lot in the energetic work that I support clients in it's like in business especially with money the resources with manifesting a you know scaled business or bringing up creative project to life you know when you focus your energy on like feeling your best taking care of yourself clearing out it you know lacking integrity clearing energy drains when you focus on building your full magnetic potential you know suddenly the thing that you thought was going to take like however long based on what you're conditioned to think in a confined linear time frame it's like oh it just popped up because the person just called me and offered me the opportunity that I needed to like the missing link to the puzzle you know just introduced me to the investor I mean of countless expect countless this is so these kinds of experiences will get to go in the book as like the celebrations and the affirmations of what I believe is our true nature I'll make the tie to the next question as this one plays out that the feel of what you are communicating feels incredible and also the there's also some sort of a feel of leaders of governments or owners of the largest companies in the planet that makes it a little bit more hesitant to so called just surrender versus into actual architect so so yeah so that's the one point and then that leads into the question which is of you'd be surprised how many of those people are meeting with their you know psychic energy advisors in secret and who are actually very finely attuned with the dynamics of quantum reality creation and manifestation and surrender I agree that that exists and that it's surprisingly interesting that it does exist yet I do not think that we have enough conversation about the opposite the psychopathic the complete and utter domination of other people and natural resources for individual greed so yeah so then those would be the two points there of nuance that that were great actually a great points of nuance one of my friends you're reminding me of my friend Kara is an incredible visionary advisor and like specializes in new earth wealth and economic dynamics and is a channel and Akashic guides similar we share similar work and she actually made this great point we're doing a big council kind of deep dive about the new earth economic system at Odyssey and part of it came through was like this which I think is what you're pointing to like this energy of like sorcery like it just kind of feels like a powerful word that maybe we don't use very often in conversations like this but it really landed for me it's like well something that we were unraveling about the current global financial system is like a few things that a lot of the words that are used in traditional banking funny enough have these like deeply meaningful significances and actually healing and connection like think about the words that we use to describe you know these different aspects of banking bonds trust like foundation there are a few other ones but they were just very powerful words that actually signify like at the core a deep desire for connection for unity for relationship like they're encoded right and that felt very paradoxical but then Kara made this great point about how yeah like why do we have these like multi billionaires who are operating probably like operating in such isolation and disconnection from what it's like for you know oh my god someone who's even middle class or who even has like 12 houses not to mention as you said someone who's barely able to survive you know with like barely any needs met and it's like wow what a crazy distortion but what how has someone arrived to that level where they're able to attract magnetize magnify like that level of resources within our current structure and she literally was like this is sorcery this is energy mastery you know money is energy it's a current it is energy right and so for someone to have amassed and to actually amass a current right like I'm just riffing on this now but think about like amassing a current like behind a dam you know like a holding a huge body of water say like the currency of of money is like this infinite river like infinite supply hugely powerful think about the power that it would take to contain that to amass it to keep it like to hoard it even like wow and she called that sorcery and so I like to think about it that way this leads into this question about what being the purpose the telos of this entire process there is a feeling of of humanity being a biological bootloader for a digital super intelligence how does that make you feel hmm I like the way you describe that and that doesn't resonate for me I think computers and technology is just a manifestation of our consciousness and that sounds really simply put and kind of silly to say actually like obviously everything's a manifestation of our consciousness but you know like the internet feels like a manifestation of our innate ability to telepathically communicate you know like the technology this idea that there's a supercomputer feels like kind of this dystopian kind of strange play on like wait a minute they're trying to understand God something that we can quantify something that we can make tangible like a rational a rationalization of God that's what it feels like to me I don't really buy it I think we are the supercomputer we are the supercomputer making what wow making more we're the supercomputer processing reality in such a way that we activate more experiences in which we can expand our processing capacity okay and one of those may be digital super intelligence how about I'll leave that realm to you I'll leave that realm to I see that timeline where we have all the robots and we do all the but you know listen call me an optimist I have a deep faith in humanity really realizing remembering awakening to its innate like divinity and likewise incredible potential to you know just just manifest and actualize truly infinite possibility that no computer or anything external from us would ever be able to create interesting perspective yeah what do you think is most beautiful the first thing that comes up was love and then innocence says like love but what is that love you know love is love is another indefinable is it just an is but then innocence that feels true that feels more true to me innocence is like clarity purity like a clean this this prayer feeling knowing that we actually all have the ability to create a clean slate and that on that clean slate we're just we are innately in our innocence with like nothing to hide nothing to prove yeah that's beautiful to me equally feels as important as the youthful homeostatic capacity for artists for life yeah good weaving you two thought this whole thing this has been epic yeah thanks so much for coming on this show such a pleasure thank you it was like whoa how many hours has it been that was epic and on some level i feel like it was like okay maybe that was like 20 minutes i'm not sure maybe it was like five hours i'm not really sure where we are which no you know it was good i feel like we're right around the two mark awesome what's been an absolute pleasure 237 it looks like there was a streaming issue but let's see if uh oh it does look like it's still streaming okay well yeah there's there's me looking at the screen well okay well holy cow 237 wow oh that was just two hours wow high five high five for marathons wow high five for marathons um wow okay so although our monitor says that there was an error it's good to know that um uh and it's interesting because it says 237.

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34 meaning that error only showed up like 30 seconds ago which is also nuts because i hadn't noticed it so because i've been keeping an eye on it yeah that's that's so strange it's very strange um you created it with the jolts of your frequency you you you you wow you as a reflection of the we as the one cindy i'm so grateful super enlightening so many great areas explore together thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you so much thanks everyone for tuning in we greatly appreciate it we'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments below on the episode let us know what you're thinking also i would love for you to check out the links in the bio below uh sydneycampos.

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