Logan Paul & Team Maverick Interview Sadhguru

YouTuber Logan Paul and his Team Maverick get into a profound discussion with Sadhguru on spirituality, life, and the nature of the human being in this talk.

Yogi, mystic, and visionary, Sadhguru is a spiritual master with a difference. An arresting blend of profundity and pragmatism, his life and work serve as a reminder that yoga is a contemporary science, vitally relevant to our times.

Transcript

Do.

We have in our presence one of the most prominent,

Most viewed spiritual gurus in the world on the premises.

Ladies and gentlemen,

Sadhguru.

I made Maria found out you were coming.

I saw her standing behind the van and shooting me.

She was sweating.

I said,

Maria,

Why are you sweating?

She said,

I love this guy.

I follow all of this stuff.

And she says,

I think she's here somewhere.

She's right over there.

She's so excited for you to be here.

And when I was at Andres,

You know,

We're all waiting for you to show up.

And I don't know what to expect,

Right?

But you come cruising in on a motorcycle,

Took off your helmet and it's like a divine light just like was shining down on you.

And then you took your seat,

Sang a hymn and gave these nuggets of wisdom that made so much sense to me.

And you caught my attention when you began speaking by saying,

You were the one that was skeptical of everything.

I'm like you,

See it to believe the type of guy.

I'm trying.

So that's why I started growing up my beard because yours is obviously so long,

Plentiful,

Bountiful and full of wisdom.

But you caught my attention because the things you were saying seem so grounded in reality.

They seem so believable and practical,

Utilitarian and applicable to life and they made sense to me.

So just happy to have you here.

Andres,

Again,

Thank you for making this happen.

You know a lot about him and I want to turn to you to give us some talking points on where to start because one thing I learned in just listening to the event you held the other day was the man knows everything.

He's got the answers to everything.

No,

You know,

You do.

You have the answers to everything.

We got some relationship problems we want to ask you about.

Because none of us know what is everything,

So it's okay.

Fantastic,

Fantastic.

So yeah,

Brother,

Just appreciate you.

How you doing?

Thanks for joining us today.

Just rode for an hour from outside of LA.

Whoa,

The tarmac is burning hot.

This is nice.

Yeah,

It's hot today.

So you've just been traveling the past month over all across America on your motorcycle,

Correct?

Yeah,

And activating the conversation of spirituality and,

You know,

Getting to witness the beauty that the spiritual people here have and within the indigenous people and Native Americans.

And so what has been the most fascinating thing that you've been revealed and seen through your travels?

Fascinating.

Well,

There are too many things,

You'll need many days to listen to that.

So let me tell you the most prominent thing that stuck in my mind is Matottipila,

Which is unfortunately today being referred to as the devil's tower.

It is a phenomena that all of you young people must experience.

It is so incredibly powerful and so rare.

I don't think that form of energy which we refer to in the human body,

Can I elaborate a bit?

Or this is just an introduction.

So,

In the human body,

We recognize that for us to be so complex as,

You know,

We are the most complex creatures on this planet,

Which a whole lot of human beings are suffering unfortunately,

But the complexity is what makes our life rich.

To make this life so complex,

There are many,

Our energies of finding expression in many different ways.

We identify one hundred and fourteen different ways in which it's finding expression.

Of this,

It is categorized as seven.

So seven categories,

Which I think in California,

You would have heard of seven chakras and stuff like that.

In this there is one particular chakra which is referred to as the Vishuddhi,

A region which is in the throat region.

This is normally in I would say,

Ninety-nine percent of the human beings,

It remains in its seed form throughout their life,

It never blossoms,

This one aspect.

Because if this blossoms,

There is such power to that human being that he can touch beyond his physical reach,

Literally touch I'm saying.

Physically,

You can touch life which is beyond your physical reach,

You can see things beyond your visual capabilities.

So,

This is one of the most rarest aspects of human development,

Which happens only with a very few people who are concertedly focused on that.

But here there is a natural structure exuding that dimension in such a powerful way.

In many ways,

As I've been looking at the Native American culture,

Their spirituality and how they express themselves,

When I see in many,

Many ways,

The fundamental is this energy source.

Because if anybody wants to propagate or transmit spiritual process,

Transmit mystical dimensions,

It's very important that there's a solid energy source.

I was always wondering where is that energy source,

Because we always create one,

Before we transmit,

We create an energy source which is always like a backup.

Without that,

You will dissipate yourself.

But here there's a natural formation which is standing over eight hundred feet,

Phenomenally reverberating.

It's a must for all of you young people,

You must experience this.

I want to get into how you started this spiritual journey.

I found that fascinating.

When I listened to you speak at Andre's,

You were twenty-five years old.

Hmm,

Still am.

Still am,

I can tell.

Multiple successful businesses.

And you were praising the town as being a man of success,

A man who had made it.

I probably should let you tell the story about your life.

Again!

Well I asked,

I'm sure you've told this story so many times,

But our audience hasn't heard it,

Or some of them may have,

Some of them may have not.

And I know when I first heard it,

I found it fascinating.

So maybe just a brief introduction to how you got started into knowing everything in the universe.

I'm serious,

He has all the answers,

Wait till he starts.

So,

See I.

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This happened to me when I was just about four-and-a-half years of age.

Suddenly,

One day I realized,

Actually I don't know a thing.

Don't know a thing means just don't know anything.

If somebody gives me a glass of water,

I would be staring at this glass of water for hours.

Because I don't know what is water.

I know how to use it.

Even now,

You know how to use water.

But do you know what it is really?

Two hydrogen molecules and one oxygen.

Really?

That's textbook nonsense.

But what are molecules?

But what are atoms?

Like that?

Right now,

Two-thirds of the planet is water,

Covered with water,

Covered by water rather.

It is available in all the three states,

It's liquid,

Solid,

Air,

Gaseous,

Everything.

Wherever if we want to search for life,

We search for a drop of water.

Somebody finds a drop of water,

A trace of water in Mars,

And now we think life is possible.

So this is the very basis of our life.

But do we know what it is?

Actually,

With all the scientific exploration,

We do not know a single atom,

We know how to use it.

We.

.

.

Even the invisible atom,

We know how to break it,

How to fuse it,

How to make a bomb out of it,

How to kill everybody from it,

But we don't know what it is.

We don't know what it is.

So if I find a leaf,

I'm staring at it for four hours,

Five hours.

If I sit up in the night,

I'm just staring at darkness for hours.

My father being a physician,

He started thinking that I need psychiatric evaluation.

Doctors,

You know.

Yeah,

Maybe.

So,

See,

Oh,

It's him,

I thought.

So in this condition,

They sent me to school.

My mother said,

You must pay attention to the teachers,

You're always at something else.

So I went and paid attention to the teachers.

The kind of attention that they never imagined anybody would pay to them.

Nobody had ever paid that kind of attention.

I sit there and I know their past,

Present and future,

Staring at them,

Staring at them,

Staring at them.

Sometimes somebody said,

Don't stare at me like this.

I'm just a little boy,

Four,

Five year old boy.

But they're kind of uncomfortable the way I'm staring at them.

So I went to school and initially they started saying things and I sort of understood what they're trying to say.

And then I realized,

Teacher after teacher,

Coming and making actually sounds and sounds and sounds.

See right now,

I'm making sounds.

Because both of us think we know English language,

You're making meaning out of this.

Suppose I start speaking in any one of the Indian languages,

They will be just sounds for you,

Isn't it?

We're just making sounds.

This language is a conspiracy between two people.

I make this sound,

You make that meaning.

I thought,

I make that sound,

You make that meaning,

You know,

This is the whole thing.

So I stopped making meanings and just started listening to the sounds.

And every forty-five minutes,

A new teacher will come and make sounds and sounds and sounds,

It became very amusing.

And a big smile spread on my face.

But they were not amused at all.

So I saw that there was no point and I went to school only when it was absolutely necessary.

Rest of the time I kind of.

.

.

I had more interesting explorations in the world.

So one day it happened.

I mean now about eleven years ago,

This school where I studied almost forty-five years ago or more,

They came to invite me for their one hundred-and-twenty-fifth anniversary,

School anniversary.

I said,

See please,

Why me?

I was not just a bad student.

I was not even a student.

I only came when it was absolutely necessary.

Why me?

They said,

See our school has produced ministers in the cabinet.

Our school has produced sports stars.

Our school has produced cinema stars.

But you are the only mystic,

So you must come.

I said okay,

And I went.

I went there and stood up in the quadrangle to speak.

I looked around,

Same oppressive buildings.

And then I looked at this particular room and then I remember,

I was around twelve years of age.

One afternoon,

Because at that time,

I'm in this condition,

I don't know anything,

If I pay attention to something,

I can't take my eyes off it.

I'm just looking at it,

Still trying to figure it out,

What is it?

So they can't get my attention.

So he asked me a question something.

I just look at him.

I don't even hear the question,

Okay.

I hear sounds.

I don't make meanings out of it,

Something.

Everybody is blabbering something all the time.

So I just look at him and he tries to get an answer from me for about thirty-five,

Forty minutes.

He tries hard to get.

.

.

Make me say something.

When I don't know anything,

What is there to say?

So I was in that condition at that time.

For many days,

I wouldn't speak.

Because there's nothing to say,

What is there to say?

I don't know a thing.

So I was just looking at him.

After thirty-five,

Forty minutes of frustration,

He got so mad.

He came and held me by the shoulder,

Shook me violently like that and said,

You must either be the divine or the devil.

I think you're the later.

Well,

I was not insulted or abused by this.

My problem is,

What is this,

What is that,

What is that,

What is that?

One thing was clear,

This is me.

This guy confused me about this also.

I look like this,

What is this?

Is this divine or devil?

What the hell is this?

Suddenly I didn't know what is this.

Till now I was okay.

I did not know what anything about anything,

But I knew this is me.

Suddenly this guy confused me.

So that is when I started sitting with my eyes closed,

Trying to see what is this?

Well,

It took a few years,

Another twelve,

Thirteen years before I realized what is this.

See,

Right now,

What you call as myself is largely the boundaries of your body.

We can do an experiment actually.

Can you?

Sure,

Let's do it.

So,

You hold both your hands together and with your eyes closed,

What you do is,

You intensely rub it like this for about thirty seconds,

As intensely as possible.

It's going to get hot.

I don't like this.

I really don't like this.

Something on my skin is burning.

Now hold your palms about four inches away from each other.

Something happening between them?

Some kind of sensation happening between them?

Yeah,

My hands are hot.

Not about hands being hot,

Between the two palms.

Is there something happening?

I don't know.

Please try it again,

Not with pressure,

But with speed.

Yeah,

It feels like there's like a magnet between the two.

Yeah.

So there is a sensation.

What I'm trying to tell you is,

How did you fix the boundaries of your body?

See,

Right now,

Do one thing.

Take your right hand and touch your left hand.

Is that you?

Is that you?

Yes.

Touch the chair on which you're sitting.

Is that you?

No.

How do you know this?

Because I can get off of it and walk away in the chair.

Oh,

This whole lot of people have walked away from their body,

Haven't they?

What about all the dead people?

Don't they come back on Halloween?

I think,

I think the most important notion here is to understand that human experience is one hundred percent self-contained,

Which you talk about.

No,

No,

No.

That's not what I'm saying.

See,

Right now,

You're fixing the boundaries of who you are only from the boundaries of sensation.

Where there is sensation,

It's you.

Where there is no sensation,

It's not you,

Isn't it?

Could I just ask a question?

I don't want to get too far ahead,

But I want to bring this back for the impulsive audience who may not be aligned with this way of thinking or know who you are exactly,

Or your approach.

I have always been one to have a tough time with all this.

Me and Andre have had many conversations about it,

I'm open minded to it.

But at the end of the day,

I always have a Verizon bill to pay.

I have health insurance that needs me.

You go to the phone bills.

No,

No,

If you don't use the phone,

There are no bills actually.

Okay,

Great.

Great.

I love that,

But I've got bills to pay.

No,

No,

No,

Let's come to the Verizon later.

Right now,

First of all,

How do you define who you are and what you are?

Essentially,

Whatever is within the boundaries of your sensation is you.

Whatever is outside the boundaries of your sensation is something else,

Isn't it?

See,

Right now,

This water in this vessel,

Is this you?

Before paying the Verizon,

You need to drink water.

All right?

Is this you?

No,

It's not.

It's not.

It's not.

No.

See,

Like I said,

It's hard for me to get on your level to answer the question,

Is the water in the glass me?

You know,

I've been taught that the water in the glass is not me.

I'm trying.

Yes,

But if you drink it,

Will it become you?

See,

That's where I don't.

.

.

I don't know.

No,

No,

Right now,

Two-thirds of your body is water.

It is me.

It is you.

But then is it still you in the toilet after you pee it out as well?

That's up to you to decide.

Okay.

Then you'll get flustered.

I'm trying.

What are you going to decide?

Well,

I feel like it's more.

.

.

Kind of goes through,

You know what I mean?

Like a car.

.

.

No,

It doesn't go through,

Please.

Hello,

Hello.

It's not like gas.

I know,

It's not like gas or engine oil.

Here,

Your body is a certain composition of food that you've eaten,

Water that you drink and the air that you breathe.

Yes or no?

Yes.

So right now,

We're just using water as an example.

If it's here in this vessel,

It's definitely not you,

It's hundred percent clear.

But the moment you drink it,

It goes and integrates itself into this body on some level,

A part of it may go out,

That's a different matter,

But the rest of it stays,

All right?

So now that it is here,

This water which is in this body,

Are you not experiencing this as myself?

Hmm.

Yes.

Yes or no?

Yes.

Can I ask you a question?

And then no,

Like this is a legit question.

I'm very new to this.

No.

You're not new to life.

I'm only asking you simple questions.

I'm not too sure.

I don't know.

Sometimes I wake up and I'm like,

Okay,

I'm here today.

My question is this.

If the water is me and I drink the water.

.

.

No,

No,

I didn't say it's you,

I just asked your question.

Oh,

Okay.

So is it or is it not?

It wasn't.

Well,

He's in the middle of a spiel,

Bro.

He's not done yet.

So maybe,

Maybe put a pin in your question.

No,

No.

The simple thing is this.

Is it true,

Your body is an accumulation of food,

Water,

Air and whatever else you consumed?

Correct.

Yes.

So similarly,

The water is here.

It's not you,

You know that.

But the moment it's inside,

You experience this as myself,

Isn't it?

Why?

Because it's within the boundaries of your sensation.

So your idea of who you are is only because of the boundaries of your sensation.

If you touch this,

You know this is not me.

If you touch this,

You know this is me,

Because they're here,

There are sensations,

Here there are no sensations.

But boundaries of your sensation can be stretched.

Simply if you did this,

You will feel sensations between your arms,

Between your palms.

Well,

You have heard somebody had a whatever an unfortunate incident and they chopped off somebody's leg.

And still the experience of leg is still there,

Though the physical leg is not there.

Because there is a sensory body.

As there is a physical body,

There is a sensory body.

This sensory body,

How large it is depends on how intense your life energies are.

If your life energies are very effervescent and intense,

Your sensory body becomes larger than your physical body.

Why everybody is rubbing each other all the time is because they want to experience somebody else as a part of themselves.

If your sensory body became as large as this space,

You would experience everybody here as myself.

This is what you're thinking is love.

This is what you're thinking is sexuality.

All that's happening is your sensory body because of a certain moment of exuberance has expanded.

Because it's expanded,

Somebody feels like they're just a part of you at that moment.

So now,

What yoga means is,

You make your life energy so exuberant,

It takes some work.

You make it so exuberant,

If you sit here,

The entire universe is a part of you.

Because your sensory body is stretched like that.

So your whole experience of life as to what is you and what is not you is determined by where there are sensations,

It's you.

Where there are no sensations,

It's not you,

Isn't it?

Correct.

I'm on board.

Everybody is.

You have no choice.

Where I was going with that question,

I'm trying to phrase it the right way.

.

.

Just change the phone company.

Forget the phone company,

We don't need phones,

Right?

I guess.

.

.

Anyway,

In half the country that phone company doesn't work.

Right.

Got it.

Where I was going with it is just that I think to a lot of people that listen to this conversation,

This is a.

.

.

The conversation itself and the entire thought process is viewed by many people as a luxury.

A luxury that many people don't have the time,

The ability to sit in and to understand where does my life force end.

I have four kids,

We live in a one bedroom,

You know,

Apartment and you.

.

.

You shouldn't have made four kids if you have only one bedroom.

Right.

Okay,

Okay,

Cool.

Now we're talking about,

You know,

The morality of parenthood,

I get it.

But what I'm saying is people find themselves in circumstances,

Whether they plan to be there or not.

And life has a way of dictating how much energy we can.

.

.

We can devote to this type of extracurricular,

Some would call it paranormal,

Some would call it,

You know,

Theoretical thinking.

Just let me answer this question.

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You cannot put labels Whether sayCI,

Planning,

What we call that,

Something that comes the place.

We want to build something,

We wanted in our developing world a situation where when you give a person your life in.

.

Writing… alwaysAN oh,

Wait a minute sit down.

In the standard financial aid,

Yeah Wow!

Nature of our existence.

No,

No,

No,

We don't.

No,

That's not how it works.

I'm the water that I drank.

No,

No,

You don't come to a conclusion like that.

It is opening up one possibility.

This is for you to wonder what is the nature of my existence,

Which he thinks is a luxury.

I'm saying it's like this.

You want to handle something.

Let's say you want to handle this camera.

You know nothing about it and you handle it.

What will you produce,

I'm asking?

Probably some horse shit.

Yes.

That's what life is for most people.

That's what he's saying.

Horse shit.

In one room,

They had five children.

Why?

There's one room,

You should know what to do.

I'm with you.

I guess my question is,

If I go to the grocery store,

Right,

And I get to the register and I'm buying my lettuce and all of my organic vegetables,

I get to the register and they say,

You know,

That'll be sixty-two fifty.

No,

No,

This organic vegetable and all is too extracurricular,

Just buy it in Walmart.

Okay,

So I'm at the Walmart counter and they asked me for sixty dollars and I say,

But I have found out the fundamental principles of life and I have a life force that exists in between my hands when I rub them together.

What I'm getting at is how do you,

How do you enthrall and ignite the masses to take part in this conversation about what life means?

That's where I was trying to get to with this whole question.

That's what I was taking a long run.

I wanted to understand you're dismissing a whole lot of human beings as masses.

There are no masses.

There are individual human beings everywhere.

If you,

If you have the patience,

If you have the compassion,

If you have the involvement,

Even if you go into the slum,

There also there are individual human beings.

There is no slum dwellers there.

Hello?

Yes or no?

This mass of people,

There's no such people.

There are individual human beings.

Every one of them is concerned about his or her life.

Every one of them want to live well.

I'm saying if you want to use the camera well,

The first thing is to read at least the instruction manual even if you don't go for a training,

Isn't it?

Hello?

Isn't it so?

So I'm just talking about the instruction manual for such a complex machine that's been given to you.

The most sophisticated technology on the planet is this one,

The human mechanism.

Without knowing a thing about it,

If you think you can handle it well,

You cannot.

If I can just interject here real quick.

I think that for me when it comes to spiritual seeking,

It boils down to the question of who am I,

Right?

What is the nature of my existence?

And the pointing,

Right,

Is to understand who I am,

I have to first understand who I am not.

I feel like he was touching on like most people are so identified with their mind and their body processes and they think that is them.

So I think what he was trying to do is give a distinction as the separation of who you are and what your mind and body are.

See that is one aspect.

First of all,

I'm saying if you want to conduct anything well,

Will you conduct it well if you know everything about it or will you conduct it well if you know nothing about it?

That's all.

You talk.

.

.

You want to stand in the grocery line.

If you are smart,

You will never stand in a grocery line.

I have not stood in a grocery line for years.

All right,

In for decades.

Why?

Because you grow your own vegetables.

You have a green thumb.

It doesn't matter.

But somehow,

You will not end up doing basic things for the rest of your life.

You will get to do something better.

Because every human being is wanting to do something better,

Wanting to do something bigger,

Wanting to live bigger.

Yes or no?

Yes,

But I don't think many human beings are willing to activate on their desires.

I say this all the time.

Everyone wants bigger,

Better,

Faster,

More expensive,

More valuable.

They are only complaining like this.

Right,

But aren't willing to do what it needs to happen.

Those who are willing to understand what is the nature of their life and act upon it.

So the curiosity that would lead to the answer to that question,

And it also.

.

.

It sounds like what originally drove you to meditate on that mountain.

Because I know again,

At 25 years old there,

You had like a spiritual awakening where you said every cell in your body was some sort of ecstasy.

You had no sense of time and you kept having these revelations.

And one time you sat outside for 13 days and you opened your eyes and you thought it had been what I think you said 25 minutes.

So did that sense of curiosity,

Is that what led you to go down the path you went?

See,

We must understand,

It is intrinsic to human intelligence to want to know something more than what is there.

If you leave your dog out here,

He's just sniffing out everything.

Even he's curious,

He wants to know everything that's there in this garden.

What's wrong with the human beings?

The only thing that's wrong is they've arrived at too many conclusions,

Either because of religious beliefs or philosophical beliefs or ideologies or some nonsense that they've concluded and they've lost the sense of the intrinsic nature of your intelligences,

Wants to expand,

Wants to know.

This is not somebody has to teach it to you.

This is natural,

You leave a child,

It wants to look at everything,

Isn't it?

So where did you lose it?

Because you made up your philosophies of socialism.

I,

If I can just riff on that just for a second,

For me when I was growing up,

A lot of my friends called me,

Like they gave me the title of truth seeker and it was because I asked so many questions for a latency and try to poke holes in what a lot of people would say.

And I really unplugged.

You can do it.

I believe in you.

And so you speak about how creating conclusions and beliefs about the world when if you really scope out and take a macro view of like,

We really don't know what's going on here within humanity.

We scope out and we see that we're a blue marble,

Early around a gas of fire at incredible speeds.

It's like,

Take yourself back and realize that the beliefs that I made about,

You know,

Just dogmas and religions and politics and everything that you hold so close is hindering us from being able to look at things for what they actually are.

And so if you could just speak on how creating beliefs and conclusions about everything destroy our ability to seek,

I think it would be very valuable.

See when you say I believe something,

What does it mean?

I'll ask you a simple question.

Can I?

Sure.

Extracurricular question.

How many of you believe in God?

Just raise one hand.

Okay.

How many of you believe you have two hands?

Just raise one hand.

Do you believe you have two hands?

No.

Just to prove it.

So I'm asking you,

Do you believe you have two hands or do you know that you have two hands?

Both.

Really?

Yeah.

Both.

If you know you have two hands,

Where is the need to believe you have two hands?

One follows the other.

No.

Why not?

If you know something,

Why do you have to believe it?

If I know something,

Why do I have to believe it?

Yeah,

You know it?

I believe one follows the other.

No,

No.

I believe the truth.

I have two hands,

That's the truth,

I believe it.

See,

See the word believe means,

The word believe essentially means you do not know something,

But you believe it is so.

Sure,

But you could believe and know something.

See,

I believe you are a good guy.

What does it mean?

See,

You don't know that.

I don't know.

And that's what I'm saying,

I don't know.

I don't know what you are,

But I believe you're a good guy.

I believed he is nice and I went to him and he was terrible.

So you're saying forget about the belief and just stick to the way we go?

No,

No,

I'm not saying,

But first understand the distinction between knowing something and believing something.

So whatever we do not know,

It is most wonderful of you and human of you to see I do not know,

Because I do not know is a tremendous possibility,

Tremendous possibility.

The moment you destroy I do not know,

Your entire learning and expansion processes come to a cease.

And this is what you're doing with your belief,

That you believe this,

You believe that.

All these days people were saying I believe God.

Now they're saying in California,

I believe in myself.

I don't know what that means.

I believe in God.

And I do know that there's a God.

So you're saying to sacrifice my belief?

I am not asking you to do anything.

I'm asking you to look at the distinction between knowing something and not knowing something.

This would be tricky for Christians saying that.

I don't want to get into a religious debate here.

All I'm saying is there is no,

No,

I'm talking about belief.

I didn't even talk about religious belief.

Other religions and nonsense.

When?

Like right before you got into this room.

I don't think you can say that.

I didn't say that.

I'll check it.

But yeah,

I promise.

Can I ask you to believe that I said it?

We knew this was going to happen today.

We're not experts.

Just bear with us.

I'm going to stand by my co-host here.

He's going to eat shit on that.

What is the metric for which something goes from belief to knowledge?

Not knowledge.

We're talking about knowing.

Let me make a distinction between knowledge and knowing.

Knowledge is an accumulated information.

I know this,

This and that by knowledge means I have accumulated information.

Today everybody is knowledgeable about everything.

This doesn't mean to say they know it.

They know it through the phone screen,

Everything in the universe,

But they don't know it by experience of anything.

So knowing is by experience.

I have two hands.

Is my knowing,

I know it is there.

All right,

Even if I close my eyes,

It's there.

If you argue with me,

It's there.

It's there anyway.

So belief is something else.

Right now I know something,

I do not know something.

These are two facts of life.

If you live in truth,

You will know some things,

You will not know some things.

What you do not know,

Naturally your intelligence will want to know.

You don't have to seek it consciously.

The moment you see,

I do not know,

Your intelligence will start working.

The in-between thing is what you do not know,

You want to believe and make yourself feel like you know it.

And that's caused tremendous trouble to human beings,

Assuming things that they do not know.

I think that's one of the biggest problems we're facing right now in our country.

I don't know how well you've been here.

But I think it's safe to say,

America is probably the most divided it's ever been,

Especially with the pandemic going on.

Well,

You had a civil war,

This is better than that.

Yeah,

It is better than that.

I wonder how close we are to something like that happening.

No,

Like truth,

Truthfully,

We at least in time everybody gets hot.

It's okay.

I wanted to build off of his knowing versus believing.

I don't remember which school of thought if it was Plato or Aristotle,

But do you believe that all knowledge comes from what is gathered by one of the sensory parts of life,

By one of the senses?

Is that your belief,

You see something,

You believe,

You smell something,

You believe it or is there a.

.

.

Or is there room for faith?

Is there room for metaphysical understanding of certain things?

Do you leave that open or do you have to experience it through one of the senses?

See here,

If you go by your sensory perception,

Right now I touch this and I say it's cool.

No,

I don't know what this is.

Only because it's cooler than my body.

I'm saying it's cool.

If somebody else who is much cooler than me touches this,

They'll say this is warm.

Yes or no?

So I'm saying your experience of senses is a very relative experience.

It's good enough for survival,

Not good enough for knowing the nature of what it is.

For survival process,

You're seeing,

Hearing,

Smelling,

Tasting,

Touching,

Which is what you're saying,

To go to the grocery store,

All this is good enough.

But if you want to know what it is,

You cannot know through your senses.

How do you know?

I want to get into that.

How do you find out what it really is beyond your senses?

What's the.

.

.

What's the practice that gets you there?

It's not about a practice.

First of all,

See if you want to cross a border,

First you must get to the border,

Isn't it?

Right now you want to go to Mexico,

You can't go from here,

You must at least get to the border first.

So if you want to know,

This is why I started with the border,

But you went into something else.

I said the border of your experience is sensations.

If something comes and touches,

It's a sensation.

If you see something,

It's a certain kind of sensation.

If you smell something,

It's a certain kind of sensation.

Everything in your experience is sensation.

It may not be sensational,

But it is sensation.

That is why we're calling them as sense organs.

They create sensations in the system.

These sensations are vital if you want to live in this world,

If you want to survive in this world.

Otherwise you wouldn't know anything.

Suppose you had no ears,

Eyes,

Nose,

Nothing.

Would you know what is here?

Nothing,

Isn't it?

Total blank.

You fall asleep,

What is happening?

Your heart is beating,

Your liver is functioning,

Kidneys are functioning,

Everything functioning.

Now they're telling you even your brains are functioning.

But you don't know a thing,

Simply because all the five gates of sensations have closed down,

Isn't it?

So your experience of life is right now limited to sensory perception.

And that is the reason all this confusion,

Because the nature of sensei.

.

.

Sensory perception is such,

If you see this part of my hand,

You cannot see this part of my hand,

Isn't it?

So you always perceive everything in parts.

Now with these parts,

You're trying to make a whole.

It doesn't work like that.

Right now,

People's understanding of what creation is,

What existence is,

Is it's a trillion piece jigsaw.

But they find three pieces,

Put it together and they form something and say,

This is it,

This is it,

I believe this is what it is.

You can believe whatever you want.

If we work hard enough on you from your childhood,

We can make you believe any damn thing in the universe.

Just know this.

Right.

I agree with that.

So the question of humanity is that is that is that because our brains have not developed to a point where we are no longer limited by what we see,

Feel,

Touch,

Smell here,

Or is there a way to break that boundary and have you done it?

See,

Human brain there's nothing deficient about it.

The deficiency is people are trying to operate without using the user's manual.

They don't know a damn thing about their brains.

That is a problem because they have lots of beliefs.

They have lots of beliefs and beliefs and beliefs.

So they can't use their brains.

But the moment you see I do not know something,

Do you see your brain starts working in a certain way?

I think saying I don't know is one of the most powerful statements in the world.

It starts exploring immediately.

It's through exploration.

You have come to America,

I'm saying,

Isn't it?

People came to America because of exploration,

Not because they believed.

Nobody believed there was a land here.

They thought they were going to India.

Yesterday somebody asked me,

What is.

.

.

What is your experience of,

You know,

That Columbus landed in America and called the people here Indians?

What do you think about it?

How do you feel?

I said,

I'm glad he didn't land in India,

But I'm sorry he landed here.

You talk about this necessity for curiosity and this I don't know or questioning.

.

.

See,

Don't use the word curiosity.

Curiosity is a very surface thing.

But when you realize I do not know,

There is a pain of not knowing.

Right.

And it leads to that questioning,

Right?

One of the things that some people use that aren't as,

You know,

That don't sit on a meditation system to get to that place of questioning and not knowing and being open to looking at things in new ways.

.

.

Supply some vocabulary.

What's that?

Seeking.

Seeking.

Thank you so much.

Like I said,

Brand new to this.

One thing some of these people use is mind altering drugs,

Ayahuasca,

Psilocybin,

Sergic acid.

What are your thoughts on getting to this place of understanding through alternate needs?

See,

It's like you can jinx the brain to create all kinds of experiences.

Just by strongly dreaming about it,

You can do it actually.

People do it.

You can hypnotize somebody and make them go through all kinds of things.

If you're only hunting for experiences,

It's fine.

But what I'm talking is not about hunting for experiences,

A genuine exploration.

If you put on a VR and sit here,

You may go to Mars right now.

But you've not gone to Mars,

That's all I'm saying.

So by making some chemical changes forcefully,

By introducing something,

Whether it's of natural origin or it came from the backstreet of something,

It doesn't matter where it came from,

You stimulate something chemically and an experience happened.

If you.

.

.

If you did it just one time and you.

.

.

You use this as a way to understand that I'm capable of these experiences.

You know,

Yesterday,

I was just doing the daily quote today morning.

The quote was something like this,

If I can repeat that.

It is like,

Whatever was the most wonderful and the peak level of emotion or experience you had,

Make that your baseline in your life.

Because you're capable of that,

All right?

You're capable of that,

What you're capable of must happen.

What you're not capable of will not happen,

That's a different matter.

What is.

.

.

What you're capable.

.

.

If you're level.

.

.

If you're capable of a certain level of joy,

That must be your baseline.

Now you will explore what's beyond.

Now most people think these peak experiences happen only when somebody loves me,

Only when I pop this pill,

Only when I smoke this stuff,

This is a wrong way to do it.

If you used it just once to understand that my body and my,

You know,

Experience is capable of reaching such a peak and then you start living there,

That's great.

But every time you have to pop something and tomorrow you're sick,

What's the point of that?

So I have your peace and happiness.

I know I've asked you all,

What do you truly want,

Right?

What do you truly want in this life?

And we,

In the 3D material world are chasing a lot of things because of the feeling that it's going to give us,

Right?

And so peace and happiness seems to be the answer amongst a lot of people that I ask.

And I hear you talk about how peace should be the fundamental baseline foundation in which you live,

Not the highest aspiration.

So if you could speak for people that don't have that peace currently within their life and want that to be the basis for their whole life,

How can they do that?

Sadhguru – See,

This is the most unfortunate thing in the world,

That most human beings just do not know how to be at ease.

They're not even at ease.

Forget about joy,

Forget about blissfulness.

There is no ease,

They're all in this jangled state.

And now they say,

This is how human beings are.

Doctors say because that's their business.

For pharmaceutical companies say that's their business.

See,

For example,

United States,

We are here in USA.

So let's take this as an example.

This is the most affluent country on the planet right now.

Why does an individual person or a society or a nation seek affluence?

In the first stage of affluence,

It's a choice of nourishment,

I can eat what I want.

If I'm hungry,

I'm thinking of money,

Why?

Because if I have money,

I can eat whatever I want.

In the second level of affluence,

It's the lifestyle,

I can live the way I want,

I can do things that I want to do.

So now in the most affluent country where there is a choice of nourishment,

And a choice of lifestyles like nowhere else,

Why are you spending 3.

25 trillion dollars as your healthcare?

Something must be wrong with you.

Hello?

When you have a choice of nourishment and choice of lifestyle,

Why are you sick,

I'm asking?

3.

25 trillion dollars is more than India's budget,

All right?

Annual budget for 1.

2 billion people.

So where do we go wrong?

That's what we are looking at.

No,

It's not about greed.

The problem is without understanding,

If you do not know how this camera functions and you use it,

I'll assure you this is going to break down in three days.

Yes or no?

One who knows it,

They may use it for a lifetime.

One who does not know it,

Will break it in three days,

Yes or no?

That's all you're doing?

No,

No,

It's not about them.

You are in charge of your life,

You don't know a thing about this.

Because you think by fixing the outside world,

Everything will be okay.

Because roads are done,

Bridges are done,

Airplanes are flying,

You think everything is done.

No.

A human experience essentially happens from within you.

Outside conducive atmospheres we want to create,

That is there.

See,

It's like this.

If you look at it,

He articulated this in one way,

Essentially what is it that you want?

You want pleasantness of the body.

If body becomes pleasant,

We call it health.

Do you want it?

So badly.

Yes.

If it becomes very pleasant,

We call it pleasure.

If mind becomes pleasant,

We call this peace.

If it becomes very pleasant,

We call this joy.

If your emotions become pleasant,

We call this love.

If it becomes very pleasant,

We call it compassion.

If your very life energies become pleasant,

We call this blissfulness.

If it becomes very pleasant,

We call it ecstasy.

If your surroundings become pleasant,

We call it success.

Only to create your surroundings in a pleasant manner,

You need the cooperation of all these people.

But for pleasantness of body,

Pleasantness of mind,

Pleasantness of emotion and energy,

It is one-hundred percent your business,

Yes or no?

So only to create pleasantness around us,

We need that because there are many forces involved,

We need help from them,

We need cooperation from them.

Otherwise,

Anybody can make it nasty right now.

But what happens in your body,

What happens in your mind,

In your emotion and your energy is absolutely your business.

If you take charge of this,

Creating pleasantness in the atmosphere,

You're at least competent to do it.

Otherwise,

You're always at somebody else's mercy.

Why everybody wants to meet the most wonderful person?

Why?

I'm asking you,

Why the hell are you not that wonderful person?

Why are you looking for that wonderful person to mess them up?

Speaker 1 – Andre brought up something which is near and dear to me and this is this fight or quest for inner peace.

And I speak about this a little bit and you speak about people's inability to understand and to not ask the right questions or to not seek properly.

What are your thoughts on underlying mental health conditions as a combatant to people's ability to find that inner peace?

Do you believe in true mental health as scientifically diagnosed or you're not a believer in it?

I'm not a believer or a disbeliever of anything.

I'm willing to look at every aspect of life as it is.

Is that okay?

Because you… Everything is okay.

Who minds saying that it's not okay?

No,

No,

Because you're continuously coming back to belief,

Believe… do you believe this,

Do you believe that I don't believe a damn thing,

Nor do I disbelieve anything.

What happens when you die?

Why are you making me die,

Why don't you ask the question with yourself?

What happens when I die?

Some things you know best only by experience.

Sure,

You want me to die right here,

Right now?

No,

Because you want to experience it.

This will get a lot of views,

I'll tell you that much and I won't do it.

But seriously,

So you… based on what you just said,

Technically you don't have a belief on what happens when you die,

But surely you think something… I've just this year,

In the month of February,

I published a book called Death,

Which is on a top seller of selling lists for the last ten months.

Continuously,

The book is titled as Death – An Inside Story.

It's only for those who shall die.

Great marketing,

Great marketing.

Everybody's like,

This book is for me,

One hundred percent I'll take it.

You're a great marketer,

So what happens when I die?

Well,

I… well,

Maybe not me,

But like,

Does one go to heaven?

Well,

Which heaven you want to go,

Because every religion has their own heaven.

This is where it gets tricky.

Now,

Now… See,

I'll tell you,

Because you do not know what is in the heaven,

Let me describe it to you.

In the Hindu heaven,

Food is very good.

If you're a foodie,

That's where you must go.

In the other heaven,

There are,

You know,

Long white gown ladies floating in the sky.

You like that means you go there.

In another place,

In another place,

You will encounter virgin problems.

If that's what you're looking for,

You go there.

But what do you have to do to go there?

You got to die first.

This is important thing.

When you die,

Depending on your culture,

We will either bury you,

Burn you,

Cut you and throw you to the birds,

Do something with your body,

Because this body is a piece of this planet.

When your job is done,

You must put it back.

If you've not done anything eco-friendly,

At least this much you must do,

Put the damn body back.

Some people are talking about going to Mars with it.

All right?

You must put it back.

That is one sensible thing to do.

I'm telling everybody in United States,

I know I will become very unpopular.

Why are you wasting cutting a tree when a man dies?

At least plant a tree,

Because you make good manure.

Interviewer – Have you seen those,

Have you seen those sacks?

Have you seen the.

.

.

Sadhguru – Yes,

I know.

Interviewer – There's these sacks,

You can place your body in and a tree will grow.

Sadhguru – I know you don't need a sack also.

In India,

We just wrap them in a cloth with salt and everything and we put them there and plant a tree.

All right?

Interviewer – I got to ask you,

Is Mars out of play,

Like in the way of.

.

.

That you seek?

How can I ask this question properly?

Like if I get buried on Mars,

Is Mars out of play?

Sadhguru – Your body material,

Unless you want to be exported to another planet,

You have this material you picked up from this planet.

When your job is done,

It's best to give it back because it's just a loan.

Interviewer – Well,

Some girls.

.

.

Sadhguru – No,

No,

Mother Earth gave you this body thinking that you will use it for your well-being and put it back when your job is done.

You want to steal it and run away somewhere.

Interviewer – Well,

Some girl at Whole Foods once told me that I was just made of stardust.

She was very convincing of it.

She said,

We're all just stardust.

Sadhguru – All right.

Interviewer – I guess she's wrong.

Wait,

I.

.

.

I guess what I'm getting at is this,

Like.

.

.

Sadhguru – No,

Let's.

.

.

Let's finish this.

So these are all different offerings in the heaven.

But the.

.

.

This thing is you must die first.

When you die,

We put your body here no matter what,

In which form we put it,

We put it somewhere,

Either in a sack or a box or whatever,

We put it here.

So you went to heaven and you don't have a body.

Now what do you do with good food and virgins,

I'm asking?

Interviewer – Oh,

If you have no body,

How could you take advantage of a good food and the virgins?

I thought just like you're.

.

.

It's like spirit food.

Well,

Well,

Here's why this is tricky because say.

.

.

Say you die at a very young age.

Seriously,

This is where I get confused.

What goes to heaven,

Your soul?

Great.

Is your soul,

Is it.

.

.

Sadhguru – Which soul,

Right or left?

Interviewer – The left soul on my shoe.

Is it the soul.

.

.

Say.

.

.

Say.

.

.

Unfortunate.

.

.

Something unfortunate happens,

A five-year-old dies.

Is the fi.

.

.

Does the soul of the five-year-old go to heaven or hell as a five.

.

.

As a five-year-old soul?

This will go as the soul of the age as it went?

Sadhguru – See,

The problem is there is no.

.

.

There is no line between what you know and do not know.

That's why all this confusion.

Right now,

You do not know the nature of your existence.

But you're talking about a soul because somebody told you so.

I'm not questioning whether it's true or not.

All I'm saying is you do not know.

Hello?

Somebody may be.

.

.

Something may be true,

But you do not know.

That's the important thing.

Because unless it comes into your experience,

It's not there,

Isn't it?

See,

Right now,

If I close my eyes and sit here and doze off,

All these people don't exist because they're not in my experience.

Isn't it so?

It's only what is in your experience which is true for you.

Rest you're just assuming.

If you concretize your assumptions,

That's called belief.

So you say,

Chase experiences?

Are you afraid of dying?

I don't play that.

It looks like you're a person who loves life.

See,

Life is not my decision.

Life has happened to me,

Okay?

If we were able to cause life,

That's different.

We didn't cause it.

Something much bigger than us caused life for us.

Now,

It's your business to see that it happens at the highest point.

Because you've been given an intelligence,

You've been given a capability,

You must see it happens at the highest point.

When I say highest point,

Not in a social context,

But within you,

You must be at your peak.

Otherwise,

You're a wasted life.

You have concerns that you have to pay your Verizon's bill,

So you go with the long face on the street.

No,

The thing is just this,

Right now the only and only and only thing that you have is life.

Rest is all your assumption.

Can I take a second to get sort of personal and Andre,

You did a,

Someone brought it up at your event.

The story of your wife was- It's not a story.

The reality of your wife.

I don't know how to fathom what occurred,

But it kind of goes along what you were just talking about,

About living at the peak.

And on Saturday,

I heard you speak or Sunday,

I heard you speak and you talked about her having the desire to go at what she felt was her peak.

And in meditation,

Correct me if I'm wrong,

In meditations,

She made the conscious decision to leave this planet.

Is it a question or it's a statement?

I'm trying to phrase coming from someone again who's just gotten immersed in this world,

Having that level of whether you want to call it enlightenment,

Connectedness,

Knowingness,

Seems unfathomable to me.

See,

You're living in a culture where the only dream is to survive better than somebody else.

In the last two hundred years,

That's been the only dream,

How to be better than everybody else,

Survive little better,

Have little more than everybody else.

But you're also,

Right now you and me are sitting on a land where for people,

The distinction between life and death was very thin in their understanding and experience of life.

The Native American people lived like this.

I was amazed to see that only recently I discovered that they are talking about a doorway in.

.

.

In top of the head.

They're saying there is a doorway.

They call it by something of their own language,

Sai.

.

.

What?

Okay?

Kappavi,

Which is a doorway that you can open up and leave.

It is through that life came and it is through that you can exit.

This is a well-established science in India.

And there are any number of yogis who left their body like this,

Sitting among people,

Announcing to everybody,

Today I will leave and just leave.

Like taking off a pair of clothes.

Like taking off a pair of clothes.

Yes,

Of course,

Because you put this on.

You put on the body,

Isn't it?

Slowly over a period of time.

If what you accumulate,

If you can't put it down,

Are you stuck or no?

Suppose you picked up this vessel and you cannot put it down,

It's stuck to your hand.

Is it a good thing?

No.

Slowly you put on this body,

It's stuck to you,

You don't know how to keep it down.

That's a terrible thing.

That's what people are suffering right now,

Being stuck in their bodies.

They don't know what to do.

So what Mahasamadhi means is,

It's not that they left and went to another planet or something.

They just dissolved as a person.

There is no persona anymore.

So it's a different dimension of life.

I think this is too light,

An uncommitted atmosphere to debate or discuss such a thing.

If you're interested,

I will talk to you in a different kind of atmosphere where there would be better understanding.

And above all,

I don't want to casually discuss my wife with a whole bunch of people who don't understand what it is.

Who don't understand what it is.

Again,

I feel like that can go over a lot of people's head.

Anyway,

This question came up the other day also,

It seems to be bothering all of you.

Let me put it this way.

The other day also somebody asked a question,

I don't remember who.

And they said like this,

It happened,

Will you not marry again?

So I'm saying I don't come from that kind of background.

One person falls off,

Pick up another one tomorrow morning.

I don't come from that kind of thing,

Because life smelled it in a certain way.

And that person evolved to a point where I did not imagine that that person would evolve like that.

Beyond my imagination,

Beyond my expectation,

Something was done,

Something that is considered so phenomenal and secret in the entire culture and in the yogic culture,

It is always considered that way.

So when the atmosphere is like that,

I don't want to sit and discuss my wife with all the people.

I totally get it.

I'm sorry if I overstepped any boundaries,

I just,

The whole thing is fascinating to me.

Yeah,

I think,

You know,

From religion to responsibility,

From solace to solution,

I hear in these conversations,

And I'm really curious with the privilege that we have right now in this gathering and with Logan's influence and the influence of many people that are watching this,

They don't know where to begin.

It seems like a lot,

And it goes over their head.

And so… No,

No,

It's very easy to make it very clear where to begin,

Unless you hop in with in-between things like this.

Right now,

Standing in the rick-rocery queue is not even on his mind,

All right?

He's just throwing it,

Because he thinks that is a philosophy which will counter everything.

I want to tell you,

I read my Menkemf when I was eleven,

Twelve,

And I've become a strong activist.

When I'm just twelve,

Thirteen,

And at fourteen,

Fifteen,

I'm thinking of joining a… joining armed struggle.

So it's not new to me,

That kind of logic,

That kind of rhetoric,

As if it's a solution for everything.

Yes,

Intellectually it looks like socialism,

Communism seems to be the ultimate solution.

Please try it to enforce it and see what a mess it becomes.

Go and see in other parts of the world where it's become an absolute mess,

All right?

So this is not because… this is not because I like something,

You dislike something,

It's not about that.

Ultimately,

When it comes to life,

What really works for maximum number of people,

That is the important thing,

Isn't it?

Regardless of the success rate of communism or socialism or the grocery line way of thinking,

Right,

That I'm stuck in or have not thought my way out of,

It is the way of things in this world right now,

In many places,

Maybe not so much in other places.

What is the reason for that?

Is it the teaching of the parents?

Is it the education system?

Is it mostly religion?

Who is the main perpetrator when it comes to set belief systems?

And as opposed to giving us a starting point for creating new belief systems,

How do you create a desire for the teachers of the next generation to look out,

Think outside the box?

See,

For a long time,

In the name of religion,

In the name of philosophy,

In the name of ideologies of variety of kind,

All sorts of things have been promised.

And all the promises are elsewhere,

Not here.

I'm saying,

Because you're all continuously talking about belief,

If you believe there is a better place than where we are right now up there,

Why are you not gone,

I'm asking?

Doesn't make sense to me.

If you genuinely believe there is up there a better place than this,

You should be gone,

Isn't it?

Hello?

Well,

Based on the religions that people utilize to believe in this better place,

We don't get to choose the day.

The day is chosen.

.

.

You can choose the day.

Hold on a sec.

You can choose the day,

It's very simple.

Well,

I think it just speaks into what we were talking about earlier,

Right?

If we really knew that there was something outside after we died,

There was a heaven that we really knew,

If we actually knew,

Then yeah,

I would want to go right now.

But because it's a belief,

That becomes a difficulty.

I'd like to hear George speak.

That's wrong.

So,

Like you said,

Life was given to us,

So we're not allowed to take it.

For example,

I can't take my own life and I can't take Mike's life.

So redeem the reward that the Lord has given to me at the end of my time,

When he has chosen my time,

Not me,

Because I haven't gone through what he needs me to go through.

I agree with you.

You have no.

.

.

You or anybody has no right to take life,

Yours or somebody else's.

That is given,

All right?

But I'm saying,

Why is it that the idea of a better place than this has come is because right now people are suffering within themselves,

All right?

Why are they suffering?

I want you to understand this,

Whether it's joy or suffering,

Essentially both of them are happening from within you.

Is that so?

If it's happening from within you,

What happens from within you,

At least what happens from within you,

Must happen your way,

Isn't it?

If it happens your way,

Would you be blissful or miserable?

I wake up every single day blissful,

Blissful I would absolutely.

Not presumed,

Tell me,

If you had a choice,

Would you make it pleasant or unpleasant for yourself?

Pleasant,

I would probably go pleasant.

Yes.

If you were feeling very pleasant,

Would you be always thinking of going to another place which is more pleasant?

No.

Right now the entire human,

This thing is set up on a better place somewhere else.

So before,

Like,

Because a lot of you,

If I say this,

People are going to comment down below,

Okay,

I'm sure you feel that your place is great.

But coming from a 2005,

Like five,

George,

Where I'm working at a nine to five every single day,

And I do have a boss to answer to,

And I do have bills to pay,

And I do have responsibilities that I do not want to take part of.

I still found those days just as joyful as the situation I have now because I invited the Lord into my life.

So you're saying,

Why don't you just go there now?

I'm saying.

.

.

No,

No,

I'm not saying you should go there now.

No,

But you're saying.

.

.

No,

I'm not saying you're saying,

But I'm saying if that was the idea of like,

If okay,

If there's a better place in heaven,

Why don't they just go now?

My combat was why don't you just bring heaven here with you?

I think that's what he's saying.

That's what I'm saying.

You're actually,

Ironically,

You're both on the same page,

Which is great.

But I don't.

.

.

I am still looking forward to something greater,

But I'm also bringing it here.

So I feel like religion can do that.

And I feel like.

.

.

See,

I've never said a word,

I don't know from where you're getting this,

I have never said a word,

This is it or that is it.

All I'm saying is,

Instead of simply seeing what I do not know,

As I do not know,

You're making up things in your mind.

Now,

Is it true that major religions on the planet,

Unfortunately,

Are on a collision course all the time?

True,

True,

True.

Why?

Because I believe one thing,

You believe another thing.

After all,

It's just belief.

Why don't we change it?

The way it works.

Because belief means you made it up.

I think just the respect of you have your beliefs,

I have my beliefs,

We could still be on the same page.

But it's not worked right.

I mean,

We're still growing.

.

.

Millions of.

.

.

Hundreds of millions of people have died in the last five hundred years because of my religion versus your religion.

Is that a fact?

True.

Yes.

I want you to believe,

I want you to know this,

That all these people genuinely believe that they're doing the right thing when they kill the other people.

They believed hundred percent.

Right now,

That man who goes and explodes himself somewhere,

He believes.

.

.

See,

Anybody who's.

.

.

Who stakes his life for something,

You can't question his integrity,

Isn't it?

I'm willing to throw my life for something.

I'd like your question,

It depends what you're doing it for.

Yeah,

I'm doing it for my god.

It's different than your god.

Did you see what he's saying?

Yeah,

But true,

But if your god interferes with my life,

Then.

.

.

So that.

.

.

So what you just described is why.

.

.

Exactly.

That's what I'm saying.

I want.

.

.

I want you to understand every religion starts off with this.

If you worship the false gods,

You must.

.

.

What terrible thing should happen to you?

So that has been the basis,

Unfortunately.

What you think is right is ab.

.

.

This is absolutism,

That you think this is absolute.

Something else is not okay.

I'm saying the thing is,

The most fundamental thing is if you're truthful,

If you're sincere about your life,

What you know,

You know.

What I do not know,

I do not know.

If you really look at it,

You hardly know anything about anything.

That's a fact.

And just when you're walking on the street,

If you do not know how you walk on the street,

If you think you know how you walk on the street,

Is there a difference?

You're a bulldozer when you think you know what.

.

.

Everything.

When you don't know,

You are a humble,

Nice,

Wonderful guy,

Isn't it so?

Depending on what arena you work in,

Being the humble,

Nice guy may not always be the winning tactic.

How do you.

.

.

How do you bring that humility into the sales world,

Into the stock world,

Or should those worlds cease to exist?

So Guru.

.

.

See,

You're talking to me like I'm living in some Himalayan cave and I've just come up.

I want you to understand,

I'm running.

.

.

I'm running an organization with over eleven million volunteers,

With variety of activity across the world,

All right?

With various active projects which are every day have to be done,

And businesses that have to be done,

And the people on my hands all the time.

So I'm not coming from a cave where I have no responsibilities,

I have no nothing,

I have nothing to manage.

I'm sitting here and talking La La Land to you.

Come on.

So I guess what you're saying is,

These exercises,

These practices,

This seeking is something that could be layered into the lives of just about anyone.

Please tell me this.

I'll do my best.

It doesn't matter what kind of job you're doing.

Even if you're a soldier fighting a war,

Would it help to be very balanced,

Sane,

Joyful,

And then you will do.

.

.

Even if you have to kill,

You will only do it to the extent you have to,

Nothing more,

Nothing less.

Right now people are taking pleasure in doing what they're doing,

Isn't it?

Something has to be done sometimes,

Unfortunately,

If the situations force you to do it,

But you will do it only to the extent it's necessary.

But if you are not in that state,

If there is a certain level of angst,

There is a certain level of anger and hatred in you,

You will do things beyond the limits of what should be done.

This has happened all over the world.

In the name of nationhood,

In the name of religion,

In the name of race,

In the name of caste,

Creed,

Every kind of thing,

In gender,

Every kind of thing,

People have done horrendous things.

Why?

Because they believe this is it,

That is it,

Absolutism.

If you see,

I do not know,

You will walk gently.

Absolutism is the devil.

Can I say that accurately?

You're getting religious once again.

Absolutism,

No good.

The worst.

I have a question,

Never taken a sip of alcohol,

Right?

You ever taken a sip of alcohol?

I don't need to because I'm always drunk.

Let's go.

Ever smoked weed?

I'm always told you,

You've not seen my eyes yet.

Oh,

Oh,

Oh,

Oh,

I know that,

I know that.

So straight edge.

But I'm wondering as a fellow person who's curious about life to the highest degree,

Or as you would say seeking,

How have you not had the desire to try?

See,

You're living in Los Angeles,

You think that is where life is.

No sir,

I don't.

I'm from Ohio.

Okay.

Why also I heard a lot of overdoses last two months.

Yeah,

Yeah.

So see,

You're living in a certain society,

You think this is the only way to explore.

I came up in a place where I made sure I'm not influenced by anything,

Either whatever the religion around me,

The family around me,

The community around me,

The politics around me,

I made sure none of those things influenced me.

If nothing influences you,

It's a.

.

.

I keep telling people,

See,

I'm absolutely uneducated.

They think uneducation means not going to school or college.

No.

Uneducated means you did not pick up any ways of anybody's.

You're simply the way the life is.

Because your life,

Everything else is assumed.

If you have experienced the nature of life that you are,

And the source of life,

Which is also throbbing within you,

Why would you try picking up leaves and weeds?

Aren't you curious?

I know what you know through the weed,

I know a million X over that within myself.

So why will I be curious about something like that?

Do you play with the teddy bear every day today?

No.

Yes,

He does.

Why are you not?

Are you not curious how it feels?

The child loves it so much?

I went through the phase,

I experienced it.

That's what when you were a child,

It happened,

Right?

Right.

So I'm saying I grew up when I was four and a half years of age.

Even like,

Even like the nature of psychedelics and the mind opening experiences that I have that just… See right now,

These 11 million volunteers have gathered and nearly a billion people are in one way or the other touch with us.

See,

I'm not selling tickets to heaven.

I'm not offering miracles pulling out gold chains from the sky or something like that.

No miracle,

No tickets to heaven,

No anything.

Why do you think they're gathering?

Because I'm giving them dope.

No,

No,

No,

Listen,

Listen.

No,

No,

No,

No,

Don't stop it there because it'll be dangerous.

I'm giving them dope that no drug dealer can give them.

If they close their eyes,

They are gone.

I know you're big on semantics.

So what is… semantics?

It is not semantic.

Well,

You're saying dope and it's not actually dope,

It's not weed.

So what is it that you're selling?

Like what is the mission?

Well,

There is a lot of scientific research,

Which says there are millions of cannabis receptors in your brain.

You think they're waiting for you to smoke weed?

I don't know.

But they are there.

That's a fact.

So obviously,

The system must have something to provide that possibility within the system.

It is not that you have to go and pick something somewhere.

It is here,

Because this is the greatest chemical factory.

If you knew how to manage this,

You wouldn't be in the back streets.

You would make it happen here.

Getting high off life.

Getting high off life.

I understand.

I'm just saying like,

I'm also a fellow curious person.

And I had the thought process that I cannot die on this planet,

Not knowing what a psychedelic does to my brain.

I've refused.

That's something I wanted to try.

Before I died,

And I did,

And I'm just wondering from a fellow person who is seeking,

How that doesn't titillate you in some way.

See,

The thing is this right now.

We are all sitting in the same place,

Breathing the same air.

Probably we eat similar food.

At this moment,

What is happening within me,

How I am,

I will not exchange this for anything in the universe.

You give me the world,

I will not change it.

That's how big it is.

If that's happening within you,

You won't go pick weed.

That's all I'm saying.

So,

So,

So okay,

So I'm lacking.

So I'm curious because I'm lacking.

No,

If weed or whatever else gave you a little experience,

You must understand,

Weed cannot experience.

It's you who experiences.

Weed might have stimulated some experience within you.

Whether it is stimulated from outside or inside is the only question,

Right?

If it is from outside,

It always has a flip side of negativity to it.

If it happens from within,

When they suppose there was,

See people are drinking alcohol.

If there was no hangovers,

If there was no liver burning up,

Whatever,

They would be drunk all the time.

If you could be too fully drunk and fully alert all the time,

Would you do it?

Everybody I would advise them,

Drink alcohol,

Okay?

Right now,

That's all I'm telling you.

There is a way where you can be fully stoned and fully conscious at the same time.

I believe you.

You're all so much wiser.

You don't have to believe me.

You just have to check out my life,

How I live.

But I'm saying surely you are in your early twenties and I know like you grew up in the sixties.

But before you had the spiritual enlightenment,

There wasn't a part of you that.

.

.

Well,

He said he aged at four.

So you're saying that us intoxicated,

We're at a level here,

But you sober are here and you're teaching people that from your past conversation,

You're saying that if you wanted to try it once to tell your body you could be here,

That's fine.

But if you're going to consistently take it here,

That's wrong.

You shouldn't be using a substance to get you to happiness.

The choice is this.

This let us say,

The compound wall of this house is twenty-five feet tall.

You've not seen anything outside of this.

You always lived here.

It was quite okay.

But one day you went on a trampoline and jumped up and you saw there's a whole wide world out there.

But for a moment and you came down.

You again want to leap?

This is addiction.

You want to leap,

Leap,

Leap and have a little glimpse,

Little glimpse.

So what we do is,

We don't put you on a trampoline because we know you will fall back.

We teach you how to build a ladder.

Nothing romantic about it,

Nothing exciting about it,

Building a ladder.

You build a ladder,

Climb across the wall,

The job is done.

Why do you… What if I told you that acid made there be no wall?

What if I told you that acid knocked that wall down into a pile of rubble that you never had to climb a ladder over ever again?

That's not true.

My question is why… why build the ladder if you never experienced the trampoline?

See,

The thing is,

That's what I said.

It is not because somebody tasted a drug or somebody has got some teaching,

Somebody believes in a scripture or in a religion that they're looking.

It is intrinsic to human intelligence to be wanting to be something more.

Not something more,

If it finds very physical expression,

We call it sexuality.

If it finds emotional expression,

We call it love.

If it finds,

You know,

Mental expression,

We call it what,

Conquest or shopping or whatever.

If it finds conscious expression,

We call it yoga.

This is not decided by you.

This is the nature of life.

It wants to be something more.

How you choose to… if you know only money,

You're thinking more money.

If you know only these kind of experiences,

You're thinking of more experiences.

If you know love,

You're thinking of more love.

If you know knowledge,

You're thinking of more knowledge.

Whatever you know,

You're trying to hit the peak with that,

Right?

How do you know you found the one?

Love.

Found the one.

I know a partner.

The right partner.

The right partner in life.

Oh.

I want to love that one.

I want to laugh like that.

One day.

It's amazing.

Do you need a beard to laugh like that?

You have to.

You have to have that.

You could probably start laughing like that.

I'm close.

Anyways.

Anyway,

This is not the United States,

Nor is it 2020.

This is 1990.

And this is India,

Where things don't happen like how it happens here.

Yeah,

But that's all.

I just looked at her and in three days we were married.

So you're saying when you know,

You know.

So when I went home,

My.

.

.

If I said.

.

.

Because I.

.

.

Everybody thought I'll never marry because that was the contention because I was living wild.

All the time I'm camping in the mountains here or there and I have no interest in such things.

One day I went and said,

I'm marrying this girl.

I said,

What?

Who is she?

I knew her pet name,

You know,

Like what she's called.

I didn't know her full name.

Then they asked,

What's the father's name?

I said,

I don't know.

I said,

What?

You don't know father's name?

What's their caste?

I said,

I don't know.

Then you don't know father's name,

Then you don't know what the family is.

How will you marry this girl?

I said,

I intend to marry only the girl,

Not the father.

But did you know?

I didn't know.

You didn't know?

What?

Did you know she was the one?

Absolutely.

You knew.

Was there ever a time when the bears were like,

Man,

I picked the wrong one.

Like this girl really is acting up.

We don't do those things.

You're pointing me to… Because,

Because we are not… See,

I want you to understand this.

I know this culture is just built up now.

If you're looking how to extract life from somebody,

Anybody,

Whatever kind of wonderful person you pick,

They will disappoint you.

Because you can't pick life,

Joy or pleasure from somebody else.

If you're seeing that your life is an expression of your joy and you're seeing always how to do the best for the other person,

It never will happen to you that,

Oh,

Did I pick the wrong one?

Did I do this?

Did I do that?

So tomorrow suddenly you think this is the wrong tree and cut it off and put some other tree.

I feel like we look for in our culture and it's the saying like,

Find my other half,

Right?

Which in a sense is saying that we're incomplete by ourselves,

Right?

And we're looking for joy in another being.

And I think that's really the key is just finding that if we can have two holes come together,

Right?

And so I'm not,

We're coming in union and relationship to not extract joy from one another,

But to share joy within one another.

How did those guys become boys?

I mean,

I could probably sit here and ask questions all day.

Well,

He's probably got places.

I need some answers.

Have you seen the Matrix?

Which pill would you take?

Which pill did you take?

Or did you not take a pill?

Have you seen the Matrix?

Let's start there.

The Matrix.

The movie?

Well,

I am the Matrix,

Huh?

You are the Matrix.

He is telling you no.

So wait,

He's the architect.

He's the architect.

Do you watch movies?

I want to,

Can we humanize?

I want to take you away from this standoff-esque,

Which you could leave for a second and humanize.

You do eat cereal.

What do you mean for breakfast?

Suck guru,

Please tell me.

Well,

I ride a motorcycle,

You see.

That's cool.

Yeah.

What kind of motorcycle?

Well,

I have a 1600 GT.

It's a BMW.

My dad has that motorcycle.

He loves it.

He loves it.

He said he sold a pickup truck that I bought him to buy the motorcycle.

He didn't tell me he sold the pickup truck and used the money to buy it,

Something else that I didn't get him.

So I understand the love for the motorcycle.

What did you have for breakfast this morning?

Today?

No,

I just had brunch in the morning,

Not breakfast because I normally get to eat only one meal a day.

So… What did you have?

It's an Indian food.

What's your favorite American movie?

Favorite American movie?

Maybe Roman Holiday.

Roman Holiday?

I nodded my head like I knew,

But I had to.

How do you stay cool with so much clothing on?

Because I'm cool.

Okay.

Perfect answer.

What's your favorite spot you've been to in the United States?

I don't go by favorites,

But in the last few days what I've ridden through,

Like the Arch National Park,

The Bryce Canyon and the Zion Valley,

Oh,

These are most amazing places as nature goes,

Utah,

And most incredible.

Have you ever had a near death experience?

All the time.

How many?

Too many to break out.

There's always people,

People always said,

If there's no danger,

Sadhguru cannot exist.

So always he's creating dangerous situations for himself.

Me too.

I punched your window yesterday.

I got nine stitches in my arm.

I found out a Pokemon card mistake.

Do you know about Pokemon?

I've heard,

I don't know what that is.

It's a great investment.

It's a good investment.

I think we have time.

I think we have time for one more question.

Just due to Sadhguru's time.

Again,

I can't just like the privilege that we have here with this platform,

With Logan's audience and the millions and millions of followers and people that will watch this.

Is there something that,

You know,

Advice or something that you see in Logan that you think would be most beneficial that would impact people in the most positive way?

I know there are many things.

Well,

Compared to a lot of people,

He's very alive.

If he channelizes that well,

There are good possibilities.

But in the mode that you guys have taken,

I don't know whether you guys will channelize now or much later in your lives.

Because life is a combination of two things,

A certain amount of time and certain amount of energy.

Time is rolling away.

You do something,

You don't do something.

You're happy,

You're unhappy.

Tick,

Tick,

Tick,

Tick,

It's going away for all of us.

It doesn't stop for any of us.

We cannot say,

Today I didn't use it,

Let me roll it back.

There's no such thing.

Time is just rolling away.

So the only thing that we can manage is our energy.

Our energies we can manage in such a way,

Either it is,

You know,

Very… makes your life very profound.

These are two aspects when it comes to life.

One thing is to make your experience of life very profound.

Another thing is your activity must be impactful.

I think you guys are overly focusing on your activity being impactful,

Not invested on making your life profound.

Because right now you think acid will make you profound,

Smoke will make you profound.

Will it gives you facade?

I didn't say that,

I asked it.

I asked the question.

All right.

So I'm saying it doesn't make your life profound.

In fact,

It makes you frivolous.

And it is also possible.

I'm telling you,

During my time,

I'm saying when I was in university,

I… Thirteen of my friends over a period of seven,

Eight years,

Thirteen of my friends died.

Some to drugs,

Overdosing,

Some riding motorcycles,

Too wild,

You know,

Not knowing where the limit is,

Trying to ride like somebody else.

All right?

You can ride to your limit.

You can't do what somebody does.

Somebody else may be doing something else.

You must ride to your limit.

You must know where is your limit and you stay on that edge and see how to push that edge,

But you don't try to do what somebody else is doing right now.

So like this,

Thirteen of my friends in seven,

Eight years' time,

About four of them to drugs,

Remaining nine of them to motorcycles,

They lost their lives.

They're all wonderful riders,

They rode with me for many years.

They're all… it's not like in United States,

Okay?

This is like sitting on a mic… microwave,

Riding in United States.

There is nothing,

Just put it on the cruise and you sit.

It's not like that in India.

You're riding,

An elephant can be on the road,

All right?

And you need to be super alert and intuitive to ride at a certain speed.

These are good guys,

Very good at what they're doing.

But somebody drinks and drives,

You know,

Rides.

Somebody thinks he can smoke and then ride,

Smoke up and then ride,

Like these kind of things or somebody,

At any cost he wants to go ahead of somebody,

Whatever.

Especially not calibrating your energies right.

Those who died,

Died.

Many others,

They became accountants,

They became lawyers,

They became something else.

They're all my age now.

When I look at them,

They're all… they're all successful people.

They got money,

They got wife,

They got kids,

All this,

But no life in them.

So this guy has got some life.

See how he handles and manages his energy,

Because time will run anyway,

Whether you like it or you don't like it,

Today gets over,

Tomorrow happens,

Tomorrow gets over.

It's happening to all of us.

So these are the only two ingredients you have,

Time and energy.

What you make out of your energy is the profoundness of your life and also the impact of your work.

Please all of you,

Make that happen for yourself.

First and foremost thing is life should become profound in your experience.

Then how you impact people,

You don't have to worry,

Whichever way you do it,

It'll be for the best.

But if you live on the surface and try to impact people,

Sometimes you will do good things,

Sometimes you will do terrible things to people,

Maybe with good intention,

Because most horrible things on this planet are done with best of intentions,

Not with bad intention.

So Guru,

Thank you for blessing us with your wisdom today.

Can we get a round of applause for Sadhguru?

Thank you everyone.

Thank you very much.

Reviews

Interesting, if somewhat fractured discussion. Touching pn many topics sometimes with details sometimes just superficially. But always entertaining and enlightening.

I am glad that I took the time to listen to this interview; it blessed me with some insight and clarity.