068 Karen Lorre: Chronic Pleasure

Karen Lorre teaches meditation and coaches people to heal through pleasure. She speaks with me on how to alchemize bad emotions, how materialization really works, and shares some anecdotes about Hugh Hefner during her time as a Playboy playmate. She is the author of Chronic Pleasure, the book I’ve been using to introduce healing and ease into my life.

Transcript

Today's guest is my friend Karen Laurie.

Karen is the founder of Yummy Meditations.

She teaches meditation.

She coaches.

She was an actress,

A model,

All around inspiring human,

And she's the author of the soon-to-come-out book,

Chronic Pleasure.

She's actually making it available,

The electronic copy at least,

Available to listeners of this podcast for free.

You just need to email her at the email address,

Which should be in the show notes.

You can just click on it,

Copy and paste,

Email her,

Put in the title Chronic Pleasure,

And she'll send it to you.

She's got Chronic Pleasure,

And she sent me an advanced copy,

And I'm about halfway through it.

I just want to say Karen's been someone I've known for a few years,

And she's one of those people when you're around her,

You just feel good.

She's got that vibe,

However you want to put it.

I knew that a lot of her work touched on things like law of attraction and verbiage that I don't personally use.

If you follow my stuff,

You know I do certainly believe and harp on and really ground in the fact that our internal reality does affect our external reality.

However,

A lot of the law of attraction language isn't really my thing.

I think it can get a little vague sometimes.

When I was reading her book,

I love her as a person,

I did go through the book initially thinking,

Okay,

This is probably going to be full of stuff that I've heard before.

This would be nice.

It's not going to be the language that I personally use.

But I found myself re-realizing things about how you react to things emotionally,

How you process your reality,

If you will.

And of course,

Positive thinking is part of that.

But I found her perspective to be very eye-opening and practical.

And I've been finding myself using it.

I'm not even fully through the book,

But I have been changing the way I perceive certain situations in my life.

And I've been sending it to a lot of my friends,

Clients,

Particularly people who are like me who err on the side of rational practicality.

Not to say that anything in this book is that crazy or impractical,

But it's the approach that for someone like me who is prone to living in his head,

I found it very useful.

Anyway,

It was great speaking with her.

I've known her for a few years,

But I didn't really know her backstory.

So it's fun hearing about her stories from the Playboy Mansion,

Her overcoming certain illnesses,

Relationship stuff.

It was fun speaking with her.

And her perspectives were very enlightening because she's much more than just a positive thinker who sees the world through rose-colored glasses.

In fact,

She has a very practical,

Actionable,

And reasonable way of looking at the world in a way that feels good.

And I felt really good after speaking with her.

And I feel really good now,

A few hours later.

So enjoy this episode.

And if you want to get her book right now,

It's available for free.

I think the actual print book is being published later this year.

We can get the electronic copy for free if you email Karen with the subject,

Chronic Pleasure.

I'll put it in the notes.

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I think we're on 6-8.

Karen Laurie,

Chronic Pleasure.

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All right,

Here with Karen Laurie in your wonderful home.

I think it's been three years since we last met.

Yeah,

It feels like a really long time.

Yeah,

Yeah.

It feels great to see you.

Yeah,

Yeah,

Likewise.

And I'm maybe a quarter through your book and I love it so far.

I've actually been sharing bits of it with other people.

I hope they email you soon about it.

So what was it like writing the book?

Well,

I wrote this book.

It's called Chronic Pleasure,

Just in case people are listening and don't know.

So it's called Chronic Pleasure and it's about using the law of attraction to transmit fatigue and pain into vibrant energy and chronic pleasure.

And writing the book felt so fun.

I feel really compassionate for people who are in a state of feeling like they have so much pain that sometimes they can't even get out of bed or that they're just consumed with pain or that they feel so fatigued that they can't make plans or that they just feel like they don't have that spark that they used to have.

And that's how I felt.

And so writing the book and writing it sort of for that person who feels like that,

It felt like such an act of love.

I felt like I was in such a state of love and such a state of pleasure as I wrote it.

And it felt literally like I was taking dictation from the universe,

If you will,

Because it was so fascinating.

I didn't even know what I was going to write and then it would just flow through me.

Yeah,

I felt that in what I've read is very calming to read.

Things like maybe I've thought of before,

But to read in that way.

I know you mentioned Abraham Hicks a lot.

Was it that kind of channeling,

Do you feel like?

I don't call it channeling,

But I feel like I'm speaking the words that the source within me speaks,

At least when I was writing the book or typing the words.

It's interesting because I've shared,

When you sent it to me,

I was sharing ideas from it and telling certain loved ones about it.

And so a few people were like,

Wait,

Chronic pleasure?

She's saying pleasure is a disease or supposed to be in this chronic pleasure state.

It's interesting with the reactions from the title.

Yeah,

Well,

Because one of the things I was diagnosed with,

I had narcolepsy,

Depleted adrenals,

My thyroid was off,

And I was diagnosed with chronic pain because my whole body was achy all the time and chronic fatigue before they understood I had narcolepsy.

And so I kept hearing this,

Oh,

You've got chronic pain,

You've got chronic fatigue,

But there was never any answer for it.

And chronic,

The actual word,

It's chronosis time,

It's consistent over time.

And so I've been in this state of chronic pleasure for like three and a half,

Four years of just timeless pleasure.

Yeah,

Where it's in this,

Or pleasure all the time,

Where it's in this state of just,

I'm just feeling amazing pleasure all the time.

And so that's what made me want to call it chronic pleasure,

Because also I want to take the onus off of that word chronic and make it into something that you can have chronic happiness,

You can have chronic joy,

You can have chronic peacefulness.

Yeah,

It was really interesting reading the story because I guess I met you after this period.

So I've always known you as this happy,

Healthy,

Aligned person.

So it's really interesting seeing that transition.

Can you share a little more about where you were and this epiphany?

Yeah,

I was in a place where I was being divorced by this man that I loved so much,

My husband,

And I was suicidally depressed.

I didn't feel like there was anything I could do.

I'm an actress and I had literally fallen asleep while I was in an audition on camera.

And so it was devastating.

And I felt so ashamed and I couldn't get out of bed.

I was barely able to eat because I just couldn't even think how to cook.

And people were coming over and helping me,

But a lot of my friends had left.

And I couldn't do much.

And then one day I was supposed to meet my husband for a dinner and we hadn't really been divorced yet.

And I was really hoping that we would have a reconciliation.

And he never showed up and he has a memory issue and he had forgotten.

And I was so devastated,

I didn't even think to text him.

And I was crying and I felt this energy pulling me.

And it was pulling me to a book on my bookshelf that I didn't know I had.

And it was a book called The Law of Attraction by Abraham Hicks.

And I opened the book and I read just a couple pages and I totally saw my life in a totally different way.

And I just realized,

Oh my God,

I've been focused on the lack of everything I wanted.

And it shifted me so completely.

And it's like I had a.

.

.

You know when you look in a mirror and you have another mirror and you can see forever in the mirrors?

That's what it felt like,

But it was my life.

And I was like,

Oh my God.

And I could see forever and I could see how to shift it.

And then I started doing things because I have a background in psychobiology,

How the mind affects the body.

And I have a background in meditating.

I've been meditating for 28 years.

Yeah,

You're studying medicine at one point,

Et cetera.

I was pre-med.

Yeah,

I was pre-med and that's what I was studying was how the mind affects the body.

That was the emphasis I was studying.

And it was just a very new field when I was doing it,

But now it's a huge field.

And then I've studied with Dr.

Bruce Lipton about epigenetics and I've studied with Deepak about mind-body medicine further.

And I also studied different neuroscience things.

And so I have this,

And plus I was an actress and acting is such a great Petri dish for,

You become a different character and you see how your physiology shifts when you have a different set of beliefs and relationships and history.

And so all of that started to shift me quickly once I had a couple of key pieces.

And it just,

My body started,

I started doing different practices and my body started to,

I would notice when I did the practice that I would feel more energy or I would notice that my pain would ebb away.

And so I started to pay attention and I kept doing more and more of these practices and feeling better and better and things just started to shift.

Like I started to get momentum and I started to feel better and better and better and it just snowballed.

And now I just am consistently happy,

Consistently in a state of pleasure.

I don't even get pain anymore.

Yeah.

Yeah.

One thing that was interesting in your book for me,

I mean,

I was reading it.

I was like feeling is like these are great reminders.

Some,

Like one of the exercises I really loved.

I'll speak about that in a second.

But you mentioned you had a client or friend who was a doctor.

I think that believe that you had to feel your bad feelings to process them.

And I was reading that I was like,

Oh,

Well I kind of believe that.

I kind of feel,

I mean,

As much as I believe that we are all love and light and one in the end,

When we hit on these hard parts,

I'm like,

Well,

You kind of have to feel that.

And I was like thinking maybe that's not true.

So I was kind of like,

I had to stop reading your book and think for a second,

Like,

Is this how I feel anymore?

What do you say about that idea?

Well,

There are a lot of people who like to feel their negative feelings and let them ebb away.

But a lot of times when people are feeling negative feelings,

They're actually creating more of what they don't want.

And they think they're releasing it.

But the only way you know if you're actually releasing it is if you feel really great afterwards,

Like if you've actually released it and now that issue no longer bothers you.

So like I've had it where I had been molested at a church.

I didn't go to the actual church part.

I just went to the youth group with a bunch of friends and the minister was a pedophile,

Really great guy actually,

But a pedophile also.

I mean,

He had a great personality and he was fun and he was loving and affectionate and just a little more so.

Anyway,

So one day,

This is maybe like 10 years ago,

I was in a state of real love and real appreciation.

And all of a sudden,

The image of him came to my mind.

But this time I realized that he had been a gift to me.

And I saw how the things he had done had caused me to have extreme desire as a 12 year old,

Where I had this extreme desire to understand what real love was because he said he loved me,

What God was because he's talking about God all the time and doing things that didn't feel right.

And then to understand sex and to understand that feeling of security and to understand men.

And at that point in my life,

I was in a place where all of those things had become fulfilled.

Like I did understand what love was.

I did understand as best as a human can what God is.

I did feel really secure.

I did feel really connected with men.

And I did feel a better understanding of sex.

And as I had that awareness,

I saw that we had been like co-creating this huge desire so I could be who I have become now.

And I fell to the floor and I fell to my knees and just like,

I was just crying and saying,

Thank you,

Thank you,

Thank you.

And I was thanking the universe for giving me the clarity,

But thanking him also.

And after that day,

All of the issues I had that had come from being molested for years,

All of those issues,

They were gone.

And whenever I thought of him,

All I thought of was appreciation and love.

And his wife messaged me the next day on Facebook saying,

I hope you can forgive us.

Gary really loves you.

I hadn't even talked to them in decades.

So his wife knew?

She felt the energy.

She must have felt the energy.

Because I didn't like post,

Hey,

I forgave my minister.

I didn't do anything.

She knew about the.

.

.

Oh,

Yeah,

He was put in jail.

Oh,

I see.

Yeah,

All this stuff happened.

So for not just me,

He molested like 28 boys and me.

Anyway,

It was a funny thing.

Anyway,

But when she must have gotten it energetically that she would send me a message at that time.

And so it was just really empowering.

And I literally felt myself shift.

And people who saw me afterwards,

Like my friends,

They were like,

Karen,

It's like your light is so much brighter.

So that's how I knew.

I was crying.

But it was a crying of awareness.

It was a crying of releasing something.

Yeah,

It reminds me of the Sedona method.

I don't know if you're familiar.

You welcome the feelings and not judge.

And even love the negative feelings.

It's interesting you brought this up because I think.

.

.

Okay,

I was gonna say,

But the feelings I was feeling weren't negative.

That was the difference.

So like when somebody feels negative feelings,

You have to see if the feeling of the negative feeling is actually releasing something and you're going to be healed from that thing.

Or it's causing that thing to get worse.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I didn't mean to cut you off.

No,

No,

No,

No,

I think that's a really important distinction too.

I mean,

Your example,

I'm sure,

I mean,

It is a bit of a taboo subject.

I'm sure some people are like,

Wait,

How could you speak about this in this way?

When you say it,

I feel like,

Oh,

That is the healthiest way to go about it because here you are free now.

I'm wondering,

Do you feel that.

.

.

I mean,

You mentioned co-create.

Do you believe that some part of you wanted that to happen for the things that would come afterwards?

Yeah.

And that's a tricky thing to talk about it is.

Right.

But I do feel like there was a part of me that.

.

.

So for example,

My brother went to that church one time,

The minister put his hand on my brother's knee,

My brother got up and left.

He never went back.

When the minister did things like that with me,

I just,

There was something in me that was not able to walk up and leave.

Or he didn't want to leave.

Or there's something.

But I do think what I think,

What it feels like to me is my soul said,

Bring it on,

Let's give her a lot of contrast early so that she can really get strong,

Strong,

Strong desire.

And then she can be in a place of enlightenment and share it with the world and be a benefit.

That's how I feel like.

And I feel like before I came into this world,

I said,

Yeah,

Bring it on,

Let's go.

But then you come in and you're born and you're like,

No,

What the fuck are you talking about?

Excuse me.

I can't believe that.

I can't believe that I would say that.

But I do feel like our spirits have a real sense of our power and that we have a real sense of our power before we get incarnated into this body.

Yeah.

Even if you don't look at it spiritually,

Like philosophically is something I ponder a lot.

Like everyone I know who I look up to who's interesting,

Who's evolved,

They went through some crap earlier in their life.

And it makes me wonder,

Like,

Do we have to kind of go through pain or hardship and then you go back and forth?

Like,

What's the point of the hardship?

What's the point of being stronger if you're going to go through this hardship?

I don't know.

I go in circles about it sometimes thinking about it.

Well,

You know,

I know a lot of mothers that are getting aligned or are aligned and they have kids,

Right?

And what's happening is they're raising their kids in an aligned way.

And I think if you get kids like that,

They don't ever have to have that negative stuff.

Or if they do,

They're able to capitalize on it right in the moment.

And they don't have to have years and decades of that trauma that keeps you ahead,

PTSD and all that kind of stuff from that.

So I don't think we need to have negative things.

But I think if your focus is not clear,

You bring negative things to you.

Gotcha.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So,

One of the – actually,

The very first exercise in the book,

If it's all right that I share it,

It's like kind of smiling love into your heart.

I don't know if I'm saying it as you wrote in the book.

And it's something that I realized I had done in my life when I felt super anxious or super depressed.

When I was really depressed as a teen,

I read Power of Now.

And the best way I could process being in the now is just paying attention to my heartbeat.

And then I thought about it.

And I was reading your book and doing it.

I was like,

Oh,

This has always made me feel good,

Some version of this.

But I've only done it when I felt bad.

As soon as I feel okay,

I forget about it.

And then I go off in my life.

And then I feel bad again one day.

Is there anything you do to keep – it's like your book seems to be about growing your pleasure infinitely almost.

Is there anything you do to remind yourself?

I think a lot of people always just try to go back to normal.

Yeah.

I feel like normal is exalted celebration.

So the practice,

It's called the heartfulness practice.

So I often have – like even just as we're talking,

I have attention on my heart.

So I can feel my heart is flowing with love,

And it's open.

And I'm just seeing you with love.

So it fuels my eyes so that I see the beauty in who you are and in this moment and the people who are listening and feeling their beauty and their value and their worthiness.

And so that feeling of – but I guess,

Like I don't have to do anything anymore.

My awareness is such that I feel connected super consistently to everything and to everyone.

And so I don't have to do anything.

But when people are first starting out,

There's so many wonderful things you can do that feel really great.

And I still do some wonderful things,

Not because I have to do them,

But because they raise me even higher.

And I like that feeling of continual expansion.

Yeah,

That's one thing I loved in your book,

Early part of the book.

It was that you shouldn't – or I don't know if you said should,

But it's not about doing it to get this outcome of happiness in the future because that'll kind of – I forget what you said,

But that'll sabotage it or that'll not put you in the state or remind you that you're not in the state already.

But doing these practices because in itself,

It's pleasurable.

And it's like,

Of course,

And it's like it's important to remember that.

I really love that perspective.

Yeah,

That feels to me like a real important paradox because a lot of people do things and they're doing it with a goal in mind.

And even though you want the goal,

When you do things that have that goal in mind,

It's a different – there's a paradox because you want to do it because it feels good,

Not because it's something that you're trying to get.

So that's the trick,

The paradox.

I've been thinking about this a lot because I have this one particular client actually.

I come across a lot of guys who are maybe stuck in a negative reality and they can hear things like this.

I've been in that state before,

Right?

I'm like,

Oh,

Yeah,

Of course,

Love is the answer and loving yourself and all these things.

But they have this – they're so ingrained in this belief that anything they try is futile.

I have this one client who like he does everything with this expectation that everything is going to be bad and then of course,

It doesn't work.

And he can hear these things and I'm like I'm not sure how to get through to him where he can actually switch.

Have you worked with that with people?

Yeah.

And I've had clients that just feel like they feel – from the consultation,

I do a free consultation with people.

So,

From the free consultation before we've actually worked together where they feel like they're super negative and they feel like they just can't do it and they feel obsessed sort of in a negative way and like the negative thing just comes in.

And I used to feel like that.

So,

I know it's possible to heal it.

And often by the first or second session,

They are overwhelmed with how good they feel and how easy it is to be – to like let that go and to be in a place of real feeling connection and feeling effortless and feeling easy.

So,

That has been a really fun thing.

I had somebody say the other day,

She said after our first session,

She's like,

Oh my God,

I can't believe this.

This is what I thought would happen after like nine sessions and now I feel so good.

It was after just the first session and I feel like I've had like 30 years of growth in just like one week.

It feels amazing.

She was so excited.

It was really funny.

But she has because you really – people can really shift quickly when they understand certain things and I have certain practices that can help that.

So,

You were kind of in that state before you had this epiphany that drew you to the Abraham Hicks book.

Can you – and you mentioned and I hope it's not giving away too much but your next book is probably going to be a memoir,

Right?

Yeah,

Unless I change my mind.

I'm still in the process.

So,

Not binding if anyone is – Not binding.

That's funny because books are bound.

Right.

At this point,

I'm thinking of – the publisher suggested I do a memoir.

So that it feels like it's exciting but I feel like I've made my decision but I haven't made my final decision if you will.

Like I haven't started writing.

Can you share a little bit about the transition because I met you after you're already doing the Yummy Meditations work and that's – this is just how I've known you.

But when I looked you up for other things we've worked on,

I was like,

Oh,

I saw you were in Playboy and you're different.

You've been an actress for a long time.

Can you share about like how did that go from – you kind of went from different worlds?

Yeah.

I – well,

When I was a teenager,

I – or when I was in college,

In my first year of college,

I lived with four guys.

We were all roommates and so I met all their friends and some of them had playboys and I had never really seen a playboy and I never read them.

Their friends would come over and they would say,

You could do that.

And I would say,

Yeah,

Right.

And I would just ignore them.

But then like after the third person said,

You could do that,

I thought,

Well,

I'll just see what it is.

And I didn't think anybody read the magazine so I called 411.

You might not even know what 411 is.

I know what 411 is.

Okay.

So,

411 was like how you get the operator on the line to get a message,

You know,

To find out a phone number for someone.

So I called 411 and they connected me up with the playboy.

And I said,

How does somebody come a playboy?

And they said,

Well,

You come to our office at 8 a.

M.

We take some Polaroids for five minutes and then we let you know in six weeks.

And I said,

Okay.

And so I thought about it and I didn't even know how to – I knew how to drive but I didn't know how to like drive in LA,

You know,

Kind of things and that's where I lived.

And that's where they were.

And so my friend drove us up to this playboy studio and I did a five-minute photo shoot.

And when we're in there,

You know,

I didn't – I'd never worn makeup.

I was wearing my mother's dress.

You know,

I didn't know anything about it.

Where did you grow up?

Long Beach.

Okay.

And so I just was really pure,

Right?

I didn't have any – yeah.

So I did the five-minute Polaroids and then we came out and we said,

Yeah,

That'll never happen because they have these huge big posters of these beautiful playmates.

And we were like,

No,

This is not going to be it.

And then we had breakfast and drove back and I became like that day they said,

Hef wants you to be a playmate.

Wow.

And so,

Yeah,

I was excited and I still didn't think anybody knew about it.

And then from – I did the playboy thing and that was really fun and it was a really good experience.

And then I kept getting acting jobs from different – like people just say,

Would you like to be in this show or in this show?

So you weren't aspiring to be an actress at this point?

No,

I was going to be a doctor.

Oh,

Right.

Okay.

Yeah.

So I was going to be a doctor.

And then I took an acting class and it was so – like you know when you have those white light moments where you just feel like this is the best feeling I've ever had.

And when I did the acting class,

Because I was getting jobs,

I thought I should know what I'm doing,

Right?

So I did this scene with somebody and it was like this light was flowing through me and I felt amazing and it felt effortless.

And I was like,

This is the best feeling in the world.

And so for several months,

I was like,

Do I want to be an actor?

Do I want to be the doctor?

Do I want to be an actor?

And then one day I was – I didn't know what meditation was,

But I was in a state of meditation and I heard this voice that said,

If you become a doctor,

You're going to be very linear and you're going to be using somebody else's clarity for yourself.

If you become an actress,

It's going to be a series of adventure after adventure after adventure.

And adventure for me is something really key.

So that's the day I made the decision and I said,

Okay,

I'm going to become an actress.

And I still maintained my interest in the sciences,

But I went into acting and it just unfolded in this ridiculously easy way.

And so then I started acting and I had – and it was really great because I was playing different characters for different – on this show,

You'd play this character,

On this show,

You'd play this character.

And they were all a Russian spy here and a victim over here and a slut over here and like it was a teacher over here.

So you get this experience of the world differently and of yourself in a different way.

Yeah.

It's interesting.

One of my close friends who I shared – I told to email you actually about your book – is in med school and she's having a similar dilemma where she actually said the same thing,

Like I'm going to be stuck with other people's ideas about how to heal.

Anyway,

She's going through this thing.

Maybe her book and emailing you will help you get some clarity.

And you know,

It's funny because I coach a lot of doctors.

A lot of doctors,

A lot of psychiatrists,

A lot of psychologists.

And so,

I mean,

They just – I've coached a lot of other people as well but a lot of my clients happen to be doctors.

And I find it feels – it just feels so interesting because they just aren't taught so many things that are super healing and that can really help people,

Really help people heal of almost anything.

And so,

When they do understand it,

You know,

You just see the light go off in them and you can see them going,

Oh my God,

I had this other understanding that was so limiting for so long and now they really get it.

It feels so exciting.

Yeah,

Yeah.

Because I mentioned to you,

I'm thinking about getting my PhD in depth psychology and I was hesitant about it for a while because I was like,

Do these professors,

Like have they really been in the trenches with people and like – or have they just been studying books?

I don't know.

I'm going back and forth on it.

But yeah,

I mean,

I wonder – with the psychiatrists you work with,

Do they find themselves having to go back on their assumptions often?

Oh,

Yeah.

And they get much more effective with their clients or their patients.

They get so much more effective with their patients and their clients and they're able to reduce the amount of medicines that they provide and then they feel healthier and happier themselves.

So,

It's really interesting.

Like I've had different – it's interesting because when they're psychiatrists,

They have to get psychiatry as part of their training.

They get somebody that is more experienced than them that works with them.

But I've worked with people who had OCD and helped them let it go that they never – and they were psychiatrists.

So,

They never got that training to really understand and let go of PTSD.

I've helped psychiatrists let go of like hoarding things.

And so,

Like just that it doesn't get addressed when they're working with psychiatrists or doctors,

When they're working with these doctors who are supposed to be so advanced,

Right?

And then it does get addressed when they work with me.

That to me feels intriguing.

I feel like,

Wow,

How much can psychiatry really expand?

Yeah,

That's one actually.

So,

I kind of decided I wasn't going to go back to school for reasons similar to that.

And then I saw this film about Freud and Jung back in the day and how they kind of invented what we all assume about psychology and certain things were kind of shoved away because they weren't – the public wasn't ready for them,

I mean according to this movie.

And then we still haven't – like we've still ignored what Freud was calling mysticism and I was like Jung,

No,

You can't do that.

You have to hide that away.

I think it's coming back.

But one thing that made me want to go to school is like,

Oh,

If I'm actually in the field,

I can start to add to our – what we should have as basic knowledge about healing,

The psyche and stuff.

And yeah,

I'm hoping this all can tie together because – yeah,

I mean in reading your book,

I mean it was – I started reading it thinking like,

Oh,

I've read the Law of Attraction.

It's not going to be new but just reading the words from you had me feel so settled in my body and I'm only like a couple chapters in.

So,

Like yeah,

I'm really excited for this to come out.

That's really sweet.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Yeah,

I feel so appreciative.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Did you interact with Hugh Hefner much?

It's funny.

I was driving not too long ago,

A couple of years and a little bit ago.

And when I was driving,

All of a sudden,

I felt this energy.

I had met him a few times when I was younger but I didn't interact with him much.

But I was driving and I felt this energy and I realized it was Hef.

That's what we called him.

And I was like,

Hef,

Is that you?

And I got this feeling that it was him and I said,

Are you non-physical?

And I got this feeling that he was,

Which meant that he was no longer in his body.

And I was like,

Oh,

Wow.

And I felt like this real bond with him.

And then I got home and I forgot about it and I didn't check anything.

And my neighbor texted me,

My growing up neighbor who knew I had done Playboy and who's known me my whole life.

Hey,

Karen,

Did you know that Hugh Hefner died last night?

And I checked the time and Hef had come visited me before the time was announced.

And so there was no way I would know it.

And I don't listen to the news anyway.

But there was no way I would know it except for my experience with him.

And when I was younger,

I had more experiences with him in a group.

Like we would have dinner together with a bunch of other people.

Or one time I had a conversation with him.

And the boyfriend I had at that time was a physicist.

And he was studying neutrinos and they're tiny particles.

And Hef came and talked with me about it.

And he was so bright.

And he had a photographic memory.

And he knew everything about neutrinos from an article he had read in a magazine.

And he told me the name of the magazine,

The month and the year and the date and the page number that he had read it and it had been,

You know,

It was all he could see it all in his mind.

And he was so he was so such a bright man.

So that felt really interesting.

There was one experience I had with him that I just remembered I'd forgotten about it.

I was staying the night at his mansion,

But they gave me a little bungalow.

And I had locked the door and I was in bed and I was going to sleep.

And the door unlocked and opened.

And he walked in and I was like,

Shocked.

And he said,

Joni,

That was a woman who worked there.

Joni said,

You didn't want to go upstairs.

And I said,

Right,

I don't want to go upstairs.

And he said,

Are you sure?

And I said,

Yes,

I'm sure.

And he said,

Well,

Good things happen when you go upstairs.

And I said,

Well,

Thank you,

But no thank you.

And he goes,

Well,

You know,

We were thinking of you being playmate of the year.

And I was like,

Well,

It's okay.

I don't want to go upstairs.

And so he brushed my hair off my forehead,

Kissed me on the forehead and walked out,

Locked the door.

And I was freaked out.

I was like,

Oh,

My God,

That felt so intense.

But it felt also very respectful.

And that was it.

And I had made a decision that I wasn't going to,

I didn't ever do anything for anything,

If that makes sense.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So yeah,

It was interesting.

It's interesting because I mean,

He's someone I think a lot of people look up to.

So it's interesting to hear like an actual experience.

Yeah.

I mean,

He's incredibly bright.

He's incredibly intelligent.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So,

Um,

Taking us forward,

You're doing the acting thing,

You'd like of the medical aspirations.

What was what was the,

What was life like in between that and then this epiphany where you shifted spirituality?

Well,

There was a lot of times that I was having real magic through my life,

Where things would just happen.

I went for an audition in New York.

And while I was the audition was like seven in the morning,

Because it was before this show was going to be shooting.

So we did it really early.

And then afterwards,

I went to an early play.

And I was walking like a Broadway play.

And I was walking back to my hotel and I started crying.

And it's like,

Oh my God,

I'm moving to New York.

So I knew I was moving and I got back to my hotel and there was a message saying,

You got the job,

You're moving to New York.

So I knew it.

So that kind of thing was happening a lot.

Where I would know,

I would know about not not every job.

And sometimes I thought I would get and I didn't get,

You know,

So not every job,

But I was getting really consistent with my ability to read energy.

So I just had a ton of magical things.

And I got successful in lots and lots of ways.

I did lots of shows,

I've done over 1000 hours of television and film.

And then when I got married,

I was a naturally happy person.

But when I got married,

I sort of put my,

It's like I expected him to do things instead of just allowing him to do what he wanted to do.

And so I started to get depressed in the marriages when I started to really lose my magic,

If you will.

Because,

Yeah,

I just started to lose my magic.

And I was in this relationship with this,

He was a very powerful man.

And I loved him with all my heart.

And I couldn't get the connection that I was wanting.

And so that felt devastating.

And then my dad died.

And then somebody that helped me when I was younger died,

And then another person died.

And I started to get overwhelmed with all this death and all this,

And then all the stuff.

And then I,

You know,

Just I just had a lot of stuff going on.

And yeah,

And so I just was like trying to manage.

And so that all snowballed in the negative way.

And by- You created your physical ailments.

Yeah,

And then my physical ailments got worse.

I'd always had the chronic pain,

But I'd been able to handle it really well.

Because I was an acrobat,

And I'm a gymnast,

And I'm a trapeze artist.

And so I just had all this fun energy.

And I like to play like that.

I love doing that kind of stuff.

It feels really fun.

And so then all that,

All the pain in my body started getting worse,

And I started getting more tired.

And that's what,

As it kept getting worse,

And then as we were separating,

That's what caused me to recognize that I needed real help.

And when I got started getting the help,

You know,

I ended up not being able to use the doctors and the psychiatrists that had been helping me because they were actually keeping me sicker.

And I ended up using the wisdom of the universe,

If you will,

And also my own understanding.

And then when I started to have real shifts in my body,

Just one day I realized where I had been several months before and where I was now was markedly different.

And I had listened to something I had created for myself.

And I was like,

Wow,

That had healed and that had healed and that had healed and that had healed.

So I made a post about it on Facebook and said,

You know,

If anybody wants to do this with me,

You know,

Let me know.

And I got my first client that day,

And then I kept getting more clients.

And it's just like,

It started to snowball.

How long ago was this?

This is like nine,

Nine years ago,

Maybe.

And it started to snowball or maybe eight years.

I'm not exactly sure.

But some years ago,

And it started to snowball and snowball.

And I just kept getting more and more clients.

And then I ended up writing my book,

And now I get even more clients.

And so it's been this kind of effortless evolution.

And was that when Yummy Meditations began?

Yeah,

I actually did a meditation for someone who worked for Abraham,

Abraham Hicks.

And he said,

Oh,

My God,

This is the best feeling.

I had done a coaching meditation.

This is the best feeling I've ever had in my life.

You know,

Do you want to,

You know,

Do you want to have a website?

Do you want to have this?

So he ended up doing all of that for me.

Oh,

Cool.

Yeah.

And he's amazing.

I love him.

Brilliant man also.

But so,

Yeah,

So it just all,

Everything just unfolded effortlessly.

Another person who worked for Abraham said,

You know,

I'm going to make you a Facebook page so that I have a business Facebook page,

You know,

That he made for me.

And,

You know,

All I do is post in there.

But yeah,

So people just have just offered me acts of service for free,

Which is felt really beautiful.

It's awesome.

Yeah,

There's a couple other things I read in your book that I loved.

And this might be related to what you just said,

I like the word relevance.

And like how it related.

Can you can you speak a little bit on that?

Yes,

My mom is Greek.

So I grew up learning the etymology of words,

Which an etymology is a study of where the word comes from.

So the word relevant,

I was hearing a lot.

And I thought,

Oh,

What is what does that word mean?

And I looked it up etymologically.

And the etymological meaning,

One of them was to lift up or to lighten,

To relieve.

And I thought,

Oh,

That makes total sense to me.

You know,

When something lifts me up and lightens me,

That's relevant.

And when something doesn't,

It's not.

And I started and I just I had a total awakening from just looking up that word and having that understanding.

And I felt like I just dropped a whole slew of false beliefs.

Yeah,

It reminds me of like,

We met each other through the home world.

And like they had this idea of resonance of like,

When you're when you're when you're connecting physically the right way you feel this feeling of resonance,

Like that's what feels right.

And I've actually been trying to remember that,

Like,

I'm in LA doing some stuff with media that I've never done before.

And like,

There's a lot of decisions I have to make,

I don't really have enough information.

But remembering things like that,

If like,

When it feels uplifting and right,

That's probably the right direction to go into,

Has been really useful.

And we were saying about like,

The news,

I also don't watch the news,

I kind of don't pay attention to politics.

And a lot of my friends criticize me for that.

They say like,

Oh,

You need to be informed,

You're not doing your duty.

I'm sure you've heard that argument before.

Actually,

I don't.

Okay.

I guess they didn't even doesn't even reach you.

People say,

God,

I admire how clear you are,

And how you don't get bought into the drama of everything.

But I mean,

I have a general understanding of what's going on.

And I have a desire for what I want.

And I don't read the news because or don't watch the news.

Because they,

You know,

They repeat the same thing over and over and over again.

So it really gets in.

And every news place,

Or I don't know everyone,

But most of them have a specific agenda.

And I just don't,

I just don't want to be programmed.

Yeah.

You know,

I mean,

And it's always,

It's somebody's opinion versus,

Yeah,

It's not,

It's,

I don't know,

It doesn't feel,

It doesn't feel like something that is serving me to put a lot of attention on.

I have a general idea,

Though.

I've gone to some political rallies so I could understand what that person was that was talking,

You know,

And stuff like that.

So I've listened to people and stuff like that.

But I just don't,

There's so much news that is going on that people don't ever hear on the news.

Things like,

Oh,

My gosh,

Through Los Angeles,

There was 23 hours of driving without any accidents.

Oh my gosh,

There's so many healthy babies being born.

Oh my gosh,

There's so many wonderful kids who are being kind to each other.

There's so many schools that are teaching kids how to be loving and sweet with each other and with themselves.

You know,

I mean,

There's some really good things going on.

Yeah,

Yeah.

I mean,

I mean,

Any news person or someone would probably say like,

Oh,

We don't pay attention to that because comparatively it's boring or our brains are programmed to seek out danger and stuff.

What do you think about that?

Is that a thing we can overcome collectively?

Or are we always going to be as a collective drawn to like the car crashes?

I feel like we are trained to think of what is wrong.

Because you know,

Don't climb that tree,

You're going to fall.

You know,

Those things that people,

Well meaning,

But people say,

When you know you can climb that tree,

You know,

And you know,

It's going to be easy and fun,

You know,

And you know,

You're not going to fall.

You feel that sureness,

You know,

In your little three year old body and it's clear.

So I just feel,

I feel like we've been trained to focus on the negative because,

You know,

People forget who they are and then they have kids and they train their kids to forget.

And part of the way that you forget is you focus on all the danger.

But I know for myself,

I don't see danger.

I had this experience where I've been to a costume party,

A dance costume party wake.

So yeah,

It was for somebody who had died,

But he wanted everybody to celebrate.

So it was in his will,

He wanted a costume party dance.

Cool.

Yeah,

So it was great.

So everybody was dancing.

And I had been and I had worn like a fairy outfit with wings and it had a diaphanous see through diamond shape between my breasts and the lower part of my belly.

So just my belly was showing,

But it looked very sexy,

You know,

With rhinestones and I had a halo too.

I had wings and a halo,

I was confused.

So my battery light goes off.

And my oil light goes off in the car.

And I don't know that much about cars.

So I'm looking and where the party was,

There just weren't any gas stations with service centers that were open.

This is like three in the morning.

So I pull into a 711 just because I know if you drive your car with no oil or the oil light goes on,

At least this was the thinking,

You know,

Your car could blow up and die.

And I just didn't want to do that.

So I go into a 711 and I said,

I need oil for my car.

And the guy points me to the back.

And I go in the back and there's these three guys.

They have chains,

They have tattoos.

They have some knife looking holder things with something in them that could be knives,

I don't know.

And I see them and I realize,

You know,

That they are beautiful people.

And I just relax.

And I said in Spanish,

I don't know how,

Can you help me?

I don't know how to put oil in my car.

And the guys changed in a minute.

Yeah,

Clara que si,

Of course we can help you.

And they came outside and they checked what my oil was.

They checked what kind of oil I needed.

They told me what kind to buy.

And they told me how much to buy.

I went back in and I bought the amount that they needed.

Then one guy gave me a jacket to wear.

And then the two other guys were changing the oil and we were all talking and they were really sweet.

And they had had this kind of before I talked to them,

Before I softened,

They had this defensiveness about them.

This like,

Yeah,

What do you want?

And look at you and you're in this outfit,

What are you here for?

And it totally changed and they became so kind and so thoughtful and so generous.

And at the end of it,

I gave the guy back his jacket and I gave each one a hug.

And I said,

Muchas gracias.

And I just was so thankful.

And they said,

You know,

Cuidarte,

Take care of yourself.

And I said,

Y uamente,

You too.

We had this like bonding before and then I got in my car and they're all standing outside 7-Eleven waving at me.

And it was so sweet.

And I just realized,

Wow,

If I was looking for the goodness,

And they showed it to me.

And so yeah,

There are,

I think we're trained,

But I've untrained that.

I untrained it.

Yeah,

So I know you mentioned earlier,

Before we recorded,

Like,

You might also write a book I chronic pleasure for men,

Is that or for women relating to men?

Is that yeah,

Chronic pleasure with men with men.

Okay.

Yeah,

For women who might have had similar backgrounds to me.

And who might want to have really great experiences with men.

Yeah,

I think I mean,

I'm,

I'm so excited for that.

And like the impact it could have on how men and women relate,

Like things like that.

I'm like,

Of course,

That's how it went.

Like,

I have no doubt,

You know,

It's like,

Of course,

And like,

If I think a lot of the predatory,

We want to go on this tangent,

But like a lot of the predatory behavior,

You know,

A lot of male behavior,

I think is a response to women and vice versa.

But like,

We all have the power to change how people relate with us.

Right.

And it's interesting,

Because,

You know,

I coach people,

And sometimes they're in a couple,

And I could be coaching the man or I could be coaching the woman.

But when the one of them changes,

Or I could be coaching the parent or the child,

And when one of them shifts,

The other one shifts.

It's impossible not to.

Right.

And so yeah,

Yeah,

Because we're so connected.

And so literally,

I've helped people like one,

One girl I work with,

She said,

You know,

Gosh,

We've got three kids,

My husband's working like a dog.

You know,

He's so tired,

We haven't had sex.

I don't remember the last time we had sex.

And so I listened to her.

And then I gave her some guidance.

And she emails me the next day.

Oh,

My God,

Karen,

We had the best sex I've ever had in my life.

This was amazing.

You know,

And so,

So like,

Things can shift,

Right?

Very quickly.

And then I've had it where men,

You know,

Have had partners that they just didn't want sex or they were just too tired,

Or they were just,

And so then I've given them some suggestion.

And then they're like,

Oh,

My God,

This is amazing.

It's a totally different experience.

And we're having a different kind of sex than we've ever had before.

It's so much more connected and so much more expansive and sensuous and sexy.

And,

You know,

Like,

And then they get that experience where you're walking through life,

You know,

And you see your partner and you're immediately aroused,

You know,

You're immediately turned on when you see them.

And so that,

You know,

That's kind of one of the things I help people with once they've gotten through the pain of,

You know,

In their bodies,

It's really fun to help people heal those kind of things in their relationships.

How much does the I mean,

I'm only,

I think,

Eight pages into your book,

And I know a little bit about your work overall,

But how much do you incorporate sexuality into the pleasure because obviously,

The title and a lot of you speak about pleasure all the time,

Like how much of it is directly sexual,

Say?

Well,

I feel like I feel like there's sexual pleasure is a really important part of pleasure.

And so is the pleasure of food and the pleasure of a good conversation and the pleasure of nature and the pleasure of beauty and the pleasure of,

You know,

Friendship and the pleasure of any,

You know,

Massage,

Whatever.

But I love,

I love sexual energy.

And so I do talk in the book about sexual pleasure.

And I talk about it both as a practice and also as a way to transmute something or to bring in more sexual clarity for yourself.

Yeah.

Do you think there's anything unique about sexual pleasure compared to the other things or any reason why it's tied to transmutation so much that idea?

Well,

Sexual pleasure is,

It's so similar,

Or it is of the same ilk.

I mean,

When you procreate to have a child,

You're using that creative energy.

And sexual pleasure and creative pleasure are so tied together to me,

They just feel so attuned.

Yeah.

And so,

You know,

If I'm creating something,

For sure,

I'm making sure I'm having,

You know,

Plenty of orgasms,

You know,

And being turned on just because that energy is so creative.

It's such a creative and it's also just a delicious,

Yummy energy to go through life with,

You know?

Yeah.

I mean,

Obviously,

I'm interested in like,

Everyone's ideas around transmutation.

I have my own.

But like,

Some things are like absolutely certain,

It's hard to be resentful when you're aroused or maybe not.

When you're really in pleasure,

It's hard to even hold on to negative thoughts,

Which I think is part of its potency.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think I have one last question topic for you.

Because another thing I loved in your book was the buying things with emotions.

And like,

You know,

I've read a lot of Law of Attraction stuff and different things of like,

You have to feel what you're creating.

But I love the way you put it.

If like,

If you want to buy,

Could you share a little bit about that?

Oh,

Sure.

Yes.

Yeah.

So,

For example,

A lot of people want peace.

But they're protesting for peace.

So they're not buying peace.

If you want to buy peace,

You have to start becoming peaceful.

Yeah.

You need the peace currency to purchase peace.

Exactly.

You need the.

.

.

And by currency is another word for frequency or vibration.

And it's also a word for money.

I find that very fascinating that money and vibration have the word currency in common.

So in order to really create peace in the world,

We need to exude peace,

Be at peace with yourself,

Be at peace with the people in your life,

Be at peace with your past,

Be at peace with your future,

Be at peace with your work,

Be at peace with your money,

Be at peace with your.

.

.

Anything that you've ever experienced.

Be at peace with the opposite political choice in the people that choose something different.

Be at peace with whatever anyone else in the world is doing.

When you can be in that kind of peace,

Now you are a missionary of peace.

Now you are able to bring that peace.

And not only are you buying peace for yourself,

But now you are showing that peacefulness and sharing that with people who are open to it.

And so now you bring that in.

And same thing,

If you want to buy love,

You've got to be in a state of love.

If you want to buy abundance,

You've got to be in a state of abundance consciousness.

If you want to buy health,

You've got to be in a state of healthiness.

And it doesn't have to be the physical state,

It's the vibrational state.

Do you have any last thoughts for someone who like,

Okay,

I believe that,

But Karen,

How do I get into that state if I feel this way or if my reality is this other way?

Well,

You know what,

This has felt so fun.

I would feel so happy to just share with people how they can get my book for free.

Yeah,

Please.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because if you send me an email,

And I'll give you the email in a second,

But if you send me an email and if you put in the subject line,

Chronic pleasure,

So that's C-H-R-O-N-I-C and pleasure,

Then I'll know that that's what you want and write your name in because some people's emails don't have a name,

So I can at least address you.

And then I will send you my book.

So my email is KarenLore,

So it's K-A-R-E-N-L-O-R-R-E at me.

Com.

So I'll say that one more time.

Karen,

K-A-R-E-N-L-O-R-R-E,

That was Laurie,

KarenLore,

At me.

Com.

And if you send me that,

An email like that,

I will feel happy to email my book to you and you'll find so many things in the book that will help you be able to transmute feelings that you have.

You know,

If you have something,

You can literally open the book up in any place that you want and go back to the beginning of that subject and read it and you'll probably get an answer.

Awesome.

Yeah,

Actually I stopped after the first exercise.

I just wanted to do it.

Yeah.

I'll read the rest of it later.

Awesome.

Well,

Thank you so much.

It's been great.

It's been great catching up and getting to know you better.

It's been awesome.

Thank you for coming.

Thank you,

Juan.

Thank you so much.

Yeah,

This feels really fun.

Thank you.

And we'll have the link.

We'll write out your email address in the description too.

Okay.

Thank you so much.

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