Being Patient, Practicing Patience

Is being patient possible? This episode explores how impatience shows up in our spiritual life, our physical bodies, our mental health, our day-to-day lives, and the suffering it causes. Then, we share tools and stories of how we're practicing patience to cultivate more love in ourselves and the world around us. Join us as we talk about trying to be patient and use patience as a spiritual practice. We laugh and are vulnerable as we share our personal growth stories.

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Lindsay Poney.

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And Poni and I both moved recently.

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And so now we're experimenting with making podcasts in different places.

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So this topic we have for today is one that has been coming up in my mind a lot.

And very specifically in the form of the Guns and Roses song Patience.

Oh,

She's going there.

Okay,

Didn't know if this was a personal,

Just for me story.

No,

It's for everyone.

Go.

It's real.

So if you have not listened to the song Patience by Guns and Roses lately,

Or ever,

Do yourself a favor,

Please.

Do the album version.

I'm just suggesting.

Put on headphones and get lost in the sweet siren whistles of Axl Rose.

Okay.

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Fun fact,

Poni and Axl Rose share a birthday.

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So the dictionary definition of patience is kind of a downer.

This is the this is the dictionary definition.

Bearing provocation,

Annoyance,

Misfortune,

Delay,

Hardship,

Pain,

Etc.

With fortitude and without complaint,

Anger or the like.

So basically,

The definition of patience per the dictionary is bearing bad stuff without being bummed out.

And that's true.

That's great.

But I have been thinking about it.

And I love this phrase Poni always uses a feeling tone.

It isn't one like the word doesn't feel weighted with like suckiness or saintly suffering.

Feels more like a word of hope and promise,

Not just like slogging through mud.

What if we think of it like a verb?

Like it's an actual action,

The activity of patience,

A sister to mindfulness.

Here I am,

Existing in the current reality that is not waiting or expecting or demanding that life,

Me,

Others are different immediately.

And I do mean immediately.

Yesterday.

Yes.

Clock's ticking.

You're late.

You're so late.

It's all late.

And there's no time,

No time.

So I thought today we could talk about patience for what the universe the higher order God whatever you want to call whatever it is has in store for us me versus what my expected and demanded timeline is.

So here are some things that we might frame what timelines or expectations can be around.

Healing career,

How relationships are or not going changing to meet my self-determined objectives,

Physical health,

Mental health.

I mean,

I feel like we could just everything everybody can form to all those things as I see and then I will be totally patient.

So what are your thoughts pony when you think about the word patient?

So did this topic bring up for you?

Thank you so much for even bringing up this topic because honestly,

As you can tell with that definition you so lovingly brought in that we all wanted to gag and say no thank you to it makes a lot of sense of with that type of definition why it's like,

Oh,

Maybe for other people they should be or could be or might want patients but whatever that was it's not really calling my spirit.

Thank you.

I'm really glad that I'd never looked up that word.

I remember I remember when in the beginning when I wanted I wanted to change my very being in essence and it could tell I like I needed some things to point towards and someone brought up virtues and I was like,

Wait,

What?

And so I,

I Googled virtues and,

And so one of them among many was patients.

And it's just so helpful that there's these guideposts and things that we can learn about and wonder what's that about and then maybe move towards it.

And the first thing I wanted to talk about,

Like on a deeper personal level is patience with myself,

Patience for myself,

And also when talking about the feeling tone,

So getting to know what it feels like inside myself as a set point.

I find this through meditation.

And the feeling tone is,

Oh,

I'm impatient.

I'm impatient with pretty much everything.

I'm in a rush,

And things needed to be done.

And there's not enough time.

And when that feeling tone is set,

I can't show up for myself in a way that is spacious and loving or kind,

You know,

It's a much more of a like,

You're late,

You know,

I'm going to start being the aggressive,

An authoritative disciplinarian.

Oh,

Gosh,

I'm fresh,

And I'm new,

And I'm having patience for doing a podcast right now.

I'm feeling rusty.

I don't have to do this perfectly.

I really am just trying to share about what it's like for me,

And getting to know the impatient side of myself that is here and has always been here.

And that I act like isn't here,

You know,

Because I'm productive,

And I'm getting things done.

And if I do things right,

And timely,

Then I will be lovable or acceptable.

So finding this,

What I liked how you were talking at the beginning,

And doing the definition and all of that,

And what I was looking into,

I was wanting to reframe and do so for the reframing its patience as a superpower,

A 21st century coping skill,

And you're kind of getting into that.

I loved all of that,

That you said in the intro.

Yeah,

The patience as a superpower is something that I want to turn towards.

And oftentimes,

For me,

I have to see that I'm impatient,

And that I'm flailing out.

I'm irritated.

I believe I have no time.

I'm looking for something in my bag.

I decide to throw everything out of the bag explosion.

And I'm also there's a layer of anger and irritation there.

Also,

I would like to say that accompanies my impatience.

So I've just thrown everything.

I'm looking as one would,

If you can imagine doing such a thing like that,

That actually takes more time,

More energy,

More effort.

So this patience,

Being able to call on to it as a coping skill and as a superpower.

So one day,

When I started to get in that same pathway of exploding,

Flailing,

Throwing things,

I sat down.

So I dropped everything I sat down.

And as slow as I could move,

I pulled everything out of the bag.

And I acted as though it was not a rush.

And I took the ultimate time.

And having that side by side,

Because it was like the next day after I'd acted that way,

That was very habitual,

Right?

Like I'm irritated.

I'm impatient.

I'm frustrated.

And that's also tied to the inability for me to delay gratification.

And in our modern times where everything is here and now like two day delivery,

No,

Excuse me.

It's also next day delivery.

Same date.

Yes.

Say,

Oh,

No.

It makes so much sense that I'm in this pathway of here now right away.

So that was just a little example of what patience,

Dare I say the absence of patience looks like in my life,

Because honestly,

What really helps me when going towards virtues and ideals is to see the absence of these and to see what is in the space when that absence of it isn't there.

So like me,

The behaviors,

Right of throwing and throwing all my stuff out of my bag.

So that's what I want to talk about right now is my impatience,

Impatient with myself,

Which leads into impatience with the world,

And whatever is in front of me at the moment.

And that is what I have to say for now.

Because once we get into the tools,

It's gonna it's gonna turn a little because that's what tools do to help us make the turn.

So thank you so much for the topic.

Thanks,

Pony.

I really 500% delivery.

Oh my gosh,

Relating.

Oh,

So as I listen to patients on repeat,

I do this where I obsess about a song.

And then I haven't listened to it in like two weeks.

So that's pretty cool.

I was also thinking,

Why does it mean to cultivate patience,

Like you're talking about pony,

And not just my ability to wait for the thing I think I want,

Or that I expect to get.

But patience with what my higher power or God is actually giving me on a day to day basis.

So a lot of this is patience with who I am currently,

Because this is a big part of my journey is really having this total disdain and disapproval for who I am right now.

And so I'm like,

Can I be patient with who I am,

And not patient in the dictionary definition,

Like I'm just gonna slog this mother out until it gets good.

So patience with my perceived shortcomings,

Patience with the fact that I'm not the boss,

And that I can't predict control or manage things.

And there's this really beautiful phrase that I've heard and read that time is a gift and not a threat.

And I just love it.

It kind of gives me shivers,

Because it kind of seems dangerous,

Right?

I'm like,

I feel like time is a little bit of a threat.

What kind of gift is this?

And like you were saying pony with the delivery,

Like we live in this world where everything needs to be better,

Faster now.

And so to disobediently think time is a gift,

And not a threat kind of goes against everything that I do,

Even like on social media,

Everything's ephemeral,

Like it's gone in 24 hours,

You know,

It's just like,

Oh,

Fast.

So when I'm in any land,

And I'm focused on any timelines,

I'm really in suffering,

Even though I feel like it's getting me somewhere good.

So this has been true for me in regards to my mental health,

My physical health,

My healing work,

My career,

I was thinking about this,

And I'm like,

Wow,

Everything except for my relationships,

Because in my relationships,

That's one place where I feel really satisfied,

Like my friendships,

My wife,

My family.

And I just wanted to say that because it that is a gift,

You know,

I'm like,

Oh,

That's really cool that I am patient and present in my relationships.

Just like you were saying with the contrast,

I have a direct contrast to like,

My relationship with myself.

So for me,

Lack of patience,

And the suffering that goes with it is usually because I'm scared that things aren't going to go how I planned,

Or I have expectations that aren't going to be met.

And so then I'm in friction until they happen.

So I have a really silly example.

And I debated about whether to share this or not,

Because it seems shallow.

But it's just like kept coming up in my head.

So that's what we're doing is just talking about pony and I were talking about this before we started recording.

We're like,

We just get to talk,

Share stories,

And that's okay.

So so for the last five years,

I've really wanted Botox.

Yes,

Girl,

Go off.

I can't believe you would not share about this.

Oh,

My God.

I couldn't afford it.

And I was just like,

I want it.

So and I'd had it before and I so I knew,

I knew how good it can be for me.

And I didn't have it.

And I was like,

Gosh,

I really look my agent,

Isn't that not satisfying to me.

And I look in the mirror every day and I critique myself,

I'd be dissatisfied with real life Amy and then I would think about the day when I had it and how happy I was going to be.

Just like all of it.

And so in tandem with this,

I've shared in this podcast so much about my bruxism,

Which is nighttime clenching and how I have a mouth guard.

But I have actually cracked multiple teeth through the mouth guard from my clenching and I've had multiple root canals.

So about a year ago,

My wife found out that Botox in your mass it is,

Which is like the lower cheek,

Aka nowhere that people notice cosmetically.

That if men,

People medically use Botox to loosen those muscles,

And it helps alleviate nighttime clenching,

Because your your muscles just don't tighten up.

Four years into me obsessing about Botox,

I get Botox,

But it's medically necessary.

And it does nothing for my wrinkles,

You know,

But I got rid of chronic pain and headaches,

And I stopped cracking my teeth.

So it's like I got exactly what I needed,

But not what I thought I wanted.

So I was really like,

I love to pretend I can figure out lessons and stuff.

And so I was like,

Okay,

Thanks,

Universe for showing me blah,

Blah,

Blah.

So then funny follow up,

We just moved.

And I have a new dentist,

And I was time for this quarterly injection of Botox into my masters.

And so I go to this new provider,

And she's like,

Oh,

Actually,

I do it in all over the forehead and between my brows.

Because that really helps with the holistic experience of the face clenching.

So like five years after this obsession started,

My forehead wrinkles are gone.

This is a part of like a medical treatment.

So I'm not saying be patient and God is going to give you Botox.

That's the dream.

But this story is just been in my mind because I don't know what it is my higher power has in store for me or what I need or how it will come.

If ever,

I feel like the part for me with patients isn't like,

Oh,

Eventually I got what I wanted,

But wow,

Look at those four years I spent not pleased with what I look like.

And just like really being out of this beautiful world,

Essentially,

That I live in and just thinking of how do people see me?

I don't like it.

It's not good enough,

You know,

Like,

What a waste.

So that's my story.

And then I have a tool that's the same but different.

So there we go.

Thank you,

Pony.

What about you?

In the vault,

We have a pretty spiritual episode about vanity.

We got it.

We got to do anyone,

I'd love to give you one except we're so vain that we cannot talk about all the things we do for vanity and then to open it up in this platform,

But one day we're pretty sure that we're gonna be able to,

But we didn't.

This isn't called totally spiritual,

All spiritual.

It's called pretty spiritual as in kind of for me.

So that's in the vault in one day.

The first tool that I want to talk about is I'm going to teach you the tool that I taught the baby that I take care of who I've always taken care of,

Since he was born,

And he's three now.

And I taught him that when we need patience,

What we do is we breathe.

And so we take a really big inhale,

And then we do an exhale.

Because as people know,

Anyone around children and moms,

Children are very impatient.

They are the brain on display.

That's why I love children.

And I love being a nanny and doing this job because they just are they are this bridge for me to see myself in this little human form,

And to remind me of who and how we are.

And so he'll get all crazy.

Maybe he wants a graham cracker right now,

Right now,

Right now,

Graham cracker,

Graham cracker,

Graham cracker,

Right?

So it's all happening just like when I throw my bag,

And I'll say,

Okay,

I need some patience.

I'm doing the thing.

I need some patience.

And I'll hear him.

It took a while.

Right?

I don't want to breathe.

I don't want to do that.

No,

But I just kept with it.

And I do it for him.

So we co regulate.

And so I'll say,

All right,

Kay,

I need some I need some patience right now.

And I'll hear him in the back go.

And I'm like,

Yes.

And then I will do it.

Yeah,

We we co regulate together because I have been trying even when it doesn't seem like it's landing.

And it's the same way for me.

You know,

I keep bringing in these coping skills,

These strategies,

These tools,

These plans,

When I don't want to when I don't think it's working.

And of course,

Sometimes he's just like me,

He'll be like,

I'm not going to breathe right now.

And I will honor that space that he's in.

And I will always just bring up the tool and the opportunity.

But I love that when I say we I need some,

We need some patience,

Let's work together.

He does the breathing and it reminds me I need the breathing and then we kind of get into a more spacious place for both of us to be wherever we need to be.

When it comes to patients,

Noticing the agitation and the irritation that is here because of the absence of patience.

One of my biggest tools is to drop everything.

I mean that just like how sometimes what I do is I just sit on the ground,

I need a physical somatic,

Full,

Stopping myself from being in the pathway of like,

Go,

Go,

Go all these things,

When I do something like just sitting on the ground,

It helps me to become more of my body and to refocus my intention and where I want to be.

So I really love a sit down at any moment.

So drop everything.

That means your timelines,

Your strategies,

And especially your control.

So when we're talking about time,

One of my favorite Buddhist things too that I remembered is the real issue is that we think we have time.

So it's either not enough or too much and like when things are over and things are going to be over,

You know,

We all thought we had so much time,

You know,

So just drop it all.

That's the big part of my tool.

And of course the breathing and then taking the time to practice.

So when you go somewhere and you're looking for that shortest line,

Remind yourself that this is an opportunity for you to practice.

Go to the person who has a sign up that says cashier in training,

You know,

Go to the longer line,

Stand there,

Be present,

Do your breathing,

See what it feels like to wait,

Notice your thoughts,

Notice what you're wanting,

Notice the wanting mind,

And really get familiar and notice that feeling tone and what it feels like to also say it's like set the intention of I'm practicing my patience right now.

What does it feel like to be patient?

What do I need to call in right now to move more towards patience instead of impatience?

So that's a way that a tool that you can practice real time application of this virtue.

And then just the last thing that really helps me another Buddhist thing that I really,

Really appreciate is nothing to do,

Nowhere to go,

No one to be.

And in Vipassana meditation,

It's the art of consciously arriving in each moment and knowing that experience as fully as possible.

And so when I get to remind myself that there's nothing to do when I say that,

And that there's nowhere to go,

And there's no one to be,

It really reorganizes and lets me drop into a space that honestly,

That's not where I'm at.

So what would it be like to try on that type of space and to be in that.

So those are my tools,

And I am practicing and I'm learning so much more daily on how much more patience I could have and that it definitely starts with for myself,

Because I can have a huge well of patience for other people.

But I noticed the more that I build this within myself that I deserve patience,

I deserve space,

The more that I can have it for me and it feels so different.

And then I can have real patience for the world and the things going on around me.

I'm noticing maybe so thank you so much.

I love that pony.

I love how you were talking about the internal reorganization.

Like your voice was just kind of,

I can feel it.

That idea of it.

Yeah.

I'm trying.

So cool that we get to think about this stuff and just try new stuff.

Yeah.

My tool is an example story of something that happened to me.

And I want to say,

Or just start this by saying,

I am a really big fan of,

This is just about me joking about Botox.

I'm a big fan of everyone,

Anyone modifying their body in any way they want and aging however they want or don't want.

So my problem with myself wasn't that I wanted Botox.

It was just really clear that the current answer was no.

And that I was fighting that,

You know,

I was just in this total conflict with reality.

I wasn't good enough.

I wasn't,

So I wasn't happy enough.

And just like,

What,

What is it like to just be patient with this is it?

And it's great right here.

My tool is similar to yours.

And I liked that you had really specific examples because my tool is to practice,

Which is like such a silly tool and to invoke the word.

And then I have this question of like,

Do I need to know,

You know,

Do I need to know?

And if I don't actually know,

Usually the answer is no,

You don't need to know right now.

And then can I,

Cannot be satisfying.

Like,

Can there be joy and,

And just right here,

Like kind of suspended in this moment.

So my wife and I went on a road trip in July.

There was wildfires all over Northern California.

We were in a pandemic.

So we get took this road trip out to like rural nowhere,

But we stopped through also in Sedona.

And it was so beautiful and there's all these stories about the vortex is there and this as the spiritual place.

And it's really,

Really beautiful for people who haven't been there.

It's just these amazing red rocks and desert landscape.

And there's this little chapel it's built into the side of these huge red rocks and it has this huge glass front.

And I love,

I'm not a member of any religion and I don't adhere to any con specific concept of a higher power.

But I love going in different places of worship because I feel like there's real power there of like people going into putting in energy into their relationship with their higher power.

And they do it in these places.

And this specific spot is just phenomenal because you're kind of hanging on the side of this red cliff looking out at these other red,

Red rocks.

So I'm sitting there and I had just gotten a root canal from cracking my teeth.

And unbeknownst to me,

I was going to have to have a second root canal and that same tooth because it had bacteria in it.

I know gross.

And so like I essentially had to have the second root canal in the same tooth within a month.

And my face just hurts so bad.

You know,

It's like I just wanted to rip my jaw off my face.

And so I'm sitting in this sweet little chapel.

And I just had this thought to ask God,

What's going to happen with my tooth?

You know,

And I just close my eyes and I was like,

What's going to happen with my tooth?

And I don't usually say prayers with the ask questions.

And I had the coolest experience of for the first time in my life,

Like feeling a physical presence near me and enveloping me.

Like I could feel it.

And then I felt slash heard this voice say,

It will take as long as it takes.

And this deep peace filled me.

I just like came through my whole body and this kind of clarity.

And I was like,

Of course,

It's going to take as long as it takes,

You know,

And it soothed me and it was just like,

Oh,

It's not my job right now to know my job is to take as good of care of myself as possible,

Do the next right step.

And the things that I need,

This isn't my business to know right now.

And I don't know,

It's like I felt this flash of understanding like everything made sense.

And of course,

Like a good pleasure craver.

I always want something more of something wonderful.

And this was like a really wonderful moment.

And so I've really tried to replicate that feeling of deep peace and deep connection and just deep understanding,

It felt like patience was just in me of like,

How perfect that I don't know,

Of course,

I don't know.

And I can't just,

I have to be patient with the fact that I haven't replicated that.

Yeah,

Yeah,

That was my moment for and maybe it will come again,

That sense of like,

Complete.

Oh,

Gosh,

Ease.

So that's my tool is just practicing,

Like calling on,

I'll know things,

Things will happen.

I'll be where I'm supposed to be exactly when I'm supposed to be.

And so my patience practices like,

This is it right here,

How perfect.

And I have journaling helps me notice if I'm stuck thinking that things are supposed to be different.

So that's my tool slash story.

For those of you listening,

Pony and I are video recording and rose the beautiful white cat with the sparkling spearmint eyes just joined us.

She never does this.

So she's decided to come here and lay in my lap and purr in the microphone.

So I love it.

She will allow it.

I bet patience is like having a cat for a pet.

You want them to do what you want,

But you got to just let them come when they're ready.

Oh my god,

She's the greatest spiritual teacher in the world of boundaries and refusing codependent behavior and unconditional love.

Yes.

Oh,

We have some listener tools.

Oh,

Yeah,

I noticed those.

We had two listeners share some tools with us and we want to share them with you because they're awesome.

So Julie said she notices a lack of patience when she's being impulsive.

She's lived abroad in India and Kenya and she's really noticed in these times living in different cultures and different approaches to life timing,

Etc.

In India,

India,

It was the concept of karma that helped her realize there's no need to rush things that time is an enabler and that this higher power we so often talk to refer to and call upon will take matters into its own hands.

So letting go of control is linked to karma.

So that really infused with her and then at her time in Kenya,

She also noticed like as a coming from a Western American social environment,

How society really pushes us to,

You know,

Chase this American dream,

Fight for what you want,

Work hard,

Da da da.

And there's actually being in in butte in this other culture,

She realized there's great wisdom,

Serenity and pleasure in letting life just do its thing and listening to its message and not rushing things.

So thank you,

Julie.

We love those perspectives and insights.

And then our friend Kim also shared that for her practices of patience,

Because often she can find herself in the middle of a drama tornado,

I feel like I can relate to that phrase.

And so what she does to help herself is start her day with yoga first and a long walk with her dog,

Which is so cool,

Like these somatic ways to just cool your body down,

Slow everything down and it gives her a buffer for the stress and the drama of her day.

So thank you to those two for sharing with us.

Excellent.

Excellent.

So great.

I'm grateful for all the listeners and the patients that you all have had for understanding what a labor of love this is.

I've certainly brought in a lot of patients around not having the capacity to be able to do it all and that being okay and how the ebb and flow of life,

How it comes and goes and how I can be really patient with that,

Just like radical acceptance of the things that we've been talking about.

That was another term that really was coming through for me,

Radically accepting what is here,

What can happen in the here and now,

Despite my judgments and thoughts and wanting mind really can help create a space for me to be in instead of my impatient nature,

My agitation and irritation that is my set point and patience really helps me as I'm doing this deep spiritual work,

Getting to know my set points and who I am.

It's really uncomfortable to see that I've had these habitual and continue to have these habitual states of mind and causes and conditions and behaviors that I have.

Bringing patience in as a coping skill and radically accepting what is really creates a lot more space for me to be able to be with what's here and essentially maybe one day be able to change and grow.

So I'm really grateful for the topic and I'm so thankful that I have a friend like Annie who's patient and can wait and we can figure out schedules and we can take time and we can just learn and grow together and this can look like and be whatever it is.

And so thank you all so much.

Thanks Pony I'm so grateful for you too.

And I really am feeling compelled to just use this platform for a moment to make a PSA about mental health.

I take an SSRI for anxiety and unbeknownst to me and per my doctor's recommendations I have been taking the medication incorrectly.

So my general practitioner was guiding me to take it in the incorrect way.

I was taking a different back and forth dose every day.

And under the suggestion of a friend I spoke with a psychiatrist and I have been for years really struggling with brain fog and not feeling like my brain worked how I wanted it to.

Turns out that is a really specific symptom of having inconsistent dosage of an SSRI.

So I just want to share if you are a fellow psychiatric medication taker and your brain feels like it's not doing what you think it normally might do or would do.

I really encourage you to talk to a psychiatrist or get a second opinion because I've recently changed it and it feels like my life is changing.

And I had a lot of shame and despair about what my brain was not what my brain was doing.

And I would hope for no one to experience that.

So I just wanted to share that in case that it might help somebody.

So thank you for letting me share.

Thanks for sharing about that.

Yeah,

And in patients for all of our own timelines,

You know,

Our culture really puts on there what things should look like and be like.

And I think that's a really another nice way to practice in real life is what parts of our culture don't line up for you.

And you don't have to participate in that,

You know,

And having patients around that type of stuff,

Too,

Is a really culture and society and peer pressure and what things are supposed to look like we can just put those timelines down as well and have patients for what wants to emerge and what wants to be here.

Yeah,

Yeah.

Yeah,

I've been really having peace.

I don't have any anger at this doctor.

I'm definitely communicating with them that there was an error that occurred but I just also feel like this is part of my journey and right.

It doesn't it all seems kind of okay.

So we'd love to hear what patients looks like in your life.

What does it mean to you?

What are you working on?

Comment or connect with us on social media and share with us there and we want to know.

Yeah,

Thanks so much.

Well,

Yep,

Something will happen.

Something will happen.

We don't know it's out of our control.

You know,

We're curious about it all.

Bye bye.

Reviews

Great topic! Patience seems to tandem with faith and trust for me. Breath work certainly eases the body to slow down and step back. The rest is already in motion. I don’t want to miss the desired outcome when it happens.

Had to listen to this one twice 💓 I have pretty spiritual with drawls ! I love listening to the pure raw real emotion . I can relate on so many levels every episode . It’s so reassuring and makes me feel renewed and refreshed . Just like hanging with my people lol it’s how it feels .

Excellent! Poni I loved the example of breathing with the 3 year old and my awareness I need to do this with my 3 year old great grandson that I keep weekdays. I’ve worked hard on my issues with rage to provide him a safe and loving environment from my outbursts and the hard work has paid off! So excited to see Annie and Poni back here sharing their hearts with us who are just trying to be our best. Much love. 💜💜💜

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🌷fucking love you Both!

🫂 lot's of love.

C.D.E

Olympia, WA.

Amazing!!! This was truly sensational 🙏

Very interesting! Thank you!