492: Human Design Made Simple With Emma Dunwoody

In this episode, I’m joined by behavioral coach and human design expert Emma Dunwoody. Emma and I explore what human design really is (beyond the “woo”), how it maps your unique energetic blueprint and why understanding your type can feel like a deep exhale of self-permission.

This conversation is both practical and inspiring. We talk about why so many of us are exhausted and burned out, how women’s energy cycles differ from the 24-hour “hustle” model, and how human design can guide the way you work, parent and build relationships. Emma shares powerful stories from her own life and business, and I share what I discovered in my own chart. Together, we explore how human design can help you shift out of shame and “shoulds” and move into a more aligned, authentic way of living, very much in sync with what it means to live from your Adult Chair.

Transcript

Hello everyone and welcome again to the Michelle Shelfont show.

I'm going to say it again.

Happy New Year.

I hope everyone's having a wonderful January 2026.

I am so happy to be in 2026.

It's going to be an incredible year.

I can feel it.

I'm wondering,

Do you feel the energy?

It just,

It feels so different than 2025.

I love this.

I talked about this in my newsletter.

So 2025,

According to Chinese zodiac,

Is the year of,

Or was the year of the snake.

So if you notice last year,

There was a lot of shedding of the old you.

So now in 2026,

You can start and step into the new you.

Actually,

I consider that to be the real you.

It's the you that's underneath all the false selves,

All the masks that we all wear.

So 2026,

It actually begins in the next few weeks,

According to the Chinese zodiac,

Is the year of the horse.

But it's actually the year of the fire horse.

And it is all about moving forward quickly with intensity.

It's going to be an incredible,

Incredible year,

But we're doing it from this new place of the true self,

Which of course around here,

We call your adult chair.

So this is why I was really excited to have Emma Dunwoody on the show.

She is just someone that I've known for years.

She's been on the show before.

She's talking about human design.

I love,

Love,

Love,

Love,

Love human design.

In fact,

My husband just walks around the house now and he'll say,

This is just who I am.

It's my blueprint.

It's in my design.

So when you were born,

If you look at the time of birth,

Where you were born,

The date of your birth,

It will specifically give you your human design chart that tells you so much about who you are.

For me,

It gave me permission to be myself completely.

No excuses anymore.

It's just who I am.

So we're going to break this down today.

This is one of these episodes,

You guys,

It's going to just help you so deeply learn more about yourself.

I'm telling you what,

We're taking all the woo out of this.

There is no woo at all.

This is concrete,

All about who you are.

And it's all about helping you understand your unique energetic blueprint.

This will help you to make better decisions,

Honor your natural rhythms that you move in and out of.

It will help you to move out of burnout into alignment.

We're going to also look at how to really blend the adult chair in with your human design chart.

It's going to,

It's such a cool episode.

I know you're going to love it.

You'll learn about learning your truth.

How do you set boundaries based on your style,

Creating the life that actually fits you based on your own human design chart.

So anyway,

And of course she got into analyzing a little bit of mine and I think you're going to find it validating and eye opening.

So I can't wait to hear what you think about this episode.

Here we go with the one and only Emma Dunwoody.

Emma Dunwoody,

Welcome to the Michelle Chalfant show.

I am so happy to see you sister.

It's been,

I think we just decided it was two years.

I know.

It's like,

Wow.

That,

It's been a big two years.

It's been a really big two years.

Cause I actually think I remember having a conversation with you about,

And it was a very secret conversation.

I'm like,

I'm not too sure about my marriage.

And two years,

It's nearly been two years since I've been separated,

Still bloody going through the divorce process with my husband.

So ex-husband.

So yeah,

I think it's been a while.

I'm super excited to be here.

I know.

I'm so excited to be talking about this.

I just love,

I love human design.

You know,

I,

I think that more people need to understand what it is.

That's why I was like,

I want you to come on.

I want you to talk about what it is.

It's not,

And it's not woo woo.

It's kind of like astrology.

People go,

Oh no,

I can't look at astrology.

I'm like,

Wait a minute.

If you understand what it is,

It's just based on your time of birth and where you were born and your birth date and all of this.

And it's concrete information.

And it's so incredibly helpful to understand these things about yourself.

So why don't we just kick it off with what the heck is human design?

Let's start out with that.

Yeah,

I love it.

And to be honest,

When I first came to human design,

You know,

I had this business that was,

I was a corporate,

A leadership coach,

Executive coach.

You know,

I was working with the C-level teams.

I was running workshops.

So,

And I used to be that person that was like,

Oh,

That's a bit woo.

What do you mean?

You need my birthday and birth time.

But what's really interesting is that astrology is the oldest science on the planet.

And it is a science.

It's not just something woo that someone made up.

It's literally maths.

It's mathematics about how the universe works and how you specifically interact with that.

So human design is,

I love to think of it because my background is behavioral coaching.

If you think about all of these personality or behavioral profiling tools that are very popular at the moment,

Like Enneagram or Myers-Briggs or,

You know,

Disk profiling,

All of them,

They're going to show you through a process of answering a bunch of questions,

It's going to give you an idea of who you think you are.

Okay.

So depending on the facilitator and how you go through that process,

Sometimes that can be really accurate.

Sometimes it can be really wishy-washy.

But the point is,

Is that there is a,

What we call a cognitive dissonance.

Because you have to answer questions,

You're answering questions from a place of who you think you are,

Right?

With human design,

There's no mind involved.

It's actually that moment when you were born,

Where we actually have these subatomic,

Atomic particles that are moving through us all the time.

But it's a reading of these particles called neutrinos.

And you can go look them up.

There's a whole facility in Japan that's studying them.

They're fascinating.

Like quantum physicists are obsessed with neutrinos at the moment.

And this is- Are you saying the word neutrino?

Yes.

So when you say a subatomic particle,

Are you saying it's a cell?

It's,

What is that?

Well,

It's one of the tiniest particles in the universe.

And what they actually do is they move through everything.

They're so tiny that they can literally move through everything that we perceive matter,

Right?

So as they move through matter,

What they do is they kind of pick up bits and pieces.

And then as they move through something else,

They'll drop off bits and pieces.

They literally brush off.

So,

And this is typical,

Emma,

I'm oversimplifying this.

So for the listening,

I apologize for the oversimplification.

But the point is that keeping in mind,

They're also quantum particles.

So there is no distance.

There is no time.

So when you're born,

The neutrinos that are passing through you,

They've also passed through the planets exactly at this moment in time.

It's a picture effectively of the universe,

Of the celestial bodies at the moment you're born,

How specifically they are influencing this being as it comes into life.

So that's where we take our reading from.

And then human design itself,

It's actually a Western astrology,

The Kabbalah tree of life,

The chakra system,

Hindu chakra system,

And the Chinese I Ching,

And all four of these ancient wisdoms are mathematically mapped together.

Now what that gives you is what I like to call,

It's your treasure map.

It's actually the map to all the treasure that lies within you.

I know for me,

I've always been a seeker.

I always want to know like,

How does the universe work and how can I experience and step into my greatest potential?

Basically,

A human design is going to give you all of the answers to that.

It's the science of differentiation.

So it's really your authenticity,

All mapped out for you.

Got it.

So it's a combo of those three things you said,

Astrology,

Kabbalah.

What are the three things you said?

The four.

So the Western astrology,

Then you've got the Kabbalah tree of life,

And that's how energy moves around your aura effectively.

Then we've got the I Ching.

So the I Ching is the book of changes.

So there's 64 ways,

According to this wisdom,

64 ways a human can transform.

And we call them the gates,

Or if you're into the Genki's,

That's also the Genki's.

And then which one did,

The chakra systems.

So they're the energy centers that we have in human design.

So this all came together,

And that's what human design is basically,

Yes?

Exactly.

It's all four of those mathematically mapped together,

But it's also effectively,

It's like your quantum map.

Like it's how to actually exist in a quantum reality.

It's your authenticity.

It's,

Yeah,

It's your energetic blueprint.

So,

And tell us,

So it's broken down into different categories.

So tell us about what those are.

Okay,

Cool.

So we start at what I like to call like the macro,

Right?

So we start with type.

Type is kind of,

There's only this,

There's four types plus a hybrid.

So some will say five types,

Some will say,

The old schoolers are like,

There's only four and a hybrid.

Either way,

Then we start to break it down further.

So we start to go into,

Okay,

Well,

How do we,

How are we specifically designed to interact with the universe?

That's our strategy.

How are we specifically designed to make decisions?

That's our authority.

Then we go into profile.

So we've got these two numbers and this is how we operate in the world.

So it's how we learn,

How we serve,

How we experience life.

Then we go even deeper and we start to look at the centers.

The centers are actually,

Sometimes they're colored in,

Sometimes they're not.

That means sometimes we have consistent energy,

Which is who we feel we are,

How the world sees us.

And then sometimes they're undefined.

So they're white.

And what that means is that's where we take in the world.

It's where we,

We're most empathetic.

It's where we literally feel the energy of others.

And every single human has their own combination of defined or undefined centers.

And then when we keep going deeper,

We start to get into the gates,

Into the channels,

Into the planets,

And we get into really deep nuances about each individual.

So what,

So it sounds like,

I'm just curious.

So what would someone want to learn from having their human design chart done?

I mean,

It sounds like it's a wealth of information.

Can you give us some tangible things?

Like what would someone learn from it?

So,

I mean,

Look,

To be honest,

From my perspective,

So those who know human design,

I'm a 3-5 emotional manifesting generator.

And I was actually just looking at your charts before we came on here and you're a 4-6 emotional generator.

And it's interesting because you're also the cross of the Sphinx,

Which I'm going to come back to later because you are the third Sphinx I've had a conversation with today,

Which means there's a message in your design for me,

But I'll come back to that later.

Yeah,

It's really cool.

So tangible things,

This is a really big thing for me because I'm a line three.

So it's all about experimentation.

So I've never been into the fluffy,

The woo-woo.

I've never actually,

I've tried so many times to study astrology,

Yet it just hasn't landed.

The thing with human design,

And obviously I've learned astrology through human design,

But it's a very,

In my eyes,

Practical.

It's very specific.

So why would people come to it?

One of the big topics we talk about,

Because I do a lot of focus on business and purpose,

Is burnout.

Our human design will directly show us how to avoid burning out.

It's also going to show us directly how to follow our purpose,

How to create a business that's aligned for us or a career.

It's also going to show us who we are in relationships.

It's going to really help us understand our life's work,

What really drives us and grounds us.

It's going to give us,

As I said,

Our profile really teaches us how we move through life,

How we learn.

So there's almost nothing it can't tell us,

Because when we go deep even into,

There's a certain part of the chart called the variables.

Some people will also refer to them as the arrows.

But then we actually get into the physical body,

The brain,

The environment we put ourselves in,

The way we see the world,

What motivates us.

So we can even go as deep as really understanding our own unique biology.

Some people have really started mapping,

For example,

With the gene keys with Richard Rudd.

When he looks at each gene key,

What human design calls gates,

Everything's mapped back to an amino acid or a part of the body or something like that.

And there's a lot of people mapping it all in that regard.

So there's almost nothing that it can't tell you about you.

And if it doesn't have a concrete answer within the map,

Ultimately your strategy and authority is going to guide you to the answer that you want.

Wow.

It's like everything.

Yeah.

It's pretty cool.

Like seriously.

Yeah.

Like it's so in-depth.

You could really study it and go on and on and on and on and on.

So what would someone,

Someone would come to you maybe and talk about,

Like,

I like that you said,

Like,

What's my purpose?

What are my blind spots?

What is more to my shadow aspects?

What,

Who would I talk about,

Like relationships?

What would be,

Who would be best for me in my relationship or what do I need in relationship?

Everything.

Yeah,

Absolutely.

I mean,

And look,

It really can,

The most important thing to understand,

And again,

I'm coming back to simplifying because of course that's actually my core talent is to be the creative rebel,

To kind of break the rules and simplify.

So I'm really good at going,

This stuff doesn't matter.

You know,

Like,

Yes,

You could actually,

You could study human design for decades and still not get to all of it because it's so deep,

But we don't actually need all of that depth.

What we need to understand is that this is really teaching us to trust ourselves.

It's teaching us to learn,

Okay,

Well,

What does my internal guidance system feel like?

How does the universe guide me in a certain direction?

How do I know what is correct for me and what isn't correct for me?

So really one of the primary things is that it's bringing the power back in to us.

You know,

It's giving us the power to sit in the driver's seat of our own life and it's giving us the power to,

Yeah,

Break all the rules,

Like really start to break all the rules.

I don't think I asked you a question though.

No,

I think you did great.

And I'm thinking about even astrology,

It gives me a deeper understanding of what's,

It's just,

It's so concrete to me.

There isn't woo-woo in it at all.

It's so concrete.

It blows me away every time I get my astrology chart done,

Like,

Oh my God,

It's so accurate.

It's crazy accurate.

But same with human design.

I haven't done a ton of it,

But the one I've done,

I've done a little bit of it with you,

Of course.

And it's just like,

Wow,

Just crazy.

So can you tell us the,

I know you talked about the different types.

So tell us about the four different types within human design.

Sure.

So it starts with manifestors.

Manifestors are here to initiate.

So they're the trailblazers,

The people who kind of start things,

You know,

They're the lighting of the match.

So a lot of people out there,

And I mean,

Look,

This is about 10% of the global population.

So they're not the majority,

But they are the people who are actually here to initiate.

Everyone else is actually in some form of response.

And this is where we burn ourselves out in so many cases,

Because we've been taught to,

You know,

Go after it,

Take massive action,

You know,

Initiate,

Initiate,

Initiate.

But really,

Generators are,

And that includes manifesting generators,

And I'll get to that in a minute.

They're here to respond.

Projectors are here to wait for the invitation.

Reflectors,

They're here to feel their way through and respond to that.

So most of us are actually here to wait for something to show up in our external reality,

And then our body's going to tell us this is correct for us,

Or this isn't correct for us.

Now,

With manifestors,

They start things.

They initiate things.

They're here,

They must inform where they're going,

But that's not asking for permission.

They're also people that are going to be very polarizing in some cases,

And that means that sometimes you're going to think like Johnny Depp.

You either love Johnny Depp,

Or you can't stand Johnny Depp.

Like it's one or the other,

And he's a classic manifester.

And when he's on set,

He just does what he wants.

He creates magic.

Everyone else responds to him.

That's what the like.

Then we go to the generator.

So the generator,

Once it's inspired,

Then it builds because it has energy.

It's like,

Yes,

I want to respond to this.

I want to build it.

I want to build the new world.

And that could be anything.

You're a generator.

I'm a manifesting generator.

So we build these businesses to serve the planet,

To create something that feels important to us.

So we're here to build.

Generators are always in response.

So you have to wait,

Even though you might have intuition,

You might have guidance,

You might have,

You know,

Direct connection to source.

That's all internal.

That's mental energy.

So what you've got to wait for is something external of you.

And I often tell the story of right at the beginning,

When I first had a podcast that wasn't the human design podcast,

I was in the shower.

I got this insight.

You need to change the name of your podcast.

And my ego's no,

You're not like,

Who are you?

And I was like,

Oh,

But I'm running my experiment and it's in my mind.

So I don't have to act on it.

And then the next day a mentor said to me,

You should do this.

You should do a podcast on this.

And I was like,

No,

Because my ego was still afraid,

But my whole body was like,

Yep,

I've got energy for this.

So generators are here to build and they're very magnetic people.

Oprah.

Oprah is a generator.

So when they're lit up about something,

They literally can continue to build anything and everything because they have consistent energy.

Then we have manifesting generators.

So this is the hybrid.

So fundamentally they're generators.

So everything I've said about a generator is true for a manifesting generator.

It's just that they have a bit of manifestor in them.

And what that means is they actually end up being a non-linear being.

So that means that if you're a manifesting generator,

The odds are you probably have done a bunch of different careers.

Again,

I've been a chef.

I've had a very successful advertising career.

I have managed an equestrian property and been a professional sports person.

Like I've done so many different things and now I'm an entrepreneur.

Exactly.

Right.

I've had a nanny.

Exactly.

And that's what an MG does.

You know,

We do a bunch of different things.

Okay.

And we have to learn not to accuse ourselves of being quitters because we're actually getting what we need from each one of these careers.

And we're very multi-passionate.

We're also here to demonstrate human potential.

So MGs can often feel like they're too much.

I often think of like Beyonce.

Okay.

So Beyonce is a manifesting generator.

And we can fall into that category where people feel like,

Wow,

You're a lot.

And I'm always like,

Embrace the a lot because that's what you're here to do.

You're here to demonstrate human potential.

So wait a minute.

What is the main difference then between you said a generator and a manifesting generator?

What is the main difference between those two?

Okay.

So technically what it is,

It's a motor to the throat.

So a manifesto has this makeup in its design that has a motor.

There's four motors in the human design body graph.

And a manifesto has a motor that's connected by a channel or a number of channels to the throat.

And this is basically what we call motorized energy.

It means that they have doing energy.

They have doing energy without needing to get it from somebody else or somewhere else.

Or wait for it to be bridged before,

You know,

Cause generators have the energy.

They can be doing the energy all the time,

But it's not connected directly to the throat.

Meaning that at some point that energy needs to be bridged to get to that place.

Manifesting generators,

They have a defined cycle,

Which is what determines all generators.

It's life force energy.

It's passion.

It's,

You know,

Like these people are the people that when they're lit up and they want to work,

They could just,

They can work and work and work because it's this endless consistent energy when it's correct.

And manifesting generators also have a motor to the throat.

So what that means is not only do they have that consistent energy to work and build and be passionate and all of those things,

But they also have this energetic independence to make it happen right now.

So that's what it's that hybrid between the manifester,

Which is the motorized throat,

The generator,

Which is the sacral being,

But a manifesting generator has both the motorized throat and the defined sacral.

So it's like,

It's a bit of both.

Okay.

Got it.

Got it.

Okay.

And how many,

What is the percent of the population,

This generator versus manifesting generator?

So it's about,

So it's,

It's just over 70,

I think it's like 74% all generators.

And then of that,

I think it's around like 40% or 40% of that 70% or just over are generators.

And then the rest are manifesting generators.

So there's more generators than manifesting generators,

But it's still,

It's a big part of the global population.

Okay.

So yeah,

Then we get onto projectors.

And if we,

So if we think about the metaphor,

The manifesters,

They start everything,

But they don't have to finish it.

They start it.

Then the generators and manifesting generators were like,

This is epic.

Like we're going to take this and we're going to blow it up.

So we were building,

We're building,

We're building.

Then the projectors are our wise guides.

So they watch all of this going on and they're like,

Okay,

I can see where you can do better with your energy.

I can see where you can stop doing this and you can start doing that.

These are people that can see very deeply into the other.

So they can see how specifically you're using your energy,

Especially us sacral beings,

Because they can literally just by kind of being in our aura,

When they're aligned,

They can kind of be like,

Wow,

You are doing all of these things out of obligation.

Because that's one of the challenges that a generator and manifesting generator will have is because they have the energy,

They just do it.

And they learn to just force themselves to do all of these things out of obligation and conditioning,

But it's really incorrect for them.

It actually shuts their sacral,

Their passion,

Their life force down.

So a projector is going to come along and say,

Hey,

You're doing this thing over here because you think you should.

What I think,

You know,

My wisdom is that you've got to put a boundary in place.

You've got to say,

No,

I'm not going to do that thing anymore.

Or I'm going to find a pathway.

You know,

If it's a career,

You know,

This career is actually burning out your life force energy.

So it would be helping the generator or the manifestor.

It could be the same.

It doesn't have to be,

You know,

It's not like they only help generators,

But it's actually them saying,

Okay,

I can see that your energy is being used incorrectly here.

So projectors have a lot of wisdom.

They'll have a lot of depth.

They tend to obsess about things and they get really deep into the nitty gritty and they love it.

You know,

Um,

The challenge is that they are on the planet to be seen and recognized,

But most people and specifically projectors,

They're not taught to get resourceful attention as kids.

And especially women,

You know,

Like especially women of our generation and the generation after us,

Like we're not,

If we are seen,

We're bossy or we're opinionated or blah,

Blah,

Blah.

But if you're a projector,

You're here to be seen and recognized.

And if you're,

As a kid,

You have this,

This intrinsic knowing that you want to be seen and you want to be heard.

So you force people to see you and hear you,

You force your wisdom,

You force your knowledge on others.

And then that becomes an adult pattern.

And all that does is repel people.

So the thing that projectors need to understand is first,

They need to value the wisdom that they have.

They actually need to come to this place where they're actually like,

Wow,

Yeah,

I see really,

Really deeply into things.

I can actually build this efficiency.

I know how to do it better,

But I have to wait for people to invite me to share that.

And the moment that people start to,

Projectors start to wait for someone to actually recognize them,

Then they see the magic.

Because once you're invited in as a projector,

We think of it,

It's like Yoda.

Once you're in and you're sitting on your cushion,

Like everyone's just going to sit at your feet.

They're just going to hear,

They just want to hear what you have to say,

But you have to wait for that invitation,

That recognition first.

Do you feel like that?

I just know a few,

I know two or three projectors and they have a hard time like starting their businesses.

They have a hard time,

But holy moly,

Are they wise?

They are so wise.

They are so gifted.

And I've sat down with them.

I'm like,

You,

You have to get yourself out there.

Like you have to be known and they can't to use your word,

Generate the energy.

They don't have that.

What's the word I want?

Like a foundation or something,

Get them going,

Like get off the couch and get yourself out there because you got to do more than just talk to individuals here and there.

It's like,

Get out there and really make something of yourself.

Is that a typical of a project?

Yes.

This is great.

Like such a great example.

Again,

You know,

For us as well,

Because we deal with a lot of businesses or a lot of entrepreneurs,

And this is a big problem because projectors don't have that sacral energy.

They can borrow it from us.

So,

You know,

There's lots of strategies that we will teach,

You know,

Like,

Can you be in a,

In a work share place where you can borrow this energy from somebody else?

But one of the things that I talk a lot with my clients is,

You know,

Being a projector and manifestors can have a problem with consistent energy.

Projectors will tend to have a problem with not having that energy,

Like that real,

Like doing energy.

And again,

That depends on their definition.

If I've got a defined root center,

Then that won't be a problem.

But,

And so can reflectors.

But one of the things I'll say to all of my projectors and all of my clients,

But really for the non-sacral beings,

You've got to get on AI.

You've got to get onto all of these systems that are going to do the doing for you because they don't have that same consistent energy.

Like we can just keep pushing through like,

And it's not even a pushing through,

Like we literally pulled in a direction to do the doing for something that we lit up for,

But they don't have that energy consistently.

So they have to find ways to either borrow it from somebody else.

Like work share is an idea that I kind of came up with then,

Or they have to be very conscious of how they build their business in ways that they find,

You know,

Like a projector wants to hire an EA as soon as they possibly can,

Or hire a marketing person as soon as they possibly can.

Like it's got to be their priority because for us,

Especially,

You know,

When I started my business as a manifesting generator,

I'm designed to have 50 balls in the air.

Like I can have 50 balls in the air.

I know where they're all at.

I can take care of all of them.

But a projector doesn't have that same potential.

They're going deep,

Not wide.

So yeah,

It's definitely something to consider.

Like how do I specifically get it off the ground?

And that's all about,

Well,

How do you find structures that support your energy?

That's so good.

Yeah.

And,

You know,

You keep talking about energy.

So really,

Is it the basis of all of these four different types is about energy and how we utilize and use energy and generate energy or gain energy?

Yeah.

So the whole thing,

Like human design is all about our energy.

And there is like the fourth type is a reflector and a reflector has,

And I'll come back to the energy question.

But a reflector is,

It's only 1% of the global population.

Projectors are about 14%.

Oh,

Wow.

And they are,

Reflectors are our mirror.

They're actually reflecting back the truth.

So if you're in a relationship with a reflector,

Any sort of relationship,

You are probably not seeing them.

You're seeing you.

So if you love them,

That's you.

If they trigger you,

That's you.

So it's really important when you have reflectors in your life,

They're telling the truth.

They're telling the truth of a business.

They're telling a truth of a community.

They're telling the truth of a country.

They're literally reflecting back the truth.

So it's super important that reflectors are in relationships,

Environments,

You know,

Support themselves with opportunities that feel good for them because they're amplifying everything that they reflect back.

So energy.

Yes.

The entire human design is all about,

And I mean,

Everything is all about energy,

Right?

So what we're talking about from a type perspective,

It's really what we call our aura.

Okay.

So this bubble that we walk around in,

That's about,

They say about six to eight feet around us.

Again,

Human design would kind of say they vary in size depending on our type,

Like the manifester and the manifesting generator have really big auras.

The generator has a very inviting aura,

Like same with the MGs.

Like people just want to be in there because it feels really comfy.

The projectors have this like penetrating aura,

Like they really deeply see.

So they can be uncomfortable because they deeply see or they can be comfortable because they deeply see.

So it really depends where you're at,

Right?

And reflectors,

They actually like,

They're kind of like a,

You know,

You're feeling you come back at you.

So it's this very,

It can be confronting or it can be good depending on where you are in your journey.

Right.

But ultimately it is all about your energy because what human design says is,

And this is how I'm always teaching it is like in our space,

We are talking about building businesses,

Let's say,

And we are operating from this old paradigm that says,

This is the way you build a business.

Step one,

Step two,

Step three.

There's so much wrong with you know,

Like number one,

Most,

Most of those strategies are created by old white guys,

Right?

So that's not everybody.

And it's certainly not the feminine.

Our energetic cycle is 24 days.

The masculine energetic cycle is 24 hours.

Wait,

What does that mean?

That's interesting.

Yeah.

So the energetic cycles,

If you think about,

And you can look at this through health and wellbeing as well,

But if you actually think about,

We are fundamentally taught things like consistency,

For example.

Consistency means you do the same thing every day.

Yes,

If you're a man,

Because the masculine has a 24 hour energetic cycle.

So what that means is they wake up,

They have energy,

They go through that energy,

They finish that energy,

They go to sleep,

They wake up and they start again.

But for women,

Our energetic cycle is 28 days.

So we have these three,

Four very different phases of our energy.

So if we're building a business,

Then we need to be conscious that we have one week that we're on fire.

In fact,

We're going to run rings around any man,

Like watch out because everything's going to get done that week.

Then we have a couple of weeks that kind of sit in the middle.

And then we have one week where we really need to retreat and listen and receive.

So,

You know,

Just on our energetic cycle,

We want to start building businesses that have that flexibility and freedom.

So human design is even more specific than that.

You know,

So for you and I,

As I said,

We have this real consistency.

But one of the big,

You know,

Really important things for my business and my specific design is I have my consistency,

You know,

Like a success coach would look at me and go,

Oh,

You need to be more consistent.

And for years I forced myself to show up and do the same thing every day.

But I just felt exhausted until one day I was experimenting with my human design and I realized that,

Wow,

I had reached the top level of my sport.

And by any definition,

A success coach would have told me along the way,

You will not succeed because you're not consistent enough.

Yet I did it when I had,

I trained when I had energy for it.

You know,

I wasn't professional.

It was just something I loved.

It just kind of flew out of me as a kid.

And I looked back and went,

Oh my God,

My consistency looks like intense week,

Two weeks of like,

Like 70%,

One week,

You're lucky if I even turn up.

But I still hit all the metrics.

Like I still created success.

So in my design,

I actually have a very prominent gate,

Which is called the gate of aloneness.

And it's this energy that's like,

I want to provide,

I want to provide for the tribe.

I love to provide.

I love to make money.

I love to do,

I love to create resources.

And the other half of the time I'm like,

Can you all go away and leave me alone?

Like I literally want to do nothing.

So it's this energy that my entire business is built around freedom because I'm a manifesting generator.

So I have to have freedom.

The ability for me to work one week and then have a week off.

So I constantly work a week and then have a week off.

And I've built this business that I don't burn myself out.

I constantly have energy for it.

You know,

Even last year I went through some really challenging months,

Which I hardly even looked at my business,

But my business was fully set up to support me because it's set up according to my design.

And then everyone within the team,

Same deal.

Everyone,

Their role is perfectly designed for their design.

And which means that they do,

You know,

They do the best they can because they're coming from intrinsic motivation,

Not,

You know,

Forcing themselves to do something that doesn't feel correct for them.

I love that.

So each and every person on your team has a role that is designed based on whatever type or their whole design you're saying.

So yeah,

So once we hire them,

Let's say funnily enough,

For example,

Taylor,

Right?

So Taylor,

Who I talk about a lot,

She's my COO.

So she's the chief operating officer.

She takes care of all the operations.

She actually is also the marketing director.

She's a manifesting generator,

So she can wear many hats,

Right?

I hired her as a VA and very quickly I was like,

Oh,

This,

This VA is so much more than that.

Now,

From a human design perspective,

She actually has some very,

Not only does her design,

Her core talent is my life's work.

So that straight away,

I was like,

Holy shit,

This is,

This is important,

Right?

This makes sense.

Yeah.

But she also has this profile.

She's a 5'1 profile and 5'1 profiles have this ability,

Like talk about world domination.

These,

There is,

These are extraordinary people,

Right?

Wow.

So really early on,

I was like,

Wow,

She's a manifesting generator.

So she needs a lot of freedom.

That's lucky because I don't micromanage.

She also has this gate of ambition in a very prominent place.

So she wants to like be pushed again,

Manifesting generator.

She wants to be out of her comfort zone.

She wants to lead.

I am a line three and she's a line one.

I'm messy,

Don't care about the details.

I'm all about experience.

She's a line one.

All she cares about is the details.

So again,

We have these beautiful complimentary energies,

Even my PR person.

So she's exceptional and she's a line four.

So everything comes through relationships because the line four is all about relationship.

So she's so exceptional because she has these genuine friendships and relationships with all of these people.

And that's actually her magic,

To connect through people and to connect people through people.

So when we understand a person's design and we also hire people like our EA,

Who again is extraordinary,

Sherelle,

Same deal.

We actually had 60 something people apply for the job.

We got it down to,

I think 15 resumes and charts,

Like looked at all the charts.

And then when we interviewed,

Like we just followed strategy and authority.

We went through this whole process and she's again,

Extraordinary at what she does because on her design,

We can actually say what's going to light her up.

What's she about?

What's her energy like?

She's another manifesting generator because otherwise working with two other manifesting generators could be really uncomfortable for her.

But she's like,

It doesn't care that we're like,

Oh,

I'm going over here.

Oh no,

Now I'm going over here.

Oh,

Now I'm going over here.

Like,

She's like,

That's how I'm wired.

So it's fine.

Oh,

It's perfect.

I love that.

Oh my God.

I love that.

What about in relationships?

Like,

I guess I'm guessing it doesn't matter if two manifesting generators come together or projector,

Like that doesn't matter really,

Right?

There definitely is a lot of people out there that will tell you,

You know,

Like in astrology,

You know,

You should be with this type or that type.

And I've got to say like that is total BS.

I don't agree with it at all.

There are certain things that are going to help relationships.

Like sometimes you can have what's called a harmonic profile.

I was actually talking to a friend of mine the other day and like some profiles just harmonize better than others.

So for example,

My friend's a three five,

Same as me and her partner is a six two and it's,

That's a harmonic profile that goes really nicely together.

So there are those sort of things,

But I think where human design absolutely shines in relationship and whether this is an intimate relationship or parenting or friendships is that you actually can see the truth of this person.

So instead of treating someone the way you think they need to be treated or treating a person the way you want to be treated,

You actually go,

You can see through that.

You can say,

Okay,

Wow,

If you're a projector,

You need to be recognized.

So am I recognizing my partner?

Am I actually listening to the wisdom that they're giving?

Am I inviting them in?

Am I saying,

You know,

Like,

Come in,

Share your wisdom.

Or if you're with a manifestor,

For example,

Like a manifestor needs freedom.

So if you're in a relationship with a,

With a manifestor,

You need to be really okay with the fact that that person might go,

Hey,

I'm going to go spend six months in,

I don't know,

Borneo.

And it might not be that extreme,

But the point is that the manifestor needs to be,

You know,

Needs to have freedom.

If you're in a relationship with a sacral generator,

You've got to,

When they say no,

You just got to let them be.

No,

They don't have to justify it.

They don't have to tell you why it's like,

No,

I don't have energy for it.

So once we start to understand our personal design and then those around us,

Then all of a sudden we are treating them or parenting them or whatever it is in the way that they can receive it best,

That they can feel loved.

They can feel seen.

So many reasons to learn what type you are and not only just what type you are,

But to do a deeper dive.

Right.

Yeah.

I love it.

And I think that's the thing with human design.

I,

You know,

For,

For so many years of unpacking people's charts and,

And,

And all of that,

I don't hear people say,

Oh,

That's a surprise.

I don't ever hear that.

I hear,

Oh my God,

You've given me permission to be me and my experience,

You know,

Like I just,

That classic story of,

I feel like all of us have this story,

You know,

In the world that we work in,

But I just felt like I didn't fit in.

I was different to everybody else.

I constructed by my reality,

Different,

Differently to everyone else.

You know,

I was dyslexic,

So I didn't learn the way everyone else learned,

But,

You know,

That for me,

I think this is where human design made simple is so important for me is because I think so many of us feel that way,

You know,

So many of us feel different and it's because we live in a world that wants to put us all in one bucket,

Or maybe if we're lucky three buckets,

But the truth is,

Is that there are millions,

Billions of expressions of being human.

And human design gives us that distinction and human design made simple,

Which means we need to let go of the woo woo and the fluff and the,

You know,

People who are really attached to this,

This original knowledge that it has to be like this,

Because in my eyes,

Actually,

I just need people to pick up the basics.

They don't need to know all the details.

They can always go and get readings.

But the truth is,

If you know your type and inside your type,

You know,

Your signature and your not self,

And this is all in the book,

You understand your centers,

What's defined and undefined.

You understand your profile,

Which is your two numbers.

Then you have your strategy and authority.

You don't actually need anything more.

I mean,

I teach everything else,

But you don't need anything more.

So for me,

The way we're going to get human design out globally and let it,

You know,

I'd love my grandkids to go to school with their human design.

So we're actually educating children in alignment with the way they're designed to,

To learn and to grow.

Because like,

I would have never gone to a school where I sit in a classroom.

That just wouldn't have been me at all.

I would have been out.

I would have been experimenting with things.

I would have had my hands in the dirt.

I would have been running around.

I would have been very active.

So the simplicity of this book is anyone can pick it up.

You don't need knowledge of human design.

And then you can literally make these beautiful changes to your life.

And you don't even need to change too much.

You just need to acknowledge that that's the truth of who you are and yet start integrating and living from that place,

Making decisions from your line to authority.

And it's amazing how life changes,

Because if I go back to that example with projectors that you shared,

If a projector listens to their strategy and authority.

So one of the things I see in projectors a lot in business is here they are,

They're trying to create a business like a generator or a manifesting generator.

So they're starting at the beginning.

They're trying to build things from the ground up.

The truth is if you're a,

If you're a projector,

What's probably going to happen is if you research in this area,

If you are obsessed with something and you're building efficiencies around that,

If you just like talk about it,

Share it with friends,

What's probably going to happen is you're going to get invited into something.

So you are potentially invited in to become an expert or to become a coach or a guide or whatever.

And then potentially your business comes off the back of that because you never had to build the foundations in the first place.

So when we follow our strategy and authority,

It takes us where we want to go without doing it the way we think we should do it.

It really gives us permission to be who we are.

That's what I love so much about it.

Like in reading about it,

It's like,

Oh,

That's why I do X,

Y,

And Z.

And it's just part of who I am.

Like I'm not meant to change.

I don't have to change this part of who I,

It's just who I am.

There's no work to be done.

I'm just going to accept it.

It was like,

Oh,

Let me take a deep breath.

I was really like,

Oh,

I can take a deep breath because it's just my makeup.

It's my human design.

So that's what I love about it so much.

So good.

Anything else you want to share?

Well,

You know,

Yes.

One of the things that I love about human design,

And it's funny because I was just touching on this before we hit record,

Is that it can also really,

I mean,

As I said,

I'm a seeker.

So I'm constantly watching my external reality to see what it's mirroring back to me,

Because it's mirroring back the truth for what's going on inside of me.

So whatever happens out there is informing where I'm at in here.

So it gives me clarity,

Right?

One of the things I love to do is there's a part of our chart called your incarnation cross.

And this is the,

It's effectively the purpose of your aura.

So you don't have to do anything.

It's always happening.

Okay.

You don't have to worry about,

Oh,

I have to do,

Be more like this.

No,

You don't.

It just happens.

And the really cool thing is in the last 24 hours,

I've interviewed two crosses of the Sphinx,

Which you are,

My youngest son,

Who's a cross of the Sphinx.

I just actually had a,

I'm going to say argument.

It wasn't an argument.

It was just,

You know,

An enthusiastic conversation just before I got on here.

And he's also a cross of the Sphinx.

And what I love about that is that I can go directly to the knowledge or to,

You know,

Really dive into that,

The cross of the Sphinx.

Cause what's happening is that my energy,

So my heart,

My soul,

My higher self,

Whatever you want to call it.

It's preparing for a change because the Sphinx is all about change.

And I've been working on healing so much,

You know,

So much has been changing in the background,

But it's like,

It hasn't landed in the,

In the 3d world.

And the fact that the last 24 hours,

There's all of you guys,

All of these Sphinxes showing up and like,

Whoa,

It's happening.

Like it's here.

So that's the other thing I love about human design is it's so often,

If we know other people's design,

We're also getting real-time feedback of what's going on in our reality because we're calling in their energy.

Love that.

So good.

I love that I'm the third Sphinx for you.

Yeah.

So good.

Threes are so powerful for me.

So I love that.

Thank you.

They really are.

Thank you so much.

And thanks so much for having me.

It's been so much fun.