486: Reclaiming You Beneath The Conditioning W/ Anjie Hipple

This week, I’m joined by the beautiful Anjie Hipple for a powerful and heartfelt conversation about what it means to come home to yourself. Anjie shares her story of growing up in an environment that didn’t feel emotionally safe and how that early survival mode shaped her identity.

We talk about the masks we wear to stay protected, how trauma pulls us away from who we really are, and the work it takes to reconnect with our truth. Anjie offers such honest and inspiring insights about emotional healing, self-compassion, and the power of doing the deeper inner work.

This conversation is especially meaningful if you've ever felt disconnected from yourself or unsure of how to move from surviving to truly thriving.

Transcript

Hello,

Hello,

And welcome to the Michelle Chalfant Show.

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you that are celebrating Thanksgiving today.

I hope you are taking some lovely time today and not just eat turkey,

And not just sitting around eating and all the things that we do on Thanksgiving,

But really sitting back today and having gratitude about all the things that we can be grateful for today.

Such an important practice because it really does put us in our heart space.

And I just want to say I am grateful for each and every one of you.

I love spending Thursdays with all of you,

So I'm just going to start there and say I'm grateful for all of you.

I'm sending all of you so much love today.

Alright,

So let's talk about today's episode.

Today on the show I have Angie Hippel,

And wow,

We had such a conversation I had to break the show up in two,

So you're going to hear part one today and part two next week.

So Angie Hippel is an incredible spiritual teacher.

She is someone,

Though,

Let me just tell you a little bit about her.

She was raised in the Bible Belt in a fundamentalist Christian home.

Her father became a Southern Baptist pastor,

So she was deeply devoted to faith from childhood.

She went on to have a very,

What we would call,

Quote-unquote,

You know,

Traditional life.

She got married,

She raised three children.

Life went on,

And she talks all about this.

She talks about her story on the show today.

And then she got COVID.

And while she had COVID,

She was down for not just a week or two,

She was down for a long time.

And it was then that she had an unbelievable spiritual awakening.

And she talks all about it on the show.

And because of this spiritual awakening,

She was able to do so much of what we talk about on the show,

Really tap into her true self.

She was able to remember who she is and why she's here.

And as a spiritual teacher,

Something that she does now is she connects with an incredible spiritual team.

They're called Judah,

And she talks all about them and how this all happened.

And now she works with people to release programs,

Mind structures,

The roots of disease,

Past life karma,

Even egoic patterns that are shrouding the soul's enlightened state.

She's such an incredible human.

I'm so excited to have her on the show today.

So again,

Open your heart and your mind to today's episode because when we do that,

It helps us to remember a little bit more about who we are.

So I can't wait for you to hear the show.

Here we go with Angie Hipple,

Part One.

So welcome to the Michelle Chalfant Show,

Angie Hipple.

Hi,

Michelle.

We're almost neighbors,

I feel.

I think we are.

We're like about 40 minutes apart from each other.

So it's fun to have you in North Carolina with me.

I know.

It's great to be here.

We should have done this in person now that I think about it.

Oh,

That could have been next time.

We'll do Part Two in person.

Thank you for being here.

I am very much looking forward to this conversation.

I think I found you maybe a year and a half,

Even two years ago,

And I did come down and see you speak one time live and that was so fun.

And I said,

I've got to have her on the show.

So it's finally here.

And we're going to speak a lot.

There's so many things I have written down.

I'm looking at my list.

So many things that I want to talk with you about today.

We're going to discuss physical ailments.

We're going to talk about emotional health and how do you have really healthy mindset.

All of these things we're going to talk about today.

And that's something that you speak a lot about.

How do we clear limiting beliefs and wounding and all of that.

But I feel like I would love to start with your story because I think it's an incredible story.

Tell us about who you are and how you got here to where you are today.

I was just a typical American kid.

I grew up in the Southeast,

In the Bible Belt.

My mother and her family and also my father's family were nominal Christians,

I would say.

They were raised in church,

My mom and dad.

When I came along,

They were busy pursuing the American dream,

Making money,

Success,

Having all the things and all that.

As I grew up,

I began asking my mom questions about life,

God,

Why is the sky blue,

Things like that.

My mom decided she'd better get me to church because she didn't know exactly how to tell me the answers.

When I was about seven,

She took me to church for the first time.

There was something,

Some pull or draw in me to understand this unseen realm and know this beautiful Jesus that I saw in the stained glass windows.

I had a lot of heavy buy-in personally in the Christian faith as a very young child.

My father ultimately became a minister when I was in middle school.

He was the pastor of a southern Baptist church.

He was in that Jerry Falwell,

Strict fundamentalist vein of Christianity.

I was raised in all of that.

I had some really cool,

Very real experiences with the divine when I was seven,

Eight,

Eleven,

Twelve.

I could describe them to you.

They were really profound.

I probably finished reading the Bible for the first time cover to cover when I was eight or nine years old.

I occasionally would just read a story.

I would read all of my own accord when I was by myself.

That's what my Sunday school teacher taught me to do.

I remember sometimes feeling like the words on the page had been specifically,

This is maybe my narcissistic or just childlike imagination.

God actually pinned those just for me at a moment in time when I would read them.

I felt really personally guided by some of the things that were there.

So I grew up in this faith.

I got married very young which I'd kind of been conditioned to do.

Be a mom,

Be a wife,

Be the good Christian mother,

Serve in the church,

Serve in the community.

Did all those things for decades.

I had three children with my first husband.

We were together 27 years.

There was a lot of good things in there and also a lot of crazy things.

There was quite a bit of oppression,

Religious rules,

Dogmas,

Limiting beliefs.

I struggled a lot with depression.

I had been on antidepressants on and off most of my adult life.

I once saw a therapist that told me I would never get off of them.

I need to just resign myself to having this mild depression my whole life.

Now today,

I have taken zero medications.

I have beautiful health.

I'm not perfect,

But I'm not suffering.

I learned through my awakening process,

Which we'll get into later,

That suffering is the byproduct of the ego.

The ego is not some kind of devious,

Devilish tendency in me or in us.

Instead,

It's these young,

Fragile,

Hurting parts from our past,

Painful memories that are stored in our subconscious mind that can sometimes push or pull us to act in ways that aren't really congruent with who we really are.

We adapt.

We can get into more of that when I finish my story about how we adapt ourselves.

When I got to be in my mid-40s,

Fast forward,

Still living in the Fundamentalist Christian Church,

I loved to sing and lead worship.

I was in a mega church,

Similar to a Hillsong church,

Where I would sing for thousands of people.

I loved that,

Enjoyed that so much.

I was always well-received in the church community that I was in,

My family.

I taught school.

I was teaching second grade.

I had three grown kids,

Almost grown.

Two teenagers,

One had already moved out,

And I had my first grandbaby.

Just a busy,

Happy life,

But a lot of suffering underneath still.

I was the consummate personal development self-help guru.

If it was on the self-help shelf,

I had read it,

And maybe three or four times.

I remember one time,

Just to tell you how in the zone I was with this stuff,

I had a friend that decided to go to get her master's in psychology,

And my gift to her was several grocery bags stuffed full of psychology.

I thought,

She's going to need these,

And I'm done with them.

In my mid-forties,

My dad died suddenly,

And it was a major earth-shattering change for me in so many ways.

I've found as we progress with our talk,

And I talk about how I got into this spiritual space,

What I have found is most people that have what we call this buzzword of an awakening have some kind of major happening in their life.

The death of a loved one,

A near-death experience,

A brush with cancer,

Something like that that kind of kick-starts this questioning of what is and how I've done things.

So my dad died suddenly.

I got a phone call that he was dead.

I was the only child.

I was the apple of his eye.

I adored my father.

When I got the call,

I was stunned.

I was in shock.

I rushed into the closet to throw on some clothes to go to the hospital a couple hours away to be with my mom,

And as I stood in the closet,

This presence came in the closet.

It's the only way to explain it.

I felt instantly elevated into a state of bliss and joy that I've never experienced before.

It was just giddy and elated and just beyond description,

Really.

I knew it was my dad.

I knew that when my dad left his sweet body in the hospital,

Somehow he came to me in that closet to check on me,

Just to let me know the joy that he felt,

The love,

The bliss that he was in.

It was a beautiful moment.

For about a year after that,

My life began to just crumble in many ways.

I inherited my father's business.

There were several families dependent on that income.

I was running back and forth a two-hour drive from where I lived and my job and my kids and my responsibilities to look after my dad's business and run my business,

Run his business and make sure everybody got paid.

The gentleman that worked for him for 30 years began stealing from us.

Everything just went nuts,

Just nuts.

Whatever could come apart came apart.

My marriage began to disintegrate in this time,

Too.

I ended up divorced.

The cool thing was,

In all of it,

There was a light calling to me.

That sounds kind of weird and metaphorical,

But I was feeling free for some reason.

I was feeling a shift coming.

I was feeling a change.

I was feeling myself changing.

I was allowing myself to question things that hadn't worked and why I was here and really look in myself a little more.

I had begun having acupuncture at that point,

Which was a real step off the path for me because I'd been kind of impressed that kind of stuff was dangerous from my religious community.

Anyway,

I began to kind of allow myself to explore a little bit more outside of my Christian container.

I started really getting set free and feeling better in a lot of ways.

I hit this really intense kind of awakening.

During that season,

I met my new partner.

Actually,

Today's our fifth anniversary.

Happy anniversary.

Thank you.

He was really my guru.

He was more than just my lover and then my partner.

He was really my guru.

He really taught me,

Opened my eyes to so many things about myself and about life and the nature of the universe.

He was the total opposite of everything I had been.

He was a true child of the sexual revolution.

He had spent years in an ashram with an enlightened being.

We were like oil and water.

Maybe it was great,

Salt and pepper.

The intensity of my growth process really kicked in with him because he had a magical way of pushing my ego buttons.

I had decided I was going to let them break if I could.

Just let those buttons,

My triggers,

Get finally broken.

What a beautiful divine union,

I should say,

If there's a better way of saying it.

If we think about the soul's path,

You went from a very Christian background to then meeting this man that has lived in an ashram.

It couldn't be,

Like you said,

Like salt and pepper,

But he was such a big part of your awakening experience.

Clearly,

He was divinely inspired or divinely put right on your path at the perfect time.

Yeah,

Absolutely.

I did feel that.

There was a point actually,

There was a day that I was going to meet him very,

What's the right word,

Platonically.

No romantic thought had passed through my mind or his.

As I got in the car and I was about a mile from where I would see him,

The whole car filled up with this presence.

It took my breath away.

I couldn't breathe.

As it was happening,

I thought his name,

Chuck.

I thought maybe he'd done some kind of magic on me or some kind of voodoo or something.

I thought,

Who's this person?

Why did this just happen?

Now that I look back on it,

I think it was those angels present just saying,

This is it.

This is the way.

This is us.

We're letting you know we're in this.

We're in this.

Keep going.

That moment really gave me a lot of courage to proceed to actually solicit him for a romantic relationship because we were like I said,

Total opposites,

Oil and water.

He's 25 years older than me as well.

At his age,

He was not looking for a girlfriend.

He was ready to just do the bachelor thing.

I love that.

The other thing I'm hearing is,

This has been a theme in my life,

So I'm hearing it loud and clear again,

Is that the more we let go and just let our lives unfold for us,

And they will unfold,

The more we let go and trust that this process really is not ours.

It's just happening through us.

The more our life just beautifully will take shape for us.

We've got to do the letting go and the trusting.

That's what's so scary is that we want to grip on for dear life.

No,

No,

No,

No.

Let me control her.

Let me do this.

I keep hearing that you just kept letting go and letting it happen.

It's really beautiful to hear that.

Let's talk about that a little more,

About this letting go and surrender.

In my first marriage,

My husband was an alcoholic and still is.

I had been a part of Al-Anon for a long time.

That had been really instrumental in awakening me to different perspectives.

I'll never forget being in a meeting with a woman that when we would talk about higher power,

She would say,

Higher power she.

She would refer to her higher power she.

That would just make me crazy because my fundamentalist Christian dogma was screaming,

No,

No,

No.

God is a man.

That was a really cool part of my awakening 12th step,

But I never could quite grasp this letting go concept that they would talk about so much.

I was like,

Okay,

Yeah,

I hear you going,

Let God.

Everybody had it tattooed on their arm or their hand or whatever.

I was like,

But how do you do it?

Exactly.

How do you do it?

It's terrifying.

Let me share how you do it.

I will share what I learned.

A few years into my relationship with Chuck,

2020 came.

COVID was on the scene.

It was just hitting the news.

I got sick right away.

Our stepson was home from college with COVID,

Came down with COVID.

I had a lot of serious side effects,

Some things going on with my heart and autoimmune disease and different things.

I ended up being sick for a really long time.

It was a total of two years.

Talk about letting go.

I had to let go.

I was a new wife.

I couldn't make the dinner at night.

On a good day,

I might be able to do a load of laundry.

I had to let go of my wifely duties.

I had to let go of,

I couldn't get out and do things with my kids.

I had a grandchild on the way.

I couldn't be there for the birth.

I wasn't able to get in the car and drive.

I was so sick.

I was letting go,

Letting go,

Letting go.

By this time,

I knew from my experiences and my relationship,

My mentoring from Chuck that surrender is the way.

Lean into it.

I would sit in the chair in my recliner not having the strength to fulfill any roles anymore.

I had to stop working.

I didn't have that.

I couldn't sing.

The passion,

The love of my life,

I didn't have the energy to sing.

All the roles ended.

Wife,

Mother,

Musician,

Teacher,

Couldn't fulfill them.

Sat in the chair and had no promise about whether or not I would ever get well again,

But way too young to feel like this.

The letting go,

How do you do it?

Letting go of both sides.

I encountered this beautiful teaching,

Old teaching and this is how you play this little game.

We call it the getting free game.

It's based in the Sedona Method.

I would sit in the chair as I meditated and I would say,

Can I let go of wanting and needing to be healthy?

Can I let go of wanting and needing to be unhealthy?

For any of you out there that are struggling about letting go,

Whatever your issue might be,

Maybe you really need more money.

Can I let go of wanting and needing more money?

Can I let go of wanting and needing to not have more money?

You see,

A lot of times we want more money,

We need it,

But there's aspects of us that there's belief systems that people that are rich are cold or uncaring or using people or people that are rich or focusing on the evil in some way or dispassionate.

We can have,

We can want to have more money,

But there are aspects of us that don't want to have more money.

For instance,

Maybe we want or need it,

But we're afraid that if we have it,

We're going to be too busy.

We won't have time for ourselves.

We'll be owned by our job or our business and so on.

Here's how you play this little game that will help you to surrender.

You ask yourself a question on both sides,

The polar opposites,

And you keep working with them until you can accept either scenario.

For instance,

When I was so sick,

I would say,

Can I let go of wanting and needing to be healthy?

There was a part of me that couldn't let go of that.

I couldn't accept that I might be this way for the rest of my life.

There was a part of me that would have rather been dead than to be disabled in this way for the rest of my life.

I couldn't let go of wanting and needing to be healthy.

As I kept working with that,

Eventually,

I was willing to accept maybe this is my fate.

Maybe this is the will of some divinity,

And I will accept it.

I will surrender to it.

If it's my fate to be sick,

I will surrender.

I will accept it.

Then on the other hand,

Can I let go of wanting and needing to be unhealthy?

Well,

My mind said,

Well,

That's ridiculous.

This method is stupid.

Why would I not want to be healthy?

When I really looked into it deeply,

There were reasons that I didn't want to be healthy.

One was when I was a little girl,

I always got a lot of love and affection and care from my mom when I was sick.

I had been conditioned in a way like that,

That being sick would attract the love and compassion that I wanted from the people in my life.

There were other reasons why I wanted to be sick.

If I was sick,

Everybody was nicer to me.

People weren't niggling or arguing or making demands or those kind of things.

When I was sick,

Also,

I was off the hook from all my responsibilities.

You see,

I had been that overly responsible,

Straight A,

Good girl,

My whole life,

Worked harder and harder and harder all the time to earn love and then make sure that I kept earning it so it wouldn't be taken away.

There was a part of me that wanted to just give up on that whole game.

I didn't want to have the perfect house and be the Martha Stewart anymore and also bring home the bacon and be hot in the bedroom.

I was sick of that whole formula.

Do all of these things and then you're enough.

There was aspects of me that were like,

Screw this.

Being sick gave me an excuse to withdraw from all of that and to be released from all these expectations that other people had of me.

As I sat and worked with these two questions,

Can I let go of wanting to be healthy?

Can I let go of wanting to be unhealthy?

I kept owning the truth about myself.

I literally started getting free.

After two years of meditating and working in this way and looking at life and reading Enlightened Masters and teachers,

I had a profound visit from some angels.

It was totally unexpected.

It wasn't something I had on my bucket list.

It wasn't something I wanted to do.

It was profound.

It was visual.

It was physical.

I was immediately physically healed and my life was changed from then on.

That's a big bomb you just dropped.

That's incredible.

Such a detachment from both outcomes.

This is what we're here to learn.

Wow.

How difficult.

When you were saying that about your mom,

I'm like,

Oh yeah,

When I was a little girl,

I got a lot of attention.

I know when I'm sick now,

My husband gives me a lot of attention.

I could imagine that there would be a part that would say no,

No,

No,

I want to be this way.

You had this visitation.

What happened?

Give us some good details about what happened when the angels came to visit.

A little bit of backstory.

Chuck had always enjoyed listening to channelers.

Not all of them,

But some.

He had some favorites.

Kryon,

Bashar.

When we first started dating,

This was another thing that I just thought was absolutely crazy and a scary recipe for getting possessed or something.

Definitely going straight to hell.

Witchcraft.

What happened is through time in our relationship,

As I would watch some of these channelers,

I felt genuinely uplifted and helped by the practical messages that they had.

I felt like it really gave me a larger perspective on my life,

On the purpose of life,

On how to live.

A lot of it really resonated with me.

It helped put some pieces of the puzzle together for me about my own spirituality and experience with Jesus and so on.

Chuck and I would enjoy from time to time watching some of these channelers.

About this time,

Two years into this disease,

Not being able to do anything,

The surrendering,

Surrendering more and more and more and more.

Reading anything by an enlightened being that I could get my hands on.

Chuck and I were sitting on the couch one night watching a channeler that we enjoyed.

He said,

You know,

You could do that.

I said,

Okay.

I don't know.

I was finally surrendering,

I guess.

There was no more resistance there.

That was it.

That was really the end of the discussion.

I went to bed that night and I had this incredible visitation.

The story was that my daughter,

My oldest,

Was having a new baby,

Her third,

And I was not going to be able to be there because I was so sick.

I was heartbroken over that.

What happened to me in the middle of the night that night is I experienced the sensation of his little body,

My little grandson,

As if it were in my body.

I know it sounds weird,

But I could feel my physical uterus contracting like it does when you're getting ready to give labor.

I could feel his little head pushing down really hard on my pelvic floor,

Just like you feel right before you give birth.

I could sense his little heart and his spirit.

I was kind of communing with this little baby.

It was as if his little angel self that was getting ready to be born four hours away from me,

It was as if he was talking to me and telling me why God sent him to the earth and what he was going to be doing and why his birth was important.

His name,

By the way,

Was Ember,

Which was so appropriate because at that time,

It was in the darkest time of COVID.

That's what we needed.

We needed these little embers of life and beauty.

I woke up the next morning.

It was such a profound experience.

It was definitely some kind of strange metaphysical thing that had never happened to me before.

I'm aware of how weird it sounds just to tell it.

When it happens to you,

What do you do?

You can't disregard it anymore.

It's easy to poo-poo and put down different things that you see that come across your feet or stories you hear.

Once it happens to you,

Everything changes because nobody can take away from you what you have experienced.

The next morning,

I got up and Chuck had already left for work.

I got out my laptop and I typed up this message that I had received as well as I remembered it.

As I was doing that,

I could feel these presences coming again,

These angels speaking to me,

Telling me their name,

Telling me more information about why they were speaking to me at this time.

I was just typing away.

When Chuck came home that night,

I said,

Let me tell you what happened and read this message to you.

I did.

He said,

You're channeling.

I'm like,

Okay.

This must be it.

What do we do?

We decided to sit down and meditate,

Which we did really regularly anyway.

Within a few seconds,

This huge beautiful voice came barreling through my voice and I could feel all this vibration.

Actually,

This is important to say.

The first thing that happened as they were coming through is they smiled my face.

My face just broke into this huge smile and I couldn't stop smiling.

I literally did not have the ability to not smile.

They were controlling my face with this big smile.

Then they started just talking.

As they were talking,

I felt like a drill bit was going right in this area here.

Very physical,

Visceral,

Tangible energies.

Were you scared at all?

Well,

I should have been.

I should have been freaked out,

But the thing was it was so joyful and so loving.

The energy was very clearly not anything nefarious.

It was so loving.

The message was so loving.

That was the first night of your big.

.

.

Clearly,

The experience you had with your grandson was also a channeling,

But this was the first night when the angels came through you.

Speaking through my voice.

Speaking through you.

It's more of a trans channel then where you're using your body and the energy is coming through and they're using you as their voice.

Yes.

Within a couple of hours afterwards,

I noticed,

Oh,

Wait a minute.

I'm healed.

Really?

The energy that they brought through is what healed me physically and I was fine from that day forward.

Wow.

Just in a matter of hours.

After two years of sitting then and not being able to do anything in just a matter of a couple hours,

You were healed.

Yes.

It's so incredible.

If you think about the angelic realm or just any realm higher than being a human,

It's high,

High energy beings,

Which I keep saying.

We are energy beings.

We are spiritual beings first in human form.

When we remember that and we're able to tap into exactly what you're talking about,

Healing absolutely can and does occur.

Absolutely.

Healing is inevitable when we raise our vibration to a certain extent because it is our body's natural way to heal itself when it's given the proper environment.

The reason that we have so much sickness and disease is because of the lower,

Denser energies that we repress and carry around.

Literally what happened to me,

If I had been in a different mental,

Emotional state,

I could have had COVID,

Sneezed a couple of times,

It would have been over.

But the truth was more like at that point that I got COVID,

I had so much repressed pain and hurt,

Sadness,

Grief.

Actually,

The way my body responded to the COVID is it developed a sack of water around my heart in what's called the heart protector.

The pericardial sack developed water around it and this is what caused all the lengthy issues.

That even in itself is symbolic.

It's like all my life I was trying to protect the heart,

Shield the heart,

All the self-protection,

The repression of grief and emotion and that's what made my heart weak.

Every disease has a spiritual and emotional root.

I've learned this from my husband,

Chuck,

Who was an acupuncturist for over 40 years and he is an exceptional,

Very enlightened healer.

All of these things have emotional and physical roots in our physicality and when we learn how to work properly with ourself through contemplation,

Through meditation,

Through self-inquiry,

Through finding the subconscious root,

We can train our subconscious mind how to clear what is holding us up.

Then we can heal ourselves.

Our body knows the way,

It just needs us to remove the other commands.

It's kind of like,

You know,

When I was talking about the two questions,

It's my body,

My inner being was singing two songs.

Part of me was saying,

I want to be well,

I want to be well and the other part was saying,

I'm sick of all this,

Taking care of everybody,

I don't want to be well,

I want to withdraw from life,

I don't want to do it anymore.

My inner being,

My physiology was singing two songs and I had to rectify that.

Until I could rectify that,

I couldn't get well because there were two commands going forth.

One was be well and one was be sick.

What I discovered as I continued learning and growing and helping folks is science is telling us this and the greats like Bruce Lipton and Dispenza and the ones that are doing the scientific work have helped us understand this,

That 95% of our thoughts,

Feelings,

Actions are being chosen from our subconscious,

Not from our conscious mind.

So 5% of us,

Of our thoughts and feelings and actions in this moment today,

We will choose consciously,

But the other 95% of what we do is already kind of set in stone,

It's stored in our memory banks.

So it's kind of like,

For all of us,

My issue was a physical issue at that time,

But maybe yours is different,

Maybe it's a heartbreak or a child that's addicted or whatever struggles it is that you're going through that you want something to be different.

It's like going into a restaurant and you sit down and you look at the menu and you order something you really want,

Sounds delicious,

And the waiter takes the recipe back to the chef and says,

I'd really like to,

You know,

They're ordering this pizza and this artisan pizza and the chef puts sardines and chicken and ketchup and hot sauce and sugar and all this junk on it and brings you out this really nasty,

Nasty pizza and you look at it and you think,

No,

Wait,

Wait,

Wait,

That's not what I wanted.

So you give the instruction to the waiter again,

This is what I want,

This artisan pizza here that's delicious,

Not this.

This is gross.

And so the waiter can go back to the chef again and again and again.

The chef is using the recipe of the subconscious mind and he's just using the same recipe and you're always going to get the same crappy stuff.

So until we learn how to give our subconscious mind a brand new recipe to tear out the recipe,

Take it away from the chef,

Tear it out permanently,

Erase it from our neural network and replace it with the recipe that we want,

Then we finally get what we want.

But a lot of us are,

We try different things like even Michelle's beautiful teachings and other people's and we try it and it doesn't seem to work and it's not that it's not wonderful and effective and truthful and of high agency.

The problem is that our subconscious mind,

We haven't reached our subconscious mind yet.

Retrain it with the truth.

So true.

What do you say to somebody that might come back to you and say,

But this runs in the family.

Heart disease,

This disease,

Autoimmune,

Breast cancer,

Whatever it might be,

It's in my genes because my mom it's intergenerational,

It's going to be passed down.

What would you say to them?

Well,

They've done a lot of studies with twins,

For instance.

So twins that were adopted or twins where one was raised in one family and one in the other.

And so in these adopted twins,

If one parent had a history,

A familial genetic history of a certain disease,

Then that twin would inherit or contract that disease.

Whereas the twin that was raised by the parents who did not have those genetic illnesses did not develop those diseases.

So a lot of this is still belief.

I was just working with a mom and her two daughters the other day,

Beautiful mom and two daughters.

Their mom has lung cancer.

Their daughters are very concerned.

They were there for kind of an emergency session with Judah and I.

And the mom's mother also died of cancer.

So can we heal that with the coaching and with angels?

Absolutely.

Because there's a root there.

That beautiful mom was imprinted by the disease and decline of her mother and watching her subsequent early death.

And she was imprinted with a subconscious belief that she might also die in the same way.

So now as a result of that subconscious belief,

She's developed cancer.

So Judah talked to her in the session about that it's time for her to decide the legacy that she wants to lead to her daughters.

And the legacy when I say that,

I'm talking about a spiritual legacy of what do you want to leave your daughters when you are on the other side?

And the legacy is I can heal.

This is what we decided.

I can heal myself.

I do not have to die of cancer just because my mother died of cancer.

And I do not.

One of the things that we did together is we pronounced to the universe,

I do not have to have cancer to learn my lessons.

Because I asked her,

I said,

Sweetie,

Why do you feel that you have cancer?

She said,

Well,

I believe that it's that I need to learn something from it.

I want to learn something from it.

And I said,

Okay,

But can't,

Can we,

Can you learn what you need to learn about your life without cancer?

Let's do it that way instead.

So we had to break that.

So she subconsciously come into alignment with the cancer.

Okay,

The cancer's my friend.

It's here to teach me something.

And also in another way she came into alignment because she saw her mother die of it.

So she came into a belief that if it's,

You know,

Happened to her,

It can happen to me.

Right.

So we had to break those agreements so she can be free to heal herself.

This is such good stuff.

What would you say to somebody right now that's listening that doesn't have you,

That they can't have a session with you today?

Where do they begin?

They're sitting here thinking,

Well,

I've got depression or I've got X,

I've got this disease or whatever it might be.

What can they do starting today to start doing their own personal healing?

It's beautiful.

Well,

What I've learned over the years is that every fruit has a root.

Yeah.

So imagine your life.

Imagine that,

Let's say you have cancer or maybe your husband is cheating and you're on the verge of divorce.

So every tree that has fruit has a root.

So if there's the fruit there of cancer,

There is a spiritual and emotional root.

If there's the fruit there of a husband cheating,

Then there's a spiritual or emotional root to that.

So let me just take the example of a husband cheating for a moment.

So let's talk about how these roots and then the fruit.

So let's say a young,

Let's say you're a woman now,

But maybe when you were a young girl,

You saw your father cheat on your mom.

Maybe you didn't even know you heard the whispered conversations or the fights and you maybe didn't even or weren't aware of the details,

But you just saw your mother's heartbreak and you knew something was wrong,

Right?

So in those judgments and subconscious roots are formed from pain.

So in that pain of watching your mother's heartbreak,

Yeah,

There's hurt there.

And when we're hurt,

We judge because the judgments tend to form a protection for us.

So as a little girl,

You might have judged men are mean,

Men hurt.

They will break your heart.

Men are cheaters.

To be married is to be sad or to be married is to be hurt or betrayed.

So whatever these different beliefs that you might have onboarded as a little girl,

Maybe even ones like being a woman is painful could be many different beliefs.

So these little beliefs are like seeds that go in the subconscious.

Going back to the other metaphor,

They're the recipes.

They're the recipes that get stored in the recipe book and you're in the subconscious kitchen.

And so they're seeds.

And these little seeds go in these tender young hearts and begin to grow and grow and grow and grow and grow.

And it can be 10,

20,

30 years,

Decades.

And then we get into those middle life years and then the fruit starts to appear.

And it's bad fruit.

It's rotten fruit.

And it's the stuff we don't want in life.

And we don't understand how we're creating it or why it's happening to us.

So an example of this,

Let's say this same young woman grows up.

She meets a man,

Let's say,

That is completely trustworthy.

He adores her.

He worships the ground she walks on.

She's the only thing he thinks about.

He loves her so much.

There's not a cheating bone in his body.

He never has a wandering eye.

He's just a good,

Loyal guy,

Right?

What happens though when they get joined together in marriage,

Once they get married,

Then he begins to be defiled by those judgments,

Those seeds,

Those subconscious roots.

And all of a sudden,

She has these unconscious beliefs.

Men are cheaters.

Men hurt.

They break women's heart.

They can't be trusted.

And they're buried in her subconscious mind.

She's not consciously aware of them,

But they're in there.

And so she begins to defile him with that.

And years go by,

Years go by,

And then the fruit begins to appear.

And all of a sudden he's tempted to cheat,

Whereas he would have never done that before.

But because she has this subconscious belief under the surface,

It's eliciting this behavior from him.

It's a setup.

It's a defilement,

So to speak.

So the problem with self-help and psychology is that we can be metaphorically climbing the tree,

Snipping off the bad fruit,

Pulling off the bad fruit,

Composting it,

Snipping off the branches,

Pruning,

Doing all these things that don't work.

Because if the root is below the surface in the subconscious,

That fruit is going to continue to reappear over and over and over,

No matter what we say to it,

Do to it,

Talk about it,

Pluck it off,

Try to graft in something different,

Until we pull the tree up by the root and get to it in the subconscious.

We can't get free of it.

So how would someone do that?

What are some ways to get to tap into the subconscious mind?

Start looking at our roots.

I do this kind of work constantly now.

It's a way of life for me,

And I teach it.

I want to give some things free to your folks here.

Know that your higher self is resident in your subconscious mind as your superconscious.

This is what Carl Jung called Carl Jung spoke of the conscious,

The subconscious,

And the superconscious.

Your superconscious dwells in your subconscious mind,

And it is the divine aspect of you that is innocent,

That's flawless,

Blameless,

That's eternal,

That will continue to exist once you leave the body.

It's your higher self or your soul.

This superconscious,

You can train it to heal the subconscious.

Here's an example.

Let's say your husband comes in and he says something to you that just rubs you the wrong way.

It's just him being a guy,

But for some reason it just triggers you and you're just really reactive inside.

What you would do in that moment is say,

Superconscious,

Please find the root,

The subconscious root of this that I'm feeling right now.

Please clear that root completely in all realms of time and space.

Because likely it has nothing to do with what he said,

It's just that what he said was similar to the way your dad used to talk to you when he was angry or whatever.

You look back inside yourself instead of blaming,

Accusing,

Defending,

Arguing,

Justifying.

You avoid that ego response of justify,

Argue,

Defend,

Explain,

Blame,

Point fingers.

Instead,

You remember what I said here,

That if you've got the fruit,

You've got the root.

Not your husband.

Yeah,

He's got his roots.

Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah.

But we can't fix that.

We can't control that.

We can only look at what's in us.

Remember what I said.

If you have the presence of mind,

Look in your inner being,

Say,

Superconscious,

Do you see the root of this?

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Good.

Thank you.

Can you heal it?

Yeah,

Most of the time you'll hear in your inner being,

Yes.

And then just say,

Thank you,

Please heal that.

Or ask your angels to help you.

I ask Judah all the time,

Judah,

Please tag and treat this.

The reason I say that is because in our subconscious mind are billions of impressions.

What is stored in there is every thought,

Feeling,

Smell,

Taste,

Everything that's ever happened to us is stored in our subconscious mind.

This is connected to what I call our personal field in the quantum field,

Which resides in the fifth dimension.

It's like our personal Akashic records.

In this personal field is everything that's ever happened to us in every realm,

In every lifetime,

If you believe in that.

If you don't,

That's fine.

It doesn't preclude you from using this strategy.

The reason I say tag and treat is because it's kind of like if you had a herd of cattle,

They all look kind of the same.

If you wanted to keep track of one before it goes missing in the crowd,

You would put a tag on its ear.

We have so many memories in there that need healing.

They need clearing.

It pops up in the moment because it's triggered by something going on in your current experience.

You want to tag it so it gets fully treated.

It's kind of like if I said to you,

Michelle,

I'm going to ask you a question.

Are you ready?

Then I don't ask anything,

So nothing pops up into your mind.

If I say to you,

Michelle,

What was your favorite Christmas present ever when you were a kid?

Then it would pop up.

It pops right up.

Without even thinking about it,

It just goes whoop.

There it is.

What happens is day to day when we're in the middle of the thing we don't want to be happening,

The thing that we're doing again to ourselves or that same business meeting that goes bad all the time,

Whatever it is,

When it's happening in the moment,

That's the fruit on the tree.

The bad fruit.

There it is again.

Gross.

Don't want this fruit.

It's rotten.

The job is to go into the self,

Deep into the self and find the root.

Say super conscious,

Please find the root of what I'm feeling right now and do a massive change history.

Do we need to consciously know what it is or are we just asking super consciousness to find it for us,

Tag and treat it?

You just can let them do it.

We don't have to do a lot of digging around and excavating.

It's so beautiful.

We don't have to do that at all.

That's what's so crazy is that healing is really this easy right now.

Meaning right now in this day and age.

I don't think we can wrap our brains around it.

We can't.

But we need to understand that in this day and age we can really heal this fast.

We can flip beliefs.

We can find the unconscious programming that fast.

So fast.

It can be instantaneous.

There are certain ways that Chuck might look at me a certain way that might trigger me.

Maybe my dad used to give me a dirty look or a teacher.

All of these things are neural networks.

It's like the root system of the tree.

Our brain naturally creates associations.

Oh,

This feels like that experience and this feels like that experience.

So our brain that's its job to make all these neural associations and connections.

So when I'm triggered in the moment by that look when I go inside and say that made me feel less than.

Okay.

Super conscious.

Judah is the name of my angels.

Judah can you please find all of that not measuring up.

All the memories of not measuring up.

All the memories of not being good enough.

Please tag and treat all of them and remove all the negative emotion from them and replace them with positive self-empowering beliefs.

And it works.

It works.

And it's that fast.

You know it because you feel better.

And then the next time he gives me the dirty look I think whatever.

And that's how you know that it works.

And wisdom is to do what works.

Right.

Not to do just to stop doing the stuff that doesn't work.

Yeah.

Oh,

That's so good.

My gosh.

Thank you for sharing that.

I really do believe that.

I see that with the people that I work with now.

I don't work with individuals but I do work with small groups.

And I'm seeing people.

Man,

They're changing and shifting so much faster than ever.

And I've been doing this 20,

25 years.

It's a very different energy on the planet.

And I think it's just primed for us to start releasing all this old stuff.

All the limiting beliefs.

We just don't need them anymore.

They're ready to go.

Yeah.

And we have an audio program that's really expensive that people can sign up for to do this to be guided.

Yeah.

Through doing this tagging and treating.

But once you get really good at it you can do it everywhere you go.

We are constantly bumping into different fields and interacting with different energies.

You might have a fabulous day today and decide to go to the grocery store to pick up dinner.

And as you walk out of the grocery store you suddenly feel really,

Really tired.

And so we might say,

Oh,

It's been a long day.

I'm kind of tired.

Maybe not.

Maybe it's just that we were in the grocery store with all these energies of all these people exhausted after work.

So we can learn to say,

Judah,

Angels,

Super conscious,

Holy Spirit,

Jesus,

Please treat the field of all the people in the grocery store.

Please treat this tiredness.

Do a massive change history and everything after that.

And we can literally give people love that way by clearing the energies from their fields that are intruding on their life and that they're suffering from just because they just don't know.

They don't know.

Talk about the power of intention.

The power of our spoken word.

Or even if we're just saying it in our mind.

It's so.

.

.

We are so powerful.

We don't even know.

We're not.

Oh my gosh.

I have so many more questions.

Okay,

Please will you come back for part two?

Of course.

I feel like we're just opening the door to all this.

And I wanted to speak with Judah,

But I know we're out of time now.

So if you would please come back.

We can continue on with this discussion of clearing limiting beliefs,

Talking more about Judah.

And by the way,

Can any of us ask for Judah?

Judah,

They're your group of angels that you speak with.

Absolutely.

People call out to Judah all the time for help.

They are from the angelic realm.

They are part of the Christ consciousness.

They love Christ.

So if you are a Christ follower,

You won't have to worry about being out of alignment in any way.

But yes,

You can definitely ask Judah for help.

And Judah gives people miracles everywhere all the time.

I mean,

I get the stories of them all the time.

I actually woke up the night in the middle of the night and I heard a man say to Judah,

Judah,

Should I have this surgery?

And I heard Judah respond and say,

Yes,

Have the surgery.

It's going to be very successful.

This made me laugh because I was hearing people's prayers to Judah and I was hearing their responses.

It was pretty cool.

Love that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you for being here today.

This was very enlightening and thank you for helping this planet awaken just a little bit more.

We really need these teachings.

Thank you.

Thank you,

Michelle.