Life Plans & NDE's With Dr. Lotte Valentin

Get ready for a transformative episode as Michelle sits down with Dr. Lotte Valentin, a physician, medium, and medical intuitive, who shares her incredible journey from being an atheist to a healer with a deep connection to the spirit world.

Dr. Lotte’s story is one of resilience and awakening, beginning with two near-death experiences (NDEs) in the 90s that completely shifted her perspective on life, spirituality, and healing. From experiencing profound out-of-body moments to being guided towards her true calling, Dr. Lotte takes us on a journey of self-discovery, ancestral healing, and the interconnectedness of all things.

Transcript

Welcome to the Michelle Chalfant Show,

The next evolution of the Adult Share Podcast.

I am Michelle Chalfant and my goal is to help you to awaken to your true self.

Together we will break through your barriers so you can find your purpose and live a soul aligned life.

Each week I'll bring you powerful conversations with thought leaders,

Spiritual teachers,

Healers,

And change makers,

Along with actionable insights to help you to transform your life from the inside out.

Welcome to the Michelle Chalfant Show.

Hello,

Hello,

And welcome to the Michelle Chalfant Show.

I am happy to be here with you today.

I had an incredible conversation with Dr.

Lottie Valentin and just thinking about this conversation,

I have to say,

Do you notice in your life how everything that happens leads you somewhere forward that you might think is the wrong direction or why did this happen?

This doesn't make sense in the moment we say that,

Right?

But ultimately when you look back on your life,

You realize things that happened in the past helped you to become the person you are today.

They help you to become more soul aligned,

More authentic if you choose to look at it like that.

So in my conversation with Dr.

Lottie,

It's really interesting.

She was an atheist and had two near death experiences and it completely changed her life.

Both of them changed her life.

She's had such an incredible life because of all of these things that we might think are quote unquote bad or things that happened along the way and you think,

Oh my gosh,

That was horrible.

But ultimately it was actually a blessing in disguise.

So today Dr.

Lottie and I had a lot of these conversations and what she's going to bring back are some things that she learned on the other side.

She bridges science and spirituality.

She talks about ancestral healing and inherited trauma and understanding our ancestral trauma and how it affects us.

So we had a deep conversation for sure and again we talked a lot about transformation which I love.

So let me tell you a little bit about Dr.

Lottie.

She's a naturopathic doctor,

A medical medium,

An ancestral healer,

An international keynote speaker.

She's known for her transformative insights because she bridges science and spirituality to inspire healing and personal growth.

Her award winning book,

Med School After Menopause,

The Journey of My Soul,

Shares her remarkable journey of transformation and healing.

Following two near death experiences in the 1990s,

Dr.

Lottie developed clairvoyance,

Clairaudience and clairsentient abilities.

These profound experiences led her to medical school at the age of 54 and on a mission to help others heal physically,

Emotionally and spiritually.

We talk all about it today.

So here we go with Dr.

Lottie Valentin.

So welcome to the Michelle Chalfant Show,

Dr.

Lottie Valentin,

It's nice to have you.

So nice to be here.

Thank you for having me.

Oh my goodness.

I was just sharing with you,

I'm so excited because there's so many fun things we're going to talk about today and you have had quite a life,

I have to say.

Med school at,

Is it 54 years old?

As I read through my notes here,

I'm like,

How does someone at 54 years old,

Whether you're in perimenopause or menopause with the menopause memory,

Which we don't have,

Go through med school?

Like what?

I was shocked by that.

So I'm going to get to that,

But I would love to start out with,

You had two near death experiences in the nineties that kind of led you down the path that you're on now.

So let's start there.

Yeah.

So it's a kind of an interesting story because I was a complete atheist before.

I love hearing that.

I was actually born and raised in Northern Europe,

In Sweden.

And back then the state and the church were not separated.

So if you were born in Sweden,

You were a Lutheran.

And I was confirmed when I was 14.

And I was just like,

This is all baloney,

That there's no truth to this at all,

Spirit world and Jesus.

And,

You know,

I just didn't have that ability to,

To believe in anything that I was taught as a child.

So here I am,

You know,

15,

20 years later.

So now I'm 34 and I'm giving birth to my third child.

And it's in the middle of the night,

Like,

You know,

Early in the morning,

I'm on the labor table at the hospital,

Contracting three minutes apart and a 7.

4 earthquake hits,

Which they laid it downgraded to,

I think a 7.

3.

But needless to say,

Though,

That's a huge earthquake,

Earthquake,

And it was centered in the desert.

It was called the landers quake.

And so the,

The,

The destruction wasn't that bad,

Right?

Because it was in the desert.

But I gave birth in the Eastern part of Anaheim.

And so here I am giving birth and we got this big earthquake.

This hospital was built on rollers and that whole hospital just swayed back and forth.

And at that moment,

Everybody just leaned over me on the table because I would literally have levitated off the table.

All the instruments on those little metal trays in the hospital were levitating up and down.

And at that point,

I said,

You know,

I thought,

This is it,

I'm going to,

We're all going to die.

The windows are going to come in or the ceiling tiles are going to bury us in rubble.

We lost all the power in the hospital and you could hear the generators kicking.

Well,

When you are giving birth and you are in a situation where you're basically running from the lion in the jungle,

Your labor will stop and you will get yourself to safety.

And then the labor will start again and then you'll give birth,

Right?

It's just the human body.

So my labor actually stopped for a moment.

And after about 30 minutes,

It started again.

I gave birth to my daughter.

And then we had a 7.

2 earthquake as the aftereffect or the aftershock,

I can't even imagine I'm listening like that.

And I remember the man drawing my blood,

His eyes were huge because he had been further away from the first earthquake.

So to him,

It was a stronger quake than the first one.

But anyway,

They got,

They draw my blood and I finally got to hold my daughter.

And as soon as they gave her to me,

I just started screaming to my husband,

Like,

Take the baby,

Take the baby.

I was in so much pain and I just remember arching backwards.

And that was the first time I hemorrhaged.

So a mountain of blood clots came out and they put me on Pitocin drop and the entire hospital is now running on a generator.

Okay.

So I don't think I was a candidate for having like a DNC or cleaning out the uterus after this birth.

They were like making sure people were on life support,

Were still alive.

So then they kept me in the hospital an extra day and they said,

All right,

Well,

It seems like the bleeding have stopped.

So we're going to send you on your way.

And then I started having a lot of pain.

Now,

This was my third natural birth.

And I couldn't understand why it felt like I had swallowed a bowling ball because there was so much pressure in my pelvis that sort of radiated pain down in my inner thighs.

And I couldn't even stand up and hold the baby.

I kept having to sit down to take the pressure off.

Well,

So then it was,

You know,

July 8th.

So this is about 10 days after I gave birth.

So I get to the park and I said,

You know,

I need to use the restroom.

So I go to the restroom and start hemorrhaging,

Have this huge blood clot come out.

I mean,

We're talking the size of a man's large fist,

You know,

Just enormous.

So I tell my friend and I just jump in a car.

So we go to the ER and they come in,

They do a manual inspection,

They say,

Well,

Everything looks good now.

It's just,

You know,

A trickle of bleeding.

It could have been the second lining that came out.

And after a few hours of this,

They said,

All right,

We're going to send you home because,

You know,

We don't see anything wrong.

There's no ultrasound,

No blood test,

Nothing.

This is 1992.

They send me on my way next evening at home.

The same thing happens and I hemorrhage again and it's like 930 at night.

We call the hospital.

My husband's on the phone and I'm yelling,

I'm not going because I'm not going to do anything like that's just pointless.

So it was decided I should see the doctor the next morning in Huntington Beach in California where we lived at the time.

So the next morning,

Now it's Friday morning,

July 10th,

I go to the doctor.

He does a visual inspection and says,

No,

It doesn't seem like that much blood is coming out.

Sends me on my way.

That afternoon,

Same thing happens again.

I hemorrhage again.

We go back to the ER.

They come in,

They do a manual inspection.

I've been hemorrhaging now,

This is the third day.

Still no blood tests,

Still no ultrasound,

Nothing,

Just a visual inspection.

And they leave me on this table in the ER,

Close the door.

I don't have a belt or ring.

No IV has been placed because I guess they didn't do that in 1992.

And I'm just lying there.

So I start bleeding again,

I start hemorrhaging.

And I'm thinking,

Well,

At least I'm hemorrhaging now,

They're going to figure out what's wrong.

And this is divine intervention because as I'm lying on this table,

Because we're talking seconds of saving my life,

The order that things happened.

As I'm lying on this table,

This nurse comes in and randomly checks on me.

And she can see that I've been hemorrhaging and that the papers are all bloody.

And her jaw just drops and I just see the horror on her face.

So within 30 seconds,

This middle-aged physician comes running in and I'm thinking,

Okay,

Well,

His middle age,

I'm 34,

He's going to know what's wrong.

And this is the doctor that saved my life.

Thank God,

He had probably been around the block.

So they do a manual inspection.

And as they do this manual inspection,

I hemorrhage.

And they could see the amount of blood that I was hemorrhaging.

And I try to sit up and tell the doctor,

I said,

I don't feel too good.

So he just pushes me back down on the table.

But at this point,

Now my eyes are closed.

I can't even keep my eyes open anymore.

And I can hear the room filling with people.

And as the room is filling with staff,

They're tipping my table.

So my head is going towards the floor,

My feet is going up in the air,

Trying to get the little blood I had back to my head and my heart.

And as they're doing this,

There's a nurse on my right,

That's putting a blood pressure cuff on my arm.

The nurse on my left is putting an IV in my arm.

And the nurse on my right is quoting my blood pressure.

And she yells out,

50 over 15,

Hurry.

And so that was my blood pressure.

So now I'm below supporting a heart rate,

Right?

Heartbeat is usually 60 over 20.

And I'm thinking,

What's taking her so long?

Why can't she get that IV?

And now I'm going into shock,

Right?

So the veins are collapsing.

So I just feel like I jumped out of an airplane,

Falling through air.

And as I'm falling through air,

Shortly after that nurse yells,

You know,

50 over 15,

Hurry.

I know that I'm dying.

And this is very different from the earthquake,

Which is why I began with that.

When I thought I was going to die,

I'm lying on that table,

The earthquake is happening.

And I'm thinking,

Oh my gosh,

Like this is it,

We're all going to die.

This was different.

I knew that I was dying at this point.

So as I'm lying on this table,

The atheist that I was at the time did not believe in the spirit world,

Angels,

Nothing,

Right?

I have nothing left to do except,

You know,

Praying to God.

So I said,

If there is a God out there,

You know,

Please let me live.

I have three children under the age of six.

They need a mother.

Well,

As soon as I said that,

I got pulled out of my body.

So now I'm like floating above my body.

And my first thought is,

How can I be outside my body and still be me?

How does this work?

Because my belief system absolutely wasn't there,

Right?

So here I am on the other side of my body,

But there is a knowing that you have access to all time.

There is no time in that state.

And you have access to past,

Present,

And future all at the same time.

And it's just this common piece of unconditional,

You know,

Love and support.

And then they saved my life and I got pulled back in.

And this is really interesting because I got pulled back into my body.

So the next morning when I'm in the hospital lying there,

All hooked up to blood pressure and IVs and all these different things,

I hear my sister-in-law in the left corner of my ceiling.

And she just passed away like two weeks earlier.

She had lung cancer.

And I can hear her and she says,

Everything is going to be okay.

I'm thinking,

I can't tell anybody about this.

They're going to think I'm crazy.

They're going to lock me up in the psych ward,

You know,

Because my belief system was not there that this was even possible.

Well,

Then what happened,

You know,

I got sent home.

And then I had all this,

We can talk about this,

All the electrical interference,

My watches stopped,

And I had bone marrow suppression.

So I was really sick.

It took me literally six years to function normally.

So I ended up in what's called a bone marrow suppression.

And I wasn't given blood because at that moment,

The first thing the doctor said in the ER was,

I have to give you blood.

And I look at him and he goes,

Don't move.

I tried to move my head so I could see him.

And he was so afraid I was going to go back into shock.

And I said,

If you have to give me blood,

Give me blood.

But if you don't have to,

I don't want to wake up six years from now and find out I have AIDS because this was during the AIDS epidemic.

Yeah,

We had no way right of checking the blood.

And a lot of people that got blood transfusions back then ended up with AIDS.

Yeah.

So they kept me in the hospital and kept checking my blood.

And he said,

You know,

Other than the fact that you're hemorrhaged,

You're I was like the picture of health.

I had just studied nutrition.

I had a degree in nutrition back then,

Which was we didn't we couldn't even study at college yet.

You know,

With that,

With that,

He said,

We're just going to monitor you.

And so they didn't give me blood.

And he said,

It's going to take a couple of months to build that back up.

So it took me six months before I could even like walk from the bedroom to the living room without feeling like I was going to pass out.

Two years,

I had a second near death experience.

And this was just part of my life.

And people who have read my astrological charts say you actually it looks like you actually had more near death experiences than the two.

Wow.

They can see it in the charts.

You just don't remember those.

Right.

But this is the second near death experience.

And it was so different from the first because I feel like they saved me too quickly or maybe it had to be done in stages or something.

Right.

But it's the second experience that really activated my life path and has led me to the work I'm doing today.

So I had I was constantly feeling like I was going to pass out.

I didn't have any blood in my body.

I if I put my my knee on the floor to help my children tie their shoes,

I would get a bruise on my knee by any kind of pressure.

So we know that the platelet count was very low.

And if I had fallen and hit my head,

For example,

I would probably have bled to death.

Right.

Because there were no platelets.

So here I am in the middle of the night.

And this is just my existence at this point.

And I feel like,

You know,

I wake up in the middle of the night.

My head is pounding.

I take my head off the pillow.

This is the existence I lived for many years.

And I just get pulled out of my body in the middle of the night.

And it's the same feeling.

You know,

One second you're in your body and the next next second you're outside.

But this was so different.

So now instead of just staying in the room,

I feel like I'm tumbling through space,

Like think Star Wars.

Right.

Just tumbling through space.

And I end up in this place that I call the mid station because there was an awareness that you could go higher,

But you could also be lower.

So it's like you go into a skyscraper that has 100 floors.

You push the button on the 50th floor.

You get off at the 50th floor.

You know,

There are floors above you.

You don't know what's on those floors.

You know what's on this floor because you're on this floor and you know there's floors below you.

So that was the feeling that I'm on this floor,

But you could be on some other level.

And I hear the most beautiful music,

Music that you can't even hear here on the earth plane.

And I'm wondering where this music is coming from.

And I love how we all see different things.

So all of a sudden,

So I look to my right and I see this tiny little log cabin.

Literally,

It looks like a Swedish sauna,

Right?

A little tiny log cabin.

And I'm thinking the music must be coming from there.

So I open the door,

Look inside.

It's empty.

So then I look to my left and there is another log cabin and it's literally a mirror image of the one on the right.

So I open the door,

Look inside,

But it's empty.

But then all of a sudden it's like imagine standing like on a football field and you've got this big spotlight on you.

But the fog is rolling in.

So there is this like this white light,

But the white light is everywhere.

So it's got that feeling of being in a dense fog with a spotlight shining through it.

It's my best description of trying to to explain what that is like.

But it was coming in from behind me.

So then I'm like,

Well,

You know,

I'm turning around.

I don't you don't have a body or like body less,

But I'm turning around.

And now I am standing in the light,

But the light is everywhere.

You're you're completely submerged in the light.

But this light,

When you are in this bright,

It was bright white light.

There isn't there was a knowing that I was with source.

And I don't care what you call it.

You can call it God or source.

I like to call it source to not be stuck in one religion because I don't feel like I belong in any particular religion.

But you had there was this knowing that I was with source.

But there is unconditional love from the source.

And we are part of the source.

We carry this light within us.

And when we you know,

We return to this light when we leave this earth plane.

But in this light,

There was an outline of angels.

But I'm completely aware of the fact that I'm seeing angels,

But I don't really believe in angels.

I mean,

It's been two years now.

But,

You know,

I'm still I'm still struggling with my belief system.

So I'm seeing what I don't believe in.

Right.

If I had seen things that I believed in,

I would say that's because I believed in it.

Right.

My logic mind would have taken over my very skeptic,

Illogical mind.

And I become aware to spirit guides and the spirit guide on the my right is communicating with the one kind of directly in front of me.

And he says,

What is she doing here?

She can't be here.

She has to go back as if,

You know,

The clock is ticking.

Like we only have a few seconds.

You know,

I don't know what that is.

It's like you can only be outside your body for a certain time or maybe there are different times for different people,

Because some people are outside their body for a long time.

Right.

So my reaction is no,

No,

No.

Wait a second.

How can I be outside my body and still be me?

How does this work?

I spent two years trying to figure this out.

Right.

And the guide on my left says,

Well,

If I told you,

You wouldn't remember,

But you will remember this.

And this is what activated my life path,

Too.

So then it's like I'm standing on the moon looking down on the earth,

But around the earth is what I call the silvery glittery fishnet.

So the spirit guide says everything on earth is connected to each other,

But everything on earth is connected up to this grid.

And with that knowledge,

I got sent back.

But that is literally the work I'm doing today is,

You know,

Working as a physician,

Helping people heal.

I'm here as a healer.

I understand the interconnectedness of our existence here on earth and communicating with the spirit world at the same time.

So all these is these near death experiences that really pushed me to go to medical school at age of fifty four and then to the work that I'm doing today.

Wow.

What a story.

I love I love that you're an atheist and you didn't believe it.

You didn't believe in angels or any afterlife.

But all of a sudden it's like,

Wait,

You know,

Thank you so much for that story.

Or both.

I mean,

Everything you just said,

It seems to me and all the people that I've listened to,

Probably hundreds of people that have had near death experiences.

It's it seems to be the same where people cross into the light and it's pure,

Unconditional love.

And they talk about a source of energy.

And again,

You call it whatever you want to call it.

God or source.

But there's a source that is beaming itself like to.

Everywhere in the whole universe.

And we are connected to that.

I often have said if God or sources,

The ocean were individual waves in that ocean.

Right.

So it's not that we're we're we're not that we're not source.

It is us.

It's part of our experience here.

So and you've just,

Again,

Validated that.

So thank you for that.

It's beautiful.

So as you so you come back from this experience and did you then like have a healing,

Like what happened with your physical health after you returned?

Yeah,

So it took a while to get well,

It literally took 10 years to get well.

And at 12 years,

I was really well.

And this is really interesting.

I've been told like I had a reading with an astrologer and the astrologer said,

Yeah,

And then you got well when you were 44.

And I'm like,

You can see that in my chart.

Isn't that crazy?

I know it's fascinating.

It's really fascinating because it makes you really think,

You know,

We there's I think there's certain experiences that we just incarnate to have in this life.

You know what I'm going to eat for dinner is probably my free will.

What clothes I wear today or what I'm going to do.

But,

You know,

The big things that we are here to experience,

I think that's something that's part of part of the plan.

Yeah.

Right.

Part of the plan.

We incarnated to have this.

So during this whole healing period of 10 to 12 years,

I constantly,

You know,

I heard a spirit world more and more.

I would know things before they happen.

I would know that a relative was sick.

I would know that we were going to be in a car accident.

And I woke up one morning and I saw two of my kids in the car,

My daughter in the backseat,

My middle child boy in the front seat.

And we had a van at the time and I saw this big scratch on the van door.

So and and then I see myself.

So it's three slides,

The first image of the two kids,

Then the scratch on the car,

Then the third image.

I see myself leaving a note on the windshield of a black sedan car.

I can't see where,

You know,

Where it's taking place.

I just see the car in the windshield.

Right.

And I tell these two kids and we lived in East Bay,

San Francisco at the time.

And these two kids were students at the San Francisco Ballet School.

So they trained six days a week.

So and they weren't old enough to ride the subway yet.

So guess what?

Mama has to drive.

So every day we hauled into the city,

You know,

Crossing the Bay Bridge.

And I told the kids,

I said,

This is what I saw.

And you guys are in the car.

So it's got to be on the commute to the city.

So we figured out there was only one intersection when we would have oncoming traffic.

So if we turn to the left,

Somebody could hit the right side of the car.

And it was right after we would get off the Bay Bridge.

We get off the freeway and we get down to the light and then we jog left on the surface street.

That was the only.

So every day my kids noses up against the window.

Mom,

The coast is clear.

Nobody's coming.

Because they were like,

We don't want to be in an accident.

And then about two weeks went by and we were in Walnut Creek,

Which is a town in the East Bay,

San Francisco.

And we're coming out of the bookstore like garage.

And that was a big truck offloading,

You know,

Boxes.

And there was a tiny parking lot.

We're trying to squeeze on to the street.

The right side of my car scrapes the rear end of that car as I'm trying to squeeze onto the street.

I mean,

At this point,

I knew exactly what had happened.

And the car was black.

So I get out of the car.

I walk around the car.

I see the black scratch on the car,

Just this exact way I had seen in the image.

And I just start laughing.

So I just throw my hands up into the air and I'm just laughing.

And all these people are walking by.

They must have thought,

Like,

It's nuts.

Like,

What's so funny about scratching the car?

Right.

But we were all so relieved and I was so relieved that it was finally over.

So,

Of course,

Here I am leaving that note on the windshield of the black sedan car saying,

Here's my information.

I'm sorry I scraped your car.

You could barely see it on their car.

Like,

It's the tiniest,

Tiniest scrape.

But my car had the line across the entire door.

I was then guided after 12 years of hearing things that were going to happen or seeing things,

Also had a remote viewing.

We can talk about that.

But so after 12 years,

I said,

OK,

My kids are teenagers.

I need to go back to work.

I was a programmer and a systems analyst in my youth after I graduated from Boston University,

Undergraduate,

Transferred from Stockholm University.

And I was a management and computer science major.

And so I was a programmer at IBM in New York.

So that was my work.

So talk about,

You know,

Seeing 20 steps and very methodical and logical.

Yeah.

Very left brain.

So here I am.

But now I know that I need to go back to work,

But it has to be as a healer.

And I always wanted to be a doctor.

My father was a physician.

And whenever I said,

I want to be a doctor like you,

Dad,

He said,

No,

No,

No.

You want to be a nurse like a doctor?

Takes a long time.

You want to have a family?

You know,

I was raised in the 60s.

So,

Yeah,

It was very different back then,

Right?

The way we looked at things like that.

So here I am.

And I'm like,

I have to go back.

It has to be something in healing.

And I'm looking for a degree online thinking,

You know,

Is there something I could learn and then,

You know,

Start working as a healer some way?

I come across this medical school,

Naturopathic medicine,

And then I realize it's a real medical school.

There's five medical schools that focus on naturopathic medicine,

Which is different from traditional medicine.

The first two years are the same.

We take science boards and all that and we take the clinical boards.

But the focus,

The second year,

Three and four are different.

So we actually have the same or more amount of pharmaceutical studies as a regular MD.

But we also learn acupuncture,

Homeopathy,

Botanical medicine,

Nutrition.

So we have a different tool bag than a regular physician.

So we can prescribe pharmaceuticals if that's what the patient prefers.

Or if they don't do well with that,

We can go a different route,

Right?

We can do botanical medicine or acupuncture or homeopathy.

So I realize this is a real medical school.

And I'm like,

This is never going to work.

I'm like 46 now.

This is,

You know,

12 years,

12 years out.

And so as I walk to the kitchen,

The spirit world drops in.

And they say there's three messages.

You have to go to medical school and become a naturopathic physician.

And you are you need a degree for the work you're here to do.

But you're not going to work as a doctor that whole time.

But you need a degree.

Like,

What do they mean by that?

How could you?

Why would I spend all that time going to med school?

And then not work as a physician the whole time.

And then they said,

You have to write two books.

No,

Wait,

Three.

I'm like,

OK,

But what am I supposed to write about?

Oh,

We'll let you know when the time is right.

I love it.

I don't even think of myself as an author.

I was never that kid that was a writer as a child.

Right.

And then you are to bring messages and healing to the people.

I'm like,

What are you talking about?

Message,

What messages?

Well,

Within two weeks,

I was enrolled in the Prevex.

I applied into med school when I was 52,

Was accepted,

But ended up deferring for a year.

And because the time wasn't right with the kids moving out of the house and things like that.

And when I was 54,

Off I went to med school.

But it wasn't until,

You know,

All of that that I started understanding that once I,

You know,

Once I graduated and studied mediumship,

I understood that that is the message,

Right?

I'm to bring messages.

And the message about the writing two books,

No,

Wait,

Three.

I've gotten that same message from four professional mediums around the world.

And it's always the same.

Oh,

They they're telling me you're to write two books.

No,

Wait,

Three is always the same.

So after I got that message four times,

Guess what?

I wrote my first book.

Good for you.

I love it.

Oh,

My gosh.

What a journey.

Whoo.

I love it.

It is kind of like what you said.

We're on a plane.

You know,

We have a plan,

A path.

Our soul comes here and there is a path.

It seems like we can maybe take a left turn over here this way or a right turn.

But there are certain things.

And again,

I've had my astrology chart done again numerous times as well.

It's fascinating to me.

It's more math and science than anything.

It's like this is happening around this day.

It's just it's math.

You take a math calculation and there it is on your chart.

I love that.

So you then after your near death experience is plural,

You started hearing,

You became more of a medium.

You're able to,

I mean,

Really then start reading people and as well as become a medical intuitive.

Then you had the medical degree,

Being a naturopathic doctor on top of it.

Talk about and you might have said this,

The three powerful lessons that you learned from the other side.

What were the three lessons you learned?

Well,

Number one,

Life is eternal.

Oh,

Yes.

Life is eternal.

We when the physical body dies,

That's just your car died,

Right?

You get a new car,

You go to the other side,

You come back in a new body or you'll get a new car.

It's the same thing.

So it's just like we're stepping out of the body.

We incarnated.

This is the body suit that we wear while we're here at the soul.

And so we have our soul right in our body,

Which is sort of the I'm going to say the middle link.

So it links the body to the spirit.

Right.

So when you when you pass,

You go into your spirit form.

But while you're in your body,

You know,

You've got your soul,

Which sort of communicates with your body and your spirit.

That's how I look at it.

So it's like that the middle ground,

The middle man.

Yeah,

The middle man.

Yeah.

So a question question for you about the soul.

Do you think the soul is aware of the life plan?

The soul is aware of the life plan.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm going to say it's like that kind of like it's in the subconscious in a way.

Right.

I mean,

We know what we came to do deep,

Deep,

Deep inside.

But,

You know,

Our ego and our person,

You know,

Persona gets in the way of what we came to do.

And we get caught up in we have to pay our bills or this doesn't make sense.

I mean,

It's like originally I was like,

Oh,

No,

I can't go to med school.

Like,

I can't do that.

They're never going to accept me.

I mean,

That was my original thought.

Right.

The spirit world not dropped in on me.

I would never have gone.

Right.

Yeah.

I would.

Right.

So I needed that confirmation.

But my logical brain automatically gets in the way of saying,

No,

That's not logical,

Like you should not do that.

Why would you you know,

Why would you do that so late in life?

And don't you think that the spirit world drops in on everybody?

If we're but most of us are not paying attention,

Like we get hints and clues all the time,

But we just write them off as coincidences or I didn't really hear that.

And we,

You know,

Go go back to thinking instead of feeling.

I did that for years,

For years.

I mean,

It took me forever.

I am such a skeptical and logical person.

Right.

But it had to be this way.

And I know that I mean,

After I went after I graduated from med school,

I was waiting for my license because we graduated in June.

We took the clinical boards in August,

Which is basically three days of nonstop testing.

And then it takes like a month and a half for them to correct the all that because everybody takes the these exams at the same time.

So there couldn't be any cheating and yada.

Yeah.

So it wasn't until the first week of October that they released the results.

If you passed all the different sections,

Because if you don't pass all the sections,

That's it.

No license.

You wait six months and you take the boards again.

Right.

Because,

You know,

Almost a thousand dollars every time you do that and you have no income because you can't work as a doctor.

So you really want to pass the first time if you can.

Right.

So here I am waiting on my license.

And I said,

All right,

I'm going to go study craniosacral therapy with the Upledger Institute while I wait for my license.

And I meet this woman and and she's we're having dinner and I don't know anything about her.

And she says and she's like in like in the corporate kind of world as well.

So she says,

I'm a medium and somebody's here and they have a message.

Are you open to receiving messages?

And I'm like,

It's one thing if the spirit world drops in on me and gives me random messages,

But for her to tell me something about my life,

Not knowing anything about me.

I was raised in Europe.

My childhood is so different.

You couldn't even guess it.

So I'm kind of smirking,

Saying I'm taking a sip of my wine.

We're sitting at the bar waiting for our table,

Having a glass of wine.

And I'm like,

There is no way this woman is going to get anything right.

So I'm like,

Sure,

Sure.

Yeah,

I'm open to receiving messages.

So,

Of course,

She starts telling me things that there was no way you could guess.

So she's like,

I see fishing and laying fishnets in the ocean.

Are you kidding?

I mean,

How many people have have that experience of growing up like that?

And and very clear was my mom that was there.

She knew all these different things.

Wow.

And she said,

So your mom says you have to go and study mediumship at Arthur Findlay College in England.

And I'm like,

I can't do that.

I I just took my board exams.

I'm waiting for the results.

I have a residency.

I don't even know if they're going to give me vacation.

Like I'm like the lowest on the totem pole,

Like going in as a resident physician.

So that's you cover for everybody else when they take vacation.

Right.

So I'm like,

I don't know if I can do that.

And it just over and over this you have to do this.

And the fact that I even know knew what that was.

So she says you have to go study mediumship.

And I'm like,

I can't do that.

And then after,

You know,

A couple of times I said,

OK,

Fine,

I'll do it.

I don't know how this is going to work,

But guess what?

Six months later,

There I was at Arthur Findlay College.

And that was one of the times I got that first message.

And as as we're going through.

So we're I'm in class.

The first two days,

We spent a lot of time learning to read people psychically.

Like,

What do you understand from this person?

And you couldn't you know,

You can't guess because people come from all over the world and you can't even guess you.

It's either going to be right or wrong.

And then the third day she said,

Oh,

Now we're going to start connecting with the spirit world.

And I'm like,

I had no control of the messages because the spirit world up until this point had just been dropping in on me and saying,

You need to know this about this patient.

Or I would see patients before I got them on shift in med school.

That's when that started.

The whole medical intuitive.

So I had no control.

It was just they just dropped in.

So I'm thinking,

Oh,

No,

How is this going to go?

And I'm sitting in front of this young woman.

And this was my first reading.

And,

You know,

It's so vivid because it's so intense that first that you still remember this.

And I said,

All right.

So I see this woman and I see a lot.

I'm very clairvoyant.

So I'm going to say probably 80 or 90 percent of my messages come in images.

And then I also hear sometimes and I feel so it depends.

The type of message that is coming through comes in different ways.

So many times when when I'm working as a medical intuitive,

I feel it in my body.

I feel there's something wrong somewhere.

So here I am.

So I say I have this old,

Elderly,

Elderly woman with me.

And she is living in an elderly home.

And it's a very small cafeteria.

There's maybe only 10 tables.

And she's showing me a cup of coffee.

I'm like,

Do you understand this?

That's all we can say is,

Do you understand this?

She looks at me.

She says,

Yes.

OK,

Here we go.

So continue on.

And then I said,

Now she's showing me a house in the countryside.

And I don't I mean,

I don't even know what language this person speaks.

Right.

We're just all communicating in English.

So I said she's showing me a house in the countryside and it's got a big country kitchen.

But when you open the door there,

There's like chickens and pigs and there is like horses behind this fence.

And the chickens and the pigs are just kind of loose.

Like I don't see a fence around there.

It's kind of like roaming around in the yard.

And I said,

Do you understand this?

She says,

Yes.

And I said,

OK,

Now she's again showing me a cup of coffee.

Do you understand this?

Yes,

She says.

I said,

OK,

Now the third thing,

The last thing she showed me was a cake.

And it was something that looks like a cake out of a Disney movie.

I don't know what they're called.

They have like the three tiers on them,

Like three cakes on top of each other.

And it had whipped cream around the edges dotted with red cherries.

And I'm like,

This can't be right.

Like,

You know,

Is this my mind or you know,

Because you're learning to you know,

When you're learning mediumship,

You're learning.

Is that my mind tricking me or is it coming from spirit?

Right.

So you have to learn to distinguish between the two where the information is coming from.

So after the third time I get this image,

I said,

OK,

Well,

Here we go.

See the right or wrong,

Because we're told you have to say everything,

All the information you get,

Because it's the only way you're going to be able to sort out did that come from your brain,

Your mind,

Or did it come from the spirit world?

So it's kind of learning to sort the information that's coming in.

So I tell her this is the cake.

So she says,

Yeah,

I understand.

So it turns out that she was raised in the countryside.

She lived in a house next to her grandmother.

And every day in the afternoon,

She would go to her grandmother's house and share a cup of coffee.

And that was their link.

They would have coffee together every day.

Yes,

They had the animals running in the front yard.

And the cake that she showed me was the cake her grandmother made for her every year on her birthday.

And the grandmother had now she couldn't live in the house anymore.

So she was in an elderly home.

Oh,

My gosh.

I know it gives you goosebumps.

And so that that was like how that journey began.

And then going through medical school,

I started seeing,

Hearing,

Knowing things about the patients before I was even assigned the patient.

So you get to shift that the physician in charge does.

OK,

You're going to take,

You know,

Cheryl,

Cheryl Johnson.

That's your patient.

Right.

I'm just making up a name.

And and then I'm saying,

OK,

I'm taking that patient.

And you're the lower student.

You're going to be following me.

And I go in and then what I had been told about the patient in the meditation the day before or two days before was all true.

Right.

And so that's how that started.

And then it's,

You know,

Became more and more.

And people will get new patients as a resident and they walk in.

And this tall,

Skinny man walks in and he says,

Yeah,

You know,

I have this tickle cough.

I spent an hour with this man,

Tall,

Skinny,

Like in his early 70s and go through his entire history.

Listen to his lungs.

There is like not a peep in his lungs.

There's a lot of allergies in the town where we lived.

So any other physician would probably have said,

Try this allergy medication.

But when he walked in the room,

When as soon as he crossed into the exam room,

The spirit world said lung cancer.

So I was like lung cancer.

OK,

So I'm spending all this time with this man going through his history.

So it turned out that he had cancer when he was in his 20s and he had metastasis at that time on his lungs and they had radiated it.

And I said,

You know what?

I mean,

I went through his entire history and I said,

I because of your history and because you're worried about it.

And he didn't he had he he he went like this once,

Like in an hour.

That was his tickle cough.

Like there was.

Wow.

You know,

You think of somebody who has lung cancer,

That they cough a lot.

Yeah,

Sure,

Sure.

A lot I had done.

So anyway,

I sent him for an X-ray and it comes back possible cancer.

Handed him off to the integrative cancer doctor.

And literally,

I think he passed away in like three or four months.

Wow.

End stage.

And he wasn't coughing,

You know,

But he was the sole caretaker of his wife that had Alzheimer's.

Wow.

This diagnosis allowed him to find care for his wife,

Put all the papers in order and get everything done and then checked himself into hospice and passed away.

So and it was so frustrating for me because I had just graduated from med school and I,

You know,

Why did they tell me this?

And I wasn't able to save him.

And I was at Arthur Hindley College and I talked to my teachers like,

What is up with this?

Why are they telling me what his diagnosis is?

If I couldn't save him?

And they say,

Well,

Why do you think?

And I said so that I would listen.

And they said,

Yeah,

Because you're you listened to it and you couldn't you couldn't save this one,

But you'll be able to save other people.

And so that's what it is now.

Right.

So many times when I work as a medical intuitive people,

Before they even come on the screen,

I'll get a diagnosis sometimes like some of the last spirit world who's next,

You know,

And I'll say,

You know,

It's Suzanne Johnson.

You know what's wrong with her?

And the spirit world would give me a diagnosis.

And then the person comes on the screen and they'll say,

You know,

I have all these allergies and blah,

Blah,

Blah.

And that,

You know,

Tell me their story of what they've done.

And then I said,

OK,

So the spirit world told me that you have this.

And there are times they have said,

Oh,

I had that.

I had surgery for that.

And I was like,

Yeah,

Guess what?

It's still there.

And sure enough,

I do another surgery and it's still there.

And that was the problem that actually caused the allergies.

So it's really interesting.

I'm going to say that people who find me or are drawn to work with me are guided by their spirit guides.

Of course,

We all have spirit guides.

Everybody has spirit.

We have spirit guides,

Spirit animals.

We have our ancestors.

And the ancestors might not have been nice when they were here,

But,

You know,

They're good to us when they're on the other side.

The ancestor hold they hold us up.

They provide healing for us and they want the best for us.

And that's you know,

That's my work as an ancestral healer.

I do.

Oh,

My gosh.

Network.

So many more things to talk about.

And we're like reaching the end here.

But you said there were three lessons you learned from the other side.

You gave us one.

What were the other two as we wrap up?

Yeah.

So,

Yeah,

So one was that there is eternal life.

We we are all connected.

We're all you know,

We're all part of this divine grid,

The grid that they showed us.

And that's my work today is is resolving that because of the issues we have are entangled with our ancestors.

And so I do a lot of ancestral healing because we are entangled with the things that they did or did not do correctly.

They weren't able to resolve something that gets passed down.

And so I do a lot.

I teach for the shift network,

Taught a class in the fall,

And I'm teaching a deep dive course right now about that and to create that healing.

And we you know,

We are so we're all linked together through this grid.

And we are we're all loved like we all carry this divine love.

You know,

There are many times people feel alone in the world or they feel deserted because of the physical component of our what we're here to learn in this life.

But we are all loved.

We are part of source,

Right?

We carry that light within us.

And it's just a matter of tuning into that.

We're turning inward to that love.

We can't we can't change.

You know,

Let's say you had a mom or dad that you felt weren't their best and their best behavior when you were a child.

Like you can't fix them,

Right?

You can't change them.

And maybe they have already passed on.

But you can change yourself.

You can change and heal yourself.

Well,

That healing and create healing in your own life by resolving the issues.

But I'm going to say a lot of that comes from understanding why the issue is there.

And so that's my work as an ancestral healer is helping people uncover what it is,

You know,

What is the issue?

Why am I attracting the wrong partners?

I've been married three times.

Why is it that I can't get the promotion at work?

Why is it that I have this fear?

Why is it that,

Right?

It's all these whys.

And we don't often we don't see it.

And,

You know,

I get people,

Psychiatrists and counselors and physicians as my clients.

And it's fascinating because I feel like there are times.

Right.

So I'm working with somebody who is a counselor,

A psychiatrist who does this for a living every day.

And I say,

You know,

It sounds like,

You know,

Your father was this way or that way.

And this is the problem is really coming from here.

And then I see the face,

You know,

Their jaw drop,

Because I think that,

You know,

It's hard for us to see it because we get so entangled in our own emotions and the wrongdoings that were done to us.

And we get entangled in that.

And we carry that anger and we don't know necessarily how to get out of it.

But even when you have the training as a psychiatrist or counselor or a physician,

We it's hard for us to see it ourselves.

And sometimes you need somebody else to point that out and say,

Guess what?

It's over here.

This is the issue.

And then once you see that issue,

Then I take them on what I call a guided shamanic meditation journey where I connect with the spirit world if they're in spirit or here on Earth.

And we create healing through this grid that we all exist within.

And so it's a spiritual and emotional healing that takes place at the end of those sessions.

So it sounds like it's a one and done sort of session,

Like you're not having 10 sessions in order to heal some sort of something that's coming in from an ancestor.

It sounds like you're doing the shamanic journey and then it's you're cleaning up.

Yeah,

Exactly.

For that issue.

Right.

So that might be more issues.

Right.

Then you do another.

And that issue might have come from mom or that issue might have come from grandpa.

And then you do.

I have this problem.

Well,

That might be coming from somebody else in the family.

You have to do this again.

You kind of peel back the onion.

Yeah.

So many times people come back.

I have people that,

You know,

They haven't talked to their children for years.

And then we do a healing and we go through and we say,

This is why this is what's happening.

And then we do the healing.

And then two or three weeks goes by and I get the email and it says,

You won't believe who just called me.

Right.

My daughter,

Who I haven't spoken to in two years,

Just called me.

And they have no idea that this person or their mom did the healing.

But because we're all connected,

Right,

It goes back to that near death experience.

Everything is connected.

We are interconnected.

We are quantum physics.

Everything is entangled with everything else.

And it's and because of that entanglement,

When you create healing for yourself,

Your frequency,

I'm going to say,

Changes because you are connected to everything else.

We are connected,

Especially to our children and our loved ones.

And also the families that we marry into where now we're connected with all those people.

Right.

So it's a big it's a big net.

But all we can do is create healing for ourselves.

And when we create healing for ourselves,

That healing gets radiated out to the other people that,

You know,

That you are part of that grid.

Yeah,

It's like a domino effect.

And you said grid and net.

I the way I see it,

I don't know why my when I go to a meditation,

I'll see like a spider web,

Like where everything is just connected.

So we think we're here all alone,

But actually we are.

And I've seen it in a meditation like these energy streams that connect to you and me and the trees and the grass and every human.

It's like,

Whoa.

That's why we go back to every human.

Every experience is just mirroring who we are and showing us more of who we are.

And anyway,

We go on and on.

This was so good.

Thank you so much for being on.

Yeah,

That's Indra's net,

Right?

Indra's net,

The Krishna.

Yeah.

And I just wrote a meditation on that that actually talks about that.

It's a guided meditation.

I love it.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for the work you're doing in the world.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We need you out there.

So I appreciate everything you're doing.

And thanks for being on today.

Yeah.

Thank you so much for having me.

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