It Just Doesn't Matter - Dissecting The Wisdom

And welcome back,

Mark Lane,

My good friend and collaborator for another episode of Dissecting the Wisdom of Shaltazar.

Hello Jeffrey,

How are you today?

I'm doing well,

I'm doing well.

Let's jump right in and tell the listeners what message you chose today for us to talk about and dissect.

Sure,

This one is called It Just Doesn't Matter,

And it's the first Shaltazar message I ever listened to that kind of grabbed my attention.

And really,

I suppose it's the message that brought us together because I posted a comment on Insight Timer and you responded to it and here we are.

And here we are,

So many months later,

It just feels like yesterday.

And I think as we mentioned in one of our other episodes,

We moved from separation to unity and not only are we doing this podcast,

But we're talking about some other collaborations that are really exciting.

And so,

Yeah,

Here it is.

And it all started with It Just Doesn't Matter.

It's an interesting one,

And before we started to record,

I was telling you a bit about it.

It's one of the only messages that I channeled.

And after I finished channeling it and recording it,

I realized that part of it would make a mystical meditation.

And I got my audio guy to take that part of it out,

Slow it down a little bit,

And make it more into a mystical meditation.

So for anyone that looks up It Just Doesn't Matter,

You will see two of them.

One,

The complete message that we're going to talk about,

And another one,

Which is the last half of it that has been turned into a meditation.

What was your impression,

If you can remember back that far,

When you listened to it that prompted you to comment that that one moment brought us together?

And I guess that's how tentative life is,

Is that one choice can change,

In our case,

Two lives forever.

Right,

Yeah,

Yeah,

That's a sobering idea.

I think when I found this message,

I did listen to it as a meditation.

So I did,

You know,

It was my,

You know,

I had my morning meditations,

And I had chosen this as my meditation.

And I don't know why.

I don't remember,

I'd have to look back at Insight Timer and see what the little description was,

Because when I pick something,

I usually look at it,

Oh,

That looks interesting.

I'll read the description,

I'll go,

Oh,

Yeah,

This sounds like something that would,

I would enjoy or that would resonate with me.

And I found it to be kind of a mystical experience,

I guess.

I think the idea of taking a breath and allowing yourself to be on the edge of awareness was a really powerful experience for me,

As I remember it.

Kind of almost a transcendental experience where I sort of feel like my awareness sort of left my body behind,

And I was really completely fully 100% absorbed in that moment when I was listening to the message.

Which is really kind of interesting,

And it's kind of neat because the meditation,

The it just doesn't matter meditation,

Is an experience all onto its own.

But then when you tie it back to the channel message,

The beginning of the channel message is talking about manifestation and creation.

And there's a line in that that says,

Just beyond the nothingness lies great riches.

And then they start taking us beyond that place of nothingness.

And you sort of understand the whole last half of it,

You understand the experience,

They wanted you to feel that beyond the nothingness,

They wanted you to feel the stillness.

And for me,

It was very fascinating,

Because what came through me was you're on the edge and then you sort of leave your body.

And first comes,

I think it's sound,

And there's this sound,

And then comes light,

Lights of many colors,

And then comes this feeling of love.

And it's kind of neat.

I've had people who have had near-death experiences explain to me that that is,

To a certain degree,

Their experience,

Feeling the sound and feeling the love and also the lights.

And so it's kind of neat because it takes you out into the cosmos,

So to speak,

It takes you as if you're having this near-death experience.

And in other messages,

They say that we are very capable of having the near-death experience without having the near-death.

In other words,

That in human form,

Both you and I can experience what people who temporarily lose their physical life experience,

Which I think is very,

Very fascinating.

Yeah.

And maybe that's sort of the experience that I had because it was like that.

It was like I no longer had a body and I had moved,

Perhaps not all the way,

Not with both feet maybe,

But kind of got a peek behind the veil,

I guess.

And I think the thing that kind of cemented that for me was the idea that,

I mean,

I guess one of the ideas that they bring forth in this message is that it just doesn't matter what's it.

Well,

It is,

I think,

Our reality.

Everything we see around us,

All the physical nature of our existence,

From their point of view,

From beyond the veil,

None of it really exists.

It's not real.

What's real is that experience of nothingness.

And it's one of those things that kind of skips across the atmosphere of at least my awareness where I kind of get it,

Like I have a sense that I understand it,

But when I try to grab onto it,

It disappears.

But somewhere at some deep level,

It resonates and makes sense to me,

I guess.

And that's kind of neat.

And I think it's important for listeners to realize that when you get to that place of deep knowing,

It is very elusive,

It is very untangible,

It is illogical.

And that's okay.

And that's okay.

And in this experience,

They take you to something that is far more,

I believe,

Profound than human life,

Where you're in the presence of the source.

And a few of the messages from Shaltazar give us that experience.

And then we come back to our body,

And it sort of ends by leading you to believe that you might or might not remember that experience,

But every once in a while,

You will remember that phrase,

It just doesn't matter.

And I find that fascinating because whenever I get caught up in the thick of thin things,

Whenever I get caught up in the minutiae and trivialities of life,

I hear that phrase in my head very loudly,

It just doesn't matter.

And it kind of relaxes me,

It kind of takes the pressure off.

Because I don't know about you,

But we tend to make a big deal of things.

And when you look at the larger aspect of life,

More than just human life,

It just doesn't matter.

And I find that so fascinating.

And I love the way they end it,

Or the way I interpret it,

The way they end it,

Is they say,

Because you come back into your body,

And then you say,

Maybe you weren't dreaming,

Maybe you did cross over behind the veil,

Maybe you went from form to formless,

But you get the sense that you will never know for sure.

Just maybe,

If your experience was real,

You will someday remember it more vividly.

Maybe your journey to the beyond will help you in your human sojourn in some way.

Maybe your human life will begin to make more sense.

And then they say,

And if not,

So be it.

Maybe it just doesn't matter.

And it's like,

Wow,

Even this amazing mystical experience,

Was it real,

Was it not,

Did I really come face to face with God?

And you come back into human life,

And maybe you're going to remember,

Maybe it's going to change your life.

And they say,

But if not,

So be it.

Maybe it just doesn't matter.

It's just that,

To me,

It's like taking a giant weight off my shoulders when I hear it just doesn't matter.

Right,

Right.

It reminds me of the movie Meatballs with Bill Murray,

Where he was a camp counselor in a camp in Canada.

And at one point when their camp was taking on the big expensive rich person camp across the other side of the lake,

Their motto was,

It just doesn't matter.

Well,

We beat the other camp at whatever,

It just doesn't matter.

It's very,

Very powerful because I think we do get caught up in the competition,

In the achievement,

In striving for success.

And it's interesting because they kind of threw this at us as an interesting curve,

As you're aware,

I'm sure,

Shelters are,

You know,

Is often put forth the teaching of the art of surrender,

To let go,

To surrender.

And it just doesn't matter is sort of that surrendering,

Isn't it?

It just sort of gives you that when you stop pushing,

When you stop making it matter,

Then all of a sudden you're in that place of surrender.

And what shelter's are says is that's when spirit comes rushing in to guide you.

And so that's kind of interesting.

And that's why,

You know,

Here it is.

We started out the conversation,

We're talking about the meditation part because I think you could talk a lot with it.

And that's why I wanted to break it out as a separate meditation or message.

But then when you start to bring back the beginning part of it,

It kind of makes more sense because this surrendering,

This it just doesn't matter,

This quieting the mind and going to the nothingness to the void,

Fits very much in with what they're telling us as to how to be successful in manifesting.

Right.

And it also seems to be,

It also seems to be almost an instruction manual for connecting to them.

Yes.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Because it's kind of like they're telling us,

Okay,

We're over here,

You're over here,

But you can come over here and connect to us by doing this,

You know,

Letting go of the mind,

Drop your,

You know,

Move beyond your humanness,

You know,

Trust that this is all the way it's supposed to be.

And it's all working how it's supposed to.

All those kind of little instructions that they throw in there,

Allowing yourself to feel the discomfort of nothingness.

It's kind of like,

Okay,

This is how you get,

This is how you connect to us.

This is how you hear us.

And then the meditation is like,

Okay,

Let's try it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's kind of weird.

You and I were talking before we recorded partway through as it transitioned into the meditation,

What came through me was this weird words,

Sha'una kei ta'i ona,

Bataruna pei kei ona sei.

And I remember,

I think even in your comment,

You asked,

Well,

What's that mean?

And it's like,

I don't know.

But it was interesting because that's when the second part came about.

It was as if that was my letting go.

It was as if my surrender was those words came forth.

And it's interesting because I think the first thing that they,

You know,

When you get into that place,

That,

You know,

The divine,

It is sounds that start to come.

And there's one,

I don't know if I can find it.

There is a sound,

A very powerful sound reverberating all around you.

You can feel the sound.

It is pulsing strongly.

It is as if a thousand orchestras were playing at the same time,

Totally in harmony with each other.

And it's so interesting because I heard this a number of years ago and I believe it and I can never get it out of my mind that spirit at its essence is sound and light.

That's all spirit is because it's formless.

And so formless what?

And if you look at sound,

It travels much faster than we in physical form can do.

And light travels even faster.

So the speed of sound and light.

And so the sounds of those words,

Whatever they were,

I don't know if they're words,

Those sounds obviously shifted the tone of the channeling and brought me into the second half,

Which was more of the mystical meditation.

And the mystical meditation,

As I mentioned,

Had three components.

It had the sound,

It had the colorful lights,

And then it had the feeling of which they suggested could be unconditional love.

And that's where a lot of people that have near-death experiences talk about the white light.

There it is,

The light again,

And that feeling of unconditional love.

So it's one of the most unique and it's the only one that I really kind of turned into a meditation because on its own,

And I listen to it over and over again on its own,

It really sort of takes me to that experience.

And then of course drops that gem of wisdom when I come back to my human body.

It just doesn't matter.

Right.

Yeah.

You know,

Going back to the idea of light and sound too,

We always talk about energy being a vibration,

Right?

And light and sound are both wavelength types of vibration.

And it would make sense that,

Like you said,

That spirit would be some sort of vibratory energy that impacts us somewhere viscerally,

But not necessarily with our five senses.

Right.

And it also makes sense that we in human form are a slowed down version of that vibratory energy because the physical form vibrates a lot slower than light or sound.

Right.

Right.

And so if spirit has got the power that we believe it does,

And I believe it does,

It doesn't make sense that it would be this lowly form that,

Because we know that solids vibrate at a much lower rate than liquids or vapor or that sound or light.

So that the speed of that vibration,

It would make sense would be much greater than anything that has form.

Sure.

Right.

Kind of neat.

Very interesting.

I was talking to a client a while ago and this message came up because she had unfortunately witnessed a person in a high rise commit suicide,

Which was a very jarring experience.

And I had to try and help her make some sense of it.

And I can't really recall the entire conversation,

But it was actually kind of neat because we were able to bring a cousin of hers that had passed away at a young age of cancer and the spirit of this person that committed suicide.

And this client was able to connect the both of them because obviously the trauma of suicide,

I believe would make it very difficult for the spirit to transition back.

And so she created a little bit of a buddy system and her late cousin was able to say,

Come with me and don't worry,

I'll show you around.

And so that was kind of interesting.

But this message came up about it just doesn't matter because she was sort of into the,

You know,

What caused the person to do it and was there any support and did they have mental illness?

And then I said,

That just doesn't matter.

The reality is that a human life was lost in a very tragic way.

And let's try to put that in perspective because trying to get all of the minutia and details would maybe try to help us make sense of it,

But what good is that?

And something came out of the conversation that was really interesting.

And that was that when you finally let go of it just doesn't matter,

When you finally get rid of all of the stuff that is the trivialities of your life,

Then consciously you can decide what matters.

And it was a very interesting insight because,

You know,

At 68 years of age,

There's so much in my life that I made matter that wasn't really my choice.

It was my indoctrination.

It was how I was taught,

As Don Miguel Ruiz calls it,

The domestication.

And in that moment,

It was kind of interesting because I realized that you kind of have to let go of everything and get to that point of it just doesn't matter when,

You know,

When everything is swept clean,

Then consciously you can say,

Now what does matter to me in human life?

And it was very sobering in the next number of days.

I started to look at some of the things I was doing from that,

Am I choosing me,

My higher self,

My lower self?

What is it?

Who is it that's choosing whether this matters or not?

And there were a lot of things that I realized that I made matter that didn't really matter.

And one of the things that really mattered is my connection to the invisible world,

My connection to Shaltazar.

And I reinforced that matter,

That thing that mattered so much to me and ask for guidance and signs that I could increase and strengthen my connection.

So it's really,

Really powerful when you clean out the closet,

You know,

You clean out that old cluttered garage and you get rid of all of the stuff that doesn't matter.

And then you start putting things in that really matter.

Does that resonate with you,

Tomark?

Yeah,

You know,

It kind of reminds me or makes me think about this whole COVID situation and forced isolation.

It's almost like you've mentioned before that it was like the universe pushed the pause button on life here.

And one of the benefits of that is that it kind of broke us all out of our routines and out of our automatic living,

You know,

Where we're just going through these motions and we're doing things and we don't really know why just because we've always done it that way.

And it made you kind of stop and go,

Wait a minute,

You know,

Is there meaning behind this or is there purpose behind this?

Is this something that's useful and helpful or is it just inertia that is pushing me forward and making me to continue to do things this way,

Even though maybe it's not in my best interest or in the best interests of the planet?

Yes,

I mean,

There's nothing like,

You know,

The quarantining and the self-isolation and the things being closed that we enjoy being taken away from us for us to realize how much did that matter?

How much,

You know,

Did we,

How much value did we put on that?

Because now that it's taken away,

Maybe we're a little grumpy,

Maybe we're a little less satisfied,

But we still have life,

Which is,

You know,

Better than that person that committed suicide and who knows whether that person did it because of the trials and tribulations and challenges of COVID or the people that have lost their life to COVID-19.

So there's nothing like,

I guess,

A global pandemic to make you question what really matters.

So,

But once again,

I just want to reinforce,

I think you have to kind of let go of,

Of all of the things you think matter and then consciously start to rebuild what does matter.

Yeah,

That makes sense.

I know one of the things I found interesting about the whole isolation is the sports culture.

You know,

We were very focused on all the professional sports,

College sports,

You know,

It was like that took up a lot of people's time.

And now that they're gone,

You know,

That's one of those things you're like,

You know,

Your priorities are kind of shifted a little bit.

Was really all that time and energy and emotion spent on watching,

You know,

Athletic performances.

Was that,

Did that really matter?

You know,

Is that important?

Or maybe are those,

Is that attention and time and money and emotional resources better devoted to something else that actually has a greater benefit to mankind and society?

So excellent point.

That's an excellent point.

What are all of those people?

I'm not,

I'm not a sports fan because I'm not,

I'm not really big on competition.

I'm more a collaborative cooperative guy.

And maybe that's because I was such a spaz when I was a young person and wasn't very athletic and so maybe that's why I had a distaste for sports because I never was any good at it.

But having said that,

My life has grown without that.

What about all of those people,

Like you say,

That put in the time,

The effort,

The emotional connection?

What have those people been doing for the last three or four months?

It's like,

You know,

Are they going to think about how they fill that time?

You know,

Or are they going to mindlessly go back to the athletics,

The sports,

When they open up again?

And so that's a beautiful example.

Thank you,

Mark.

That's a brilliant practical example of what we're talking about.

We need to clean out that,

We have to go to the,

It just doesn't matter because athletics didn't matter when it was compared to this life threatening virus.

And when,

You know,

When this is over,

Then you sort of have to rebuild,

Is this one of the things that really matter?

And so I encourage listeners,

I really encourage listeners as COVID-19,

As the pandemic becomes a history,

And it will,

It will,

We will move on.

Shaltazar says that,

You know,

Everything goes by the law of cycles.

Think in a very conscious way,

If what mattered before really matters and start to rebuild your life based on what really matters to you.

And certainly,

You know,

One of the things that really mattered to me is hugging people,

Because I loved hugging my clients,

I loved hugging my family,

And I kind of miss that.

And so it allows you to sort of go back to ground zero and say,

Okay,

Forget about everything I was taught,

What is really meaningful.

So that's fabulous.

Any final words on this message,

Mark?

It was a great choice.

I thank you for picking it.

Oh,

Sure.

No,

I enjoyed talking about it.

If I had to leave one thought,

Based on what you just said,

Maybe we think about this as cleaning out the toy box.

You've got this box full of toys,

You dump it out on the floor,

And you have to consciously decide which ones to put back in the box and which ones to give away to,

You know,

To goodwill.

So yeah,

I love that.

I love that because a lot of what our life is,

Is those toys that we accumulate.

So what really is important?

I hope the listeners check out that message,

Both the meditation version and the longer version.

We didn't get a chance to talk about it,

But it holds some keys to manifestation and creation that people may find interesting.

Thanks again,

Mark,

And we'll see you again next week.

Sure thing.

Thanks Jeffrey.

Love and light to you all.