I Am That - Session 39 - Chapter 15 - The Gnyani - Part 5

Listen to Ektaji talk about Nisargadatta Maharaj's book I Am That. Nisargadatta Maharaj was a teacher who did not propound any ideology or religion, but gently unwrapped the mystery of the self. I Am That preserves his dialogs with the followers who came from around the world seeking guidance in destroying false identities.

Transcript

This is the problem with scholarly spiritual people and spiritualists who wants to get there experientially.

Two different kinds of spiritualists these are.

A scholarly person loves the text and loves to translate them and stuff like that.

He is very learned but he lacks the self-realization.

The experientially attained spiritualist will have the complete realization.

He will get there experientially.

He might not be so learned to use all these wonderful words that the scholarly person uses but he has experientially tasted the nectar.

Difference between these two people.

Can we say that it said if it's not thought about it's not there right.

So even in the experience at one point it's like can I say it's always thought about because from this experience with eyes closed there is a point where you just dissolve into nothingness but still there's a thought comes then oh this this is happening and you come back here.

If it doesn't come then you can just go into that nothingness and you don't even have this existence at all right.

Can that happen?

Trying to explain my understanding.

Yeah it can happen and it cannot happen it depends but it is this is there.

The existence is there.

You cannot deny it right.

It is there but it is that only that is the truth.

I come out of that I go back in this saying this I am going in and out.

I'm thinking there is a duality.

There is no duality.

It is all one.

Seeing that that unmanifest itself has waves of manifestation which are in the sea or the ocean of the unmanifest.

Not seeing a duality.

Seeing it all as H2O.

That is the last step.

Okay.

So it's like irrespective I'm with eyes closed our eyes open you see the sky it's like okay the sky is blue but it's not true.

It's always there.

It's like even with eyes open it comes and goes it comes and goes and then you know once you know the truth and so you are there you always know the coming and going but you don't get attached to it.

Superb.

It's like seeing it as it is.

Superb.

Ten on ten.

That is the mistake we make because we've come from the Dwaitam Path.

From Dwaitam Path we are used to sleeping in our meditations and we call it meditation.

Yeah.

100% 100% of the people all the time sleep in their meditations and call it I was blissful.

You were sleeping.

You have zero idea what is meditation and you love to go to sleep.

No it is not that.

Don't pull yourself into that.

Recognizing truly who I am and abiding in that truth that is meditation.

How do you know first of all these everyone exists?

They are all your projection.

Yes.

So just talk about my experience in my direct experience.

This is what I see.

I see a wave come up.

A little wave and that is the sense of I and the moment that I opens its eyes and looks at a reflection in the mirror and says oh this is who I am.

So it's actually just the real me looking into the mirror of the mind which is I and that mirror of the mind is again looking into the mirror of the world.

So it's a mirror into a mirror.

You know you've stood in front of multiple mirrors.

Yeah.

How the reflection gets scattered.

That's exactly what has happened.

So it is one reflection into another reflection like standing in front of multiple mirrors.

Yes.

So when you come to the core you recognize there's no more going beyond the nothingness the emptiness.

That is who I am.

That is my true nature.

And it's not even an I.

I cannot say I anymore over there.

There simply is that vastness.

So Brahman is actually it literally translated from Sanskrit it is the vast.

Unless you actually experiment and see it in your self-exploration nobody would understand the word the vast.

Yeah.

So it is not explained to everybody that way.

But the one who sees it recognizes yeah it's just the vast nothingness emptiness stillness.

Uh-huh.

That is who I am.

So that is unmanifest means it does not have a form.

So an enlightened person suppose he's enlightened and in his mid-ages 40s but his shelf life of the body is 80s.

We are still thinking that he is the body.

But he doesn't consider himself as the body.

He does not even consider himself as the sense of I.

This is a beginner's book on Maharaja's path.

This is not the ultimate book.

There is beyond I.

Yeah.

There is beyond I am that also.

That is for a person who recognizes I am not even the sense of I am.

So then the first part of the journey is completely over.

The I has completely collapsed from being mine or being I.

This I still arises because of its past stored impressions.

The I will still arise.

But I have got nothing to do with it.

So from the level that Maharaj speaks if you remember in this chapter he says I've got nothing to do with God.

Yes.

So the I arises.

The projection happens in him also.

He's projecting all these people all these Westerners who have come to him sitting in his humble place and listening to him.

You've seen the videos.

So all this is still happening.

This is all based on the past seeds that have to sprout for this body from the 40s where he got enlightened till whatever 80s till the body ends its journey.

So whatever needs to sprout it sprouts.

He says I've got nothing to do with the world.

I've got nothing to do with God.

As you go ahead he'll say I've got nothing to do with I.

Drop even I am that.

But not till you are still here.

After you complete this journey then you drop even I am that.

Not till you complete the journey.

Everything is unreal.

Yes.

So finally you have to come experientially come to that acceptance that my entire private world that I have projected is unreal.

When you come to that final acceptance then you have completed the journey.

So I've got nothing to do with this world means I've got nothing to do with the creation of God.

The moment you say I've got nothing to do with this creative power that says I am this or that.

I want to become this.

I want to become that.

Then you have come to the point where Maharaj says I've got nothing to do with God.

Then you come to the point the highest point of this book which will be later in the higher chapters.

You've got nothing to do with that I that comes up also.

That's not me.

So it's always like it's always like there is this unreal.

You just have to know this is unreal.

Yes that's it.

You cannot get rid of it in the shelf life of this physical body continues.

It's like this physical body is that binocular that was given to you in which you have to complete the journey.

And it was your own desire not somebody else doing it to you.

My own desire I wanted this.

Now this is going to continue.

So let it continue.

I've got nothing to do with it.

Let the world continue.

Let the world get destroyed.

Let God continue.

Let God be there.

Let God not be there.

I've got nothing to do with it.

I've got nothing to do with him.

Finally we'll reach there.

Don't rush.

Let it happen.

Finally that I also is not me not mine.

Complete this ownership happens with the world with God and with I.

You cannot say I can keep one thing of the world as mine.

I want ownership of Ekta.

Ekta keeps me here.

No.

Ekta has become your new obstacle now and you have created it.

Yes that's how gurus become obstacles on the path.

Attachment to the guru becomes an obstacle.

I keep reminding you time and again.

No getting attached to anything of this projected world.

Ekta is your projection.

Clear?

Just take the message look within.

I have to drop the world along with its spiritual guru.

I have to drop the God along with all the rites rituals everything.

Finally I have to drop the I also.

That is the last part of the journey.

I hope you have woken up to this truth.

Yes and I hope you have woken up to all the desires that come up in you in which the I can get trapped.

I want this and I don't want this.

I am this and I am not this.

Yes start recognizing them as impressions for further projection.

Can I let go let go let go let go finally have to let go of the I also this is not who I am.

This is not me.

Then you will come to that stage that I talk about that I am not speaking.

I am here behind.

I'm just observing this body mind speak to a bunch of people on it on the screen.

I am constantly here and how am I constantly here because I have divorced cravings and aversions complete divorce cravings and aversions complete divorce and completely divorce the sense of I but we have to get to that know your destination.

I always tell you you should have the end destination on the GPS then you know in which direction you are going.

Very clear.

Yeah,

The final lesson is also I am not the doer.

I'm not the experiencer.

The first lesson is also I'm not the doer.

I'm not the experience of this entire journey takes you all the way there.

And finally the I also drops.

I only don't exist.

There is no I.

Then you have really attained the highest purity.

Good now you saw all this you understood all this now drop this is not important.

Go back to the I yeah the sense of I it's important to know that I am not the doer.

Interesting to analyze all the objects,

But it's no point in your spiritual journey.

You reach a stage where you see the futility of analyzing the objects.

Habits memories the body the mind the world all this is objects.

Now turn towards the subject the sense of I the sense of I understand that more turn inwards now to the unmanifest keep observing the I collapsing keep observing the I collapsing throughout the day.

This is happening.

Are you all able to see throughout the day?

Raise your hands.

Those who are not able to see this happening throughout the day.

You've not been really giving this enough attention become more Antarmukhi.

Drop this futility futile world.

It's pointless.

How much more how much more inwards now?

Okay.

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