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Perfection: The Dance of Destiny and Choice

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"Life is Perfect, but not predetermined." Kimba Arem is an international performer and recording artist, sound engineer, molecular biologist, classically trained musician, and subtle energy therapist. In this podcast Kimba speaks of her near death experience during which she “saw the perfection of everything that has ever happened on every level until this time”. If you are feeling stressed – or just curious – we invite you to listen and relax to the vibrational sounds of her Crystal Didjeridu.

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This is Kabbalah 99.

I'm Deborah Sofia.

Today we have on our call Kimba Ahrem,

An international performer,

Recording artist,

Sound engineer,

Molecular biologist,

Classically trained musician,

Subtle energy therapist,

And a full-time spiritual seeker.

So welcome,

Kimba.

With your attunement to breath and sound and spirituality,

I really found a sister soul.

Yeah,

It's wonderful to connect with you.

Thanks for reaching out.

Now I was listening to a book that you made with Dr.

Weil called Self-Healing with Sound and Music.

And in your book you said you had a near-death experience that changed the trajectory of your life.

Could you tell me a little bit about that?

Yeah,

That's a whole book in itself,

But to just summarize a very incredible life-changing experience into a short snippet.

I was just about to graduate and enter medical school,

Graduate college.

And I had this experience that at the time I did not have any context for or any words to describe,

Like even near-death experience.

I had no spiritual foundation.

And at that time I thought I had my life figured out.

This experience,

Which I later found the words near-death experience by reading voraciously,

And I found Dr.

Raymond Moody's work of interviewing thousands of people who had gone to the brink of death or looked through that door.

And he coined the term near-death experience.

So I think that's the closest to describe what this experience was for me.

You hear about the life review and you see everything that's happened up to this point in your life.

With that,

You see that there was an order to it.

There was almost like an unfolding of a divine perfection.

And it's really hard to see this in our normal,

What we call normal beta consciousness state of mind that we walk around in.

But when you have these experiences,

It's like zooming out.

Like if you're going to outer space and look at the earth and then keep going and you look down and you see how,

From this higher elevated perspective,

How everything works together.

You can see like,

Say the planet,

How it's a perfect symbiotic organism,

Everything working together coherently.

But when you're living on the surface of the planet,

Sometimes it looks a little chaotic.

And it's hard to see the intricacy of the coherence of that life form.

It's the same with your life.

Like if you have these,

I call it like a fractal zoom out.

If you're familiar with fractals,

When you zoom out,

You go out and out and out and you see that everything is part of a pattern.

This is what the Hermeticists talk about in all the ancients who formed these coherent theories of how the universe operates.

And it's all very geometrical and it's structured musically,

Which we'll get into in a little bit.

And there's this pattern,

As above,

So below,

Said Hermes.

This is a philosophical and alchemical formula.

Life is actually perfect.

Even the challenges that we face,

Even the most difficult challenges that we face.

What I also saw though,

At that zoom out experience was the direction I was going because I was told,

Through my higher self or however,

I was told this information.

It's not my time to go to the afterlife,

But I saw the direction on the trajectory I was on,

Which was like a certain timeline.

And what was a great gift was that we have free will on this planet and in this realm.

And I had the choice to change the direction of my life.

Even though everything was perfect and that brought me to this point,

The place I was going I could see wasn't in alignment with my Dharma or my soul's purpose,

Why I chose to incarnate and the things that I had come here to do,

To express as my life purpose,

Which I believe everybody has that.

It's just when we drink the draft of forgetfulness in the process of death and rebirth that we sometimes don't remember.

And this experience was what Gurdjieff would call a corrective shock back to remembering the timeline I meant to be on and the purpose I'm here to fulfill.

But it didn't give me all the answers of how it would play out.

It's just how I would operate from where I acted to create my life from going forward.

Well,

You said something very interesting because you said that it was all perfect and all kind of planned out and yet you had free choice.

So it seemed like it's perfect but not predetermined.

So we can pivot.

There are pivotal points.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Now there's this whole debate in the philosophical world and they talked about this determinism versus free will.

And there's this whole very deep never-ending debate.

And the reason that there is no answer is because it's both paradoxically.

And that's what the paradox of life here is that we do have free will and yet there are karmic patterns which we could say predetermination or your astrology might give,

And in Vedic astrology they go into this way deep.

But it's going to the predetermined part is the pattern.

But how we react to it makes all the difference in the world.

So let's say like making lemonade out of lemons.

Like you can have an event in your life that may be playing out karmic patterns from who knows how far back in your soul's history.

But how you respond to it,

It can be like a wonderful experience or very transformative as far as your spiritual evolution,

Or it can just stick your face in the mud.

But it's the same experience and it's how you respond is the free will part.

And so that's what I was shown is like,

Okay,

We have free will and there are certain patterns that we have set in our lives,

Which are actually perfect,

Even the challenging ones.

And that's the key is like,

Don't get caught up in the duality of the great times or the low points because they're all part of this pattern that is actually part of the perfection of the creator,

Which we are all an atom in the cell of the body of the creator or something like that.

We're not separate from this ultimate pattern.

Originally you were planning on becoming a doctor,

You're getting ready to go to med school.

And then after this experience,

You lived your life as a musician.

You were classically trained in piano and flute,

But then you discovered a very different kind of music.

Would you talk about that?

I'm an introvert.

I really feel most at home kind of by myself in nature,

To be honest.

And I was like,

Wait,

When I was a kid and yet,

You know,

We live in a world and that wasn't my Dharma to just go be a hermit and live in the cave somewhere,

Which I feel called to constantly.

But you know,

When I was a kid,

I loved music and that was my outlet.

And I wasn't told you have to practice.

It was like,

I loved practicing,

But I never saw that as a vocation because I didn't like being in front of people.

Or you know,

Like I always saw a musician as it's a performing thing and I don't,

I'm not a performer.

I don't really get juice from that.

It kind of drains me actually to feel like too much attention going toward me.

So I was going to go into medical school and I figured this way I can be of service.

So when I had my awakening within about a couple of months of that time,

The didgeridoo came into my life.

I had never seen it or heard it before,

But I saw it on campus.

The lady had it next to her and I was just completely magnetized toward this thing.

And back then it was not a common instrument.

So I went up to her and I said,

Play this thing for me.

I have to hear it.

And when I heard the sound,

It was literally like a key fitting in a lock of my soul.

And when that key turned,

I was like,

I need this in my life.

It's the only thing that really makes sense right now.

And so I started playing the didgeridoo and that taught me everything I needed to know.

And that guided me through,

I mean,

I still always carry a digit by my side for 30 years.

I always have a digit in my car or about that time I traveled to New Zealand,

I had a digit by my side and I played that thing and I played it.

And it taught me about breath work,

Pranayama,

The ultimate pranayama is playing this instrument coupled with learning how to use your breath fully and the sound,

The om sound,

Which is,

You know,

What I discovered later is the sound of the creator.

The didgeridoo became my guide for the direction of my life.

And it guided me toward my soul's purpose,

Which was to use frequency coupled with intention and consciousness to help others,

Help with healing the earth,

Help people in their transformation.

Process,

Whether through dying or birthing or life changes or just healing through cancer or that kind of thing.

Music has actually,

As I've discovered since then,

Been used since the beginning of human history for these purposes.

It's just that in our modern times,

It became kind of like an entertainment thing.

And that's how I always thought music was,

You know,

The only way to use it was you perform.

And I realized,

No,

Music is a form of ministry.

It's like,

As a musician,

You are a minister,

Like a messenger,

A cycle pump between the worlds.

And that is your job.

And it's not your music that when it's really good,

It's not even your music.

So even claiming,

You know,

Responsibility for the creation of the sounds is,

I think,

A mistake,

You know,

Because if you're really tapped in,

You are making you are a bridge for the frequencies from the higher realms into the earth plane.

And that's where the healing happens.

It's not because I'm so great,

And I'm going to heal you with my sounds.

That's why I don't call myself sound healer.

I'm a messenger,

I'm a sound therapist.

And that is the purpose for music is to be a world Bridger.

I really love the didgeridoo because it's a monochord,

It's one note.

And Socrates said,

You know,

The the monochord,

If you study this,

It will teach you the secrets of creation.

And I've started to understand what that means.

Now,

That's a very profound statement.

And didgeridoo is a monochord of the breath,

Monochord is one note,

And then you subdivide it and you get all the harmonics and all the other notes of the scale.

But something like crystal bowls,

Which I play with the didgeridoo is also a mono is the own,

You know,

It's the one tone.

The sound of the creator is of tone.

There's a tone of creation.

So Tibetan bowls are also very similar.

They have the monotone fundamental tone,

And then the harmonics on top of it,

Which is where all the dance and the song and the information is encoded in those harmonics,

Which you always have that base tone.

And then I got into four chamber flutes and Native American flutes.

And what I like about these instruments is that they are played intuitively.

And in the moment,

You don't have to get in your mind memorizing,

Because that's what I was associated music with,

Is you read music or you memorize pieces that somebody else wrote.

And they're from however long ago.

I love the classical pieces.

And they're great.

And I appreciate that kind of music.

But when you're playing with a group of people out in the earth or in a sound journey,

Everyone lying on the floor,

You want to play to the local frequency of the collective group and all the elementals and the energy of the land where you are.

And that's very much in the moment.

So this is where the messenger part gets in.

You get out of the way and you let the music play through you.

And these Native instruments are designed that way,

Mostly.

Many of the Native instruments are played by letting the spirit of the creator,

The creative energy flow through you.

And they're attuned to the frequency of the people of the group that you're working with or the individual that you're working with.

So it's tailored to the moment,

Which is always changing.

Everything in life is always changing,

Like a river.

It's just flowing.

And so this kind of music is like the way the Tao,

I feel a rare line with the Taoist philosophy,

The way of water.

And so music,

A lot of my music,

I have water recordings from Kauai in the background because it just fits,

You know,

It's the same kind of consciousness of flowing with the river of life.

Well,

You got me very interested in the sound of the didgeridoo.

And in a minute,

I'd like to ask you to play a little bit of it for us.

Before you do that,

Could you talk about the circular breathing and how that impacts you as a messenger?

What does that do for you when you breathe like that?

St circular breathing is a technique and I do teach workshops in making the didgeridoo.

We make them out of a really resonant,

Inexpensive plastic that sounds fantastic.

So the first thing you learn with the didgeridoo is the fundamental tone.

And that's a technique in itself.

It's how you match the frequency of the vibration of your lips to the parameters of the pipe.

Then that's dependent on the diameter and the length and the density of the substance.

But that's,

It's not a mind thing.

It's just with practice,

You get the tone.

Then as you get more comfortable,

You start to incorporate circular breathing and you can actually circular breathe on many different instruments that are wind instruments that have a seal that make a seal with your lips.

When you're taking air into your nose to refill your lungs,

You use your cheeks as the temporary lungs to keep the pipe going.

So you're transferring from cheek air to lung air.

And this is like,

I could circular breathe within about a week,

But it was like four years of refining it so it was effortless.

It's really just something you just need to practice.

Like meditation,

You're not going to be an expert meditator the first time you sit on your pillow.

It takes time to get the techniques down.

And even though they're simple and it's one note,

So you don't have to be a musician to play the didgeridoo.

I actually consider it a self healing tool for learning how to use your full breath capacity.

We have to retrain ourselves how to breathe.

Your breath is the Ruh,

Is the spirit.

And in that,

If we're not breathing the full voltage of our breath into our physical body,

I think that's partly why we lose our connection to our higher selves.

What happened to me?

You are a spirit,

You know,

And breathing is such a fundamental part of the incarnation process.

So I consider the didgeridoo like one of the best tools for learning incarnation.

It helped me with everything imaginable.

I learned all about my own Kundalini energy,

Which I didn't even have any language for this,

But over years of playing it,

It actually helped to free up my subtle energy in my Nadi,

The channels through the,

So the Nadi's are the subtle channels that come through the nose.

So you're breathing in through your nose,

You're stimulating these Nadi's and the Idan Pingala,

The sun and moon channels that are connected to your Kundalini life force,

Which goes all the way down your spine.

And I see the didge is kind of like a Shashumna,

Which is,

It looks like just the straight channel,

You know,

Between the upper chakras and the root,

Like the didgeridoo,

It's like heaven and earth connected.

And when you get this channel moving through the circular breathing and through the playing and this Aum sound,

Which is connecting your brain to the harmonics of the creator frequency,

You know,

It's just like the ultimate pranayama.

It's the ultimate tool.

It was teaching me all these things.

There's so many directions we could go in with what you're saying,

But I'd like to give our listeners a taste of your beautiful didgeridoo.

Okay.

If anybody wants to share their experience,

I would love to hear it.

Ooh,

I can still feel the vibration of that sound.

It's a crystal didgeridoo.

It's very beautiful.

Thank you.

Well,

You mentioned with the didgeridoo that there are harmonics,

And I would assume that there would be overtones also.

Can you talk a little bit about how a monochord has harmonics?

Most people are familiar with the musical scale like do re mi fa so la ti do,

Or the notes of a scale in the Western scale.

That's what we mainly work with.

The monochord can be actually any one of those notes.

It could be the note C,

Which we consider the root note of the major scale,

C.

Or it could be the next note up.

It could be D,

But it's one note.

All you have to do,

What Socrates was using in his schools of sacred geometry,

And that's what they were teaching in these mystery schools back in Greece and in the Egyptian mystery schools and beyond.

They used music as a metaphor for how nature structures itself and how the cosmos structures itself.

Now we're finding our DNA is structured and the proportions of the human body in the same way.

Everything fits into this pattern,

Which is what I saw in my awakening.

This is what they were using to guide people into understanding this infinite metaphor,

Which is music.

The monochord,

He would take a string and string it over two frets.

A guitar has frets and that's where the frets are located to determine the note.

Any single note is considered a monochord.

If you were to play that note,

Just pluck that string,

You'd hear this fundamental tone.

Within that fundamental tone are harmonics.

This is where it gets really interesting as far as the connection to the as above,

So below.

Because every note has a high,

If you go up eight notes,

So C,

D,

E,

F,

G,

A,

B,

And then you get to C again where the scale starts over,

But it's the next octave is what it's called.

That is a harmonic of the note C.

The same if you go down.

If you go down the scale,

You will go to the harmonic below C.

What's interesting about this is they're finding that because of the musical structure of how everything is related from the structures on earth and the way that the Fibonacci and Phi spirals grow and the proportions of the golden mean and all of these sacred geometry words that are hard to describe without some visuals,

But they are showing a repeating pattern on scales above and below.

What you can know with music is that you can access these higher harmonics which go into the realm of light.

If you go up 20 octaves from audible sound,

You'll get light.

The same frequency higher starts to turn into light and then different varieties of light.

That's a scientific fact that if you raise the frequency of sound,

It becomes light?

Yes.

If you keep going,

It goes into different spectra like infrared,

All x-ray,

Ultraviolet.

These are all different frequencies of vibration,

But now they're in the light and they go beyond the visible.

The musical realm is actually only a very small sliver of the spectrum of vibration.

In the Hermetic Philosophy,

There's a really great book that goes into this.

It's an ancient book called the Kybalion.

And this has a wonderful way to describe this phenomenon of sound and how if you go down the scale like octaves or harmonics of,

We're living in this certain bandwidth on earth of matter and what we consider like diamond would be really dense matter and bubbles would be like really not so dense matter.

And you go beyond that and you go into the sub-octave frequencies,

Which are all vibrations.

That's what the modern quantum physics is showing that there are no billiard balls like I was shown in like.

.

.

I never made any sense.

There's no solidity.

If you keep going down on the micro scale,

There is no solidity.

It's all vibration.

And that's what the quantum physics is talking about.

String theory is showing there is no evener looking with these collision,

Particle collision things.

Like they're looking for the smallest particle and as soon as they find one,

It just shows that it's not even,

There's a smaller one.

There's no substance to it because it's all vibration.

So you said something I just want to clarify.

Does light have sound?

Well,

There's something called synesthesia where some people hear a sound and they see light or they hear a sound,

But that's an anomaly of,

It's not very common,

But it's just showing that there is a correlation.

It's just what we are attuned to with the five senses is a very limited bandwidth of the spectrum of creation.

And we just have to realize that.

And part of this spiritual work,

And this is what some of the Rosicrucians and many lineages were,

And Rudolf Steiner as a part of that was saying,

We are at the stage of evolution as a species where we have to actively develop organs of spiritual perception.

And this is because we are ready to kind of move to more advanced stages of our collective evolution and we need to be able to perceive the higher worlds.

And it used to be like we would wait or do these very magical ceremonies to bring down beings from the higher worlds to communicate with us or to appear in the Holy of Holies or whatever.

And this was happening,

But we're at a place right now where we need to learn the tools.

And I consider sound and working with these kind of ancient wisdom frequencies and that kind of thing to actively,

And of course,

Visualization and breath practices to develop these other bodies that exist around us.

We have the physical body,

But we also have astral and etheric and spiritual and different layers of the bodies around us or koshas,

Many different names from different lineages that talk about these bodies.

But we're not mostly aware of them until we die actually.

And then often we're kind of a little bit lost because we're not necessarily prepared for that experience.

We need to get some help there.

And this is,

I can't say for sure,

But that is what I've heard from the spiritual lineages that it's good to learn about your other subtle bodies,

Develop them,

And then be able to navigate this process,

Not only in life,

But then once we move to the next chapter of our soul's journey.

That's what the esoteric school of universal Sufism that I'm a part of teaches.

There's so many things going on in what you say.

You're like the didgeridoo on every level.

It's like it's all happening at once because you also studied science.

And one of the things I'm wanting to do is to show how science is starting to catch on to things that have been known by the ancients for a long time.

So there's actually scientific research on how sound vibration affects brain waves.

And you also have talked about entrainment.

Can you talk a little bit about the science so that we can complete the circle here?

Okay.

Yeah,

This is a really big topic.

And a lot of my CDs,

I actually incorporate binaural beats,

Which we can touch on because that's a part of how the sound therapy actually works and how it affects the brain waves.

So most people at this time are aware that the brain emits frequencies and they can be measured by an EEG and the heart also emits frequencies measured by an EKG and they're much stronger and way more influential to our field than the brain wave.

But like the work of heart math,

They're showing that when we're in the most coherence between our brain waves and our heart waves,

But the heart should be the ruler,

But right now the brain seems to be the ruler for most people,

Just the times we live in,

Especially the Western world and the left side of the brain on top of that.

But there's a coherence that can happen.

And when we are in coherence with the head and the heart frequencies,

We are in the peak experiences,

Not only of all consciousness,

But for anything we choose to do,

Focusing our brain or with people who are in sports,

That's the potential of the human.

The main brainwave patterns in people are beta consciousness is like 14 to 30 Hertz and this is measured in cycles per second frequencies.

Beta is kind of like alertness and cognition,

Or it can also be anxiety though,

But most people like day-to-day walking around are in beta consciousness.

There is something called high beta,

Which is like above 30 Hertz,

But that's a more rare state and that's kind of can be associated with super focus,

But most people are not in high beta,

They're in beta.

And when we calm down,

If we meditate or we go into a more relaxed state,

People go into alpha and that's from eight to 13 Hertz and roughly,

And this is like relaxed focus and increased serotonin production and it's also a good place to meditate and you kind of start to access your unconscious mind.

And then if we go deeper,

Like just let's say we're starting to fall asleep,

Which can happen while you're meditating,

You go into theta and that four to seven Hertz roughly.

And that is when you're just kind of on the edge of like falling to sleep or you can also be awake and having a very deep emotional experience,

But it's kind of more of like a trance state and it's not when we walk around in at all.

And then Delta is when we're sleeping and in deep sleep,

It's beyond a dreaming state.

It's kind of a dreamless state and that's like 0.

1 to 3.

9 Hertz.

And so the reason that we can look at this as Hertz is these are measurable quantities and what we discovered with the principle of entrainment,

Which is something that's going on all the time.

Entrainment is let's say women live together and it's still in their menstrual years.

They will often start to menstruate together at the same cycles.

And this is actually a principle of entrainment on a more biological level,

But entrainment is also in the musical world.

Like you take a tuning fork and you hold it up to another tuning fork of the same frequency it's a sympathetic response or a frequency following response.

It will start the other one resonating.

And I think this relates to empathy and compassion because if we are able to resonate with others on this deep level,

We can actually feel the emotions of others.

And it depends if you're an empath or a highly sensitive person.

So also this principle is used like if a singer hits a certain note and it's the exact frequency of this wine glass,

We've seen this example,

You can shatter it or other substances.

You can use technology to actually do this.

If you know the same,

Rife was doing this with a certain machine and he actually was able to calculate.

Wilhelm Rife was a brilliant Tesla type genius who was working with technology for healing.

And he found that you could find the resonant frequency of a certain kind of bacteria or virus in the body.

And he would create the frequency of that,

Which usually not in the audible range,

And it would just burst their membranes.

So it would basically kill the virus without harming the organism using sound.

So in the Torah with the walls of Jericho,

Maybe they really did come down.

Oh,

Sure.

I'm sure it was an entrainment frequency because they use sound and then they did the shout.

And so there's many examples like this in ancient texts,

Including how did they build the pyramids?

Like,

We still don't know.

We still can't do it today with all our advanced technology.

This is an entrainment.

And it probably has to do with something on that level,

Some kind of connection between consciousness or a group consciousness and knowing the frequency of like stone that they're working with,

A certain kind of stone.

And there are many cultures around the world that say,

Yeah,

We built these great monuments with sound.

It's flat out set.

And then a lot of these great monuments like Teotihuacan,

Mexico,

I mean,

These stone monuments are monolithic.

The Temple of Baalbek,

We still have no idea how they place them so precisely and with that size as a single unit or even move them from the original location,

Still beyond our grasp.

But they say that,

Yeah,

We did it with sound.

I think one of the really interesting things that you said was that the Western mind is locked into a certain way of thinking,

Left brain and very something else.

I forgot what you said,

But it's a very mechanistic way of thinking.

Yeah.

I mean,

It's like what I've noticed and the way that I was.

I mean,

As I became older,

When I was a kid,

I was more,

I can look back and see I was kind of tapped into some interesting worlds.

But as I got older and got entrained to our society,

I realized that we are very head oriented.

Like we center in our head and not just our head,

But the left side of our head,

Like the left brain,

Which is very linear and analytic.

And what I love about music,

And this also ties into entrainment is that when you listen to music or when you play music or even imagine some song.

So if you conjure up a song and you hear it playing in your head,

Maybe a lot of people can do this,

But you can actually hear it.

That is stimulating the entire brain,

All parts of the brain simultaneously.

And what seems to have happened is the coherence of the right and left hemispheres have been somehow who knows what actually happened to make us more cut off from our higher selves.

Music is one of these things that stimulates right and left simultaneously coherence of the brain.

If you look at it on these brain visualizer technologies,

They show that the whole brain is lit up.

And so this is an important factor for higher states of consciousness,

Higher octaves of consciousness and super states of learning and focus.

So the use of music and sound to stimulate the whole brain activity,

Which then ideally is coupled with the heart frequency.

And then we have optimum coherence because even though the brain is important,

It's not the conductor.

It shouldn't be the conductor.

Your heart is meant to be your center.

It's the center of your chakra system,

But it should also be the center of how you go through life.

And so that's my near death experience and my awakening.

That's what I realized is like,

I need to make my heart my ruler.

And I started to study Joseph Campbell and he said,

All of these different cultures around the world have these myths and the hero's journey and all this,

But the basic teaching is follow your heart and your heart is actually,

It actually secretes neurotransmitters,

Just like the brain does.

Actually,

So does your gut.

There's a lot of intelligence out elsewhere in the body,

Like thinking intelligence.

It's just a different kind of thinking.

And so Rudolf Steiner talked about,

You know,

The head and the heart and the Hara or the the abdomen area as those three centers being very important to activate and align and have a balance between them so that we can live our optimal life and actually fulfill our Dharmic path of why we incarnated.

We came for a purpose in this life to learn very certain specific things.

And it is a very challenging realm.

And so I think that this experience we're having right now collectively is pushing us to connect in new ways.

And everyone is the leader and there is no leaders in a way.

I mean,

That's the way I think of it is like,

It's a whole different geometry of how we relate to each other.

And we have to understand that we are never separate.

And so we're always alone.

And yet we are never separate from each other.

We're even connected with other beings in the cosmos and in the solar system and beyond our solar system that we have yet to really understand and work with.

So that's my approach is like,

How do we understand that we don't have to necessarily hug another person or talk with them even or text them to know that we are never separate from them.

And what I think is on the other side of this is what I feel the bigger purpose of my Dharma with working with sound is something I learned the Greeks talked about.

They call it homonia.

And homonia is a concept.

It basically means group mind.

And we can see schools of fish or birds or ants or bees or even herds and animals.

They sometimes often or all the time,

Some of them are behaving as if they're one unified organism.

They understand that even though they're separate beings,

They're working like every cell in our body works for the whole body,

Right?

If it's a healthy body and not cancerous,

Right?

So that's what I think is a potential for either a group of us or the whole planet.

I don't know what scale.

But if we were to lock in to the homonia that the Greek said is the way we can change this reality,

And that's what I think they were doing when they built these ancient monoliths.

They locked into some form of homonia or group mind.

And from that state,

They use their technologies.

I don't know what it looked like in the form of vibrational technology,

But they built these monuments and they did lots of other things that we have forgotten,

But it is still in our capacity to do.

And there's something about this principle of entrainment where we actually can entrain to each other.

We don't have to be in the same room together.

We don't even have to be in the same Zoom call together.

We have to understand that.

And quantum theory is showing this quantum physics that two particles that are separate,

They could be light years away and they're mirroring each other.

There's no separation.

We think of time and space in a certain way,

But it's very limited construct because we're in the third dimension.

And from the higher dimensions,

Like the near-death experience,

You see there is actually no time and everything is part of the one thing.

And if we were to lock into that awareness,

We could build this planet of heaven on earth,

Which I think is our collective Dharma,

Is to make this the most beautiful world possible of our dreams.

It's a world where everybody is happy and healthy and connected to source and we're in harmony with the earth and the Gaian supermind and all the plants.

And we could totally clean up the planet,

Feed everybody,

Make this like a world.

We have all the technology.

We just lack the consciousness.

We lack the entrainment of the collective mind for us to not be this pioneer,

Which is the old system.

It's going away and it had its purpose,

But we are in a new era now.

And that is my vision of what I want to see before I move beyond the earth plane is this fruition of the earth going to the next octave of its evolution.

And that involves us synchronizing,

Working like a beautiful symphony together.

Well,

You are certainly contributing to that with your music.

I feel that when I listen to it.

If our listeners wanted to hear your music or know more about you,

How would they find you?

Probably my website is the best way.

That has my email and contact if they want to ask questions or whatever.

It has a lot of information including all kinds of stuff.

We didn't touch on like the 432 tuning that I'm enthralled with and cymatics.

The movie I did on water.

Worth looking into if they're interested in this topic.

So my website is gaearth.

Com.

So it's Gaia is the old spelling of G-A-E-A is how Gaia used to be spelled in the Greek times.

And then earth is the new word for earth.

So I put them together as one word.

So it's gaearth.

Com.

That's probably the best way to reach me.

Great.

So did you recommend a particular CD where someone wanted to experience the healing power of your music?

Each CD is so different.

And they all like one was designed.

The last one,

Crossing Great Waters was intended to help people transition through the bardos at the time of death.

So or people have used actually for birthing,

Which was an unusual use,

But it's kind of the same thing of my what I've heard feedback.

And some of my other CDs like Gaia Earth Dreaming was like a tribute to animals from around the world.

Some are extinct that I have really good quality recordings of them mixed in with the different instruments I play and nature sounds.

And that was done in a five channel surround sound mix.

Every CD is so different.

So one thing people can do is go and sample.

I did upload all of the CDs onto my website for you know,

You can listen to the individual songs and you can even just buy individual songs.

So that might be the best way people want to check out.

This is so much out there.

I don't know what what to recommend to without talking to the person individually,

You know,

What they might like.

Well,

It sounds like what you would recommend is for them to listen with their heart and let the heart tell them what's going to be most healing.

Yeah,

Because it's always the answer.

Yeah.

Tune into it with our heart.

Well,

Kimba,

This has been fascinating.

And I do hope you all your best in your journeys with your new adventure.

What are you working on right now?

I'm doing some scoring for Gaia.

I'm not working on a CD right now because I am helping with some visioning some new productions that we're going to be working on on Gaia.

So I'll relate it to the topics that we've been touching on.

It's exciting.

Yeah,

So that's yeah,

It's kind of a new chapter in my work.

But I also do trainings and individual sound sessions and stuff when people come into town.

You do healing sessions with music individually for people.

Yes,

Yes.

And I also work with some technologies that are at our clinic Radiance Health.

And that's another one,

My website radiancehealth.

Com has some of the Russian technologies that I work with that are based on bio resonance.

So they're vibrational technologies,

But they are kind of a technology.

But they're for therapeutic purposes,

Scanning the body's system,

Putting in beneficial frequencies.

The Russians are really far out in their technologies,

Very advanced,

Vibratory technologies.

Interesting.

You know,

Can people work with you through zoom or do they need to be in person with you for this sort of thing?

If I'm,

You know,

It's ideal to be in person,

Most of most of where my gift is,

I think is one on one or in small groups in person because of the nature of the instruments that I demonstrate or play or use,

Or any of the therapies that I work with,

I have to be with them.

I sometimes I have done some training on zoom,

You know,

Just more on the intellectual level,

But there's,

There's some limitations to,

You know,

The depth of working with the instruments or having the experience when it's done virtually,

But it's not,

It's not impossible and I have done it.

So,

So next time they're in Boulder,

They should give you a call.

Yeah.

Or,

You know,

Or just,

You know,

Sometimes I just chat with people on the phone and they just have some questions about,

You know,

How to get started on this path if they want to explore it or I'm pretty open.

I kind of follow spirit is how it's happened since 92 is like,

I didn't really have a set way of what I think I am or should be doing.

I just,

The universe usually directs me and so I don't want to put any limitations on like how I'm here to serve.

I just know that I am and whatever form it takes,

I will be shown,

You know,

So.

Well,

It's been delightful talking with you and I so appreciate it and I,

I wish all the best for your,

The animal that you're taking care of.

Yeah.

He's one of my greatest teachers next to the didgeridoo.

Surprisingly,

Big things come in small packages sometimes,

Especially Abbott.

I think we'll end the call with a little more of your didgeridoo playing.

Thank you and so,

So much.

All right.

Blessings to you.

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Everybody.

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