Spiritual Tools For A Better Life

Had an in depth conversation with Rev Reg, Father Carel Piet van Eeden, we talk about the tools of we use to make our life better. We go into what Karma Yoga, Meditation and how to live what you live what you get from meditation.

Transcript

Sat Naam everyone.

I am Reverend Rich and I'm here again for Perspective where we encourage other viewers to put things in perspective because your perspective shapes your reality and today I'm so excited because I have here Dr.

Cindy Palos and Father Carol Eden and it's such an amazing thing because we are covering morning,

Noon and night today for the different time zones around the world and we're gonna talk about In the Hands of God,

Their latest project together and at the same time we're going to do a book launch and a Pray Your Blessing for Dr.

Cindy Palos project,

Spiritful Tools for a Better Life,

Activate Your Awakening and right now it's on Amazon so if any of you are interested to get a puppy I encourage you to do it and for my Filipino followers who are Catholics I highly suggest that you get a puppy.

Honestly,

Father Carol and Dr.

Cindy really helped me appreciate my Catholic roots better because they both helped me understand the metaphysical aspect of my Catholic upbringing.

So Aloha Dr.

Cindy.

Aloha!

It's so beautiful to see you.

Aloha Father!

Two of my favorite people here together.

It's a treat.

I see that feeling.

Sat Naam,

I'm so happy that both of you are here.

It's very refreshing for me.

Especially last week was just holy week and it was very quiet and this week it's so amazing.

On a Friday I have both of you and normally I don't do shows on a Friday because it's kind of my rest day,

My Sabbath day but since I'm with people who are in the spiritual path I was thinking well you know this is going to be my celebration day with both of you.

So congratulations.

Thank you,

Thank you,

Thank you.

Welcome.

I love the in the hands of God.

In particular I really like the angel presence.

I was listening to it earlier and I thought the part Dr.

Cindy where you were talking about getting out of despair and we know that the last year and the last couple of months has been really interesting and it's really going to shake you out of your comfort zone.

If you're not living a life that's coming from a spiritual perspective it's so easy to fall into depression,

It's so easy to think that life is so difficult but your book is actually so amazing because you offer that perspective where people are able to pause and then be able to be in tune with God's power and presence within them through the content of your book.

So please tell us more about it.

Well as you both know I've been meditating every day of my life because I started with Dr.

Paul Masters when I was very young 13 or 14.

You know I actually can't remember if I was 13 or 14 but it was it was a long time ago.

I was just 13 or 14 I was somewhere around there but of course it changed my life and and for some people you know they need something that clicks and I know father found what he needs in his calling and I know you my dear friend Reverend Reg found your calling and you're just following it and when I started meditating that was my calling and I just had this the doors opened up to me I just started reading all the books that Paul suggested and and I couldn't stop reading and this is like when I was a junior in high school or before even so maybe I was in beginning but I you know I just was reading this all and loving it and loving it and loving it and then when I had a very mystical experience an enlightening experience I was only 15 years old but I knew this was my path and I knew just like both of you knew this is my calling at a young age but my path included meditating and after meditation writing down what came to me so over the years so many beautiful messages came in I can't say it's really mine because it really is it really is what's coming through to me when I go into meditation and I write it down and truly sometimes I go back and I would oh isn't that interesting I look at it and going well that was an interesting lesson because most of the messages I get are actually messages that I need to hear so from all of that a lot evolved including now this is my 12th CD the words here actually all came from after meditation and then father was beautiful enough to make music to them and in my book this one all of these this is my symbol this is my symbol if I can get it centered here that triangle here that's my symbol yeah that I had I wear this as a necklace and I designed it when I was only 17 and I wear it every day always since then but what happens with that is those were meditations that I had in the words of meditations and I took them and I I've been a teacher now an insight timer for about three years so I took what had come to me and things that I had learned from Dr.

Masters and even some of the subjects he suggested in some of his books and I turned them into talks so after I've done about 50 of them I decided to pick 30 and take the text and go to scribe II and it takes it's a text changer SCRI be ie.

Com upload all of my talks that were audio talks and make them into text so that then had to be edited quite a bit but that's where this book came from these were teachings from things that came to me that I have felt along the way are important things that have to be integrated into making your life truly a reflection of the way God God works through you long answer huh yeah actually if you know this father Carol and I and my director friend here in the Philippines Nathan de Leon he's also an anchor for another program hi there direct the three of us are actually all ears because we thought listening to you we do appreciate your decades of experience it's so nice for us to actually hear a teacher with that much experience and then have that opportunity to listen to you and I know dr.

Cindy I love that you mentioned the hauling the word calling again because you know when I was younger I only spell that all in thing but I couldn't share that to other people because it felt that other people would find you here because number one it's weird enough that you're gay and another weird thing is for you to feel that you want to be in the service of God in some way but obviously as someone who's part of the LGBTQ community that's difficult to reconcile so please talk about the word calling because honestly I felt that and every now and then a whole league of ours in the International Metaphysical Ministry would bring it up I really feel a strong connection to what they're saying because it's not only with my ministerial work but it's also with the other creative talents and abilities that I have which I feel is a form of calling and that's why I love the part where you talked about karma yoga and the value of work and what we're really bringing to the table every day because I feel that a lot of the things that's happening right now is is happening because we feel disconnected to the spirit we think work is such a mechanical thing but actually work is a form of expression for spirit to express through you I don't know if I'm making sense here oh yeah yeah no I mean you definitely are and and that's one thing I think that's one of the big big big lessons you learn in mysticism and metaphysics is that it's wonderful to be entranced with spirit and to be embraced by God's love and and to love the light I'm a lover of the light I'm a lover of the bliss but part of my work started a long time ago when I started in radio when I was very young I was actually about 23 I started teaching with Dr.

Masters when I was younger than that but I knew that when I had that I was really very very very shy I mean I was so so shy when I was young that if someone came and knocked on the door I would go and hide in the closet in my bedroom I was that shy so I'm going well how do I do what I know God's wanting me to do if I'm so shy well radio happens to be you know you can hide behind the microphone you can talk people don't you don't have to I mean I still talk to people but it's under you know the microphone guys you know so so I knew that that that radio was kind of a good way for me to do my work but at the same time the radio I was doing wasn't like this back then 50 years plus ago this wasn't what I was I had a show called insight about ten years into it but but on the whole the radio I was doing was trying to bring the energy of the highest music I could find in rock and roll and and and speak through that which brings you through a lot of challenges because a lot of it really on the other side was really sex drugs and rock and roll and that really wasn't what I wanted to get into but that's what people perceived it as so when you do karma yoga it's like okay how do you bring your authentic self to something that's so full of illusion and glamour and boy that's a you know that's a real karmic way of green being able to try to be yourself through that you know that's not wearing any robes not wearing any you know particular things but just being your name I'm not using reverend or anything like that but karma yoga it is so powerful because you will learn the lessons without the filters and it'll slap you back in the face if you don't get the lesson and I'll tell you all these years later I mean boy it hasn't gotten easier I'm I'm still learning the lessons and going back to the book and reading the book and going well it sounded pretty easy when I wrote that but but they're really doing all these years later I'm still working on it you know so you gotta love something that lasts a lifetime of teachings right yeah thank you for sharing that you know incidentally my teacher is also watching us hello there are now and I love that you talked about you know it's gonna slap you in the face if you're if you're not in alignment with it because for now that I frequently talk about these things and one of the things that we appreciate about the spirit world path is that you know your accountability for things and because you know your accountability for things you also know you have the capacity to turn things around and it's such an important thing for me because when I read your book I know for myself that no matter what limitations I experienced in the past especially it's so difficult for me in the past not to care about what other people are saying because it became my yardstick for a dog especially for gay people I think father Kyle would agree with me you know it becomes your yardstick for love if people are appreciative of you of your presence because growing up gay you feel somehow that you need to prove something but reading the book made me feel like you know I can't please everyone so I just have to stay in my authentic self and just let the rest flow and especially Dr.

Cindy I know you mentioned this before already it's very difficult to keep your real name in the scene where the glamour is there and then everybody wants to use another name because they feel that will be more appropriate to the mainstream market especially you talked about sex,

Drugs and rock and roll but for me and my teacher are not sex and rock and roll we're fine with that especially with yoga you can let go of the drugs because we know in meditation you can actually get the high that you want true no absolutely absolutely yeah and and and it goes back again you talked about so much there and I think father really could chirp in here a little bit because I mean he's also when we talk about karma yoga and again being yourself I mean father you're you're a wonderful priest and have helped so many people I was talking with Reverend Reg before we started about the metaphysical aspects of Catholicism which you I think are really a perfect embodiment of when I talk to you you have such a beautiful understanding of Catholicism from a mystical aspect of it and I maybe even that maybe I like mysticism even better because there's been some amazing mystical Saints but here you are doing that work in your beautiful authentic gay self without having to even worry about it because you are what you are and people know what you are and it's not even questioned you're just are you and and you're also doing your work during the day and you have your challenges that you face in your work which during this time I mean you're dealing with a lot of stuff in South Africa and the people and they're not treating you any different because you're a minister or your father right I mean I'd love your your karma yoga interpretation so for me one aspect of my life doesn't define me it is not who I love does not define me as a human being and and when I reached that stage everything opened up the Catholicism what I think was my saving grace in that is that I found it only later in life so I didn't grow up with it you know the the frog in the hot water doesn't notice that water is getting hot and a lot of times when when you grow up with a specific religious expression it is almost tepid because you we lose the magic we lose the the sense of wonder and of grace in that and it was a blessing for me to only find Catholicism when I was about 35 so now there's everything that I see I need to research and I need to find out why are we doing this why are we bowing here or kneeling here and in that you rediscover so much or you discover so much and and that is where the beauty comes in you ladies spoke about calling and that I resonate with as well because the the calling is they for everybody everybody is here every single human being is here on a spiritual path that's the only reason why we're here the thing is that many people don't listen so and and you know that I I hope on the word listen always our sculptor it's the first word of the rule of Saint Benedict and we are a Benedict order and it is in that listening becoming still and and your book speaks so much about that about opening up about letting go of the thoughts letting go of your your almost your sense of identity and just being and that's when the messages come and that's when the calling becomes something that you can listen to but that only happens when you reach a stage where you you let go of all these the the the monkey thoughts the monkey brain talking the whole time the monkey chatter and you know what's amazing is you know if you're gonna be out there in the world working as you both are it's not just monkey chatter in your mind it's the monkey chatter of the people around you too and with my case my gosh sometimes there's four or five we have six radio stations on Maui so I mean there's sometimes six radio stations broadcasting in one building that's a lot of noise going on chatter chatter chatter you know but you know I and you put beautiful music to that song I wrote when spirit speaks I listen and that was coming through again after meditation and spirit was speaking you know so even with all the the wind the turmoil at the dust the chatter the stuff that happens in the world even if we can go back to a place where we can allow that magic that mystery that spirit to speak to us and I know all of you do this you take the time for prayer meditation you know and then that light comes through and you listen and and magic happens I mean the the beautiful so the song when spirit speaks I listen I put as the first song on the CD in the hands of God because to me it was actually one that was kind of inspired by you father because you know I bring in that sacrament some of those things and I know with Reverend Reg you you listen to what you have to do you're very busy you're doing a lot of promotion you're doing a lot of stuff there you know and this is you're doing in the Philippines when you're under lockdown you know and you're under curfew you know but it's not stopping you I mean you're you're doing this there with everything else going on for you so I mean in spite of all the other stuff that's going to come up and they're going to we're gonna see waves we're gonna see turmoil we're gonna see stuff but as long as we can let some of that light and love through in the course of the day like I feel her right now with both of you I feel so much love you know that's that's what makes it worthwhile we can come back to that others it's like yeah yeah thank you God you know I mean here we are together thank you God you know yeah by the way speaking of that I think we should share the stream through our Facebook Facebook one so people can see it so now I'm going to the perspective page and I'm going to share it so others can see it too.

I love that we're talking about this because one of the things that's so meaningful to me Dr.

Sinh I want to thank Father Carol by the way because every now and then when I have an issue especially if it's LGBTQ related,

He's my go-to person and there are many times every now and then thank you for acknowledging that Dr.

Sinh yes I do a lot of work and the reason why I do a lot of work is because I feel so connected I love people I love working with people especially when you're able to make sense out of something you're able to stay productive because you're working together towards something or just really having genuine meaningful conversations I really love talking to people just having coffee or having a good meal so I love being out there and I realized that one of the things that I used to take for granted because I did not have the opportunity to experience how valuable that is was realizing what an amazing work a lot of content creators do I didn't realize that until the lockdown and you know the exposure of people to different kinds of limiting information it's it's really gonna get somebody depressed if you just watch the news the whole day and you're not offered tools to actually move forward or how to rise above it and that's why I love getting content like what you have this moon time here in my face out there because during this time it's one of the big times in our case where people are watching and it's something that's so important to me because the three of us know we understand the value of nourishing your mind nourishing your spirit and nourishing your emotions and the only way you can nourish that is number one with the music that the two of you made I think a lot of people are going to agree that we need more of that right now it was my golden hour food this morning it's my spiritual nourishment this morning and at the same time another thing that I want to share because here in the Philippines for example like what father carol brought up earlier the concept of the monkey brain since here in my country it's very rare that people meditate normally those who meditate are part of the very few people who actually have a spiritual practice it's a very small percentage I don't think we're even 5% of the population who follow suit so the concept of the monkey brain is not fully understood and another thing that you mentioned doctors it's not just your monkey brain but the monkey brain of the other surrounding you so please explain more about it so that our audience can catch up especially if they don't have any knowledge of metaphysics well meditation for me of course has changed my life has been one of the keys and I know as a meditator all my life it's it's always my way to go within and connect with my soul and spirit and with God yet the problem is sometimes now meditation has been broken down into so many different meanings that sometimes now when you say meditation there's people taking different meanings of that word even and one person may think of when we say meditation one person may think it's one thing you know there's a lot of mindfulness practice that's actually becoming predominant right now which is fine I mean I'm as doctor as father coral people and Eden knows I've studied Zen and and and I'm a Buddhist I took my Zen precepts in 1986 so yes I understand Buddhism but for me again starting and going back to my roots mysticism is going within and connecting to your inner self and from your inner self connecting to God and that sounds intimidating so I don't even like to say that because if someone's starting up and what do you mean you're gonna go within and connect to God but truly if you just sit still and remember what it feels like if you were sitting watching a sunset or watching a beautiful sunrise or sitting in church when there was that feeling of magic that came over you that feeling of grace if you're just still and breathing and allowing yourself to be still and know that inner part of you something will happen and it doesn't have to be difficult it doesn't have to be different at all people have had mystical experiences just listening to music people have mystical experiences seeing a rainbow people have mystical experiences sometimes watching a movie you know it doesn't have to be foreign is what I'm trying to say and everyone should not be afraid of the word meditation because it's as natural as going to sleep and waking up and and and and you know it's it's it's part of us it's just that part of us that we haven't taken time to slow down and maybe be aware of it's always there with us as part of our consciousness you know but when we slow down and go within and if we just breathe and we just take time to be still and go within and if you just allow yourself to open up enough to feel the energy that's present and feel that presence there's this amazing thing that happens and it's not one person special because they got it you know it's for everyone you know it's just gonna happen in different ways you may experience it one way Reverend Regent I know father you experience it in others right definitely and that is one of the most important things is that everybody will experience it differently and oftentimes the challenge is when we go onto what we call the spiritual path and we become academics and you know I get excited it's beautiful with the precepts that you took and Cindy I'm on that road now myself in our order to become a monk you have to study Zen which is quite beautiful to you but now when I meditate and they said I feel something in my pituitary gland I go out and I share it and I forget that that's not the way that other people necessarily would feel an opening up of something and and sometimes really become too much academic and and and try and identify something that should just be experienced you know in schools they're teaching children meditation now and they're teaching yoga and and it's beautiful because you know you go back to the beauty of a child now innocent a child is and they don't go through thinking about that they're just in that natural state you know and that's why I think Jesus really loved truly loved children and he always said be ye as children because children had that beautiful innocence that they're just like oh this is it this is this is me this is God this is it there's no difference like you said reverend there's no separation you know it's just there Thank you for sharing that with Father Kyle and Dr.

Cindy and right now I have Michael and Jay and he was saying I can resonate with whatever Dr.

Cindy is sharing Thank you.

You're welcome.

Jay and Nathan you have another guest You can have either Dr.

Cindy or Father Karel.

You can have them on the show I'm not sure what times not to have right now but anyway going back to what both of you were saying because the three of us we can easily relate to each other for some people for example like what Dr.

Cindy was mentioning earlier we just want to go to that space of neutrality where you're just aware of the information that's really coming to you or what you have that's present at the moment but then another thing that I want to pull from what Dr.

Cindy wrote from the book is that you know it's nice to be mindful but there's a very different experience when you understand that you're meditating because you want to connect to God's power and presence within you and I want to share the practical aspect of it I'm not sure what Father Karel or Dr.

Cindy has to say about this but one of my teachers was mentioning you know if you're just mindful about information because you're energetically sensitive because one of the things that meditation will do to you is to make you more sensitive to your surroundings so your senses get tightened but that doesn't mean it's going to work for your highest good because if the collective energy is geared towards the negative even if you don't have personal problems of your own at that time because energy can be transferred and you are there you are so mindful of your surroundings you end up being the one who experiences a lot of problems in the process and I know that and I love the value of it because Father Karel and I talked about it before and I know Dr.

Cindy with your decades of experience you will have more to share about it because after those episodes in my life I realized the practical value of what you were saying in your book it's not enough that you're mindful you need to have God the higher power to back you up so that even if you're energetically sensitive because in meditation your senses will get tightened but you will also get affected if you're not strong enough to just be and not take in on what's happening around you please explain more about it Well there's many levels to what you said and I'm going to take it first from the level you said about that kind of basically is something I've realized for a long time as you become more and more sensitive and you get more and more attuned to higher vibrations I believe you become more empathic and there are many empaths now who are experiencing and absorbing the energy around them and I think I've actually I've thought about doing a book on just that because you have to really be very careful of your energy field and we know when we go into meditation typically we put light around ourselves and every night and every morning I put white light and I turn myself over to God and I call on that light to always be there to protect me but still it's an impact you will and I can easily absorb things and I have a hard time being around a lot of negative energy even if it's on TV or a movie I can pick it up but look at Jesus Christ I think sometimes what if you said well I don't want to be going just 2000 years ago look at me I don't want to be around that I don't want to be around those people I wouldn't blame him I wouldn't want to be around some of the things he had to go around and he knew what I really believe as a master an enlightened master one of the highest he knew what he was coming into he was very aware and very aware of the darkness and despair that he was coming into so what if we said well I don't want to be around negative energy I'm not coming in to save the world what would happen right?

So you know I mean we have to look at okay what's the greater good here you know and I know you go through this and both of you do you know being sensitive and being gay and everything you know that there's issues that are going to come up but that's not going to stop you from doing your work because you know that's what you're here to do right at some point you realize well this is the playing field some part of me knew when I came in there was going to be this playing field I don't know if we knew about what would be happening this last year with COVID-19 I sometimes wonder if I signed up for that but at the same time I created some of these last two books my book and my CD this last year with the help of people like Father you know because we know when things get tough the going gets tough we have to we're being called again we're being called to do more because there's more need for people in the tough times in the tough times we're more needed than ever to share our light and love and that's what our purpose is so at some point you have to give up your own ego and say okay God you're in control I can't deal with this anymore it's up to you whatever you want and I'll give up I surrender God you're in control yeah thank you for sharing that with me and Ashad I want to thank Father Garrett because last night I was coming from a very limited space I needed some comfort and he was there and that's why I'm so glad that Facebook is around during this season I can't imagine going through this pandemic without it and at the same time here's a comment from Jay before we continue he was saying for me it is not enough to be mindful we don't stop at the intellectual understanding of mindfulness we allow mindfulness to be translated into our everyday actions in other words we allow our lives to be transformed every day becomes an ongoing commitment for conversion beautiful statements very very wise thank you Jay that's perfect I agree 100% and mindfulness has a place I'm not putting down mindfulness because many people are doing that and that's part of Zen and it's part of Buddhism and I have experienced that in Buddhism to a degree but at the same time I know that in having been in that Zen like place all of Zen of some people really have this desire for enlightenment but if you're enlightened then where does mindfulness even come in there's no mindfulness in enlightenment I'm sorry it's nothingness there's nothingness and in the nothingness there's everything so the mindfulness is fine you know to get you to where you want to be an enlightened and be in that spirit beyond all of that stuff so there's a place for it we never want to put down other ways of practice and I don't mean to except there's more there's more yes thank you for sharing that Dr.

Cindy and Father Carol what are your thoughts about it because it's a very tough job if you're a minister in a community and one of the things that I learned from you especially when the going gets tough for me is going back to what you said about you know we go through situations which are tough because as ministers that's where God expects you to be you know you're planted there for a reason especially with the community development especially like what Dr.

Cindy was saying earlier as openly gay ministers both of us there's a different challenge for us you know reconciling faith and oneness with God having a personal relationship with God and then realizing that so there's so many things we need to address and speak about there firstly if we go right back one of the things that I forgot to mention and that I think your audience needs to hear is that prayer is a form of meditation and that there we link to all the Catholics and all the Christians who are scared to hear the word meditation that prayer is meditation and that's going within and waiting for God and that's a different translation of zen so that's the one thing then as ministers I think we are focused on raising our vibration we become we try and be light beings and higher light beings and in that we are then of course calling more darkness into our lives and that is exactly what happened with Jesus he was such a light being that all the darkness had to come to him and he knew what he was in for and in that we then need to look at how we can cleanse ourselves and the meditation is beautiful there are beautiful rituals you can do I take an epsom salt bath at least once a week and in that you physically clear all of the gunk of other people and of yourself from your energy field and that is something that's really really important is to cleanse ourselves in such ways as well and then to see water if you are a rock in the river and all the challenges not only the challenges again if we go into the concept of saying there is no good nor bad it just all is and you then need to decide is this me or is this not me and go deeper into who am I but if you visualize yourself as being a rock in the water and all the things of other people just flows past you will still get wet but it doesn't stick to you that's a beautiful image for me Two of you we can mention God sparingly and it's not an issue because apparently with my co-ministers in other parts of the world they refrain from using God in the topic and in fact one of our co-ministers and I am Eftov,

You know when people talk about God in our case it was like a 15 years ago topic so to them it's really about higher power,

Consciousness,

The subconscious mind and the patterns of behavior that's what the majority of the community find more acceptable to discuss compared to talking about God and it was really a surprise to me because if I don't mention God in the Philippines and then I talk about mysticism and things like that people would think that you have satanic practices Oh gosh,

This is such a huge important subject I'm glad you brought it up because being a teacher on Insight Timer I follow everyone else and what was popular and what's not and even through the University of Metaphysics and the Facebook site it's always interesting for me to see and anything even I post on my own Facebook site I know that some people really don't want to listen to what I have to say on Insight Timer if I bring up God if God is there it's like oh no please and I even have comments you should not be talking like this,

This is Christian,

Don't call this a meditation so it's interesting some people even think if you say it's a meditation they think that it's not a meditation if you bring God into it that's really the state,

I mean it's evolved to a weird state where people think well meditation isn't about God and I'm saying there's a lot of people out there that get upset that God is mentioned and I know I probably have so many more listeners and so many more people following if I didn't bring up God but at the same time if I didn't bring up God what a lie that would be to myself and to the love I have of God,

I mean the problem that bothers me the most is people don't understand what beautiful energy God has and how much love,

Compassion,

Forgiveness,

Understanding I mean if they could just for a minute feel the love that God is there wouldn't be this problem but there's such this problem with the word that they can't get past it to experience when I experience God I experience more love than I've ever experienced any time before in my life when I merge with God it's transforming,

It's so beautiful,

It's so powerful it's so amazing that it's beyond words and so that's why my life's been dedicated to try to put words to it because you can't do it right but yet here people go well gosh why are you talking about God so much and they get turned off by it so it's like well do I just drop that part of it do I just not talk about God because it's going to turn you off I don't know,

What do you think Father,

What do you do?

I think many people are caught in the concept that God is an every old white man sitting in the clouds judging you and that is the unfortunate thing that happened in the Christian community where the focus was on sin,

The concept of sin and on retribution and many people are hurting and those reactions are from people who are hurting so many people are ostracized by their churches,

The places where they're supposed to be safe and where they're supposed to be surrounded in the love of God that they build up resistance and then it becomes a family thing we have whole communities who then turn their backs on God and because of one group who unfortunately changed the focus of God and they are very vocal and they are very prevalent in the country or in the world and they forget that Christianity is only one expression,

One translation of God Christianity is not God Allah,

I mean all the religions have a form of it and some people forget,

They say in Buddhism there's no God but if you really go to read what the Dalai Lama said he actually admits yes there is a God but it's a different word in the definition of how you experience it but again you're not going to hear him talk about that very much it took me a long time to dig to find out in Google where he didn't say that but because he's a smart man,

He will talk about happiness you'll find many more times where he talks about happiness than he talks about God and again I don't want to be,

Oh gosh,

I don't like to be feeling like I have to preach it because that turns people off too but it's what I feel like I have to express because I love it so much so how can you not talk about,

Even Rumi talked about his beloved,

His love that was his love of his union with God all the people who have experienced union with God have experienced this cosmic consciousness,

This enlightenment that is this passion all the different teachers who have gone to that point you'll find they talk about that love whether it's,

I don't want to get my head chopped off but Mohammed or whether it's Krishna,

They're going to talk about their love of that and then the way it gets translated by the religion,

That's another thing and thank God you,

Father,

Have found a group that allows you to express it so perfectly and beautifully and thank you,

Reverend Reg,

For finding a way that you can understand it and fearlessly talk about it in a country that might not understand exactly what you're talking about Exactly,

And it's so funny because one time I was hosting a show and you know how the show would of course make a disclaimer about the show the views and opinions of the host is not the same as that of the station so initially it was like that and then I moved from the producers of the show so now it was evolving up to the last part where it had the same views and opinions of the talk show host it's not the same of the.

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So anyway,

I actually find it an important growth experience for me because once I understood the way God is when I listen to Dr.

Cindy Palos,

Dr.

Masters,

Or the way Dr.

Catherine Ponder talks about God I feel so liberated by the experience and I'm no longer concerned whether or not it's going to turn off other people because one time a friend of mine and I were talking and we were both in the spiritual path and she was saying,

Because when you talk about devotion,

Especially devotion of your time,

Your talent,

And your treasure it sounds so evangelical,

She was saying and then I was telling her,

You know what,

To me,

Whether there's a term for it or not whether you call it evangelical or not,

For me it's just about my passion for it because for me,

If you don't have a strong feeling about something you're never going to achieve your full potential I have seen for myself that you can be in the middle of a problematic situation but you're very passionate,

You're very enthusiastic about it and your drive for it will never waver and even the challenge has just become an enjoyable adventure compared to when you don't have a strong resonance for whatever it is that you're doing right now or for whatever it is that you're an advocate of,

You're never going to succeed in that and you won't even enjoy the growth processes that you experience and to me,

It's so important because Father Caron and Dr.

Singhi,

For example I think it's so important,

And I've reconciled this for myself to be surrounded by friends,

By teachers who are really living their truth in such a way that they're fearless about it because it's so limiting when you're surrounded by people who split their energy where they're saying something and they don't back it up with their conviction and their actions and I know if you just remain consistent about it,

You're going to draw to yourself the right people so I'm happy that both of you actually embody it in your own lives where you back up your words with actions because there's a growing respect from your students and your followers from it I don't think respect is such a limited word,

I think it keeps growing and growing over time especially when students and followers of you understand the defined popsicle that you had to go through to be able to get to the place where you are today because honestly for me,

That's one of my biggest motivations for moving every day so can you please tell us more about it?

Where do you get that drive?

Because it's not easy to deal with other people,

Especially if they have a total opposite view of what you're saying Well,

I think it's a little different probably in my profession than it is Father's because I am not in the position of being a minister during my work day I'm a DJ,

I'm an announcer,

I do radio sales but at least half of my time is spent in meditation and I also go back and do my writing and I think that really what's important is also can people respect you in both aspects?

We talked about karma yoga earlier,

How is your life an inspiration to people even if it has nothing to do with them knowing you do what I do like which is write books and write music and do CDs basically it comes down to the Christian principles,

The principles of any that is the kindness and can you be kind still?

Can you hear in a way we say aloha,

Can you share aloha?

Can you be compassionate when times get tough?

I think that really you up the ante as you get along on the path and you get tested I think you do get tested and I think we've been going,

I know I've been going through some testing times and can you still hold your focus and hold your goal and stick to your purpose when it gets tough?

And it will,

That's when the proof is in the pudding,

That's when you really go okay can I still do this and be the kind of person that's a good person still?

And that goes so deep,

It goes with what I talk about in the book is harmlessness that goes with so many things that you have to go back to the basics to live it and I know we talk about practical mysticism so many times because it doesn't necessarily matter what you say,

It sometimes really matters more what you do On that,

For me one of the biggest challenges that I like to focus on is to tell my truth and translate it in different ways that people can understand and it is not my job to change people's minds,

It is my job to live my life and if somebody gains something from that wherein they can grow,

Then that is beautiful but that is not the focus,

My focus is God and then everything else flows from that and a lot of times I think we want to stand and we want to shout our message and shouting doesn't work,

It is firstly having the respect for the other person to respect where they are and to respect their truth and to share your truth then with them if they want to listen,

Not in a way to want to change them but when spirit takes over,

You can't help but share from your heart and when you do that,

It is never a way or never with the idea of converting them because you are just sharing,

Whatever happens after that is up to them and that is a very important thing,

We are not here to necessarily change people's minds we are here to change their lives and Reverend Sundeep,

Through your book you share so many practical things that I hope will change people's lives what I loved about it is the fact that when you go through it,

Again it is not an academic exercise it is experiences that you have shared from your heart and you share how it changed you and how it changed your life and how you used it or implemented it into your life and there was no way that I got that you said you have to do this Well we have all learned this and I have to say first of all,

And I know you know this Reverend Reg Father you have this compassionate understanding,

Beautiful sense of listening that you have learned that when some people talk to you,

They can go to you for counseling in such a wonderful way that you really expressed understanding in a way I don't really see a lot of people able to do and again,

Isn't this what we are saying,

If you can just have that beautiful gift where people can go like you did Reverend Reg,

You called him because you wanted to talk to him about something well what a wonderful counselor this is,

Where you can go to someone and know that they can listen and understand and even sometimes just by listening give you that answer you need just because they understand Now the same thing happens in our lives if we are turning our lives really over to God our life has become our own learning field,

I believe we are here to learn and if our life,

And I have lived quite a long life so far,

If our life is for learning we have learned a lot of lessons and many times the hard way I mean truthfully the lessons that are the good lessons usually come the hard way because they will bounce off us a lot of times if it is the easy way we can learn to ignore a lot of stuff that isn't there unless it becomes a little so much that we have to face it face to face and then we go okay,

Alright you got my attention now,

Okay what am I supposed to do now and that is when you can turn to someone like Father and you can also turn to someone like God within and you either get it or you will do the Groundhog Day movie thing,

You just go over and over and over and over until you go oh okay I can get a little better at this,

I can get a little better at this and our lives really do go by fast,

I mean now I am at the point in my life where I have lived a long time and there is so much more to learn and I don't know how much more time I have here,

It could be any time and I have a lot of friends who are passing on and it goes fast,

This life goes really really fast so we have got to make the most of what we can learn while we are here and I do think the path of God and living that lesson that we are here for,

The daily lessons,

That is what is so important and can change our lives and that is what I put in the books,

Just stuff I got from living every day,

Many many years of it and still so much more,

Still so much more than I have to get done,

Oh my God what I have to do still But thank you for sharing that Dr.

Singhi because he keeps saying you have been here for such a long time but you look so young so it kind of antagonizes what you are saying but anyway I love what Father Carol mentioned earlier It's true we are not here to convert anyone,

You know every time I find someone who is turning into someone who is argumentative I realize that it's actually them trying to validate their own belief system and getting me to help them get into the zone where they are comfortable and accept the universal truth that I am getting across but it's really not for me,

It's really for them,

Especially for a lot of gay people when they talk about God and that we are all made in the image and likeness of God You know what's mattering is how good a person you are,

How much you help,

How much you love If you are a loving person who cares,

I am sorry I think we really have to get past that,

I don't care at all what your sexual preferences are I mean it doesn't matter to me but it does bother me if people have to feel hurt and if they have to feel guilty and if they can be bullied or put down,

I mean that's just bad when people are hurting other people We all know it's not right to put down other people for what they believe So as far as the way you should feel about yourself,

I mean you are both amazing people I mean you are beautiful examples of beautiful,

Loving,

Beautiful people,

I mean God loves you both so much,

It doesn't matter what sexual preference you have Thank you for sharing that Dr.

Cindy but you know honestly for me since I have been single for almost a year now It's just funny because last February it was Valentine's Day and I had to cover for a lesbian love team and I was just telling myself you know here I am on a Sunday,

It's Valentine's Day,

I'm working,

I'm covering a topic for the LGBTQ and honestly if you're gonna think about it,

It shouldn't really be my concern that time because I'm not with anyone Yes Father Gary If I can add something on that,

When we do weddings,

Same sex unions in South Africa The ceremony that I use that was given to me by my Bishop comes from a 16th century same sex union Wow Oh wow So before all the bad happened,

It was good And that is something that we need to also maybe acknowledge is that we are not moving into something new We are moving into what was before a group of people decided this is not what we want in our political agenda We're returning to our roots rather than breaking new ground and that to me,

You spoke about the ancestors That is honouring both the ancestors who were persecuted but also the beauty of the love that had been shared many many years before that Yes,

Thank you for that and it was such a nice film,

They were both teachers and they were both gracious readers So it was just so amazing for me and then anyway that's for another topic But I want to thank Dr.

Shigve for writing the book because honestly for me at my age right now Of course I don't want to just consume content just for the sake of getting me occupied You know social media is so easy to just scroll on your feed But knowing what we know in metaphysics,

It's not enough that you just fill your mind with content just for the sake of not getting bored Because we know how powerful it is to consume content,

It can make you or break you And in the case of Dr.

Singiv Palas' book,

I feel so refreshed I feel so encouraged every day and it's not like every day you're not going to go through something that's disappointing I also go through my periods of testing but when you have a book like that,

It gives you a space where I can tell myself You know what,

I'm going to take a pause and I'm just going to hover a chapter for now And then I'm going to drink coffee,

I'm going to say a little prayer and then move on So thank you Dr.

Singiv for doing that