Unscripted - Origin

Unscripted is a word association conversation exploring the big conversations that really matter. Join us as Niamh and I follow the word trail inspired by "Origin". We travel far and wide looking at life from many perspectives in this episode exploring where we have come from and where we are heading. Niamh Cronin is an International Speaker, Storyteller, Transformational Coach, Founder of Attuneme ™ and Vibrational Artist.

Transcript

Welcome to Unscripted,

Conversations exploring where we've come from and where we are going.

We begin with a single word and we go wherever it takes us.

There's no agenda,

There's no script,

Just the passion to share the conversations that matter.

Today I am following the word trail with Niamh Pronin.

Niamh,

Welcome.

Thank you so much Polly,

It's such an honour and a privilege to be here and it's so exciting what you're creating.

I'm just delighted to be a part of it.

I'm so thrilled you're part of it.

Do you want to tell us a little bit about who you are and what matters to you in life?

Yeah sure,

And I know this is often the hardest question to answer but for the purpose of everyone listening,

My name is Niamh,

I'm from Ireland.

I've been working in the transformational industry I guess you could say for the last six years and I primarily,

You know,

My work is really to ignite remembrance in others and to really call them back to their true nature and to awaken aspects of themselves so they can start to connect to their true human potential.

This is something that lights my heart up so much and I've spent the last couple of years,

You know,

Travelling to different parts of the world on my own quest to understand more about our human origins and I guess the truth of who we are and spend time with different indigenous cultures and I'm on that path of retrace footsteps through many different sacred sites around the world and I'm still on that path and I guess bringing others on that journey with me.

That's amazing,

You can really feel the energy of what you've been bringing to that and exploring through it and your word is?

Origin Which is very obviously very fitting so what does origin mean to you?

So this word is something,

It has actually many different meanings for me and I guess the word ari and the Latin word ari means to rise,

To rise from the root and it's also you know our ari are orienting points so it's almost like our fixed point in a spinning world and origin for me is really not necessarily the return to our roots or our remembrance but it's allowing that remembrance to rise from who we are,

To rise through us and I guess you know that our roots is you know the roots of our own remembrance,

Who we are,

The roots of our own purpose,

Meaning in life and also the roots you know that we are rooted in nature and that we are nature and to really anchor and start to tangibly experience that in our lives again.

That's so so funny because the roots thing is for me it's a concept that just keeps coming up again and again and again but not so much as about as a going down but as you say it is about arising from the roots and coming up from within you know it's sort of like feeling that sense of bringing something up through you because you are so anchored into the earth.

Yes and that's so funny because that's exactly what I've been thinking about and feeling a lot recently so that concept of rising is powerful.

It is powerful I think that a lot of people are experiencing so much turbulence,

It can be perceived as turbulence,

So much is shifting and changing and I think that there is a lot rising in all sorts of collective,

There's a lot of things rising to the surface and whether that's our collective shadows but also you know there's some amazing and beautiful things happening in the world at the same time so we're definitely seeing the rise of a lot of things coming to the surface both within us and in the world because we're now expanding our awareness and ability to be able to see more of what has been playing out.

So up until now we have been perceiving life as a collective through a very limited spectrum or a narrow bandwidth and I think things are rising to the surface now whether that is good,

Perceived good or bad so that we can see and this is I guess you know it's been a theme for me,

It's been a theme for a lot of my clients but also I think for many of us there is a lot stirring and there's a lot rising from the earth and from the planet because she is really transforming and shifting now as we know with what's happening in the solar system right now.

There's definitely that sense of communication that it feels that there is a very strong communication coming through us to actually understand the level of our interconnectedness.

We've become so disconnected from the we see ourselves as living upon the earth rather than being a part of it.

Yes.

And that seems to me I wonder whether or not there's so much now happening in the political spheres we're seeing that in such a different light now what you were saying about things coming into our awareness that I think not that long ago politics in particular was everything was underneath the surface we weren't aware of it and now it's coming into play in front of all of us.

It's being played out on social media as well and perhaps that is something that we need to is part of the whole process as well of becoming more aware of what's going on.

For me even these types of conversations it was only maybe six or seven years ago I was working in the corporate world and I guess very much living day to day living in the rat race working nine to five.

I went through I was 26 years of age and I just went through a massive I collapsed I ended up in hospital for two weeks with heart issues and I guess this was like my wake up call you know there was and during that period it was like a light switch went on and I started to feel and sense and experience life totally from a new perspective and I guess you could say I could sense and I could feel things and it was like as if I went through this massive expansion and awakening.

So even you know some of these conversations are even being aware of this awakening process or what's happening on the planet right now seems so alien to me and yet in that moment I could feel and see through all the layers of illusion that in some ways are part of the human experience but it was almost like I could see for the very first time and I think you know fast forward six years later I think a lot of people are going through that right now I think people are eyes are starting to open I'm having conversations like even with my parents with people who you know may not have seen or known or have been feeling have been feeling it it's starting to bubble underneath the surface and yeah it is interesting I've been I've been reflecting a lot on how our collective consciousness is shifting and how we're witnessing that because it's on the face of it there's still this mass momentum of the way it's always been but underneath that there is this I don't know if it's a willingness or just a shift in the way that we see and perceive certain things so that even all of those and sort of like that ancestral beliefs they're shaking out because I mean as you said you mentioned you had the conversations with your parents I mean I certainly find it easier now to have these conversations with mine because they some of those patterns of thought that were very prevalent when I was growing up it's all of a sudden they're not relevant anymore yeah this is it's fascinating experience but as you say so important to feel rooted when you are going through that because it is the most well you were you were in hospital for two weeks it's a destructive can be very destructive form of awareness coming into awareness I mean yeah it's it was actually recently I just spent some time in Maui in Hawaii and for me that was such a coming home for me I've always felt connected to the Hawaiian Islands and for me after I went through that spontaneous awakening many years ago I started feeling and connecting to this really ancient remembrance that I didn't have a reference point for you know I was trying to read books and you know study these different spiritual ideologies and teachings to see if I could find the reference point and you know even to this day I don't think I have found anything that came close to describing what I could feel inside and that feeling and that knowing was that there is an ancient memory within all of us as human beings and that memory contains the truth of our origins the source upon which we came from and it contains the memory of the capacity that we have to live and breathe and connect and access infinite amounts of information and my memory has always been of this place of deep connection with the purity of the earth and connection to the earth and the cosmos and there is no separation and so this remembrance took me back to ancient Mu which is supposedly in mythology you know one of the first civilizations to exist on this planet when life was seeded on this planet now again this is mythology and you know we all have to really use our own awareness to dissect and extract meaning from these stories but ancient Mu supposedly was the landmass that is now under the Pacific Ocean that spreads all across the Pacific Ocean to parts of America so on the west coast of America and down into South America and supposedly the Hawaiian Islands are the tips of the mountains are the last remnants of these ancient lands it also spreads across to Byron Bay which you know synchronistically I spent you know three or four years living there in Australia and Easter Island and you may know this and many people listening may know this but there's going to spend time on these lands you know it was like this ancient remembrance of even a pre you know pre-Lumeria pre-Mu memory and we don't need to be attached to that story was there this place and did that land sink beneath the oceans and was there a flood and all of these things but I think it's there is a resurrection of a memory of the blueprint of who we are as human beings that surpasses any ideology any teaching any any attempt that human beings have have made to describe who we are as human beings our ability how our body functions even when it comes to spirituality and accessing our energy fields and and all of these different teachings for me it feels still limited and for me there's this awareness that's bleeding through me right now that's so familiar and it's so raw and it's so innate and there's a gap this is a huge gap from what I'm seeing and what's in the world and there's pieces there's elements of resonance that I can extract but there's this huge gap and I'm talking to so many people and lots of people are coming into my field and they're feeling it too and this is like it feels like the organic the rawness of the earth is rising through us and it's just piercing through the veil of these deep programs this is what you're saying it's like the programs that have kept us attached to to to perceiving reality in a limited way it's just piercing through those cords and those veils and I did I did meet with someone there his name is Keoni and he derives from I guess a lineage of people that derive from ancient moo and their wisdom has been kept secret and even in the time of Capu where this wisdom was banned and it was shunned the women in his lineage kept this wisdom sacred and they passed it down through the female line and he is the first male in his in this lineage to now express this knowledge and wisdom and they said that when that would happen it would be the sign of the Hana which is the awakening the quickening they call it and this wisdom that he shares and speaks he's the first person that I've met that has for me reflected or put words to this remembrance that that I'm holding and he he talks about so in his culture they believe that the ferns are the only plants that have survived every cataclysm on the planet so we've been going through these cycles for hundreds and thousands of years on this planet and she's been moving through her expansion and contraction and growth but these ferns are the only supposedly in their culture that have survived all these cataclysms and they contain our true memory is what they believe and they believe that aloha which is source true source integrated love which is who we are was fragmented into different human emotions so that we in the human body could assimilate aloha assimilate love and that these ferns actually contain the memory of our true emotional intelligence and so this was so profound for me because I've been working with people for many years now and even created my own expression of my work called attune me which is to integrate or you know synthesize our human fragmented human intelligence and memory in the body and to do that through attunement so this was fascinating for me I'm I'm sharing this because one I just trust that as I'm sharing it but also there is a resurrection of something so familiar and it's asking us in some ways to be okay with surrendering or putting to one side our own dogmas our own ideologies on how we've seen the world seen ourselves just be willing to to be open like open our peripheral vision like even more like take off the lens like I'm wearing glasses right now like taking them off for a moment and just like being like in our innocence again be like a child and to just start to explore life because later is coming alive at a whole new level and we get to be curious now and one thing he did share is is that so which is so fascinating because he talks about the black hole which is you know as a concept that that's really been coming through my artworks recently and this idea is that when we do reconcile and heal these deep layers of trauma that we're holding both personal trauma ancestral familial collective or even original trauma when when we fell into this slumber that we're in right now when we when we start to reconcile those traumas he talks about like entering this black hole it's called the data collapse where we're literally the ties that bind us to a limited dimensional reality or that bind us to time and space linear time and space of the illusion of linear time start to collapse and that's interesting because he shared that the other day in his Instagram and I had actually been experiencing this myself because as I do this deeper work and reconciling this deeper trauma particularly as I go to these different parts of the world and the work I'm doing and and sometimes I I invite others to come with me but the work that we do is is really about reconciling our original trauma because all trauma will stem from from that the the trauma of separation from source the moment we fell into scarcity because we forgot that we were everything that we were seeking we forgot we were nature we forgot we were abundance we forgot that we were creation itself yes it's interesting isn't it that that's that remembrance of what is a phenomenal level of power in our limited perception as we see it now I mean it's in it it's innate within all of us but within our limited perception that's huge power and we have been programmed and conditioned to be very scared of that so there's it's not just resolving the trauma it's resolving the fear to go there that makes sense it's that strikes me as a huge thing and the thing that's been playing out for me in relation to what you were saying there about this the fragments every is is how utterly critical it is that everybody remembers their part it's that remembers that they are part of the whole but that they that when you were talking about there's lots of bits you're getting you're getting a bit of resonance here and a bit of resonance there but it's there's there's nothing that you were being able to it's too fragmented the whole picture is too fragmented it's like it's because it's it's a bit like a crochet at the moment it's like there's bits there but then there's there's holes in everything and it's as we remember individually who we are and what piece of the puzzle we have as each of us comes in the picture fills in more and more yeah and so important for each of us to remember who that deep remembrance of who we are and I know what you I do know what you mean about that that the the depth of that knowing that it transcends any thoughts it transcends any emotions it is just structural basically it is integral to your form beyond DNA as well it's it's yeah hard to hard to put words to it yes so so yeah we've got so the awakening process is actually very difficult when there isn't that that there's there's no there's you as you say you traveled the world a lot on your own because sometimes there isn't anyone else to help you with it she's kinda kind of kind of it's a brave time that we are in we need a lot of courage I think a lot of courage and I think we are on our own but we're not on our own you know like this this piece I think you know as you were speaking you know what you were saying that as everyone gets that or comes into their own remembrance and seeks their own clarity the picture will start to fit together and I think it's like as you were saying that I just saw the image of you know when your eyes are closed and I'm short-sighted so when I open my eyes or before it you know that you know when you open your eyes slowly and it's blurry and then everything starts to come into focus more and more and it's almost like the out picture right now is blurry but the in picture like that when we close our eyes and we really allow ourselves to be present and go inward and be in our hearts it can become so clear and then we open our eyes or we go back out into the inside world and everything's fuzzy and confusing and chaotic and we're not seeing what we're feeling inside and we feel like there's this huge gap there's this huge dissonance and then we fall into mistrust we fall into doubt and those seeds of doubt right now we need to become really present and really aware when they're creeping in because that doubt is keeping is the separation from allowing the in picture to become the out picture.

The more and I'm just seeing this from myself I could feel like in Maui I haven't even shared my experience yet because it was so deep and so profound but in short it was I was receiving so much clarity I could see when I say see it was like internally I could see at a whole new level and equally at the same time I experienced levels of doubt that I don't think I've ever experienced before and I was consciously able to sit with the energy of doubt and it was almost like I had to become one with that energy and its creation and its manifestation and then over the course of six weeks sit with where this doubt where I'm holding doubt with internally where I'm holding it in my body in my memory in my beliefs in in my behaviors in my interactions with others and then tracing that energy and seeing how that energy is manifest in our outer world and and and and really and truly experience experiencing why it exists and what its purpose is on all levels and I think as we're on this path of awakening we need to trust more than ever and as we expand our internal vision we begin to see I guess this distortion subtle distortion but it won't be in from a place of that's bad or or there won't be a charge against it but seeing a play out consciously and you know everything has a positive intended outcome for us when we're looking at this evolutionary cycle that's just something that I've come to know within myself and I always say take what you need and leave the rest I never feel like putting any beliefs on anyone else but I feel like this particular experience doubt can creep in externally or externally from you know what we watch on TV the stories that were told opinions of others projections of others but sometimes when doubt creeps in internally it's really important for us to sit with that and some ways it can actually be calling us forward to be in deeper discernment yeah absolutely but I do think I think it's really what struck me when you were talking is that that as you saying the dissonance between the inner and the outer worlds and is the ability to express translates and allow that knowing to move through you because we otherwise it's almost like this this powerlessness we have because we have this this knowing inside and then outside it's like well where do I even start with that because it's just there's so much to contend with and is it still there's some degree of is it safe for me to to address that and what can I say or what can I do and how and then we have the likes of people like Greta Thunberg who are actually showing us that it is totally and utterly possible to address this inner knowing to this outer reality as you say at the moment there is that dissonance that is is again comes back to if we're not rooted we don't know don't allow our origin to be rooted we're going to feel so lost and powerless that we won't actually take that step forward into that next reality it's it's it's almost that we all are being called into our being creators again and you know like in some ways if we cannot see what we're feeling or what we're knowing inside in the outside world then that's a sign that we're here to create that we're here to and see even agrees it's a she and she does seem to be agreeing there you go nature always knows right always affirms um but yeah that you know that this is you know I really feel it's a time for action it's a time for becoming so resilient in our own energy and and I've never spent more and more time in words really feeling and allowing the emotions of what I'm feeling to come alive in me and to really feel this remembrance to become me so that then when I move out into the world and I take action I'm allowing for that energy to create what I want to see in the world and it's it's I guess shifting the focus again where is our focal point if we are focusing you know what where we focus our you know the thing where we focus our energy yeah it expands and I get it you know for many years I focused my energy on what wasn't working and what was wrong and about all horrible things that are happening in the planet and all the the shadow that's coming to light you know if we focus on that and not on the antidote the antidote is what's coming alive in us um and yeah you know it's very easy it's easy for us to talk about it and I think we we tend to talk about these concepts a lot but the real work is in the being and the doing and that's where my focus has been you know this past 12 months is pulling myself back from all the distractions and going deep into where I I'm facilitating the shadow yes absolutely we have such a responsibility now to actually embody as you say that energy you have to hold that energy um to bring it forward but to actually find a way to embody it and share it broadcast it um just allow it to to come from within within into that because that that is out into the world is how people will experience it and and and be able to deal with their own shadow deal with their own um stories and programming and all the rest of it in order to be able to step forward and say okay yeah I I I I will listen to that knowing I will listen to that voice that's been inside that that sensation and it is more sensation isn't it it's much more about the body is the receptor the body is communicating with us and when it comes to creating anything it is our means of creation it is whether we are speaking or moving writing whatever it is our tool of creation that's why we've got it and as you say it's a time it's a very busy time of creation so where do you think where do you think we are going what do you think no I'm not asking you to sort of think to to to forecast exactly but what what do you think we can expect to see hmm if that's a really it's a really good question it's really big one too and you know I'll just attempt to share I guess what I'm feeling in this present moment and that may shift and change um for me I I feel like many are feeling this already and some are coming into that awareness is there's a standing still and that we're beginning to experience time is not non-linear and that how we've been doing things and how we've been taking action eventually is going to slowly come to a standstill and people are going to get really frustrated because things that how they used to create money or how they used to do business or how we used to control our environment no longer works because our realities are shifting and timelines are integrating and when I mean timelines is that you know this idea that we're in this human body and this body really is the access point to be able to access feel and sense many different layers of reality in this vessel so in this body and our awareness is expanding so we're beginning to feel more so as the frequency of the earth is increasing so too is our frequency which means our container is expanding and we're beginning to feel more in our field people are experiencing extreme heightened sense of anxiety and people are starting to feel and sense more things like you know we even spoke few days ringing in the ears heightened sense of anxiety and depression everything is starting to be felt and there can come with that a sense of chaos a sense of lack of control this is I'm just going to say the word the epoch this is the epoch it's like this is the standing still this is the moment that we have to be in the chaos because we have been living through we've been in a psychosis as a collective because we've been trying to control something that cannot be controlled and we've created it's almost like we've been living in this petri dish in this controlled environment and in this yeah it's almost like we forgot that we were part of this this experiment and now what has attempted to control our our psyche our environment and the collective no longer can limit what's within that petri dish because that petri and this I don't know where this analogy is coming from but that that organism is is evolving and it's becoming more and more sophisticated it's becoming more and more aware of itself and it has outgrown the parameters of what has been controlling it and this in this is internally as well and we have to face off with that and we have to be in we have to be in and be okay with that we cannot control something that is so infinite because when we sync with that we will begin to experience our limitlessness and that integration process is going to be huge for a lot of people it's been happening steadily for many of us and some people are awakening and they're awakening in harmony with their nervous system because they they have their souls have chosen that and then other people it will come as a surprise and there may be some turbulent times to come because the structures that have manifested as control will be going through their own process of of destruction and destruction is not necessarily a bad thing but you know for in in nature there's a natural destruction and creative process to everything exactly and we the structures that we have we can't build the new by rearranging the pieces of the old it ain't gonna work so we've got to there has got to be a process if you say of destruction in order to re-destruct re-struct reconstruct recreate in in line with with where we need to go so it's it's yeah I would agree with you that I think there's going to be some fairly turbulent times both for individuals and potentially collectively as we rediscover our balance but what about you what's what what comes next for you for me I feel that I have I'm really entering into I guess some really deep clarity and awareness around my own work and how I want to and not necessarily even work it's for me it's stepping into how I wish to express myself both personally in my relationships but also with others and with with the world and and that is calm as a huge surprise because it has really had me look at my work and how I'm expressing my journey and sharing my story of remembrance and and how I wish to do that with the world and I guess again you know we're so used to we can find our purpose and find our meaning and and then we try to express that through old or limited structures or ways in which other people have done that in this way therefore it must work and therefore that's probably the only way I can share and express myself and so you know I've really put myself in the coach mentor box and have been sharing my work you know online through that those you know those platforms and in those ways and it's I've really yeah I've really come to realize that in its in its in itself it's it's limiting how I can express this remembrance and it's calling me to express it uniquely and in a way that hasn't been done before and I think many of us are being called to do that and it's really calling me to step into being an artist and to really share this work through my art and in so many really exciting ways so that for me feels it feels so free because when we are in our creativity we are in touch with the divine and when I am expressing myself through that in that way there are no limits there are no rules there are no expectations and it really is you know picking up the paintbrush whether that's you know through my speaking my writing my artwork you know even when I'm working with people is letting the divine flow through me versus me trying to control how that wants to be expressed so just just letting the paintbrush move so I'm practicing that in all aspects of my business it's been a very slow snail paced journey and that's been that's tested me usually and about a year ago I completely stopped everything I was doing even to the point where the revenue stopped coming in I let everything come to a standstill and that was huge for me particularly because I had a deep fear around money and survival and I really had to face off that with that because you know that's probably a whole other podcast in itself is like the the survival wound because I had to go deep into the survival wound because we cannot birth what we want to birth and create in the world until we reconcile this survival wound because otherwise we're just creating to survive in this world and we're still operating within the control system I was talking about exactly that earlier on today about how we are so contained for example within this realms of business we're so contained by the idea of what numbers we are generating whether that's money or audience sizes or anything that we are actually limiting any possible way of creating from a place of as you say from a place of true divine creation because we're creating from a place of necessity and we are inherently creative but there is a difference between creativity and creation and we need to actually move from a state of as you say about the expression move from the state of creativity into practical expression to create anything and if we can find that flow where it comes from that place of true divine creativity then we give ourselves permission to break the rules,

Rewrite our lives,

Rewrite our stories and actually not limit ourselves by putting a title or a box around what we do.

I love how you just articulated that and I think it's important to also remember that for me I don't have all the answers it doesn't mean that everything's going smoothly and oh it's amazing and this way is the way I'm not saying that at all we need to find our own way and we're going to probably like every 10 steps we take we might take 10 steps that don't work until we experience what does and what just frees us up even more and there isn't one path.

We're actually a friend of mine Rebecca Dawson actually she said to me she's like we're creating multi-directionally now multi-dimensionally so we're not actually just creating one particular timeline we're actually creating and our energy is being drawn into many different things and in many different directions because we're not creating as we used to A to B right so there is no map for this and this is the thing this is like it is it's like the curiosity of being an arch-pile like nature is like we're literally stepping forward like with a blindfold and we're trying to figure out what is going to make me feel more expansive and more free and how can I feel more of what I feel in here and experience it out here so it is it's very new and it's very different and I'm still in that and I you know maybe we will always be in that moving forward but for me once you I think you know the Jim Carrey you know my soul is not contained within us it's gone but it's like we can't contain something that is so limitless in a container that is limiting and once we've kind of popped out of that I feel our only way is to begin exploring for ourselves and be so transparent and authentic about sharing that journey with others because we will begin to reflect you know your experience what you're experiencing will be a reflection for me and vice versa and there'll be more so we're like creating new reference points of what's possible rather than yeah it's like we are the new reference points we're becoming the new reference points versus us looking back to the past or what has been created we are it I don't even know if that's making sense right now but it it's funny isn't it how stuff can make absolutely coming back to that what you're saying though about that inner knowing is like when people say it's like it makes total sense no idea why it makes total sense but it makes total sense and I find that myself having those conversations quite a lot to go yeah yeah I just know that's true I understand that that's true but then I really mustn't overthink it because if I start to think it then that's when I will just deconstruct it because it just is which is a huge is a huge thing when we have been in this very intellectual and mental world for such a long period of time to learn to just know and to accept something is is is huge it's a huge part of coming back to where we started from which is your true nature we've really over complicated ourselves yeah there was this one thing I want to touch on because it's just been a huge part of my journey on this subject you know about moving out and creating anew in this way is that there can be a shadow to that too that I feel I've just come out of and again just being able to see where I've been facilitating that shadow myself is that we for me I've discovered that we despite what we're feeling inside is different and unique we still have to meet it with action and that's going to create the momentum and I think it can be so confusing when you begin to come into this knowing and there can be a resistance to what is already in place but we my experience is becoming one with the structures in place and to be able to use that as a platform to build upon versus tearing it all down shutting it all out we do need to build on where we are right now and I and that has just been something that has been used in my own journey and just even being in a lot of spiritual communities I actually found myself having to just retreat and pull back because every community is drawn together and supports a particular set of belief systems and we're drawn to particular groups because we have similar beliefs but when those beliefs become limiting they can also limit our perception and I was finding that and again this is just my personal journey that there's so many want to do good in the world and we can sit around and talk about these concepts but that the shadows sometimes can be that we're still in resistance to working with the banks working with money yes I know they are not at the frequency or they are not operating and with the same values or intentions as we are right now but how can we bring love to that how can we even circulate our money that we're creating with what we're doing that is infused with so much love and so much purity and so much into the banks in through the banks in through the channels and I have a friend in Australia and she used to say she used to send the love virus through these systems like almost because we need what we have now and we also need to be taking action and I think it's important that we have that balance and know that once we are clear and once our vision is our hours are pointed inwards and we're creating from that space that yeah we will never be part of the problem we will be the antidote.

Yes yes that's and that's what we need to all aspire to that's a that's a powerful and very powerful thought to to sit with to be the antidote.

Thank you so much Niamh it's been an absolute joy to talk to you.

Thank you.

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Thank you thank you so much for having me.

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Fascinating!! Hope for more chars between the two of you. 🥰