Transcending Linearity - Unraveling Shaltazar

In this episode of Unraveling Shaltazar, Mark asks Jeffrey about the Shaltazar message Now Here which addresses how the linear mind holds us apart from the present moment. Because communication with the invisible world can only occur in our Now Here moments, we must learn to release the mind and transcend its linearity in order to be present in the Now Here and to thus become aware of the answers and guidance the invisible world is offering but we are otherwise unconscious of.

Transcript

Hello spiritual seekers!

Welcome to another episode of the Unraveling Shaltazar Podcast featuring me,

Mark Lane,

Spiritual seeker,

Writer,

Along with the mouthpiece of Shaltazar,

My good friend and co-conspirator Jeffrey Eisen.

For those of you who may be unfamiliar,

Jeffrey is a Toronto-based spiritual life coach,

Energy-intuitive teacher,

And channeler of a spiritual entity who goes by the name Shaltazar.

With the help and support of Shaltazar's cosmic wisdom,

It is Jeffrey's mission to assist in shifting the consciousness of our planet.

It is my pleasure to assist Jeffrey in making this marvelous wisdom available to the largest possible audience and to unravel it in an understandable and comprehensible way.

Good afternoon,

Everybody.

This is the second episode of the podcast Unraveling Shaltazar.

I'm here with my good friend and co-conspirator and collaborator Jeffrey Eisen.

Welcome,

Jeffrey.

Mark,

Thank you again.

I really enjoyed doing our first introductory episode of this new series and I'm looking forward to what you're going to throw at me today.

Sure.

Well,

Yeah,

I'm excited to get underway here.

So the Shaltazar message that I picked for today's episode is called Now Here.

It was recorded back in 2017,

According to your liner notes during a full moon,

So probably had some interesting energy attached to it.

And the part of the message that I wanted to direct you to and to have you discuss today is,

In the second paragraph,

It says,

You see is the mind that gives you the impression that time is linear.

Past leads to present and present leads to future.

But when you drop the mind,

You also drop the linearity.

The concept of time is unknown to that part of you that feels.

It is the thinking mind that creates the discomfort of agitation,

Anticipation,

Expectation,

Etc.

We are not saying that you will not experience these sensations.

We are merely saying that the discomfort of them comes from your mind,

From your beliefs.

And we've had a couple of conversations lately.

The other podcast we do,

Dissecting the Wisdom of Shaltazar,

We kind of got on a time discussion during our last episode.

And so I thought this was maybe kind of an appropriate conversation to have on unraveling,

Because this speaks directly to that whole idea of time and linearity.

Yeah,

Yeah,

It sure does.

And certainly the present moment is not a new concept in spirituality.

I think Eckhart Tolle was someone that really spoke very well to that in The Power of Now.

But no matter how much we discuss the present moment,

It is a difficult concept,

Because we often listen to these discussions,

We read the books from the mind,

Which as Shaltazar pointed out,

Is where the linearity is.

And so how do we transcend that time?

How do we transcend our attachment to that time when we are thinking human beings?

And I believe what Shaltazar would say is that we need to let go of the mind.

And in our last episode,

As you said,

We've been talking a lot about time.

And I encourage people to listen to the Dissecting the Wisdom of Shaltazar series,

As well as this one.

One thing that came up was sleep time.

And I think sleep time is a really great example of although we don't realize it,

We're in the present moment.

And even trying to be in the present moment takes your focus away from the present moment and brings you back to the mind.

So there's a lot of paradoxes in this situation of time.

You pretty well have to let go of the mind,

You have to let go of the linearity,

And you have to just be here now.

And I believe that's the message,

The name of the message.

It's here now or now here.

And I think it's really important for us not to think about it,

But to just release it.

It's sort of similar to when people ask me,

How do I feel more?

And I say,

Well,

You don't really have to focus on feeling more.

You just have to stop thinking and connect to the feeling because the feeling is always there.

So the present moment is always there.

It's just the mind that takes us away from the present moment.

Right.

And is that,

I mean,

In your opinion,

Is that why meditation is so breath focused?

Because breath is,

Concentrating on the breath is a way of detaching from the thinking part and just,

It's purely bodily,

Right?

It brings you back to the moment within your body,

I guess.

Right.

I think the Buddhists would call it the anchor.

You have to kind of have that anchor to get out of the mind.

I remember,

You know,

When I began my journey,

I went to a meditation teacher and one of the hints that she taught me was to begin to count and just breathe and count.

And it didn't matter what number you got to when you realized that the mind was coming in with a thought,

You just let go of the thought and started counting again.

And so it's the same concept as the breath.

These are all techniques to get us out of the mind.

And you raise a really interesting point.

If we jump right to the insight that Shaltazar is talking about,

Which is focusing on the now here,

We won't be able to do it very effectively from our mind.

So like there's a step one to the present moment and that is releasing the mind,

Just letting go of everything.

And so if we right here now closed our eyes and took a deep breath,

We would stop thinking about what we're talking about,

What we're presenting.

Let's do it just to sort of see what it feels like for us.

So we can maybe explain that.

So let's just close our eyes and take a deep breath.

One more time.

Okay.

Now,

What did you experience in that?

A feeling of settling.

I know that when we have these conversations,

I get excited and I get kind of amped up and that little exercise diffused that energy and kind of brought me back to a place of center.

Yeah.

Interesting.

What I experienced is I put my hands up on the top of my desk and as I took a deep breath,

I felt my hand touching the desk and I felt my feet touching the floor because I'm not wearing any shoes.

I'm just in my socking feet.

And so it was really interesting.

The first breath was simply those extremities,

The hand because the only other than my seat sitting on the chair,

The things that are touching the earth,

The ground are my feet and my hands.

And so the first time there was a total focusing or awareness of the hands and the feet.

And the second time I took a deep breath,

I was focusing more on my lungs and my stomach area,

Feeling the breath come in and out.

Okay.

So what have we hopefully explained that what Shaltazar is trying to tell us is by allowing yourself to come to the here now,

There are things that you would notice,

Things that you would be aware of that you wouldn't normally be if you're in that thinking mind.

So I believe that Shaltazar is not telling us to focus on the here now or the present moment just for the sake of doing it,

But so that we will see things,

Feel things,

Hear things,

Sense things in a much more profound way than we could if we're in our mind off into the past or the future.

And you have to understand,

Even though we're having a reasonably mindful conversation,

As I'm talking,

You're probably moving ahead thinking about,

Okay,

What's the next question I might ask?

And I'm certainly saying,

Okay,

What's next going to come out of my mouth to try and explain this insight.

So even though that future is like a few moments away,

I'm still not nearly as present focused as I was when we took our deep breath and I felt my hands on the desk and my feet on the floor.

And so,

And I think the other thing that comes up for me in this,

Shaltazar often encourages us to get in touch with our feelings.

And the only way to get in touch with our feelings,

I truly believe,

Is to stop the thinking.

So if I would have stayed or you would have stayed in that timeless moment or in that moment that's focusing on the now here,

And you actually did,

You described the feeling of peace that you had.

Whereas when you were talking,

The opposite of the excitement that maybe you had wasn't as prevalent,

Was it?

Because you're busy talking,

Right?

So just that stopping and moving to the present moment,

To the now here,

Allows you to connect to your feelings in a better way,

In a more self-aware way.

And Shaltazar has said often that feelings are truth.

So by going to the now here,

There's this other benefit of connecting to truth.

Sure.

Which is kind of neat.

And do you,

So as I'm listening to you,

Do you equate that feeling of truth,

The idea of perhaps divine guidance and intuition,

They all kind of sound similar to what you just described.

Did you see them all kind of as different names of the same thing?

Yes.

Or are they different from each other?

Well,

I believe they're all the same thing.

When it comes to truth,

And we've done some interesting series,

It's interesting.

It just reminds me of how much we've done.

And I do hope that the listeners appreciate because Mark and I just love sharing this stuff with the listeners.

But the truth that I'm talking about,

That present moment is really a connection to beyond the human realm,

Beyond the four dimensions,

Beyond your physicality.

And that's where I believe,

Certainly in these very difficult,

Challenging,

Troubling times,

We can get through it.

We can get through it by transcending and moving to a higher wisdom.

Again,

When it comes to truth,

Shaltazar says that all truth on planet Earth is relative.

So if you want a higher truth,

If you want more of an absolute truth,

If you want a divine truth,

You kind of have to get it in that now here moment.

You won't get it other than that.

And I think there's an ulterior motive.

Although they're trying to get us to focus on the now here,

It is because they know that that's where life will be easier for us.

In those now here mindful moments,

The answers come to us in a different way.

It reminds me of the message seeking answers in a different way,

Where they're saying you don't have to be responsible for both asking the questions and coming up with the answers.

There is a universal mindfield out there that is very willing to hand you the answers.

But again,

You can only get them in the now here moment.

So I think this message is talking about spending more time in the present moment,

Not just for the sake of it,

But for the results,

The better results,

The better life that you can live.

That peace of mind came to you in just a moment.

I mean,

What we did was,

I don't know,

I didn't measure it,

But it was probably less than a minute.

I would think,

Yeah,

Maybe 30 seconds at most.

Yeah.

Right.

And so in that 30 seconds,

We noticed a shift.

So can you imagine if you set your timer on your smartphone for every hour for one to two minutes,

Just to come back to that now here moment,

How you would be able to regulate your energy vibration,

That you would be able to regulate your body's homeostasis,

The anxiety would disappear for one moment.

And I think that's really important that if you don't do something for stress,

Anxiety,

Frustration,

If you don't use the techniques,

And meditation is certainly one of them,

I think what we're talking about is just peeling the layers back on meditation.

Meditation is about getting you in that now here moment.

Mm-hmm.

Kind of like hitting the proverbial pause button just for a minute and stopping all the outside interference and just coming back to within for a little while.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Kind of like that idea of setting a timer.

I may actually try that and see what that's like because especially during the day with everything going on,

I agree.

Everything in our environment is pulling us out of that present moment.

And like you said,

It sounds like you're saying that we can't really necessarily force ourselves back into it.

We have to surrender to it.

Is that an accurate statement?

Right.

Yes,

Absolutely.

And your comments raise an interesting point,

And that is the dilemma that a lot of people face even when it comes to meditation.

It's fine when the timer is set for that now here moment.

But unless you let go of the control the mind has over you,

The mind's going to talk you out of not doing it.

I was talking to someone about a meditation app there.

It's another meditation app.

I think there's lots of them,

And I think it's amazing.

I think Insight Timer is one of the best,

And you and I would agree on that.

But what they were saying is that people tend to get into the meditation practice when they have a crisis in their life.

And then when the meditation helps the crisis and the crisis dissipates,

They stop the practice until the next crisis.

And so I think the idea of setting the timer for a now here pause or a now here moment once an hour is great until you're having a really good day,

And then you say,

Well,

I don't need it.

And then the next day is not so great,

But your mind has already talked you out of it.

And Shaltazar uses the term transcending the mind,

Which is I think a softer way.

You're not going to beat your mind into submission.

I think in a very loving way,

You have to nurture and encourage your mind to let go so that you can move to this now here moment,

Which is really much more of a sensory experience.

I think that's really,

Really important.

You can't fight your mind into submission.

This is really all about,

And Shaltazar talks about it,

It's really creating a new power sharing agreement between the head and the heart.

And so the now here moment exists in the heart,

And the future in the past tends to be very prevalent in the mind.

And if the mind is operating 80 or 90% of the time,

Then you're missing out on that journey of life.

And so what Shaltazar is encouraging us to do is shift that power balance a little bit.

So maybe 30,

40,

50% of the time,

You're really stopping and smelling the roses.

You're really tapping into how you're feeling.

You're really having access to the intuition and the sixth sense and the truth and all of those things.

And what's really important to realize is that what Shaltazar is telling us as we take a particular message,

It's,

I mean,

Our linearity in our mind wants to be able to unravel a particular message or a particular quote.

But this body of wisdom is meant to be taken in its totality.

And so it's really important to realize that it's not just this now here,

This now here then relates to feelings,

Then that relates to truth,

Then that relates to all kinds of other insights that Shaltazar is talking about.

And I think they give it to us in more of a piecemeal way,

Because that's how we can handle it.

But the idea,

The idea I truly believe if people are willing to take the time and listen to these messages and listen to our series,

This one unraveling and also dissecting the wisdom,

You start to get a totality of it.

And it's really kind of neat because last week,

Just before the full moon and as the full moon came upon us,

I was getting this sense of a totality of my shift of consciousness more than I ever did before.

It was like,

It was like all of the lessons,

The lessons of surrender and self love and self worth and impatience and all of those lessons were starting to come at me all at once.

And it felt amazing.

It didn't feel,

It didn't feel frightening.

It just,

It felt like I was taking all of everything that I've learned and I was starting to integrate it in a very orderly fashion within my consciousness.

And so that's what this is all about.

And so it's important to realize that now here in the concept of present moment is just one of the steps to a more enlightened ascended life while here in human form.

Perfect.

Well said.

As you were saying that,

I envisioned the wisdom as a blanket and each message as a thread in that blanket.

So you can pull them out and you can look at them individually but when they're incorporated in the blanket,

It's one cohesive thing.

We're working hard to understand ourselves and to help other people to understand.

So I thank you for that explanation.

Yeah,

Yeah.

As you were thinking,

I was also going one step further and those people that would do like a tapestry with little squares,

I forget what it's called,

Those people that,

Yeah,

Right,

A quilt.

And each square is sort of a picture or a different color and that's one of the insights.

And individually,

You could sort of stare at that little piece of the quilt just like the thread but together it makes this beautiful,

Warm,

Loving blanket.

And so thank you for that image.

As we continue to embark on this series of unraveling Shalt Azar,

You're going to be bringing forth those little pieces of the quilt.

We're going to unravel them and hopefully the listeners are going to be able to put it all together in this very supportive,

Loving,

Nurturing quilt.

Right,

Exactly.

And I know we're getting to the end of our time but we do want to encourage the listeners that are familiar with the material or that have perhaps read or listened to a message and maybe have a question about it to send you those questions and then we'll make those topics of future podcasts.

Absolutely,

Absolutely.

Please do so.

Mark,

You're doing a great job looking through the messages to find things that we can unravel but we're here to serve the listeners.

We're here to serve humanity and so we would love to hear from you.

What are your questions?

Have you ever listened to one of the messages of Shalt Azar?

Have one of those insights really kind of boggled you a little bit?

Please send it in and Mark will ask that question of me.

Yep,

Be happy to.

Well,

Thank you,

Jeffrey.

Thank you for taking the time and for engaging in the conversation as always and we'll look forward to what the next episode brings.

Thank you so much.

You've transitioned into the role of host fantastically.

I'm extremely impressed.

I think it's really kind of neat and I will tell you listeners,

It's really amazing the serendipitousness of Mark and I coming together and doing so much work together.

Your soul mate,

Your friend,

Your collaborator as you call it,

Co-conspirator,

They're out there.

Find them because what we're doing is so much fun and so enjoyable.

So thank you Mark for doing this with me.

You're welcome.

I enjoy it.

Thank you.

Bye-bye everyone.

Goodbye everybody.

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