Tamanna C: Evolving Into 5D Consciousness

Tamanna C explores the shift into 5D consciousness and the importance of soul evolution. A lifelong psychic and healer, she discusses how karma is energy that can be balanced through consciousness rather than pain. She explains the Akashic Records as a blueprint of the soul’s journey across lifetimes. Tamanna warns of modern distractions that hinder our spiritual potential and emphasizes that every individual has the capacity to reach enlightenment by upgrading their mental and energetic systems to match Earth’s rising frequency.

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When I see things,

I see spirits,

I see the future,

I see the past.

These are experiences,

These are timelines that I'm seeing.

We move the frequency of the earth,

Shifted to what we call a 4D.

And now we are living in a 5D consciousness.

4D is not only about space-time,

It's also about your mind.

And now in the 5D,

We are living in the space,

The time,

The mind,

And the energy and the consciousness dimension.

Our purpose is to convert consciousness into matter.

We are all light beings.

We all have the potential to be like Shiva,

To be like Christ,

Or to be like Buddha.

But there are dark forces that do not want humans to reach that highest potential.

Our consciousness is moving towards Satyug,

But our body is still stuck in Kalyug.

On a soul level,

When we embody all these frequencies,

Boom,

That's when enlightenment happens.

You asked God a question,

Can you tell us what question you asked him?

Even my closest friends while growing up in school and college didn't really know that I was a psychic.

And also that I think personally for me was a very grounding factor because I was never given that special treatment.

Whatever my spiritual journey was,

Was only shared between my master,

Me,

And my mother.

Because my mother was extremely instrumental in giving me a plethora of topics to deep dive into.

I was introduced to Osho by the time I was 10,

11.

I remember back in the day,

We used to have these Osho cassettes.

Back in the day,

Osho handwritten books that used to be printed because back then in the 1990s,

India was not only big on publications and spiritual books and self-help books,

Right?

So I had access to that and I grew up with reading Laws of the Spirit world.

And I'm not sure if you've heard or read about that book.

No,

Feel free to tell us now.

It's a beautiful book and I think for a lot of Indians and I think that's been a stepping stone for them to dwell into spirituality.

So just to kind of divert,

Laws of the Spirit world was written by this lady called Mrs.

Khursheed Bhavnaguri and she'd lost both her sons in a car accident.

And they started communicating to her and they started channeling and that's where she started auto-writing and they completely channeled the entire book of what exactly was happening in the spiritual realm.

What are the laws?

What are the rules?

What is death?

What is life after death?

What do souls do?

Hell,

Heaven,

Different realms.

So that was the first book and that book was handed over to me when I was nine.

And I still remember it was an A4 size,

Spiral bound,

Handwritten version of it because it came into publication much,

Much later.

And when I read that book,

I could start connecting with those spirits.

I could start connecting with the sun.

It activated something within you.

It activated something and you know,

I started auto-writing and then when my mother saw that and I would tell mom that,

You know,

I'm seeing Wispy and Ratta.

Wispy and Ratta are the two sons who passed away.

And since I was in Bombay,

Mrs.

Bhavnakri was in Bombay,

My mom fixed up an appointment and I've had,

I've been blessed to meet her.

So under her guidance,

I learned auto-writing.

Yeah.

So,

You know,

So it was,

And these are things I don't even think my father was,

Because he was,

You know,

A businessman,

Leaving home at nine,

Coming back at eight.

So no one really,

You know,

Spoke about these things,

Right?

So for me,

It was a blessing that I kind of got a lot of spiritual grounding.

I was very blessed that I was not deprived because of my age,

Because,

You know,

I had the opportunity to learn Reiki under the first Reiki master in India.

He was also the professor in World School of Psychic Healing.

He was also the one who was one of the co-founders of Landmark Forum in India,

Which later on became a huge transformational program.

So I truly feel blessed that I had that anchoring from masters in different spaces,

You know,

From the late Debu Ghosh,

Who was my master,

Mrs.

Khurshid Bhavnakri.

And then very early on in life,

I did the Silva Mind Control course.

Osho was my go-to.

Back in the day,

It was cassette.

And then,

Of course,

As I grew older,

It was books that were available to me.

So I think,

You know,

Because this world psychic was not very usual,

People had not heard.

People had not heard that word till 2010,

2009.

In 2009,

When I decided to take this up professionally,

Amrit,

I would not introduce myself as a psychic.

I would introduce myself as an angel therapist from a branding perspective so that it's a lot more softer on the ear,

You know.

And even then,

People,

I literally have had people tu bhooton se baat karti hai.

Like,

Do you speak to spirits?

Or do you do black magic?

Or does the spirit enter your body?

Does your face change?

Do you kind of,

Does your head rotate 360?

But people have those kind of perceptions.

And it was very,

Very,

Very,

You know,

It was very difficult for me because,

Again,

When you come up,

When you come out of the closet in any way,

There's a lot of judgment,

You know.

And while these gifts were given to me,

My physical neurological body didn't have the maturity to handle it,

You know.

So as my Ma says,

She's also a life coach,

And as she says that,

What really happened for me was my top three chakras were completely awakened,

You know.

My heart,

My throat,

My third eye,

My crown chakra was running over time,

Was functioning over time.

But my lower chakras were still of that age of what my body age,

What my biological age was.

So there was an extreme imbalance,

And it was difficult,

But now times are changing.

You know,

I don't need to,

I don't even,

Now I tell people I'm a psychic,

And I don't need to explain what I do.

You know what I mean?

Can you take the time to define psychic?

Because I really was very,

Like,

Yeah,

Your definition of psychic really speaks to me.

Can you explain it please in the world relative to psychiatry,

Psychic,

Like,

Yeah,

Can you bring us into your worldview in terms of where you see a psychic?

So the word psyche is basically,

It means soul in Greek.

And as we talk about the term soul,

A soul is multidimensional.

We are not,

You know,

Singular,

We are multidimensional.

We have the body,

We have a mind,

We have our emotions,

And then we have a spirit or what we call the soul.

Now a psychiatrist basically reads or dwells or studies the mind system.

So the neurological part of it.

A psychotherapist reads the emotional aspect of your human existence.

A psychic reads the soul aspect of the human existence.

So when I'm reading the soul energy,

I am reading the physical,

Mental,

Emotional,

The soul's journey.

It could be past lives,

It could be imprints that they're carrying from past lives.

It's everything that is imprinted on that soul,

I'm picking it up.

It could be coming from the mother's womb.

It could be some experience that they had when they were six years old,

16 years old,

30 years old.

How those traumas have created a dent in their spirit energy.

So I pick that up.

And with psychic,

Like with me particularly,

I also not only pick up soul energy that are in human form,

I also tap into souls that are not in human form,

Which means souls in the spiritual world or the astral realm.

It's interesting because you also mentioned that people that are living at this particular moment in time would have at least incarnated or had lived 500 lifetimes before this particular lifetime that they're living.

So I wanted to find out more about,

Just the maturity of where we are as a species at the moment and in terms of how much work we've put in and just what it means to have lived so many lifetimes at this particular moment in time.

And also,

I think,

I wanted a second part to that question just to squeeze it in,

Which is like indigo children,

Because some people say there are these indigo children which come through with no karma,

Apparently.

And as an Indian,

I found it very difficult to be like,

How can anybody escape the laws of karma?

So yeah,

I just wanted to ask you those,

Yeah.

So on the soul level right now,

Of course,

We are all old souls and our soul age can be anything varying from 200 lifetimes to 500 lifetimes to many,

Many more.

Now,

On a soul level,

We carry a lot of wisdom,

We carry a lot of experiences.

But what happens is,

All the experiences,

All the situations that was actually supposed to teach us,

Something that we were supposed to rise above,

Something that we were supposed to learn from,

Amrit,

We've allowed those situations to become our baggage.

Doesn't make sense.

Yeah,

It does.

So,

Yeah.

So what has happened is,

We were sent on earth to embody wisdom.

We were sent on earth to convert wisdom into matter.

And that's what our soul's journey is.

But what has happened is,

Instead of collecting wisdom,

You've collected garbage,

You've collected anger,

You've collected bitterness,

You've collected emotional fatigue,

You've collected negative karma,

Attachments,

More maya,

You know what I mean?

And that's why with every decade,

With every century,

The pain,

The sufferings for human existence keeps getting worse.

It's interesting because there are certain practices that you can do that can help you work with your karma.

You can't,

I mean,

I think this is an important mature conversation to be had here about,

You can't just avoid your karma.

I mean,

There are some people that espouse,

You know,

You can just do a practice and your karmic slate will be wiped clean.

I mean,

Is that possible?

I should probably ask you rather than assume a response to a question,

But I feel quite comfortable assuming that one.

Actually,

But in there,

From there,

It's like,

But one of the teachers we've had on the podcast is Tom Campbell.

He talks about how we're getting,

You're either coming into higher degrees of entropy through lack of kindness,

Lack of forgiveness,

Lack of gratitude,

Or you're lowering entropy.

If you're moving into spaces of like kindness,

Gratitude,

You know,

You're resolving more,

You're coming into,

Like you said,

We're stepping into more wisdom rather than more of the,

I don't want to just label them as the seven deadly sins,

But labeling into more of that sort of frequency.

Yeah,

People,

Our relationship with karma,

How can you actually,

Is there a mission statement around karma to try and lighten that baggage through incarnations?

And if so,

Like,

How do we actually work,

Do that work?

So to answer the first question where we spoke about can you clean the karmic slate?

You cannot just delete it.

You need to either release it or balance it.

And yes,

That both can be done without physically going through pain.

It can be done through consciousness.

It can be done through energy because karma is nothing but energy.

And any and every karmic imbalance,

Karmic baggage is created from energy.

Do you know what I mean?

So for example,

In one lifetime,

If I betrayed you,

Now your response could have been a forgiven tamana,

That karma will not get carried forward in our next lifetime.

But in that lifetime,

If you've not given me that unforgiveness,

That anger,

That hurt,

That pain from your side,

Is nothing but energy,

Right?

And that will get carried forward in our next time form of energy.

So karma is nothing but distorted energy or an energy imbalance.

And every soul till the time they do not share the purest,

Highest frequency of energy with each other,

They will keep coming back as karmic imbalances.

Is your karmic imbalances and the karmic,

I don't want to say record keeping,

Is that kept in what is called the Akashic Records?

Is that what they're referring to the Akashic Records as?

Can you describe the Akashic Records to us in a little bit,

Please?

So Akashic Records is,

It's not like a physical manifestation.

It's a book of records where every soul's journey,

Every soul's lessons,

What their virtues are,

What their strengths are,

What their weaknesses are,

Who their parents were,

Who their partners were,

What are they here to experience,

That is energetically stored.

So it could be their physical body disease,

It could be their mental and emotional lessons that they need to learn,

It could be their predictions,

Their behavior patterns,

Their timelines,

That why are they choosing a breakup?

Why are they choosing a job failure?

Why are they choosing financial poverty or financial abundance?

What is for them to learn?

What is it for them to grow through this?

So every experience from all the lifetimes goes and gets energetically stored in this Akarsha or this book of records or Akashic chart or karmic blueprints.

There are so many terms to that.

Yeah,

So I'd like to dive in from this point here because you have gone ahead and then also said,

You know,

Many of us that are here have been here for many lifetimes.

There's our karma,

There's the records.

I mean,

You've also said that back in the days it was easier for masters to become masters.

Yes.

Whereas where we are now,

Potentially it's not as available.

What's going on?

Please speak to us of this current state that we're in.

Yeah,

So back in the day,

Centuries ago we were living the,

You know,

As we are growing,

It's also the frequency of earth that is constantly changing.

The frequency of consciousness that is constantly changing.

The quality of everything is constantly changing.

So back in the day,

Our mother earth,

Our consciousness was only existing in a 3D world.

And the 3D world was all about space and time.

It was about the body and it was about the time.

And back in the day,

Astrology was big because that master time,

You know,

And spirituality back then was all about transcending about your body.

It was about leaving the mind,

Leaving the body,

Leaving your ego and transcending.

And that philosophy or that science of spirituality worked very well for that time dimension.

Then came a point where we moved the frequency of the earth,

Shifted to what we call a 4D.

And now we are living in a 5D consciousness.

And 4D is not only about space time,

It's also about your mind.

So that's where the entire concept of technology,

Science came into evolution because that was connected to the mind,

The logical mind.

And now in the 5D,

We are living in the space,

The time dimension,

The mind and the energy and the consciousness dimension.

So while the frequency of earth is evolving,

As humans,

As souls,

Even we have to evolve.

It's like when mobiles were introduced back in early 90s,

I remember that Nokia had a banana phone and a new satellite phone.

Remember?

But now are we using any big phones?

Even our SIM cards are like.

.

.

Remember pulling the antenna out of that thing?

It was like this.

Sorry,

I'm interrupting.

Sorry,

Please continue.

Yeah.

So imagine if you want to use a 5G SIM card,

But you have a Nokia banana phone,

It won't fit.

It won't work.

And that's exactly what's happening with our consciousness right now.

Why on a collective consciousness we are suffering so much more in the human realm is because the earth is vibrating at a different frequency,

But our body is the handset.

We are still not upgrading.

We are still not upgrading our mental,

Emotional,

Spiritual body system.

Do you know what I mean?

And when I'm talking about upgrading the body system or the mental system and the emotional system,

It is not about going on diets.

It's not about eating right.

It's also about respecting your body.

It's about listening to your body.

It's not about following fad.

People think that just because they are doing something,

It means that they are honoring that and they're embodying that.

That's not what's happening.

People,

Because of so much of information overload,

People are collecting information but are they really embodying that?

Is it really grounding them?

Are they imbibing that?

Knowledge versus wisdom.

Yeah,

It's a whole thing here.

Yeah,

It's a whole thing.

And also with wisdom,

Again,

You know,

We have the higher self always have that wisdom,

But how often do we pause and listen to that?

Well,

There is that part of us which is,

It's always going to be incumbent upon us to choose.

I mean,

There's a deep thing with consciousness and choice for us to be able to choose to connect to that higher wisdom of the higher self.

But then there are also,

Touch wood,

Forces at play.

Like,

What is a distractor implant?

Maybe you can unpack that for us,

Please.

There are higher forces that do not want us to come into full form.

They do not want us to come into full potential.

And,

You know,

There are an entire species of human body that have created so much of distractor implants.

And these implants have come in form of religion,

Have come in form of politics,

Have come in form of technology,

Have come in form of science.

That is keeping us in a loop that is distracting us for our soul to achieve the highest form of potential.

We all have the potential to be like Shiva.

We all have the potential to be like Durga.

We all have the potential to be like Christ or to be like Krishna or to be like Hanuman or to be like all of these masters or to be like Buddha.

We all have that potential because when Buddha was born,

He was not born enlightened.

He was a normal human being like us.

But back then he didn't have distractor plants.

He didn't care about money.

He didn't care about Facebook and Instagram and all these things.

You know,

He focused on himself and he reached the state of enlightenment and he was just a soul like us.

But in today's day and age,

There are dark forces that do not want humans to reach that highest potential because it is the law of nature where light exists,

Darkness also exists.

And we cannot change that.

We can't defy that.

You've purported,

Purported,

There we go,

Cut the word out.

Sorry.

You've purported to see many battles between the light and the dark,

Psychically.

And who always wins?

It's always the light.

It's always,

The dark is the force.

The light is the power.

The force may win temporarily,

But power will always be power.

Do you know what I mean?

The dark forces and the light holds power.

Yeah.

The light will never force.

Yeah,

There's,

So the,

You've also,

As a psychic,

Come across many different people,

Many different,

Trying to avoid using the word entity.

And maybe that's worth us unpacking why I'm potentially been avoiding using the word entity,

To be honest.

Maybe because there's a lot of baggage in there.

And generally when people say the word entity,

They,

It carries a negative connotation.

But you've gone as far as saying that actually a lot of what is in the dark,

Regardless of where it's at in its journey of the dark,

Is on its way back into the light.

It is seeking a journey into the light and wholeness.

Can you speak to that for us?

Because I think that's,

Some people find that really difficult to square with some of the experiences that they've had.

Yeah.

So basically,

Like I said,

Every soul,

And I'm sure you've heard this across all your people that you've interviewed,

Every soul carries the highest potential of light.

We are all light beings.

But as a journey in human form,

We drop in vibrations,

We fall in vibrations.

And that low vibration adds to our darkness.

So the soul is never dark.

It's just what we've accumulated from our human form is the darkness.

And those souls who are stuck,

You know,

What if I may say,

Again,

I won't use the word entities,

But souls who are stuck are not deprived of light.

They just need that little push to move into light.

They are just weak souls.

Imagine,

It's like how your body has 103 fever and you can't do your day-to-day activities.

But once you pop a pill and the fever goes,

You go back to normal.

You go back to your highest potential and you can do everything that you're supposed to be doing.

So even these souls who need that medicine,

The light,

They just need that external health so that they can be pushed into light.

What's the best way to support such souls back into the light?

It's just holding space for them.

It's just praying for them.

It's just,

I mean,

When I do it on the energetic level,

I just clear their low vibrations.

So I was taught,

So one aspect of me of what the world sees is of a psychic where people come to me for predictions.

But what people don't also know is I'm a trained healer and I've been trained to deal with energies.

I've been given a lot of training how to heal,

How to cut low vibrations,

How to kind of clear energies,

How to clear vibrations in people.

So when I encounter stuck souls or stuck beings,

I just move them into light.

That's it.

You just surround them in light.

It's like a three-second,

Five-second job.

Is there a concept such as false light?

Is there actually a concept such as false light in your experience?

There can be deception,

Definitely.

And it can be,

It is true that sometimes a lot of negative forces,

You know,

Kind of deceive and show up in form of light beings.

And that's why I also want to kind of add in here that,

You know,

Now the entire concept of third eye opening and everyone wants to open their kundalini.

And kundalini rising is a huge thing.

People are going away for a day retreat to activate their kundalini.

And it's like,

Okay,

Do we actually know what we're doing here?

We're just popping our third eyes open and we're just back to the office with your open kundalini energy.

Okay,

Okay,

Sure.

Yeah.

And,

You know,

Unfortunately it's become a fad and it's interesting.

And,

You know,

But what's important is to understand that,

You know,

Especially when you're doing tarot card or when you're doing any of these occult or when you're dealing with any kind of energy,

You may be getting a message,

You may be getting a guidance,

But you don't know where that guidance is coming from.

And just because you're hearing something and just because you're seeing something does not mean that's authentic.

And that's unfortunately a mistake that people are making.

You know,

I deal with so many clients of mine who come with so much of fear.

Why?

Because they've gone to another tarot card reader,

They've gone to another astrologer,

They've gone to another psychic who's told them crazy stuff.

And rather than supporting and guiding them,

They've messed up their head,

Created more fear and messed up their energies.

And now these clients come to me saying that,

Okay,

What do you see?

And I'm like,

I don't see anything that was told to you.

You know,

So what is important is discernment.

Just because we are seeing things,

Just because we are perceiving things does not mean it always has to be true.

You have to validate it.

You have to validate the source of where it's coming from.

Well,

It's hard to validate for some people though when they aren't open to a reality beyond the senses.

There's even like,

There's a rub here in this conversation just at this juncture.

I'd like to try my best to speak to it so you can help us clean it up.

Even me having this conversation with you potentially about energies,

Entities or whatever that is less than optimal,

Right,

Is introducing that concept into the psyche of said listener.

Now I'm conscious that we need to be very mindful of that because in some ways,

And maybe this is,

We need to clear up whether ignorance truly is bliss or whether that is spiritual bypassing.

I mean,

If they weren't aware of this,

Like there's going to be some element of fear.

Now that we've had this conversation,

For 90% of people tuning in,

I mean,

There's going to be an element of fear that comes in with it.

Now,

Many of them will work with it and move it on.

Some of them are not going to feel it at all.

But for some people,

There's like this,

Oh,

There's a whole thing here because you've said this yourself.

We don't really fear,

We fear the unknown more than anything else,

Right?

So there's an unknown that comes in like you've got the capabilities for the audience listening in to see beyond your five senses,

Right?

Many of our audience are intuitive.

Many of them have a particular sense online.

You seem to have many more than the average person,

Which there's reasons for that.

And we can unpack some of that,

I'm sure.

But the fear element here and us discussing it and introducing it into someone's psyche,

What do they do here with the rub?

Because now it's brought into their awareness.

They're aware of it,

But they also don't know how to work with it.

Like,

What do you do here to continue?

Like,

Do you get to,

Do you see what I'm pointing to here?

Yeah.

So first of all,

My advice to them,

To all the listeners,

There's nothing to worry because they are spirits without a body.

They cannot physically harm you.

Number one,

The minute you allow fear to take over,

You are weakening your aura and making them more powerful.

Number three is the fact that you have a human body,

You are far more powerful than them.

That in itself is a protection shield.

But if you live in fear,

You are allowing them to kind of drain you out.

And sometimes it's not the entities that drain us out.

It's your own fear and your own imagination about them that drains you out.

And if at all,

Any of the audience ever encounters these kind of entities,

It's as simple as that.

You just have to say a prayer that there's no space,

There's no room for you in this house.

This is my space.

This is my house.

And it is time for you to leave.

And that's it.

So it's like telepathically talking to someone who walks into your house and like,

You need to leave.

This is not your house.

But without operating from a space of fear.

Because fear completely weakens your aura.

Because there is,

I mean,

Even like protection as a concept is a really deep concept,

Right?

For people that are working in energetic spaces like protection and seal was like this whole thing that people work with.

But it does beg the question,

The minute you set out to protect,

Which please do not take anybody listening into this that does deep work.

Amrit is not saying don't protect.

Okay,

Touch wood.

But it's just a question coming this way.

Sorry,

Just got to caveat that.

But I mean,

Even when you start to come into protect,

I mean,

For some people,

Or imagine the majority,

Or maybe this is just where my awareness is at,

And maybe it's cleaning up,

Touch wood,

But isn't precursor to protection implying fear?

No,

It is about setting boundaries and honoring your energy.

Can you expand upon that,

Please?

Okay,

So the thumb rule about energy work is when you kind of come into any kind of energy work,

Whether you're conscious or whether you're not very conscious,

Whether you're a psychic or you're a normal person,

We all feel energy drain.

We all feel our aura depleting.

We all feel what everyone says.

So energy protection is basically strengthening your aura irrespective.

So today you could be meeting someone of a higher vibrational frequency than you,

Or someone of a similar vibrational frequency than you,

But you're still protected,

Which means your energy remains intact.

And you're not picking up other people's projections,

Judgments,

Emotions,

Or negativity.

Does that make sense?

So you're not allowing other people's energy to affect your energy.

Yeah,

This is important.

So if we can barrel down here a little bit further,

I know we're pretty deep,

But I want to go down further.

If that's okay,

Touch wood.

I found myself saying recently to people that it's all very well and good to understand the conversation of boundaries,

I think is being well had in spiritual circles and spaces,

And we're having it here now.

What I'm finding personally is,

Maybe I'm too much of an engineer from yesteryear.

I mean,

How do you identify the circumference of the circle when you don't know the center of it?

You know?

So I think there's this whole thing about boundaries,

And I found your work spoke to this quite deeply.

You need to find home.

You need to come home,

And many people aren't home.

And back to the distracted forces that we were talking about before,

I mean,

How do you help people come home first to be able to then establish healthy boundaries?

So Amrit,

On a soul level,

We are infinite beings.

But your body as a vessel can only store that much energy.

We only have 24 hours a day.

We only have that much energy that we can give to people.

So people need to,

Every morning,

Re-evaluate their energy,

Become aware and conscious of their energy,

Their body,

And honor that.

So,

And ask themselves,

Does this person,

Does this situation,

Do I have the energy to deal with this today?

Is it important for me to deal with this today?

And prioritize.

And when you slowly start fine-tuning your perception,

Fine-tuning your priorities,

Fine-tuning what calls out to you,

What feels light to you,

And what feels heavy to you,

That's when you automatically get centered.

That's when,

Basically,

Coming home is feeling centered,

Is alignment.

But it requires a lot of fine-tuning,

You know?

And I also want to say that,

You know,

Back in the day,

Awareness was all about accumulating knowledge and wisdom.

Right now,

Awareness is all about fine-tuning perception.

Because there's so much happening that it could just be that one perception,

One belief system,

One faith,

But fine-tuning that.

Awareness is evolving.

Is that what I just heard you say?

Yes,

Absolutely.

Awareness is evolving because,

Again,

In the 3D world,

Awareness was very different.

In the 5D world,

Like in the 3D world,

The concept of Bhagavad Gita,

Or the rituals,

Or the mantras,

Or the shlokas,

Were only given to a handful,

Right?

It was only the Brahmins who could recite the mantras.

It was only the Brahmins who could do the havan.

It was only Brahmins who had access to the Vedas,

And the Upanishads,

All these ancient wisdom.

Now we don't have that.

We've moved beyond the 3D world.

Today,

Anyone can recite the mantra.

Anyone has access to these ancient wisdoms.

So what was very exclusive in the 3D world is normal right now.

Yeah,

It does.

It makes sense.

There are some schools of thought which say we're actually emerging out of Kalyug.

But there are other deeper Indian scholars that I follow quite intimately,

And they're like,

Hey,

We're just getting started into Kalyug.

And there are other people which are like,

We're already moving.

I think it was Sadhguru who said,

We're already moving into Dwapara.

And I was like,

What?

Really?

Your awareness of where we are relative to Kalyug,

Because I think I subscribe to the idea that we are still going deeper into Kalyug,

Actually.

And then hearing you say,

Moving 3D,

4D,

5D,

It seems like we're on an ascent.

But I see the dive into Kalyug as a descent,

But as a deepening of certain forces as opposed to other forces where we're refining our clarity because we're less clear than we've ever been in some ways.

Where do you see us positioned?

And is there a symbiosis between those two cycles or are they two separate cycles?

This journey through Kalyug and this 3D,

4D,

5D shift you're referring to?

I know that's a very.

.

.

I have the answer.

But before I answer that in my language,

I want to give a simple analogy.

Please.

We are moving towards Kalyug.

But let me give you a simple analogy.

If you take Ganga Jal and you pour it in a glass or a container or a bottle,

Which is filled with moss,

Which is filled with bacteria,

Which is filled with algaes,

Will Ganga Jal be Ganga Jal or will it get diluted?

Well,

The engineer in me will say it gets diluted.

The spiritualist in me will say it's Ganga Jal.

It's got to stay pure.

So I'm conflicted.

Let me ask your human language.

Are you still going to have bath with that Ganga Jal?

Are you still going to drink it?

Are you still going to use that in havan?

No.

So our spirit is moving.

Our consciousness is moving towards Satyug.

But our body is still stuck in Kalyug.

Our body is still dense.

And like I said,

Our purpose,

You know,

Everyone keeps talking about our life purpose,

Our soul's mission,

Our soul's purpose.

Our purpose is to basically convert that consciousness into matter.

The matter which is our body.

A matter is our relationships.

A matter is the people that we deal with,

How we deal with.

Today,

You can be sitting on a mat for five hours,

Meditating and doing jatak mantra thousand and eight times a day.

But once you're out of your meditation and you're sitting and cheating people,

You're throwing things at your domestic help,

You're treating them like animals,

You're disrespecting your partner,

You're projecting your fears and insecurities on your children,

That's not what spirituality is.

That's not what consciousness is.

Well,

Back to what you said,

Even awareness is evolving,

Right?

So where awareness is right now,

It's much more about the discernment of the experience.

Yes.

So earlier,

Awareness was only available to us on the spiritual realm.

So when Buddha became aware,

He became aware,

He became enlightened by being alone.

He moved into light by being alone.

He was not surrounded with family,

He was not dealing with parents,

He was not dealing with the grief of abandoning his wife.

He didn't have a wife who was making him feel guilty for abandoning him.

Do you know what I mean?

He moved into awareness,

He moved into enlightenment by himself.

And that was a different era altogether.

Right now,

We can move into awareness by being alone.

But in the world that we're living in,

If we do not embody that awareness in our physical body,

If we do not embody that awareness in how we are speaking to people,

And how we are dealing with people in our day-to-day life,

And how we are using that awareness into our relationship patterns,

It's that awareness is of no use.

Is there a difference in the metaphysics behind Buddha's awareness and awakening and Christ's awareness and awakening?

So Buddha's awareness and awakening happened.

So on a very different plane.

It happened with helping people awaken their spiritual chakra.

So the energies of frequency that Buddha holds is of grounding.

It's of coming into yourself.

It's about the self.

Christ's awakening happened through serving,

Kindness and compassion towards people.

So the frequency of Christ's energies is all about opening your heart up.

So Christ primarily,

In my language,

Revolves around the heart center or the heart chakra.

Buddha's awakening happened because of the opening of the crown chakra.

Can I ask you,

Because we're both Sikh by background,

The Sikh awareness and awakening,

What do you see there,

The metaphysics behind that,

Please?

So Sikh is basically,

I think it's a very,

Very balanced religion.

And I'm not saying this because I'm a Sikh.

I would like to say I'm totally biased anyway.

And I also know that why my body,

My soul chose a body or chose a family of Sikhi or chose to be born in a family of Sikh,

Because my soul didn't need that dilution of any religious bias.

Do you know what I mean?

If my soul was born into a not a Sikh family and came with a lot of rules of how things should be and the flexibility was not there,

I don't think I would have been able to tap into my soul's gift the way I have.

So when I say Sikhi is a very balanced religion,

It's because the Gurus we worship,

From Guru Nanak,

Who's the first,

And to Guru Gobind Singh Ji,

Who's the last,

There's a spectrum of virtues.

And Guru Nanak's energy is soft.

It's kind.

It's compassionate.

It's loving.

Guru Gobind's is very gentle strength.

And Guru Gobind's is of strength from a warrior perspective,

From a protective perspective.

And then in between comes all your Angad Dev Ji and Arjun Dev Ji and Ram Das Dev Ji and they hold different vibrations.

And that's the reason why I call it a very balanced and a very new age religion,

Because in Sikhi,

It only teaches you about to be a good person,

Irrespective of whether you're doing Puja,

Whether you're doing Havan,

Whether you're doing this,

Whether you're doing that,

There is no condition applied,

You know.

It doesn't dismiss,

Oh,

If you eat non-veg,

You're a bad person.

It's not fear-based,

You know.

Or are you getting what I'm trying to say?

We do have certain norms,

Like don't cut your hair,

Wear a Kada or wear a Kanga.

That's just to keep our identity.

But it's not a norm.

Just because we're doing all of that doesn't make us a good or a bad person.

You know,

I'm a Sikh,

But I've cut my hair.

That doesn't make me a bad person.

It doesn't.

People will be like,

Oh,

You can't call yourself a Sikhi.

I don't drop from that religion.

So with Sikhism,

It's a very balanced and it has a very gentle approach to humanity.

It has a more practical approach to humanity.

It focuses on your Dharma and it focuses on your Karma,

Which is your Seva.

You know,

Accumulate but also give.

And that's what I love about Sikhi,

You know.

It's not fear-based.

It doesn't create any fear.

It doesn't create any dogma around how you should be leading your life.

You've had many gurus on your path,

Like actual physical teachers that have helped you awaken.

One of your gurus actually helped you awaken your third eye.

The importance of a teacher,

Mentor,

Guru,

Guide as we open onto the spiritual path.

I mean,

Can you speak to the import of it?

Even when your third eye opened,

I mean,

Was it a pleasurable experience?

I kind of know the answer to this,

But was it a pleasurable experience?

And what happened and the importance of a guru,

Guide,

Mentor at this stage of your journey?

So,

Like I started off by saying that I was truly blessed that at such a young age,

I did have a guru.

So my experience after the initial third eye awakening was extremely dramatic.

When I was going through it,

I didn't even know the word traumatic.

It was very normal.

I was seeing a lot.

I was perceiving a lot.

But now when I look back,

Especially now,

Because I have a three-year-old child,

And I'm like,

You know what,

If she has to go through that,

I'd be worried.

So it was very traumatic.

What were you seeing?

What was going on that was disconcerting for you now?

A lot of dark forces,

A lot of like a lot of dark forces trying to capture my soul,

Trying to diminish,

Trying to close my third eye.

I would see a lot of astral travel,

You know,

A lot of tantra.

So I was seeing a lot of like every time I would close my eyes,

There was just dark beings.

And dark beings trying to either scare me,

Trying to kind of push my energies down,

Trying to block my third eye.

So I went through a lot of that.

But coming back to the importance of Guru is he held space for me.

He didn't push me into fear.

He gave me facts.

He's like,

Tamanna,

It's normal.

And he gave me the tools how to handle it.

And that's why I also want to tell people that,

You know,

I get asked this question a lot that I want to grow into spirituality.

When will I find a Guru?

You can get a Guru tomorrow,

You know.

But the thing with the Guru is he can only point to you and he can hold space for you.

Eventually,

You have to walk your journey.

Your Guru cannot place you from A frequency to B frequency,

From A awareness to B awareness.

He can only point that,

Okay,

This is your journey.

This is not your journey.

Focus on this.

But you have to walk through those mucky waters.

You have to do the cleaning yourself.

You have to do the inner work yourself.

Just because you have a Guru does not mean you're going to ascend overnight.

And that's a myth that people have that in order to grow,

We need a Guru.

No,

In today's day and age,

Your books can be your Guru.

Your partner can be your Guru.

Your parents can be your Guru.

But you have to do the inner work.

A Guru is not going to come protect you.

A Guru is only going to come hold space for you and give you information,

Give you knowledge based on your strengths and your weaknesses as to what you need to do.

It's like Krishna,

Right?

He was Arjun's Guru.

He didn't enter the battlefield for Arjun.

He never taught Arjun how to hold the bow and arrow.

He just guided Arjun.

Arjun had to do all the hard work,

You know.

So what I'm trying to tell people is that a Guru is essential,

But it is independent.

You can still grow on your spiritual path without having a Guru.

Because today we are all blessed with our own inner GPS,

Our own inner guidance,

Our own inner Guru,

Which is our intuition,

You know.

And if you're following that,

That's good enough.

And what my Guru did was my Guru helped me bridge the gap between my mind and my intuition.

And when he connected me to my intuition,

He left.

He did his job and he left.

So I only had my Guru from the age of 9 to the age of 16.

After that,

Everything that I've done is by myself.

I've not had a Guru after that,

You know.

So the last 25 years of my life is all self-learned,

Self-taught.

But fortunately,

Because I had such a strong base in the early years of my life,

That it's taken me so far.

Is it too rosy-tinted glasses of me to consider that where we're in this conversation,

All the propulsion and all the challenges that bring us down,

That potentially,

You know,

Hold us back and potentially aim to inhibit us from realizing our fullest God-like potential,

Are actually there for some sort of spiritual strength building,

So that we develop certain acuities like discernment,

Discernment,

Strength,

Like,

You know,

These forces here,

Also in service to the light in a really twisted way,

Or is that too rosy-tinted to look at it that way?

No,

You're absolutely right.

And I believe and I know that we're all here on soul level to learn certain karmic lessons,

Amrit.

And each lesson holds a certain frequency.

So,

You know,

When we're giving exams,

Every question had certain points.

An essay had 10 points,

A maths question had 3 points.

If you answer these questions right,

You get that many points.

So what is enlightenment?

I'm going to break this down and I'm going to kind of go a little deeper.

Enlightenment,

Or we all want to be one with God,

Is the state of a high strength,

A highest potential.

It's a frequency.

We don't know what that highest frequency is.

And in order to reach that frequency,

We have to gather that much frequency to vibrate at that level.

And every karmic lesson holds a certain frequency.

So,

Say you're stuck.

In the human body,

You are down here.

You learn the lesson of trusting yourself,

You will jump in a certain frequency.

You learn the lesson of forgiveness,

You jump in a certain frequency.

You learn the lesson of,

You know,

Discernment,

Self-trust,

Communication,

Kindness,

Empathy,

Being a better listener,

Letting go of the past.

These are all frequencies.

Gratitude has the highest frequency,

You know.

And that's what you spoke early on.

I wanted to come back to that.

I wanted to join this conversation back to that.

Is with every lesson learnt and embodied,

We collect frequencies.

And on a soul level,

When we embody all these frequencies,

Boom,

That's when enlightenment happens.

You know,

So if a child wants a hundred on hundred,

What are you going to tell the child?

That give an answer to all the questions,

You know,

Give the right answer and you'll get hundred on hundred.

It's not that difficult.

But in practicality,

When we are surrounded with what's in a dunyadari,

More maya,

We forget that.

We forget that.

And then we get distracted.

And then we go back to operating from our lower chakras,

Our lower self,

Our ego self.

And that's when we drop in frequencies.

It's interesting because at this juncture in the conversation,

We've discussed karmic contracts and we've discussed karmic lessons.

And from my research coming into this podcast,

The Akashic Records,

You said hold karmic contracts,

Karmic lessons,

Also karmic incompletions.

What are karmic incompletions?

Okay,

So again,

When we go to work every day,

Right,

We take up more and more tasks.

But there are certain tasks that you haven't completed from yesterday,

Which is important.

You need to do it today.

So karmic incompletions are those two,

Three,

Four odd jobs or,

You know,

Things that you haven't learned,

Energy exchanges that you need to kind of give to people,

Receive from people,

And they come back in this lifetime.

Unfortunately,

People have a myth that everything that's happening to them now is because of a past life.

So even now,

When people fall sick,

They're going through a divorce,

They're going through a heartbreak,

They lose a job.

Oh,

I want to do my past life.

And I'm like,

Past life is not going to cure this situation,

You know.

But yes,

There are few situations,

Out of 100 situations,

Out of 50 people that you encounter,

Maybe one,

Two or three can be a past life incompletion that may show up in this lifetime.

But not everything that's happening in this lifetime is a reflection of your past life.

Yeah,

I mean,

I can feel some of the truth in what you're saying,

Just in some of the things that,

You know,

I think we get called to in our life as well.

And it's like,

How come I ended up over here?

And it's like,

It feels like what you're describing,

Like an incompletion that you probably were like,

Oh,

You're gravitating towards this,

Because there's some unfinished business that you really feel called to dive deep into.

Yeah,

It's really interesting feeling into,

Because there are some schools of thought,

You know,

Maybe not that many.

I mean,

You said Sikhi is quite balanced,

But carrying the frequency of a healer and a psychic,

I mean,

Is quite a deep,

Deep thing to be carrying through the upbringing that you've had and the environments that you've navigated.

Have there been moments where you've just been like,

I'm not sure I want any of this?

Has that ever crossed your mind?

Never,

Because I just feel so rooted in that gift.

But even as a healer,

There hasn't been wounds that you've been exposed to,

Because there is this frequency around healing and wounding,

Right?

There's a matrimony there or not really?

Am I conflating?

Of course,

Definitely.

In the human form,

I've been through my relationship challenges.

I've been through my life challenges.

I've been through setbacks,

But never,

Ever,

Ever have I not wanted to be what I am on the core.

I think for me as a healer and as a psychic,

My biggest challenge was setting boundaries,

But in a different way,

Setting boundaries towards myself.

Because I was always,

I could see things,

I could perceive things.

It also helped me,

But it also kind of pushed me to give people a lot of benefit of doubt,

Where I cut a lot of slack to people,

People who were doing me wrong,

People who've done wrong things to me.

I was always operating from the space of kindness,

Empathy,

I know where they're coming,

I know their wounds,

I know their traumas,

Or they are behaving this way because they've seen their parents behave that way.

So I was always making excuses because of me knowing a lot more and that didn't serve my purpose.

Do you know what I mean?

I do.

So that was a challenge for me.

That was a big challenge for me personally.

There was a leaf also that I made a bookmark in my study for this podcast to come back to,

Which was you also drew some boundaries between your personal space and your professional space.

And I really,

I was hoping this would make its head in the conversation today,

Touchwood,

Because so many people tuning into this podcast are also in their professional space,

In service to people,

Right?

So that's their professional life.

But also when you're in service,

It also becomes part of your personal life.

It's just the identity that starts to coalesce and you start to serve personally.

But you said there was a point there where you were like being the healer and psychic.

There was this energy of,

You were also in your personal life,

Then attracting people that needed guidance and needed healing and support from you.

And then you drew a clear line in the sand at a certain point.

Can you describe that line that you drew and the need for drawing it and the importance of that for the listener?

So I think what was happening is,

And I'm kind of realizing this while you're asking this question to me,

And it's a fresh awareness for me as well.

I think,

Say about 10 years ago or about 12 years ago,

I had separated my spiritual gift and my human journey.

So by the time I was the age of 26,

27,

I was a normal girl having fun,

Partying.

And my spiritual gift was just something that I was using when people came to meet me in my personal space.

I had separated the both.

I had not accepted that as a reality.

So when I was choosing people in my personal space was vis-a-vis basis on what I am getting attracted to or what I thought would serve my purpose or help me as a 26 year old girl,

Something that I would like.

But I realized that that's not serving purpose to my spiritual growth or that's not holding space for my spiritual growth.

So while I was with few people,

The spirit is saying something else,

That this is not right.

This is not right.

This is not right.

And then there came a point where I had to embody my spirituality along with my biological body,

My neurological nervous system and be like,

You know what?

They're not two different identities.

They're one.

And I need something that will hold space for me for the person I am on all levels.

And I think that for me was a shift.

And the major shift happened where I literally came into my awareness and I said that I told the universe that I'm here to help people.

You have given me this gift.

You have to hold space for me.

But allow me to discern.

I came to a point where I actually told the universe that if I have to heal people,

Let them come through my professional space,

Not through my personal relationships.

In my personal relationships,

I need to attract people,

Be it friends,

Be it a partner,

Be it people in general,

My work associates who are vibrating on similar frequency or frequency higher than me or who can hold space for what I'm bringing to them.

And just that awareness helped me.

You know,

They say,

Right?

I'm sure again,

You've dealt with neuroscientists.

It's a pattern.

And you can only break a pattern with awareness.

So for me,

That awareness dawned upon.

And,

You know,

Because every time something bad was happening to me,

It was never about,

Oh,

This person is bad.

It was always about,

Why am I attracting this?

Why am I attracting this?

Why am I attracting this?

And that's when I realized that I'm attracting people who need healing.

I'm attracting broken people.

I'm attracting souls who need mothering,

You know,

When I'm only giving,

Giving,

Giving,

Giving,

And I'm not receiving.

And I kind of knew that that's disservice to myself.

I think it's a really important point.

It's a really important point because so many of us then end up in our friendships and our relationships being in service to the ones we love and the best of intentions.

But then also having those boundaries is so vital for us to be able to do the work,

Touch wood that we're here to do in the world as well.

I think it's,

Yeah.

Thank you so much for speaking to that.

I mean,

Talking about what you attract,

You had a near-death experience in a car crash.

Have you reflected upon what was going on there?

Like,

Yeah,

What was that journey and what was that stage of your journey about?

I mean,

Do you want to describe your near-death experience for us,

Please?

So it was basically what was happening is I was actually on my way to LA and I was alone and I had an overnight stay with my mom's friend and I was actually taking a train to like this countryside.

That's where my course was supposed to be.

And again,

That course was extremely life-changing for me because that course helped me embody my soul into my body.

Till then,

I was always floating.

And this happened,

I think I was at the age of 27 where I would always astral travel and I was living in the higher chakras,

Like I said.

And that soul helped me root into my body.

And this car accident happened right before,

Like the day I was supposed to reach my course.

And I also believe that,

You know,

Whenever there's going to be any positive transformation,

Whenever any healer,

Any psychic,

Any information that's going to change the consciousness is going to open up,

There's always going to be dark forces.

There's always going to be something that's going to stop you to see how badly you want it.

And this also happens,

You know,

When you want to go for these pilgrims or Tirath Yatra,

There's always this test being taken to see how badly you want it.

And for me,

That near-death experience was more like a test whether I want to pursue my gift professionally and do what I want to do.

And it was because till then,

I was working,

But I was working under wraps.

I was working in a very subtle way,

You know.

And post that situation,

A lot changed for me in my personal and my professional reality.

And that's where I started traveling the world and meeting people.

And I came out of the closet completely.

So I think that near-death experience to me was an exit point where my personal sufferings increased.

But also on the soul level,

I took up more responsibility to channel my gift in a better way.

Yeah,

I'm going to double click on that personal sufferings increased bit.

Sorry,

All the things I could have double clicked on.

No,

No.

She's like this guy.

So my personal sufferings increased and it was also professional more responsibility,

Which I took up.

Because you said we've had like,

And maybe I shouldn't put words in your mouth,

But our soul,

From what I understood,

It has apparently five exit points,

You said,

Programmed in.

And it's not like everyone's going to have a near-death experience at exactly one of those five.

But,

You know,

There are moments where,

You know,

You decided to,

You know,

Stay at a green light and you don't know what happened at that moment.

Or you're running 10 minutes late and maybe you miss,

I've got a very dear friend.

Actually,

She runs the retreats for the Inspired Evolution now.

And she was meant to be in the World Trade Center,

But some sort of kerfuffle with her car keys or something like that.

And she was really mad at her.

She ended up not ending up at the World Trade Center when the whole thing came down.

And she just feels like she knows that was one of her exit points.

She's in our Inspired Evolution community as well.

She's really awesome.

But it's interesting looking at these exit points in and of themselves.

But you have gone ahead and said that actually,

If you were to exit sooner,

Touch wood and a massive caveat here,

Everybody tuning in,

You know,

Just be very mindful about what I'm about to say.

But if you were to exit sooner,

It's kind of smoother because there's less karmic baggage.

I know how that sounds.

So there needs to be a massive disclaimer on this podcast somewhere.

But yeah,

I mean,

That's very fascinating.

So you decided to come back.

It came with more responsibility,

But also that responsibility meant more embroilment into karma.

There's also this voice in the back of my head,

Which I can't just ignore,

Is when your grandmother passed away,

Like your nanny,

Your mum's mum,

You had this really deep connection with her.

My dad,

Yeah,

My dad.

Oh,

Sorry,

Your dad.

My daddy,

Yeah.

Yeah,

Dad's mum.

You guys had this really deep connection and you connected with her on the other side and you were like,

Hey,

And she was like,

Not go away,

But she was like,

Let's not do more karma here.

You know,

She was just like giving you the space.

So it's interesting to think about these exit points.

And just,

I don't think I've ever heard anybody put it that way.

It's like,

If you choose to stay,

You're also choosing to get further embroiled.

Are you making this choice and decision wisely?

I don't think anybody that's explained near-death experiences on this podcast has ever said anything like that before.

So it happens on a very subconscious level.

I won't say subconscious level.

Let me correct that word.

It happens on a very super conscious level.

So it's not something that we consciously choose or subconsciously choose.

It's a higher self chooses.

And also,

Again,

Amrit,

In one lifetime,

If I'm getting an opportunity to clear more karmic baggage and attain a higher frequency,

Why not?

So imagine if you are,

I'm just giving you an example.

If,

I mean,

You have two sons and if the principal told you that,

You know what,

Your son is an overachiever and from seventh standard,

Let me put him to ninth standard,

But it will come with a lot of hard work.

But then it also comes with a lot of perks,

Right?

You will take that opportunity.

You are not going to be like,

Oh no,

He's lazy.

Let him just chill.

Let him be his age.

You'd be like,

Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah.

Why not?

And then you push your son to study further because eventually it will benefit.

He may not realize at that point that it's benefiting him.

But by the time he clears out of school,

It will really add value to his life.

And the whole key for souls is to not come back in human form.

So to keep doing as much so that we don't come back.

Now,

What if I would have taken that exit point and,

You know,

The higher beings or the masters are like,

Oh my God,

You've learned some lessons,

But now you have more lessons to learn,

Which means then again,

I have to sit and make a new karmic chart.

Then again,

I have to sit and choose new parents,

Again,

Come back and then start from scratch.

But in that lifetime,

What if I'd forgotten my gift?

What if I would have forgotten my psychic abilities?

What if I'd forgotten everything that was taught to me as a seer?

Or what if I incarnated into a family that was extremely conservative or extremely traditional and didn't believe in the spiritual stuff?

My this lifetime would have gone to waste.

You know?

So I was like,

Let me just continue with this,

Keeping this,

You know,

This awareness in place and continuing with that.

That there is an opportunity here,

But it comes with responsibility,

Back to the point.

Like,

Yeah.

But then again,

You know,

When you have the higher consciousness and when you have that awareness,

The sufferings that is on the physical level doesn't disrupt you because then you're also dealing with those sufferings from a space of awareness.

You realize that,

You know what?

It's happening for you.

It's not happening to you.

One of the guests I had on the podcast,

He's passed away.

He rest in peace.

His name is Robert J Gilbert and he was an incredible Rosicrucian teacher and I loved having him on.

Not sure how much you've checked out the Rosicrucians,

Maybe you wouldn't know inside out,

But they kind of look at each faith and sort of see metaphysically where each of them,

What they're contributing to awareness and consciousness as a whole to try and then find its place.

They're not trying to be of a higher order.

They've just tried to sort of come into like giving everybody their space,

Which sounds very sick-y in its own way as well,

Actually.

So I really resonated with that conversation,

But they have like these seven trappings on the path as well.

And when he talked about them,

He went deep into some of them.

One of them,

The first one on the path that's a trapping is spiritual ego,

You know,

Which I think is,

I look at it as quite a beautiful one,

You know,

It's not that bad.

It's like,

You know,

You're,

Hey,

Check out,

Like,

I'm more spiritual than you are.

It's like,

Hey,

You're on the path.

Just don't get stuck there.

Yeah,

Keep going,

You know,

Like we've all been there.

But then one of them,

And I wanted it,

You know,

We're about two,

Three steps in here.

He talked about how the tools can start to consume themselves a little bit,

Touch wood.

And so,

I mean,

There's many examples,

I'm sure we could double click on,

But there's one that you speak to quite cleanly that I think is important for us to recognize is there are tantrics,

Touch wood in this world,

Right?

Working with energy,

Right?

And maybe it's important for people to realize that tantra is one for one with the word energy,

Really.

And if there's anything to clean up in there,

Please.

But yeah,

Tantra is energy.

But then there are potentially,

There is tantra metaphysically,

Touch wood behind the veil.

And some of that is in service to like,

You know,

Bringing us into higher levels of more levels of God realization,

But some potentially aren't touch wood.

And so again,

This seems like one of those trappings on the path.

Can you speak to this particular instance and what this really is?

Because I've tried to introduce it,

But I don't have the languaging around it that you have managed to come across when I was preparing for this podcast.

You speak to it very well.

Yeah,

So again,

Tantra is basically how you use energy.

That's the point.

He said all spiritual tools are spiritual tools,

But be careful the way you wield the tools,

Right?

Correct.

Like now,

Even with psychic abilities,

Some people use astrology to study the planetary positions,

But channelize the psychic intuition.

Some people use tarot.

Some people use runes.

Some people do coffee mug reading,

You know,

To convey similar messages of the intuition.

Similarly with tantra,

You have positive way of using tantra as well that creates a difference into the world,

That creates healing.

And then you also have the negative way to use the same energy.

So again,

Energy is white.

Energy can be dark,

But how you use it really defines everything.

And usually whenever we talk about tantra,

It is associated with black magic.

Now,

How white magic is a pure science,

Right?

You go to an astrologer and you tell him,

Okay,

Can you perform white magic on me?

He won't be able to do it.

You go to a tarot card reader or you go to a pandit and you tell him,

Can you do white magic on me?

I'm suffering with cancer.

I have a node inside my throat.

Can you remove that?

He won't be able to do it.

Similarly,

Black magic is a very,

Very pure science of darkness.

Not everybody can do it.

And the reason why I say this is because people have this myth.

Again,

I am falling sick.

I've been on bed for three months.

I've lost my job.

I keep losing money.

I have lost my parents at a young age.

I'm going through a divorce.

I'm going through a breakup after 10 years.

Someone has done black magic.

I'm like,

Whoa,

Black magic is not something that anyone can do,

You know.

Even for anyone to do black magic,

A,

They need a lot of money because it's not a cheap functionality.

It's not a cheap science.

It's not a cheap skill.

And not everybody can do it.

So just because you're going to Rishikesh or just because you're going to Varanasi or just because you're going to the Kumbh Mela and seeing all these tantrics does not mean they're performing black magic.

So again,

Black magic is a very,

How white magic is a very,

Very rare science,

Right?

Not everyone can tap into it and not everyone can do it.

And even if they're doing it,

They will charge a bomb.

Similarly,

Black magic is a very,

Very rare skill and not every tantric can do it.

Again,

With tantra,

It is people who capture souls,

People who capture energies to make them more powerful.

They're only taking energy from outward into inward to make themselves more powerful.

Those are tantrics.

Does that make sense?

It does.

And someone who does white magic will never deplete people or will never deplete human form to make themselves feel powerful.

They have direct access to the divine or the source.

Why is religion so scared of magic?

Religion is not scared of magic.

I think it's the people who talk about religion.

They are.

For the simple reason is that then,

When you talk about magic,

It's very fluid.

It's beyond limitations,

Right?

So what happens is,

When someone starts moving towards magic,

They're moving towards a higher knowing.

They're moving towards something which is more fluid.

And in that space,

Any norm,

Any restrictions loses control,

Any restriction loses power.

And religion is all about power and control.

In today's day and age,

No one really focuses on the teachings of what the religion stands for.

People only focus on the religion for the do's and don'ts,

Which is very restrictive,

Which is again,

Very confining,

Which is very limiting,

Which is very judgmental,

Which is very conditional.

Oh,

If you're eating non-veg,

You're not a good Gujarati or good Jain or,

You know,

Things like these.

Or if you're drinking alcohol,

You are defying the laws of Islam.

Do you know what?

That's very conditional.

It's very fear-based.

It's very limiting.

You asked God a question.

Can you tell us what question you asked him?

I was in a very,

You know,

It's one of those moments in life and it's still so fresh.

And it was a moment of bliss for me.

And I was very young.

I must have been again,

27,

28,

Where I was sitting with my daddy,

Whom I loved a lot.

And I had dinner with her and I was watching,

Keeping up with Kardashians with her.

And she was a Sardani.

She never understood English,

But I would translate.

So she was glued into all the drama that was happening.

So,

You know,

Every night,

That 9 to 10 India time,

I used to sit with her.

And then I kind of came,

Was sitting in my lobby.

And I just,

I was,

I think for me,

That's the closest I've come to bliss.

And I was like,

God,

And I was very conscious at that time.

I was not sleeping.

I was just chilling,

Lounging.

And I was like,

God,

Why do you love me so much?

You know?

And the response I got was,

Because you're the only one who's ever asked me that question.

Otherwise everyone else is only complaining,

Which is trouble.

So yeah,

That was,

That was my close encounter with himself.

I don't know how to ask a question beyond the feelings that are coming through on this podcast right now.

Based on that moment,

How do I wade through these waters?

And that was the only time I asked that question.

Never after that,

Because I know the answer.

I know I need to ask a question.

I just,

I'm just completely stumped in like the majesty of your aura and that incredible connection with God.

When you had your near death experience,

Did you end up speaking to God at that point?

No,

It was,

It's a very,

It's like,

It was,

Did you see much?

I just saw myself through a blue tunnel,

Where this is something that a lot of people who've had near death experiences,

It was very similar.

I just saw myself,

You know how you have a hospital blue light,

That hospital passage?

It was exactly like that.

Me just passing through that and boom,

Just coming back.

And I remember I was alone and I remember when they took me into the hospital,

I was holding the nurse's hand and I kept telling her,

I don't want to die.

I don't want to die.

I don't want to die.

I remember those words.

I just kept telling her that I don't want to die,

Which means my soul was still not ready.

Like somewhere my soul knew that an exit point had come and though in that car accident,

I have to tell you there was not a single scratch on my body.

It was just whiplash.

It was pain,

Except for this mark that I had because of the air burst kind,

The airbag kind of burst open and kind of left a mark.

Except for this car,

I didn't have a single scar on my body,

But I still collapsed because of the whiplash.

So I mean,

And it was a very minor accident.

It was not something worse,

But it was good enough for me to have a near-death experience.

Yeah,

I love that.

I'm conscious I could wrap the podcast here and it'd end in a really nice note.

There is this teaching of yours that you need to be careful what you consume though.

Yeah.

That I think is important for us to,

I can't let you go without discussing that.

Like that's a really deep teaching.

Uh,

Do you mind unpacking that for us?

I mean,

Maybe we start with horror movies.

I mean,

You,

I couldn't believe what I was listening to when I was researching.

Horror movies are more scary than the ghosts that you've actually seen from the other side.

Can we start there maybe with a little bit of humor?

You know,

Of course.

I have to give this personal experience.

I was,

I think I was about six or seven years old.

And of course I was not allowed to watch horror movies,

But I was at my cousin mama's place who just lived across the house.

And they were watching a horror movie and I was in the other room playing with my other cousins.

And I remember this movie,

I don't even remember which movie it was,

But the girl is sleeping on her bed and this ghost or the spirit jumps from the ceiling and enters her body.

And this was,

I think back in 1990,

Early 1990s.

And much later on,

I realized that that scene left a mark or a dent in my psyche.

Till date,

I cannot sleep on my back.

I cannot.

It's been,

I just cannot sleep on my back.

I sleep on my side.

I sleep on my face.

I just cannot sleep on my back because every time I sleep on my back,

It takes me back to that visual,

You know?

So it does create a psyche dent,

Number one.

Number two is also somewhere it interferes with your frequency.

And what do I mean by that?

We as humans right now have picked our sensitivity.

If you notice,

We are all super sensitive.

We are super sensitive to what we read.

We are super sensitive to what we see.

We are super sensitive to what we are hearing,

What we are feeling.

We enter a room and we are super sensitive to vibes,

Right?

We are super sensitive to even,

You know,

Has it happened to you,

Amrit?

You're browsing on social media and a post completely elevates you or creates an aha moment or it can completely brain you out.

Touch wood.

You know?

And that's the impact of information.

And that's the impact of what we perceive because the eyes are the closest to third eye.

What we hear,

What we say can still be forgotten.

But what we see can never be unseen.

Do you know what I mean?

So even if you're seeing a movie- It's going straight past the projector lens of the original,

Yeah,

The source.

Yeah.

So what we see even,

You know,

If at all you read the news,

If at all you're listening to a news,

You'll forget that.

But if at all you're reading a news,

You won't forget it because it immediately goes and gets registered in your brain.

So,

You know,

They say you cannot unsee what you see and that becomes a part of your frequency.

So imagine first thing in the morning,

You wake up and you are getting visuals of someone raping a dog or molesting a child or someone murdering people.

Are you going to have a good day?

It will linger on in your mind.

And then that creates fear and drama and trauma.

And then anything and everything,

You kind of feel extremely unsafe,

Right?

You know,

Similar the same thing is with demonic horror movies or any kind of negative content that we watch.

You know,

How is that different?

The big point there for me was,

You'll have noticed earlier,

I was questioning fear and I couldn't help but reflect on just how much fear is programmed into these horror movies.

And I mean,

Like,

Yeah,

I've got a relationship with horror.

Like I don't really love watching horror movies because I get really into media when I'm watching it.

So it's like,

Well,

And then it's like,

Yeah,

To the point,

Like it stays with me like for four or five days.

But there's a huge thing here where like someone that's,

I don't want to say privy to or has the ability to see like on the other side of that,

Like you'll be in a room and you'll see people that people like myself can't see in the room.

And for many people coming into this conversation when they hear psychic,

What's it like to be inside the mind of a psychic?

There's like that fear of the unknown.

And it's really interesting to hear because we don't know what it's like.

There's this element of,

Well,

It must be pretty scary to see things.

And then to hear you say,

Actually scary movies are scarier.

Yeah.

It's quite the reframe.

It's kind of like,

Whoa,

I want,

You know what I mean?

Like there's a whole healing just in hearing you say that in some ways.

Does that make sense?

What I'm pointing to?

Yeah.

So when I see things,

I see spirits.

I see the future.

I see the past.

These are experiences.

These are stories.

These are timelines that I'm seeing.

These are energies that I'm seeing.

And energy is either high or low.

Vibrations are high or low.

They are not demonic.

Do you know what I mean?

But when you're seeing something on television,

It has a very demonic image that stays with you.

So there could be,

I have dealt with souls.

I've seen souls who are very low in vibration,

But they just show up as souls.

They don't show up with these demonic faces and green and blue eyes and blood all over their face and none of that.

Do you know what I mean?

Oh,

100%.

And I think the key point there then is to take all of that and apply it to,

Back to the point,

Consume responsibly.

Do you know what I mean?

It's not just horror movies.

It's like,

You know,

What's the music you're listening to?

Yeah,

I think it's just a really,

Really important teaching that you're offering in this space.

Anything in vibration.

And this is something that I've also discussed on another podcast is even the music that we listen to,

Right?

Every musical instrument generates sound of a different vibration.

You listen to a sitar or a flute or a normal,

Like any peaceful instrument.

Organic,

Yeah.

Or metallic guitar or electronic guitar or a hard bass,

They will feel very different.

And it's all about frequencies.

And today,

We are nothing but a sum totality of the frequency that we consume.

Be it visually,

Be it through audio,

Be it food,

Be it people,

The vibrations of people that you're associating with,

The vibrations of content that you're watching on social media,

The vibrations of books that you're reading.

And I think more and more people are waking up to this fact.

Do you see humanity waking up?

We've discussed awareness is evolving.

Do you think humanity and consciousness is evolving and shifting at this time?

And yeah,

What do you see?

Yes and no.

For the simple reason,

Yes,

Humanity is waking up because we are getting a lot more aware,

A lot more conscious in terms of knowledge and information.

But also the biggest challenge for humanity right now is they don't know what to do with that information.

And that is quite overwhelming.

And the reason why I say that is because,

Like I said,

Right now the goal of all the souls on earth listening to this podcast who are existing right now,

Their goal,

Like their bigger purpose is to turn that awareness and wisdom into matter.

But on the matter level,

There's so much of dense energy,

Right?

Matter is dense.

Matter is not fluid.

Matter is ego.

Matter is fear.

Matter is identity,

Our personality,

Our wants,

Our desires,

Our ambitions,

Our greed,

Our attachments.

So for that awareness to seep into matter,

The matter needs to shatter first.

And right now,

Our human ego,

Our human identities,

Our human personalities,

Our perceptions,

Our judgments were solid.

In Kalyug,

They were solid.

To move into Satyug,

They have to be fluid.

And right now,

We are going through a very challenging time on a consciousness level.

It's because we have all the awareness and all the knowledge of the world.

But for that knowledge to flow into our day-to-day life,

It's getting blocked by so much of identity crisis and matter and ego.

And till the time that matter doesn't melt away,

Till the time the matter doesn't become fluid,

That knowledge,

That awareness is of no use.

And the key things for us,

Become conscious of what you consume,

Exercise gratitude,

Look after yourself.

Basically,

All the things that cheesily people say,

Raise your vibration.

We're talking about that practically here,

To raise that vibration,

To do that work,

To create the shift.

To raise that vibration,

Yes.

But I think before we all learn to raise our vibration,

Amrit,

It's also extremely important to learn how to conserve the vibrations,

How to protect what I call energy conservation.

Because you can raise your vibration,

But then if you don't know how to conserve,

It's like you can make a lot of money.

Oh my God,

I can so totally relate to this.

Yeah,

But you know,

Making money is not difficult.

You can make a lot of money,

But if you don't know how to use it wisely,

You can become bankrupt the next day.

Similarly,

You can sit and raise your vibration in two hours of meditation or going to a healer and,

You know,

Listening to Mantra Jaap.

Your vibrations can change instantly.

But how to channel that high vibration in your day-to-day life,

How to protect it,

How to conserve it,

Is what people are not really understanding.

People want to jump in frequencies,

But then the minute they jump in frequencies,

They also fall down because energy always flows from a higher level to a lower level.

So today you can meditate,

But then you can get equally drained out very fast.

Any advice for those that want to learn how to energy conserve then as they go,

Like conserve their shift?

Again,

Prioritize your life.

Stop giving unwanted people,

Unwanted situations,

Unwanted priorities,

Your energy.

What other people are doing on social media,

You know,

What your neighbor is doing,

What's happening in your children's life,

What's happening in your parents' life.

Be there for your family members,

But not at the cost of putting a pause on your life as a soul.

You know,

Value your energy because you don't know how many lifetimes you have worked and worked and worked and worked to be in today's reality and attain the vibration that you're living with.

It's come with a lot of pain and you need to honor that for yourself.

Dr.

T,

The most painful part of this podcast is that it must come to an end at some point.

And I am still feeling like we're just at the tip of the iceberg in many ways,

Even though we're so deep.

I want to thank you for being here today and gracing the shores of this podcast with your incredible presence.

I mean,

I can't wait to go back and listen back to just that moment where you described,

You know,

Your conversation with God.

I found it very difficult to move on into the podcast from that point,

Just the felt palpable sense of your bliss,

Your connection.

And also,

You know,

Because we are all connected.

That was incredible.

So I want to thank you for your time and energy here today,

Of course.

But honestly,

Thank you so much for who you are.

I mean,

Growing up the way you have in the country,

You have all the bits.

Hasn't been a smooth journey and a ride.

And I just want to honor and acknowledge,

You know,

The sister that you are and just,

Yeah,

See you and thank you for you doing you.

Thank you for having me.

It's been wonderful talking to you.

And I'm going to speak to you very soon again.